These "Origins" videos are the BEST part of MythVision. No one else has ever done this and to me, it's probably the first thing that someone should have been done.

That was amazing! I have been linking these things together, vaguely. So this vid has clarified a lot of stuff for me. Thanks heaps! I'm subscribing right now. :D

Thank you Derek. Another superb presentation. In the Jacob and Esau I see a fusion of the Acrisius and Proetus with an ancient human origins story which echoes with the Vedic stories of Brahma and Saraswati. (I make this case in passing in my "Was Jesus an Alien?" video on the Paul Wallis channel.) I the I love the work you are doing. I think it is very important.

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for this compliment my friend!

@PaulWallis

9 ай бұрын

@@MythVisionPodcast You are very welcome. Keep on!

The way all of this is displayed and broke down is really truly good👍Funny how when I was younger I wasnt near as much into and now as an adult is absolutely some of the coolest, most fascinating stuff ever

Derek, you and Neal are knocking it out of the ballparks with these videos. One using the other as a mysterious 2nd voice is awesome! Keep up the good work. Shine the light of truth and reason around the world!

Synchronicity is strong in this one....was just re-reading Genesis this week concerning Jacob and Esau and this presentation turns up with the comparison with older mythologies. Thank you for the info and the references to more books. Love it.

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

It isn't, though. These are common tropes in mythology all over the world. Indeed these tropes exist in other parts of the Bible and Greek myths as well as the mythology of many other ancient peoples. This is terribly researched and not in keeping with current academic thoughts on the matter.

@gramps5595

9 ай бұрын

@@Chris-io4iz I am assuming you are referring to my reference of "synchronicity" which I am merely applying to the fact that I was independantly researching the Jacob/Esau story when this vid appeared in my feed. Sorry if I am mistaken on that, but the thing is, the Christian culture I grew up with emphasised that everything recorded in the Old and New Testaments were unique events specific to the intent of God. Popular culture and sychreticism of the ancient world was denied in my (then) church's faith, hence my interested consideration of it. Certainly I agree tropes are mirrored across all cultures, as the Flood trope examples, but the claim that mimesis criticism lacks academic authority, especially in regard to Bible texts is not exactly compelling to this old atheist.

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

@gramps5595 the fact that the video not only disagrees with academic consensus, but does not follow modern academic approaches to studying comparative mythology should bother you if you are looking for anything close to the historical reality. This video is a litany of logical fallacies and unsupported premises. I'm not here to convert anyone to any particular religion, but I do think that it is important to be honest and forthright in your presentation of materials when creating an informative video. This video is anti- Biblical propaganda, not secular scholarship. It is just as unfair and unbalanced as the way that you describe your upbringing, except in the opposite direction. Hebrew Bible scholars do not claim that Genesis draws from Greek sources; indeed the scholarly consensus on the date of the authorship of Genesis strongly suggests that such influence is unlikely. Instead the consensus is that these stories draw from a common near-Eastern tradition that includes Caananite mythology (to which Genesis properly belongs, having been written in a Caananite dialect by Caananites), Sumerian and Babylonian mythology (which are as genetically related to Caananite mythology as Roman and Greek mythology are to each other), and some elements of Egyptian mythology. And if it seems like that is a meaningless distinction to make, since it still means that the Genesis narrative is drawn from other sources, consider the ethnic implications of saying that the Afroasiatic Book of Genesis is bit drawn from Afroasiatic sources, but from European ones. While I seriously doubt that the authors of this video are racist, but rather ignorant, the origins of this theory are absolutely racist and go back to a 19th Century idea that Near Eastern civilization was built on European ideas, when the fact is that European civilization was built on Afroasiatic ones.

@maximilianschwab9668

9 ай бұрын

There are no synchronicities here, these beings were (or are) all identical. Theoi and Elohim are the epithets in two languages about the same group of beings.

@gramps5595

9 ай бұрын

@@Chris-io4iz I agree with the influence of the "common near Eastern tradition" you mention. From my readings of the past 50 years that very tradition was subsumed by the Greeks, as well as the Israelites. Yet you emphasise that this series rigidly asserts the Jews copied from the Greeks. This view seems to reflect your claim that this particualr video is both "anti-Biblical" and "propaganda" aimed, presumably, at satisfying anti-theist agendas. The producers, contributers, and viewers of this channel are far more diverse than that. Re-reading the transcript I found the comparisons were said to "mirror", "reflect" or "copy" each other withoiut any claim to exclusive Israeli plagiarism. Of course in the New Testament there is are evident references to Greek cultural figures as expected in First Century Mediterranean history which are employed as foils to the superiority of Jesus to attract Hellenised Gentile converts.

