Mega thanks for everything, Che! 😊

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

No problem, I'm glad we finally got around to making this video that's been in the making for so long!

@lingking5882

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages it turned out so good!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@lingking5882 it sure did!

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

Жыл бұрын

I love your channel!

i absolutely love language isolates, it just gets my mind racing, great video

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Me too! I just wish we can reconstruct all of them now. And thank you, glad you enjoyed the video

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Out of the isolates, which would you say is your favorite?

@samaval9920

2 ай бұрын

Some Native Hawaiians consider themselves as targets of colonialism.

Lusitanian is AWESOME! I would also like to hear Iberian and Tartessian reconstructed

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Same! I'm glad you enjoyed the video

Just a small thing at the beginning. Hispania was not a Roman colony, it was a Roman province. The Thirteen Colonies were a British colony, but Hawaii is not an American colony but a State.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Well, it was eventually I guess. Either way, it was subjugated under Roman rule and it's population and languages were replaced by Romans.

@Jgab602

11 ай бұрын

​@@CheLanguagesThe Iberian population wasn't replaced by the Romans, it was influenced, yes, but not replaced.

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

@@Jgab602 who speaks Iberian, Tartessian, Celtiberian or Lusitanian today? They were ethnically cleansed and replaced

@raularmas7743

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages not really, the Iberian elite easily adopted roman ways and the Iberian population ensued. This was what the romans mostly did everywhere else (except for Gaul and some other places)

@Jgab602

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages Ethnicity is not just the language a people speak.

Don't forget to check out Ling King's channel! I hope you all enjoyed the video and I apologize for the delay!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Plopi96ILuvPigeons good, I hope you enjoyed the video regardless

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Plopi96ILuvPigeons That's great to hear, toda raba!

@AvrahamYairStern

Жыл бұрын

No problem, it was worth it

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@AvrahamYairStern Good to hear!

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

Жыл бұрын

I'm late to this video anyway lol

7:38 I had headphones on!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

LOL, I hope you're alright

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

2 ай бұрын

No answers. 😳😳😳 He is not 😱

This one is worth every second of watching. Super interesting!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Gazoontight! Which language was your favorite?

@gazoontight

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Tartessian!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@gazoontight Good choice!!!

Getting close to 5k subs now, nice! Keep it up

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We'll get there soon hopefully!

Awesome video! Really loving the step up in quality!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I aim to get there certainly, I'm glad you're noticing a difference!

It seems like the ancient Romans committed many acts of cultural and linguistic genocide 😢. Can anyone else confirm or deny that?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

They definitely did, not just in Hispania and Lusitania but in Gallia, Britannia, Illyria, Judea etc. the whole reason my people (Jews) ended up being exiled was because of the Romans, and the Celtic languages went extinct on the continent because of the Romans, not to mention all the other Italic peoples beside from the Latins such as the Oscans and Samnians.

@canko15

Жыл бұрын

Yup, languages like Illyrian, Dacian, Thracian, Rhaetian, Etruscan and so many more are gone because of Roman cultural genocide

@Rabid_Nationalist

Жыл бұрын

They sure did...

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Rabid_Nationalist Sadly

@dansugardude2655

Жыл бұрын

I wish they had not done that because so many beautiful languages have been lost forever with little to know trace of having ever existed 😔. And the crazy thing is, back then that behavior was considered acceptable because there were no standards to prevent such atrocities at that time

Shalom!!! Second video I watch and I’m hooked, appreciate the education

@CheLanguages

4 ай бұрын

Shalom! Thank you for your kind words, I hope you enjoy all my videos, if you're into this sort of stuff I have so much content you'd enjoy and another new video on its way!

I wish we knew more, these languages are so underrated

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Same, hopefully we'll uncover more texts in the near future!

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages I hope so

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

@@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123 me too

I was very fascinated when I research more about celts especially celtiberian, its very strange and very cool to know that there use to be celts in Iberia, France, Austria and even Anatolia. I wish we stall had this languages :/

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

Ling King was certainly right when he said that they're a shadow of their former selves. It would be so interesting to see how they would have developed!

