The Queen handled this situation so well. You cannot escape the consequences of one’s actions.

@greekre

5 күн бұрын

what a baby

T: “The decision to dissolve parliament is in the gift of the Prime Minister. It is entirely within my power do this if I see it fit”. Q: “You are correct: technically it is within your power to REQUEST this. But…”

She certainly nailed the voice better than anyone I’ve ever heard…I got so sick of her overbearing,droning preaching when she was Prime Minister and celebrated with a victory dance when they kicked her out…

@hoilst265

4 күн бұрын

Responsible for the vast majority of economic and political direness we're afflicted with today. People thing that Mark was worst thing she ever gave birth to - no, neoliberalism is the worst thing she ever gave birth too.

@lizbarakat2191

4 күн бұрын

@@hoilst265 You’re definitely preaching to the choir here… My grandfather always said that she begrudged him his old age pension and he decided to live as long as he could just to spite her…He was 90 when he died…

@AFS-ht7bg

3 күн бұрын

This didn't age well

@AFS-ht7bg

3 күн бұрын

​@@hoilst265blaming a conservative for liberals. That's a new one 😂

@lizbarakat2191

3 күн бұрын

@@AFS-ht7bg We were blaming a Conservative for conservatives actually…The term liberal is a bit different in the UK too… For example,it’s possible to have left wing views without being a woke idiot…

She was just clinging to power. The Queen was right

can barely recognize Gillian Anderson (re X Files)-she is marvelous!!!

@ej3016

21 күн бұрын

Preferred her in Bleakhouse - but that could be I wasn’t fond of Maggie T

I think Gillian Anderson nailed MT better than Meryl did

@throckwoddle

17 күн бұрын

I haven't watched Streep's portrayal, but even great actors act best when acting their type.

@LKre-vi5oq

16 күн бұрын

They were both brilliant.

@lestermatos2989

12 күн бұрын

Totally

@stephenclues2948

8 күн бұрын

Only if you think Mrs Thatcher was bigoted, self-serving and spoke funny.

@numtot2172

8 күн бұрын

@@stephenclues2948 That’s exactly who Thatcher was lol

My God how I loathed this woman, the Queen had the patience of a saint! 🙏❤

A great scene well acted by two fabulous actresses.

It was time to go for the PM. She was fighting to hold on to power.

@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc

19 күн бұрын

She and her friend Reagan destroyed our societies. We are still living under the economic nightmare their ideology has created.

two award winning performances...

The "wut" heard round the world

i am sorry to say it but she was a better Margaret Thatcher than Meryl Streep (and Meryl is one of my favorites)

Gillian Anderson was brilliant as Thatcher. Dr

Thanks a lot for uploading this scene

Her Late Majesty would have followed the "Lascelles Principles" in deciding a request from Her desperate Prime Minister to prorogue Parliament. Specifically, the Lascelles Principles are a constitutional convention in the United Kingdom beginning in 1950, under which the sovereign can refuse a request from the prime minister to dissolve Parliament if three conditions are met: if the existing Parliament is still "vital, viable, and capable of doing its job", if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and if the sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons". At the time John Major had held all the major Offices of State (Chancellor of the Exchequer & Foreign Secretary) and was the natural successor and the market in the House was still substantial to pass legislation. Although we'll never know the exact form of the conversation we can guess the Queen would have acted entirely constitutionally but, I think, with some small satisfaction in finally putting Thatcher in her place: out of Downing Street, and on the lecture circuit preaching politics to Republicans.

@jasonkoch3182

28 күн бұрын

So the Lascelles Principle was proposed but has never been enacted. If a monarch denied a sitting PM’s request to dissolve parliament and have an election, people would flip out. It would doom the monarchy. QEII knew this well. Also, it doesn’t seem like you understand John Major wasn’t chosen by the Queen. Major was elected leader of the Conservative Party by the members of the parliamentary party. And because the conservatives had a majority in the commons, and because he was the leader of that party, he was able to command the confidence of the house. Ergo, he was appointed prime minister. This is how the process works. And Major was far from the natural successor. He and Douglas Hurd both entered the leadership contest in the second ballot after Thatcher withdrew, the idea being they could deny Michael Hesseltine a majority, and then whichever of the two, Major or Hurd, did worse, they would withdraw to unify the Thatcher wing of the party and prevent Hesseltine’s rebels from winning.