I think Israel and Judaism was originally a national identity that became a religion over time. It didn't start out as a religion as we would think of religion today.

@JT-np1op

9 ай бұрын

gentiles were cave people, or greco-roman, which wasn't much better. the masses were clueless to religion, let alone were they literate and able to learn complex topics based on that illiteracy. 95% of the ancient world had to be told history, so anyone could mess with it essentially. Modern religions closest cousin is ancient Judaism. almost all of modern religions are built off the Judaic conceptual backbone, religions and nations alike. from the reason behind laws, to the entire basic concept as its known. so yes youre right, but it was because ignorance was so tremendous, not because it didn't exist for a specific group of people.

@Justin_Beaver564

9 ай бұрын

​@@JT-np1op How do we define religion? Shintoism isn't based on Judaic concepts but like Judaism it is a national identity and origin story.

@JT-np1op

9 ай бұрын

@@Justin_Beaver564 technically a religion is simply believing/worshipping of a deity/idol and/or having a formal doctrine with rules/commandments. But formal worship as is known in the westernized world came from an evolution of worship; Christianity and Islam all evolved from Judaism, literally they claim to be the continuation of what Judaism started, not a metaphor. There are of course other polytheistic religions that are as old or older than Judaism, but most of the polytheistic world doesn’t worship in those ancient ways anymore. Most polytheistic practices have worship that is more reformed like Judaic based religions. But that is cultural influence based, not a religion changing to be more like judaeo-Christian worship necessarily. There is a crossover in all of it truthfully, because the culture of Polytheism and Monotheism happened at the same time in the ancient world. Of course there are small national “religions” that exist too, outside of the monotheistic vs polytheistic narratives. Basically Im not disagreeing, but trying to point out that as Westerners we have a “blanket” term for religion. What I have come to learn, is that “religion” has so much western meaning behind it, that at this point it should really refer to Monotheism. Polytheism and other National Identities/Religious Beliefs are so nuanced and unique and live in there own unique identity relative to the geographical location and time period and language. Even if I just compare the terminology “religion” instead of “religious beliefs,” I sense a better understanding but still its not enough. Im not trying to say “religion” is superior or anything so other beliefs need a new word lol, just wanted to clarify. Honestly the word Religion, Faith, Belief/Believe I feel end up being traps in a sense. Maybe Im being pedantic, but I have been meditating on this topic. I think English and the need to translate everything to English influences this loss of nuanced understanding.

@Justin_Beaver564

9 ай бұрын

@@JT-np1op Yeah it depends on how we define the word religion. To me a religion could be any national narrative or identity. For instance I'd call North Korea's Juche a religion.

@simonruszczak5563

9 ай бұрын

Nope, the opposite , there was no Israel in the Middle East, "Israel" was a religion that came from Egypt, originally the worship of Isis (Venus), Horus (Sun), and Osiris (Saturn). When some Egyptian people migrated to Europe (the real "Exodus") because of a famine, their religion was adopted by the locals, and the names of the gods in the trinity religion later became Ishtar (Is), Mithra (Ra) and Elohim (El), and their nickname for the religion was "Israel" (Is + Ra + El). In England the religion was adopted by the Saxons (Ishtar worship, Venus) , Angles (Mithra, Sun) and Jutes (Elohim, Saturn). The name Isaac comes from the name Isis, and the word Saxon comes from its old spelling of Saac son. The Jutes became known as Judeans in the Bible.

I am not 100 percent sold on the mimesis of the TNKH but I can see plausibility in the later compilation of the Bible during the Maccabean period when creating a credible identity steeped in Hellenistic culture. In that context it would seem vital to have a beefy and rich myth to compete against the Greeks.

When you speak about Jacobs history, you said that Jacob returned to Palestine running from Laban. He went back to Canaan, Palestine is from Roman time.

The land was never called Palestine at that time, it was called Canaan.

I wish I could support you more, this channel is truly doing the "good works"

@dark_fire_ice

9 ай бұрын

@@ring-tone278 good old "well poisoning." Even the earlier church leaders couldn't stand up to scrutiny. On the bright side, you are walking in their footsteps, hopefully not off a cliff

This is amazing… I’m sooooo happy I found your channel.