@Idk-zw7hs

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages mhm it would be even cooler to compare them to modern day celts

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

@@Idk-zw7hs exactly, if they had lived and developed, to compare them would be cool

There are also two entire language *families* spoken on the northern slopes of the Caucasus, and therefore inside Europe. The most well known of these languages is the official language of Georgia. Also note that the Italic languages also show the P/Q alternation. Latin is a conservative Italic language, retaining Q for example in the numbers 4 and 5. Most Italic languages shifted to P, like Welsh, Breton, and Gallic. In proto-Italo-Celtic both P and Q were articulated with pursed lips. Because Rome was settled by many people from all over central Italy there are many doublets. For example Claudius and Plautus. My favourite is cocina "kitchen" and popina "fast-food outlet".

@CheLanguages

28 күн бұрын

Counting the Caucasus as European or Asian is still a point of tension, so I never definitely make z statement on that though I do view Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia etc. As Europe. I didn't know the Italic languages displayed a similar variation. Very interesting thank you. Also is Plautius Latin or Celtic, I didn't quite understand?

@jamescobban857

27 күн бұрын

@@CheLanguages Many Roman names have a P where we would expect a Q. Plautus was the *gens* , surname, of a popular author of comedies from the Roman Republic about 200 BCE. They were so popular that they represent the oldest surviving Latin literature. The Broadway musical "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" is based on several plays by Plautus. Another example is Pompey, a *gens* that means "five" in most Italic languages, which is also the meaning of the lost city of Pompeii, where the conservative Latin had *quinque* . Because Latin preserves the Proto-IndoEuropean it is concluded that the region of Latium was settled by some of the first speakers of Italic, and later populations coming from the upper Danube basin had, like the later Celtic migrants, shifted to the easier articulation P. Rome was from its earliest time a melting pot where multiple languages were spoken including Latin, Samnite, Umbrian, Etruscan, and even Phoenician.

@CheLanguages

27 күн бұрын

@@jamescobban857 oh wow that's a lotta info. Where could I read further about this?

What about Old Cantabrian as spoken by the Cantabrii tribes? As far as I know they where neither Celtic nor Basconian, although influenced (and surrounded) by both groups. They're forgotten far too often. I know there's not so much information about their language.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

They were Celtic, though there is a theory they were Para-Celtic (like the Lusitanian language is also proposed to be), meaning they developed alongside Celtic languages and absorbed many features despite being a non-Celtic Indo-European language beforehand. Most likely to be Celtic though, so I didn't include them on this list

@TayaRamadan-wy1fz

Жыл бұрын

​@@CheLanguages Will you do a video about those languages as well?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@TayaRamadan-wy1fz unlikely as I already made this one. As I said, it appears that it was just another Celtic language

As the recent genetic studies show, there is very little difference between the Basques, and the Celts (as well as with the Spaniards, if not counting the influences of the post-Roman migrations). That makes the dogma that the Basques are Paleo-Europeans questionable, but they, as well as other peoples mentioned in this video, could reach Europe in the same migration process with the Indo-Europeans. Today it is too early to have a final say about the subject though. The theory that some languages were vanishing during several centuries after the tribes were lost from the "official" history is very likely. Back then, for the records tribes existed, first of all, as political, not as ethnic subjects. After they were subordinated and integrated, there were little reasons to mention them. In Russia, it is more or less traceable, how assimilation of several non-Slavic tribes could take centuries, the most extreme case being the case of the Vepsians, who disappeared from the records around the 15th centuries, and one of the leading Russian scientists of the time, Karamzin, in the early 19th century already managed to list them as totally Russified - only to be rediscovered by another (and this time not ethnic Russian) scientist, Sjögren, in 1824.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, and the comparison with Russia is good. I believe they probably existed much long after the Romans claimed to have wiped them out because, as you say, records were political not ethnic then. As for the genetics, I usually like to stay away from ethnic maps and things because I'm mainly talking about languages. People tend to mix, especially in a small area, it's likely the people mixed and assimilated each other's cultural practices to an extent. They were there for thousands of years after all, it seems unlikely they would never mix.