@Kian2002

27 күн бұрын

@@jasonkoch3182 A good explanation of the Party Politics that went into Thatcher's downfall. I'd forgotten the machinations to keep Hesseltine out of Downing Street as PM; Douglas Hurd isn't exactly the most memorable of men and, at the time, Major was entirely untested as a candidate for Party Leader. So it was something of a surprise for everyone that he was elected despite being elevated from relative obscurity by Thatcher. With regard to the constitutional implications: I was aware of Queen Elizabeth II surrendering the Monarch's choice of Prime Minister, after Macmillan retired and the debacle over Alec Douglas Hume appointment upon the departing PM's advice, and instead, now, relies upon the choice of elected Party Leader as a recommendation for whom to Make Prime Minister - only the Sovereign can "make" PM. The "Lascelles Principles" are now established as part of the unwritten constitution but were never deemed necessary to be written into law as these extreme situations are rare and any future Government would want to retain some flexibility in deciding these matters?

@jasonkoch3182

27 күн бұрын

@@Kian2002 the Lascelles Principle was proposed. It was never enacted. No sitting prime minister in the modern era has ever been denied the right to have an election. A PM might be willing to follow the principle on his or her own, but if it was ever revealed that a PM had sought an election and been denied by the monarch, that would literally end the monarchy. Once a PM decides to call an election, there is an election. Getting the monarch’s permission is a formality.

@dizwell

17 күн бұрын

​@jasonkoch3182 Firstly, things don't have to be enacted in order to be part of constitutional convention. Indeed, it was the enacting of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in 2011 which definitively terminated the Lascelles Principles, as it completely abolished royal prerogative in the matter of Parliamentary dissolution. The repeal of that Act in 2022 is generally thought to have made them constitutional convention once more. Secondly, it is possible to imagine a Prime Minister so desperate to cling to power in the face of all reason that to _grant_ the request to dissolve would be an outrage to popular opinion -and, accordingly, doing so would not result in the end of the monarchy. Any monarch contemplating that course of action would inevitably consult extremely widely and would in that eventuality be sure of having very wide support from the general constitutional establishment.

@jasonkoch3182

9 күн бұрын

@@dizwell I’m aware. And the Lascelles Principal was never a constitutional principle. It was proposed by Alan Lascelles but never used. The fix term parliament act took the power to call an election out of the hands of the prime minister. Since it was repealed, it is now solely the prime minister’s responsibility and right to call an election, just as it was prior to the FTPA. Long story short, there is no evidence anywhere that QEII denied a prime minister the right to call an election, and certainly didn’t deny Thatcher.

I think some of the commenters here, but more importantly the makers of the Crown, should be aware that this didn't happen. Thatcher never requested or even hinted at a dissolution of Parliament to the Queen. It would've caused an enormous constitutional crisis. I do think if you're doing a historical drama with real people as characters then you shouldn't make rubbish up like this.

Maggie was always moving GB forward. Despite the feelings hurdles.

That hairdo! It looks like Attila the Hen is wearing a crown of steel wool!

Reading the comments below, I think people need to realize "The Crown" wasn't a documentary. 😁I loved this show but I sincerely doubt there was any conversation like this between the Queen and Thatcher. And Thatcher never asked for Parliament to be dissolved.

A person best suited for position of power and influence assumes that position reluctantly in my opinion. And also, people ussually play and experiment in the fields of their passions. Politics should be and sometimes are THE LAST RESORT for good leaders.

@claudiamanta1943

6 күн бұрын

No proper leader would get in the trough of politics.

I think that outro needs to be louder. 🤔 I'm not totally deafened by it.

Margret Tatcher forgot the cardinal rule of politics - that all political carrers end in failure.

Give her some water ffs

Now Rishi Sunak has asked the King to dissolve parliament. The conservatives are finished.