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

You should keep looking for better sources. Channels like Religion for Breakfast are run by actual scholars. This is internet conspiracy theory nonsense and doesn't follow academic consensus on most of what they post.

excellent presentation and transmission of information. greatly appreciated. many thanks for your time to produce and share this video

Fantastic stuff. You've got a great voice for reading. Thanks for giving us the vision

Loved this ❤️ Until you brought ecperts on this, I didn’t know of such a deep connection between Old Testament and Greek culture. Thank you! (Already a proud patron... 😊)

Great job Derek! Thx for all your hard work. 💪🏾

Nice graphs, they remind me of the CouchTomato channel..

Wow 🤔 what a deep dive into Hidden Re-boots. These are not common stories. I'm familiar with the Bible and Greek Mythology 🤗 but my knowledge has been, obviously - "steered" around similar narratives - intentional. Very tricky 😮 very clever Archons 🤒🔨

@JT-np1op

9 ай бұрын

antisemitism is as old as Christianity itself, so don't blame yourself for being misguided so much!

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

​@@JT-np1op older

@morriahmcdonald4040

8 ай бұрын

​@@ring-tone278 Didnt Paul tell the thesselonians and Corinthians that they would see the "return" of christ ??? Those letters were to THEM, not people in 2,000 yrs😂

I finally understand why this channel is called Mythvision.

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

Theists do tend to be slow but good for you for finally understanding something. Although it seems likely you still don't .

@ThroneofDavid8

9 ай бұрын

@FoursWithin It's called myth vision because Derek believes myths

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

@@ThroneofDavid8 You sound confused . Derek left the myth religion of Christianity, and now studies the bigger picture of that myth.

@ThroneofDavid8

9 ай бұрын

@@FoursWithin Why is he studying Christianity so much?

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

@@ThroneofDavid8 Why not? Why does anyone study anything ? To NOT dive deep into understanding a theology that pushes hard to control behavior and thoughts can leave a person a slave to a cult.

Another brilliant job, my friend! I have to admit, I find myself getting a kick out of you and Gnostic Neal making appearances in each others documentaries... It's like those comic book crossovers, except back when comics were still something to get excited about. Cheers mate, thanks for all your work!

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

You should really look at some actual scholarship on this. This is poorly researched, and the sources used are not accurate. This channel is routinely not in keeping with academic studies of these subjects.

@PaulWallis

9 ай бұрын

@@Chris-io4iz It would be helpful if you could be specific. Peace, Paul

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

@PaulWallis the entire premise of the video is out of touch with scholarly consensus and is pushing a narrative that is deeply problematic. The Isrealites were a subgroup of Caananites. Genesis fits in with the larger Caananite mythology, which in turn fits in with the larger Semitic and even larger Afroasiatic mythological tradition that includes Babylonian and Egyptian mythology. At the point when Genesis was written, it isn't clear that the Isrealites even had direct contact with the Greeks. On the other hand, it is very clear that both the Isrealites and the Greeks had contact with the Phoenicians, who were another Caananite group, basically cousins to the Isrealites. Moreover, there is clear evidence and scholarly consensus around the fact that the Greeks borrowed myths and even deities (e.g. Aphrodite) from the Afroasiatic tradition via the Phoenicians. Claiming that Genesis was based on Greek myths is contentious and potentially anti-Semitic. While there is no doubt that later parts of the Bible are influenced by the Greek mythological and literary tradition (and before that parts that were influenced by the Indo-European Persian tradition), this is much too early for that connection. There is no application of Occam's Razor, the idea that correlation does not prove causation, or other modern scholarly standards here. Many of these supposed connections (i.e. the roll of twins in myths) are found all over the world. Even if a more specific connecting were proven (which this video fails to do), a more likely premise would be that both the Bible and the Greek myths drew from the same Phoenician myth, perhaps Shahar and Shalim, which also share some elements mentioned in the video. Beyond that, though, there is an underlying element here that seems to be claiming that ancient Semitic people couldn't be the origin of these stories and that they have to have come from European people. Homer likely does predate the redacted version of Genesis that we have today, but it is not likely to predate sources J and E, which are Caananite legends as told by two different Caananite authors. To claim that these inland Caananite legends were based on legends from the Greeks in the early Bronze Age is historically dishonest. The intention of the video seems to be an attack on the Bible in order to undermine the Abrahamic religions rather than to be a serious attempt to put the Bible in an honest, secular historical setting. If you are looking to criticize Genesis, there are plenty of honest ways to do so. If you are looking for places where the Bible is influenced by Greek mythology and thought, this is not the part to look at. Genesis clearly shares these stories with other Afroasiatic mythologies. This is as sloppy as saying the Romans copied their mythology from the Greeks, but because of the ethnic divide, it is perhaps more offensive.