@forgottenmusic1

Жыл бұрын

​@@CheLanguages I'd give one more example from Russia. After Muscovy annexed Novgorod in 1478, they went to inspect the fortresses. And, included to the report: in Ivangorod, no Russian can understand Russian (obviously, they were Votians).

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@forgottenmusic1 Ah, how interesting! I'm yet to talk about the Votians, but I am planning on it in my next Uralic video

@forgottenmusic1

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Oh, well... there are only no more than 4 known native speakers left, all of them far over 80. There are some young enthusiasts in St. Petersburg, with Votian roots or not, but as they have very limited contact with the real language, not only that they speak with terrible accent, but they also "translate" from Russian, following the Russian grammar and syntax. As I've heard that there are also a few Votic enthusiasts in Bauska, Latvia, I wonder what would turn out if these 2 groups would try to communicate...

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@forgottenmusic1 I'm aware of its dire situation, but not in such detail. Many Anglophones are guilty of the same thing, speaking other languages with English grammar! Hopefully Votian can be saved before it is lost

Damn the music’s great I wonder who recommended it to u

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Ah thank you, it was my amazing girlfriend who has an incredible music taste and ability. I'm so lucky to have her and very grateful that she helps me choose music for my videos that isn't terrible.

Thank you

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

No problem, I hope you enjoyed the video!

10:31 Concerning Iberian's relationship with Basque, if it turned out to be true, I would then also dare to say that the same family of languages that they belonged to was spoken in the west of the Iberian Peninsula before the arrival of the Indo-European populations. It is a hot take, but what do you think about it?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I think it's possible, the Basque people did not come from nowhere and it's kinda odd that they are only confined to that one area - in my opinion, it's highly likely they were spread across the rest of the continent before the arrival of the Indo-Europeans

Hierdie video is lekker en dit gee vir jou baie informasie van die taale in Iberia ek leer Catalan nou en die taal is mooilik en maklik te leer hoop u aan hou met u se afrikaans ek het gesien in u se kanaal se beskrywing in elk geval al die beste met u se toekomende videos

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Baie dankie! Ongelukkig het ek lanklaas enige Afrikaans bestudeer, en ek gebruik nou 'n vertaler om my te help, maar ek onthou baie van bekering en ek het omtrent 70% van jou kommentaar verstaan. Ek hoop jy het 'n wonderlike dag en weereens dankie vir jou kommentaar!

@JouMoeder13

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages selfde met u kry 'n lekker dag verder en dankie vir die videos op u se kanaal

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@JouMoeder13 Baie lekker!

Do you think another language family will come to replace the one now dominant in Europe?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That's a great question. My answer is, who knows? In it's current situation, no, because English, Spanish, Italian, French and German are spoken by millions upon millions and seem pretty firmly cemented in Europe. But I'm sure the Paleo-Europeans felt the same about their languages. That being said, we're living in a different age now where conquests aren't so common. Who knows though, thousands of years in the future it could all change

Do you think there is any language isolate which somehow emerged naturally without the physical geographic isolation of its speaker community from all other peoples?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

What exactly do you mean?

@LearnRunes

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Language isolates are usually thought to have emerged in one of two ways. Either, they are the only remaining language of an otherwise unknown family, or, they emerged in a population which lived in isolation from anyone who spoke another language (thus preventing linguistic mixture). But could an isolate emerge while surrounded by other groups which spoke languages which were part of a family?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@LearnRunes theoretically, maybe? But it's almost impossible to separate in complete isolation for thousands of years when surrounded by other languages. If conlangs count, then I guess it's more possible

@LearnRunes

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Conlangs can hardly be called natural but I suppose they could become naturalised as toki pona seems to have taken some steps towards doing.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@LearnRunes I agree, they are not natural. But what about Esperanto? As much as I don't like it, several generations of Esperanto native speakers exist and their language is evolving. Or Interslavic, my favorite conlang! In fact, I'm not sure whether to call it a conlang because it COULD BE completely natural and is intelligible by speakers of all Slavic languages

The Welsh word for "flood" is "llif", pronounced like "leave" but the "l" is voiceless.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I'm aware, it's just quite difficult to pronounce so I don't think Ling King could do it. Thank you for the clarification though!