@swaingles

28 күн бұрын

An Indian in power? Give me a break. Sunak is the bright example that power does no longer reside either in the ministry or even Parliament; now, I'm sure that corporations have taken over like . . . well . . .you know what country has shown what they do when a president does not comply with corporations' requests.

@Gurovski

23 күн бұрын

Yes they might be finished, who cares, but who replaces them, the same as before.....Labour? The problem with the UK is that they are cowards, they are leeches, they are a nation of very unhealthy cowardly people who vote for who will get them more on a plate for doing nothing. I think the PM suggested bringing back a national service, this would of course help bring responsibility back to the individual, a bit of discipline, control to their live, morals. People of the UK need to vote for real change (which they keep talking about ironically). They need to vote outside the two main parties that have controlled the mess for so long. UK GET SOME BALLS 🙄

@maestroCanuck

21 күн бұрын

as they should be….and Labour should be next

@cyberherbalist

21 күн бұрын

I sympathize with the Conservatives more than with Labour, who I consider to be wrong in almost every aspect. But the Conservatives have made a crock of the power they were given. They squandered it. They deserve to be out of government.

@MsJubjubbird

18 күн бұрын

They will come back. It goes in cycles. Governments go stale after 10 years or so and they've been there for 14

Uh, that was a NO !

The arrogance of that evil woman. Basically she is saying I am the state.

Thatcher of course never made this trip to the Palace to persuade the Queen to dissolve parliament.

@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv

12 күн бұрын

Thank you! Sometimes, I have to scroll at least ten more comments down before finding the 'THIS FICTIONAL DRAMA BASED ON REAL EVENTS IS SHOWING THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" comment. If the show only showed what occurred in real life, it'd be a documentary or the news, Xero. Get a hold of yourself man/woman/other! And whatever you do, don't watch Jurrasic World.

@xeromoth9771

11 күн бұрын

@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv you realise that this being a drama based on real life events, it does include things that actually happened as well?.

@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv

11 күн бұрын

@@xeromoth9771 Well, yes, that's rather the point, hence "based on real events", which would include some things that *did* occur AND some things that did not. That's how telly works, Nigel!

@johnjames6620

11 күн бұрын

@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv I find it helpful for it to be pointed out that this never happened.

@WilliamSmith-mx6ze

8 күн бұрын

@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv If you're doing a drama based on real life you shouldn't introduce lies. This isn't some fictional Prime Minister and fictional Queen. This is supposed to be Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth, in November 1990. The whole thing is supposed to be faithful to reality, not just bits. You can't just introduce "some things that did not [occur]".

Thatcher was such a wretched woman. But Anderson did a fantastic job portraying her.

@simosino6763

20 күн бұрын

She was one of best pms we have ever had

@AndyBluebear-fi9om

20 күн бұрын

@@simosino6763 no, she wasn't. We are still suffering from the havoc she and Reagan gave us.

@claireangier3322

18 күн бұрын

@@AndyBluebear-fi9om I agree, dreadful woman. Ironically I'm watching this on election day.

@kyuubidemon95

15 күн бұрын

​@@AndyBluebear-fi9om what did she do though? I'm genuinely curious.

@AndyBluebear-fi9om

15 күн бұрын

@@kyuubidemon95 Quite a bit, and not exactly a discussion for the YT comments section.

LOL. If Gorvachov said that he was even more stupid than we thought.

Girl bye

There is no dignity in the wilderness

@SisterUnity

28 күн бұрын

(cut to Burning Man)

Thatcher was so corrupted by the one Ring at this point that her policies werent even that Conservative anymore. This is why Im increasingly convinced that the will to establish a moral society depends on how Conservative you are, how much you wish to preserve tradition, independence, and even law. The more you abandon it, the more subserviance you want for the state, the more you start viewing institutions as weapons, and the more you decide that the best litnuss test for loyalty is by determining how radical someone is rather than by how sensible that someone is.

@WilliamSmith-mx6ze

8 күн бұрын

The one ring? I didn't know Thatcher was in Lord of the Rings.