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

Paul, it's clear that Chris hasn't read Bruce Louden or considered scholars outside of the typical consensus position. Far from racist ideas, I'm going with what I honestly think makes the most sense of the Genesis stories. I find clear Mesopotamian, Egyptian and near Eastern mythology in these stories, but none are as prevalent as the Greek theoxeny themes. I will not disparage this commenter because they clearly find my New Testament Greek mimesis material with MacDonald, Richard Miller, Robyn Faith Walsh, etc, and outside of the general concensus. Check out Bruce Louden and some of the minimalist Copenhagen schools scholars for some of my inspiration on this topic. The concensus fallacy gets thrown around on this one.

@Chris-io4iz

9 ай бұрын

@MythVisionPodcast you ignored most of what I said and latched into the part where I said it was not in keeping with consensus. The reality of academic scholarship is that consensus exists for a reason. I explained exactly why the consensus here exists. Bruce Louden is not a scholar of Near Eastern mythology but rather Greek mythology. It is precisely his bias that is at issue. Moreover, appealing to the consensus of scholars is not fallacious. Attacking the consensus is the role of scholars with new research in peer reviewed journals, not amateurs who do not even acknowledge what the consensus is. Your channel is actively spreading theories that are not unknown but rejected by the majority of scholars in the field. I'm not sure why you are assuming that it was your videos on the influence of Greek literature on the New Testament that convinced me of the fact; this is a widely accepted fact, although the extent to which it is true is still debated. Lastly, perhaps you don't think it is anti-Semitic to say that the Semitic people copied their mythology from Europeans when we have clear evidence that the exchange went the other way, but I think that is wilful on your part, and I'm very sure that many of the modern Semitic people would disagree with your assessment. I don't mean to suggest that *you* are anti-Semitic, but some of the assumptions at the core of this video certainly are.

MythVision is one of the best channels when it comes to religious studies.

Wish I could like this 1000 times

Is there substantial evidence to show that Judaism was not the first to tell these stories?

0:00: 📚 This video explores the character of Jacob in the Bible and his significance in representing the nation of Israel, drawing on mythological influences from Canaanite, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian civilizations. 6:10: 🔍 The video discusses the similarities between the stories of Chrysius and Proteus, and Jacob and Esau. 13:30: 👩‍👧‍👦 Hera brings a child to Zeus, who becomes the ruler of Argos. 19:02: 📚 The video discusses the similarities between the Bible's main message and Greek tales, particularly in relation to the dangers of power and the stories of Jacob and Hercules. 25:12: ! The video discusses the story of Autolicus and Sisyphus, and its influence on Greek mythology and biblical writings. 31:13: ! The video discusses the parallel between the biblical narrative of Dina and the Greek myth of Helen's abduction. 38:02: 📚 The video discusses the interconnectedness of the stories of Jacob and David in the Bible, and their similarities to Greek mythology. 43:59: 🔍 Odysseus's interactions with Nasikia and her people in the Odyssey mirror a recurring pattern seen in the Old Testament betrothal type scenes. 50:46: 🔎 The video discusses the similarities between the pursuits of Jacob and Jason by their respective father figures. Recap by Tammy AI

It's very interesting. We don't appreciate how storytelling was entertainment for thousands of years ( it still is, we just visualise it).

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. Stories stories stories...

Great work Derek

Amazing!

I most definitely appreciate the truth of these human invented fictions or myths that you have taken the time to articulate here very well, imho. Thank you.