@siveriatv

3 күн бұрын

[ɬɪv]?

@rogervanderveen7552

3 күн бұрын

@@siveriatv Yes, very good!

If I'm not mistaken, Iberia was where today is in Caucasia

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That's correct! Iberia today refers to Hispania, but historical Iberia referred to the Caucasus. Also Albania referred to the area that is roughly Azerbaijan and Dagestan in the same times, long before it meant Northern Epirus

One correction: vascones refers to the group of PEOPLE who spoke aquitanian/proto-basque language, not to the language itself. That "-ones" at the end of the word refers to "people" in Spanish, just like the role the "-ons" in "britons" has in English.

@CheLanguages

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the correction, all the terms confuzed me a bit

I'm Rh negative and related to the ancient Basque people. It's amazing that I'm related to the most ancient people of Europe.

@CheLanguages

2 ай бұрын

That's awesome! May Basque continue to thrive!

@robertolang9684

Күн бұрын

how come you the ancient european people basque are indo european in y dna , only language not

I wish it were possible to reconstruct Celtiberian

@CheLanguages

10 күн бұрын

It would be very cool indeed

Lusitanian rly does seam more like an italic language, it sort of reminds me of latin and I understood one word "porcem" like pig or well pork

@CheLanguages

10 ай бұрын

It could be a loanword, I'm not sure. I read it like an Italic language, it may sound different with a Celtic accent idk. It's still unknown sadly

Lusitanian really looks like a mixture of Italic and Celtic. But the way you pronounced it sounded like a Latin accent.

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

Well I did mention that we have no clue how it sounded like, I guess I was just going the more Latin root because that's what the languages in Iberia now are derived from. Plus I cannot do a Celtic accent at all! It was just a recreation, we have no way of knowing what the speakers sounded like at all

@robertolang9684

Күн бұрын

@@CheLanguages no no , latin come from greek there was a base comun language to that celtic tribes etruskian is close to greek was in ital;i before latin emerged

Unfortunately, they had little or no writing, except Irish Ogham.Some Roman reports said that their intellectuals, the Druids, told the Romans that they supported active memorization vs. passive writing, which made people mentally weak. It intellectuals are largely anti writing….

@CheLanguages

Ай бұрын

Ogham existed in Iberia?!

Tarshish seems to be a Paleo-Hebrew ("Canaanite" aargh) feminine imperfective gerund based on the root r-sh-sh a doublet of r-ts-ts and basically referring to tin ore crushing and smelting. Several Tyrian / Sidonian colonies seem to have borne this name echoed in their later names: Tartessus, Tharros, Thasos, Tarsus and mention of Tarshish in the Bible need not always be referring to the same one. It is also very plausible that more specific names were not used to deliberately hide the location of tin mining locations from potential competitors.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I came across that in my research but didn't want to get too off-topic. I didn't come across it in so much detail though! It's likely, and as I said, we don't know for sure if Tartessos (at least the modern historical site, could still be different to whatever the Greeks meant) is the same as Tarshish, and as you said, Tarshish could refer to a vague area and not one specific place. Thank you for your comment

Return of the king?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Return of the Ling King...

Regarding Basque being the only pre-Indo-European language in Europe, I’d point out that the Northwest Caucasian, Northeast Caucasian and South Caucasian (aka Kartvelian) languages have been characterized in this way as well.

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

Well yes, but it's arguable whether the Caucasus is European or not

@adnyc82

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages In my experience, Georgians in particular tend to see themselves as very much European, and they have a long-term aspiration of joining the EU. Armenia is a member of the Council of Europe as well. To be honest, I think the idea of the Caucasus not being European is rooted more in pro-Kremlin politics and the Russian-colonialist idea of “Eurasia” than it is in cultural or ethnic reality, even notwithstanding Middle Eastern influence.