@PWNINSWAGMASTER

7 күн бұрын

@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze I say that because Thatcher’s political journey is very similar to Frodo’s in terms of gradual descension into madness and obsession with power.

@shadowshots9393

5 күн бұрын

I thought she was a Neo Libral not conservative

@Afroman29

5 күн бұрын

Thatcher: It burns us!!

@Afroman29

5 күн бұрын

@@shadowshots9393 Neo Liberalism is Conservatism.

grasping myopia, Margaret.

Thatcher did so much damage. England was horribly diminished by her and her government. It still hasn’t completely recovered. As bad as Trump and Australia’s Tony Abbott.

@jonjofarrell4495

Күн бұрын

Riiight !!

How accurate is this?

@tomwood555

28 күн бұрын

The Audience meetings between Queen and Prime minister are confidential and never recorded but Margaret Thatcher never asked anyone to save her political skin when she was facing being thrown out of her job as prime minister

@julianosvonskingrad7009

28 күн бұрын

Not at all. It is not a documentary. It is a television series. It is extremely private what the prime ministers and the queen discussed in their weekly meetings. So the autors had to make something up. For every single of those meetings. And the "We've come so far!" quote is actually from an interview Thatcher gave. She even started crying in fron of the cameras. So again: It is just a television series. Not a documentary. Never take anything as a fact in this series.

@poknberry5795

28 күн бұрын

It was never intended to be 100% accurate. It is still a drama. But it is based on real events. I think the show is a wonderful reflection of the country's history, in general.

@SardonicALLY

28 күн бұрын

No way to know. Nobody ever hears what is said in that room. Nobody.

@carlousmagus5387

28 күн бұрын

If she was desperate enough, it could have happened. And If I were Sovereign I would tell her No, and to Kick Rocks.

other shows glorify and whitewash Margaret Thatcher as a girl boss. This show dared to present the truth.

Gotta love the tears of Conservatives

Do you guys think Margaret Thatcher had girl power?

What 👁️👄👁️?

We must have her back.😁

LOL these comments are ridiculous.

Crocodile tears. Such a nasty woman. Congrats to Gillian: she has renewed my contempt for this poor excuse for a human being.

Margaret was desperate to stay in power, and the Queen was right, everyone was against Thatcher.

I don't like Gillian Anderson's exaggerated and over-the-top portrayal of Thatcher. It's an annoying grotesquery if anything.

@taherlokhandwala

3 күн бұрын

lol army of one

@Guardian__Angel

3 күн бұрын

@@taherlokhandwala Just because you and others like her performance, doesn't mean you're right.

two females fighting for power one entitled and one self made was never going to end well.

I do not believe Thatcher spoke like that in private, I do not think the Queen was that intelligent, and I do not think Thatcher would blubber before Her Majesty. This series is cheap ham.

I know I'm in the minority, and I usually love Gillian Anderson's work, but I just can't get behind her as Thatcher. She comes off as a caricature. Part of an SNL parody or something.

We must all atleast understand that the prime minister Margaret thatcher wished well and only wanted to do what will benefit the country and its people.

@annonymous9439

28 күн бұрын

Famously not.

@star-roving

28 күн бұрын

🤣

@SisterUnity

28 күн бұрын

.. to do what SHE believed was best for the country, which was rather often at odds with actual benefits for the country, which rather often ushered in substantial misery for the country, unless one was wealthy.

@arseface2k934

28 күн бұрын

lol best joke I've heard all week

@Thoralmir

28 күн бұрын

@@arseface2k934 Is it really so unbelievable to you?

i love margaret thacher

@s0515033

11 күн бұрын

I love her not being around anymore.

@CMOT101

6 күн бұрын

There's always one complete moron....

2:07 "Power without authority is nothing." Very true. All authority is a delusion. We can all rebel. The only being who has true power and authority is Almighty God, yet of all beings, he is the most reluctant to use it. Most of the time, He delegates it, hoping people respect such. Such is the course of history.

@Royalfamily @cúilraithin 🗽 @Madampresidentireland @Madamvicepresidentireland :🇮🇪