Really wanna make it confusing, just add in the Greek myth of the Libyan King Danaus whose 50 daughters, "the Danides," were married to the 50 sons of King Aegyptus, the twin brother of King Danaus. They are the cognates (same figures) as Proteus and Acrisius. Aegyptus is Acrisius, and Proteus is Danaus. One danide daughter was named Hypermnestra who married Lyceus a son of Aegyptus/Acrisius. The story goes that Hypermnestra was one of the 50 daughters of Danaus (also known as Proteus). Danaus, fearing a prophecy that predicted his death at the hands of one of his sons-in-law, commanded his daughters to kill their husbands on their wedding night. They were married to the 50 sons of Danaus' brother, Aegyptus. However, Hypermnestra couldn't go through with the act and spared Lynceus. This act of disobedience and mercy led to the survival of Lynceus and Hypermnestra and their subsequent lineage. It's similar to the story of Acrisius who believed a prophesy that his son would kill him, only this time it's Danaus (the cognate of Proteus) who fears death by a family member and ends up getting chased away to another land. It's also similar to the story of the 50 daughters of the King who slept with Heracles. The moral of the story is that the Greeks couldn't keep their stories straight from one century to the next, and if you think Greek Mythology is going to be an 'easy A' type of course, you're in for a rude awakening.

This was excellent.

This is really interesting

Always a crazy story about how he was so excited to get with Rachel that he slept with her sister by mistake. You would think that in seven years even in the dark he would know how she was shaped.

@TheInterestedObserver

9 ай бұрын

Local tradition is different, Leah is older than Rachel who was a child bride, he had to wait until she was 11 to be able to consummate the marriage.Leah was 11/12 so he had her first and then the maids of both until Rachel was old enough to start her periods and begin childbirth.

@benjaminchartier6458

9 ай бұрын

I've always felt like the story of Jacob really was an allegory for all men when they get married. Men have an illusion of what their beloved is like, but then real life ends up disabusing them of what I deal that they have in their mind. This is also reflected in the way that women few men. Women have a whole program going on in their head about what marriage is going to be like in an always turns out different than they imagined. In this allegory, Rachel is the young hottie that you can't wait to get with, but Leah is the real woman, with the real baggage and the real problems

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

​@@ring-tone278 Religion is the history of friction among people of corrupt mind. The bible is religion in print.

What was your favorite part of this episode my friends?

@theperfectbastard451

9 ай бұрын

My favorite part is the way you gloss over Jacob's deception of Esau and Isaac...

@kariannecrysler640

9 ай бұрын

Honestly I’m loving the comparison graphs! You’re covering multiple learning styles of the same information which helps check your self & reaches more minds.

@RevN9

9 ай бұрын

The one on one comparison charts.!! This is awesome. I also love the imagery. Is the imagery AI-generated?

@DontBeCringe

9 ай бұрын

Dude are you confused with race? Or are you trying to represent every race in this video, you got Jacob/Esau as caucasians and have non caucasoids as their fathers, stop being so mind numbingly woke.

@Flum666

9 ай бұрын

Isreal or Jakob never looked old and haggard he was always young, so you're obviously porteying god or yhwh in the thumbnail

Love the comparison Parallel chart

Excellent video with so many accurate information! I am greek and I study a lot of ancient greek history, mythology and philosophy. There is a stong theory that all of the ancient world's wisdom and knowledge that was kept in Alexandrias library was stolen by christians and used them to make their scenarios of books and religion. That's why there are so many similaties between ancient greek myths (history) and judaism, christianity etc. You should also check Apollonios Tyaneas and the similarities with Jesus. This is also proven by the fact that the gospels appear centuries after the coming of Christ, and also there are no historical and archaelogical facts that Jerusalem actually even existed at the time...

Very enlightening! Way too coincidental to be ignored. (And we are gaining true gnosis😉)

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

I appreciate you!

Water is also an essential part of baptism.

Sir, Please make video about judah and joseph.Wait for that video. Please upload soon

The mom or moms must have thought that the baby was just kicking inside the womb, as unborn babies often do. But no, the twins were brawling in the rooms and trying to kick each other. But since it was completely dark in there, they sometimes missed.

Well put together video but much reaching. Anyone familiar with any of these stories know that they are completely different and totally unconnected. A good blend of summaries though.

Most of the illiad was not authored by Homer,. Rather he compiled what were verbal poems often told in pentameters. As most people could not read or write. The tribes would gather for events. Members of different families would be handed down the responsibility of memorizing from their fathers small sections of long poems. In this way all of the clan participated. Also, once it was demonstrated that a teller could repeat without error his/her section, it was permitted for people to add their own content to their section of the tail. Eventually villages would meet with other villages and compete. in some instances both additions would be judged worthy and each tribe would need to now remember the others additions. But in some instances they would not agree. and in some instances they would wrestle to determine which version would go forward. however, this did not settle the argument. the other tribe could return the following year with art often sculpture and that could trump the physical victory of the other tribe. this would most often result in the authors staying in the visited tribe for a time to co-author and make the two versions come together. Out of this grew proper theater and writing as we know it today. But, it is likely there are thousands of spoken narrative tales that have been lost for all time.