@samaval9920

2 ай бұрын

@@adnyc82Abkhazians are related to Georgians. but they & South Ossetians fought independence wars vs. Goergia (empire). Turkic & other sorts of Indo Europeans, perhaps some of native Caucasus peoples seem to see selves as Caucasus peoples. The whole region is full of different peoples & languages-- 3 Caucasus, Turkic, Indo European, etc. Such diversity probably causes different views.

@robertolang9684

Күн бұрын

@@adnyc82 armenians georgians are related to iberians just back in time bronze age even Neolithic , today , not really other people admixed , like most of nations

My god the mic quality.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Bruh, mine or Ling King's? I'm using the same microphone as I usually would....

@Rabid_Nationalist

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages probably ling king's. Urs is fine

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Rabid_Nationalist תודה רבה

Hate to sound like im complaining but the recording quality in ling kings segment had horrible dynamics. Its terrible for headphone users

@CheLanguages

10 ай бұрын

I agree, but that was the best he could do sadly

7:00 No breton has been in france since at least the 5th century

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

What?

@fnansjy456

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages he said breton has been spoken in France since the 7th century that is not true it atleast goes back to the 5th century

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

@@fnansjy456 ahh I see, but the major migration was in the 7th Century, no?

@fnansjy456

11 ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages No In the late 5th century

@CheLanguages

11 ай бұрын

@@fnansjy456 ah OK. Well, that's Ling King's mistake not mine LOL. The fact still stands that the Bretons migrated and are insular Celtic

Lusitanian🇵🇹💪

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Amo Portugal 🇵🇹💪🏼🇮🇱

Aquitanians become the Occitan speakers.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Umm...no? Wrong area for a start

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

The Romans who replaced them became speakers of Romance languages such as Aragonese, Occitan, French etc.

@ElHeraldoHispano

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages As a matter of fact, Castilian and Gascon Occitan seem to have certain Basque and Aquitanian substrates. Therefore, he is in part right, but not in the sense that the Aquitanian language itself became Occitan, but that some Aquitanian speakers were assimilated into the Roman culture, thus adopting Latin; which would eventually become Gascon.

@robertolang9684

Күн бұрын

that is from where portugues come from and galician too landlock provence limusine= GALLOS

More recently archaeologists unearthed "The Hand of Irulegi which is undoubtedly the first document written in the Basque language and in a specifically Basque script". Researchers believe the Basque lived and spoke Vasconic (ancient Basque) in the heart of the Basque country since the first third of the first century AD, the Basques were not illiterate, but had a written language they used and understood, Basque has become the oldest spoken and written language of all those spoken on the Iberian peninsula.

@CheLanguages

Ай бұрын

I just read about this the other day! It's an amazing discovery for this decade, along with the discovery of Kalašma. We are starting to learn more about the Ancient languages of Europe!

@robertolang9684

Күн бұрын

BASQUES ARE A BULLISH , SHOW ME HOW MANY DNA TESTS THEY PUBLISH ON KZread ? ONE , TWO , THAT IS IT THEY DON'T WANNA PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE A FRAUD

Maybe, if enough evidence is finally found, there will be movements to actually learn and speak these languages.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Maybe so, more texts are waiting to be unearthed...

@toranshaw4029

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages indeed.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@toranshaw4029 hopefully so!

why no russian

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

LOL, maybe next time...

@seid3366

Жыл бұрын

russian wasn't spoken in the Iberian peninsula. duh.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@seid3366 he's joking, he does it in every video....

@seid3366

Жыл бұрын

​@@CheLanguages got it.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@seid3366 np

For the love of god turn the music down

@CheLanguages

Ай бұрын

Vivaldi says "no"

@nofosho3567

Ай бұрын

@@CheLanguages fair enough

@CheLanguages

Ай бұрын

@@nofosho3567 LOL

get rid of the music from 5 minutes onwards......its unlistenable.........

@CheLanguages

28 күн бұрын

Well my more recent videos don't have musique for this reason

@EddieDrayton

28 күн бұрын

Thnx for the reply........your material is great but glad you've ditched the music in more up to date videos.....absolutely no need for it........great site BTW@@CheLanguages