You gotta stop thinking all these Hebrew myths stem from Greece. You have to understand the historical time period and how relatively insignificant of a culture force greece was that far beyond their borders when compared to the far greater cultural contact with other Levantine peoples, Egypt and especially Babylonia and Persia

@labeilleautiste6318

Ай бұрын

They will Say bibles stories are from greeks mythologie just before telling they are from mesopotamia and After again saying its from egypt because of some similarities 🤣

Brilliant

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

Thank you

You guys are killing it!!

Excellent 😊

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much my friend!

You awesome , dude

what kind of content? @ 55:05 does he say mp4 content?

You dont know the 1/2 of it. But nice presentation in the video. Many in the Eastern Christians Orthodox Church show more evidence that the Old Testament is "Based on these findings, many researchers came to the conclusion that the Pentateuch is a much later work " Regarding the 1st 5 books of the Old Testament. Another books states a lot more "Plato or Moses? The theory of plagiarism"as stated by Theologian Giagazoglou & by Miltiadis Konstantinou A book by Russell E. Gmirkin states how most stories originate from Greece Historian states the Old Testament 1st 5 stories of the Pentateuch was written 270bc taken from the library of Alexandria. The Pentateuch was most likely secret during Plato's time. "Plato's Laws provided the biblical authors with a basic blueprint." "The Egyptian law, the commandments of Osiris, the "wisdom" of Moses, the oracle of the barbarians as a prophecy of "god" - how Troy conquered Greece." The Egyptian Book of the dead has many law which sound similar to the way God spoke in the 10 commandments to have similar commands. Early church father Clement of Alexandria, in his work "Stromateis", the Apostle Paul says: "Take also the Greek books, know the Sibyl, who declares one God and the future, and you will find our Lord Jesus Christ written more clearly." Early church father Saint Justin payed the price to speak up regarding the connection how Christianity is Hellenism. Sibyl is mostly hidden now and restricted which Apostle Paul implies to us that the Greeks had already announced with greater clarity the coming of Jesus Christ. Which A lot of evidence was destroyed with the Library of Alexandria but plenty of evidence remains which state it clearly. Just like how the OT stories are copies from the Greek, the same with Christianity is now to continue the tradition.

Thanks!

Amazing. And that happened like 10,000 years ago.

Excellent series. But none of this is new: Thomas Psine in AGE OF REASON (1794), Gilbert Vale in ATRONOMY: WORSHIP OF THE ANCIENTS, and Charles Francois Dupuis in ORIGIN OF ALL RELIGIOUS WORSHIP (Origine de tous les Cultes, 1794) with Constantin Volney devoloped the Christ-myth theory. You may have done so, but I follow you pretty closely and have yet to hear you or your guests discuss any of these.

@contentstarved991

9 ай бұрын

This vid's not about the Christ myth theory.

@tklyte

9 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video?

@paineite

9 ай бұрын

@@tklyte Do you even understand English?

@tklyte

9 ай бұрын

No I don't@@paineite

@ivanmejia2190

9 ай бұрын

I am sorry for my stupidity. But I think those stories are plagio from one to another one. From the Greeks to the Israelites. And from the Sumerians to the Greeks. Which summerians being the originals. So far. By antiquity.

Nation of Israel was "carried away" according to Holy Writ. David, while in Jerusalem, was promised a "new land" for the progeny of Israel. Listen to Prem Rawat!

From modern day science with knowing exactly when floods happened and DNA evidence we know that Noah happened sometime between 9500 to 7500 years ago which means the Canaanites are older than we realize.

@ivanmejia2190

9 ай бұрын

The Sumerians are older that cananites. With Gilgamesh being the oldest story ever written

@YadinZedek777

9 ай бұрын

@@ivanmejia2190Samaritans didn't exist. Archaeologists have unearthed the remains of more than 20 successive settlements in Jericho, the first of which dates back 11,000 years (to 9000 BCE), almost to the very beginning of the Holocene epoch of the Earth's history. Copious springs in and around the city have attracted human habitation for continuously for 11 thousands of years.

You have an error at 56:13 you say “as this video unravels” when I think you meant to say “unfolds”

So books with later authorship influenced books with earlier attestation? I've also always thought that the king James Bible was a big influence on Septuagint.

And, on top of this amazing presentation, I never knew beetroot was such a powerful aphrodisiac!😂

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

HAHA, Thank you!

@jimgillert20

9 ай бұрын

Beetroot is a natural blood flow and pressure lowering vegetable. But it takes long term use.

@jimgillert20

9 ай бұрын

Mandrakes are an hallucinogenic and an aphrodisiac. They were discarded from use since a small error in dosage is fatal.

Im a bit sceptical of these comparisons. Our brain loves to find patterns even when there is none. The wealth of narratives is so great that statistically you are bound to find similarites between many stories even if they are not related by traditions. At least half of the points here are like, eeeh, I have to squint pretty bad to get this to be ”the same”. A better explanation is that the human experience is pretty much the same everywhere, so similiar circumstances will occur over and over and over again.

With all respect, your content is amazing, the voice is cool but you dont need to use that amount of ai images, it's just too much, you can find many things in google images or use more videos 😊 Good luck 🍀💜

@pansepot1490

9 ай бұрын

I agree. All those gaudy and often creepy AI images not only are non necessary, they distract from the quality content.

whos voice was that?

@MythVisionPodcast

9 ай бұрын

Some really gangsta KZreadr I met a few times. He has this thing called Gnosis 😉

@GnosticInformant

9 ай бұрын

@@MythVisionPodcast

Something uncanny valley about the art in your videos, I'm guessing a lot of it is AI generated? I get a weird feeling looking at some of the hyper realistic yet heavily photoshopped look of some of them which distracts me sometimes. The absence of human touch in religious imagery is kinda funny to me tho. Big fan & thankful of your work don't get me wrong! I understand the usefulness of being able to generate unique visuals of things that we don't have photos of based on ancient texts, and being able to present that with the work you're doing which probably engages viewers more. Just my two cents & curious what others' takes are. Thanks again for your great work!

@FoursWithin

9 ай бұрын

I think it adds well to the cartoonish aspects of mythology. Just enough to not distract but remind of Mythical unrealness

It's really should be "The Origins of Greece's Myths from Biblical" because of the timeline. Ancient Levant and Ancient Greece were founded around the same time, Ancient Greece would have closer ties with the (Crete) Ionia/Minoa/Mycenae "Greece" (6000 - 1100 B.C.E.) and Etruscan. Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Assyria and Elam were probably biggest influences.

33:11 Where did Ulysses (Odysseus) pop in from? He wasn't the father of the Dioscuri.

I’m confused about something. Why are you referring to the land Jacob went back to as “Palestine”? This question is purely an academic and historic question and has no roots in ideology. The Romans didn’t exist back then to have called it Palestine. And the Areas your referencing isn’t part of the Philistia territories of my knowledge. So why wouldn’t you call it by the names of its timeframe? That’s like saying, the Maidu and Mojave “native Americans” lived in “California”, before the US took the territory over. 🤔

@Pootycat8359

9 ай бұрын

It's as accurate to say those people lived in "Palestine," as it is to say the ancient indigenous people of "the Continent we are in" :) as "Native Americans." (Where WAS Amerigo Vespucci a thousand years ago?) And did Alexander incorporate Afghanistan into his empire? Of course not! That was "Bactria" (I THINK. The Romans called it that. Maybe its inhabitants, or even the Macedonians, at that time, employed a different name). This controversy over the name, "Palestine," originates from a comment made by a conservative talk-show host, and has been parroted by conservatives, ever since. By the way, I'm NOT a "liberal"! I'm a libertarian, and agree with conservatives on a majority of issues.

@iamnotyou588

9 ай бұрын

@@Pootycat8359 but before Israel and then Palestine its was called Canaan. And i think he should just refers it the holly land because its holly to all three Abrahamic religion.

@AquarianAgeApostle

9 ай бұрын

Canaan was the name back then. There was no Palestine til the Romans created it from Judea

@Pootycat8359

9 ай бұрын

True. And there was no "America" until it was named after Amerigo Vespucci. But we often speak of "Pre-Columbian America." We also call Nippon "Japan," Roma, "Rome," Nurnberg, "Nuremberg," and Wien, "Vienna." These aren't "out of time," but current transliterations. Nonetheless, they aren't what the people who live there call them.

@kumarg3598

9 ай бұрын

​@@Pootycat8359just like how the dutch founded new york

Well-done. What about being completely right.

If you would only provide facts about how the biblical accounts rehashed greek mythology that would be a great video for you to post.

Greek myths are much later than the bible, so what's the point in the whole comparison?

@ivanmejia2190

9 ай бұрын

They are not saying that the Greeks copied the Bible. Rather that this stories are way older than both the Bible and the Greeks. Probably the Sumerians like Gilgamesh the oldest story ever found yet. And everyone copied that

"Sweet Home Haran!" 🎶

Homer and 'omri are obviously the same word. A king of Ephraim during Assyrian captivity, and was the Assyrian name for the captive Israelites. Listen to Prem Rawat!

The dating of greek influence intrigues me Persius dates to at least 450 bc and Proteus to Homer's time 1st millenia bce. So Acrisius must be old too.

How does one reconcile these "myths" when we have evidence of the biblical events? We have Jacob's well, we have the site in Saudi Arabia where Mt. Sinai stands, the alter of the golden calf is still there. Doves still fall in the valley to this day. We have the rock eroded that Moses struck, we have the red sea crossing site which was even marked with pillars on both sides where King Solomon gives glory to Yahweh for that victory. I'm interested because I'm not sure how these visible landmarks can be explained away. The New Testament was super easy to explain away. The tanahk, not so much.

@delamywa

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. At this point on KZread, it's about the views, unfortunately. So someone can simply put together what they think inspired the stories of the Bible for views and likes. To say the Religion of Isreal is a copy of Mesopotamian or Egyptian religion is a huge disservice to what truly is the Israelite Religion. The Religion of Israel by Yehezkel Kaufmann does a great job about expanding on this topic.

@fordprefect5304

9 ай бұрын

*evidence of the biblical events* None of those sites have any verifiable evidence to prove what apologists say they are. They have all been debunked. We do have verifiable archeological that shows the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in the hills of Canaan. They migrated to the plains after the bronze age collapse. Cities, peoples and countries mentioned in the bible story did not exist in the biblical timeline. The stories can be dated to the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, long after they were supposed to happen. i.e. [Genesis 11] 11:27 Now these are the descendants of Terah. Terah was the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran was the father of Lot. 11:28 Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his birth, in *Ur of the Chaldeans* *The Chaldeans do not take control of Babylon (Ur) until 626BCE* [Genesis 36] 31 These are the kings who reigned in the *land of Edom* , before any king reigned over the Israelites. 32 Bela son of Beor reigned in Edom, the name of his city being Dinhabah. 33 Bela died, and Jobab son of *Zerah of Bozrah* succeeded him as king. *The Edomite capital of Bozrah. When excavated Bozrah was discovered to have come into existence no earlier than the 8th century BC (the 700's BC)! Dated to 725BCE* Joshua smote some 400 cities, many did not exist before the 8th century. And there are many more.

@kentom8025

9 ай бұрын

So is Jesus' tomb

@JusticebyYHVHsoon

9 ай бұрын

So this is just a stab on the dark, but the Lacedaemon or Spartans in the Book of Maccabees sent a letter the the Priest King of Israel John Hyrcanus stated that the Spartans were Kindred of Israel, so is it possible part of the Greek nations were actually Israelites but when they were assimilated to Pagan religions and as the were passed on the Bible stories by mostly word of mouth the descendants of the tribes of Israel, since they had forgotten the scriptures they gave the tales the remembered with Greek names and characters that took the place of the stories of the Bible. Much easier to believe.

@ryan7541

9 ай бұрын

@JusticebyYHVHsoon I believe that is very possible. When reading the tanahk we see why Israel was dispersed. Hashem told them I was like a husband to you committed adultery with pagan gods. When these guys bring up points that there was a wreath in the temple and there are coins depicting YHWH with of deities in my mind it confirms exactly what tanahk said. Israel played the whore and was dispersed for it. However, there has always been a remnant that was faithful. When Israel took control of an area they were told to destroy the gods and not to learn their ways/rituals. Did Israel do that? No! They were human and failed. Personally I think that is one of the most beautiful things about tanahk. Tanahk shares the failings of this nation, Israel. No one else records their failings, people record their victories. Anyway, I just hope people aren't mislead into thinking these guys hold truth.

🫡thank you sir!!!

Judaism, as we recognise it today, began following the return to Jersalem and rebuilding of the Temple around 540 BC. Two hundred tears later in 333 BC, Alexander the Great conquers the Levant and the land will be part of the Greco-Roman world for the next 1,000 years. Even before Alexander, Greek culture dominated the eastern Mediterrenean from the 5th century BC onward. With all that in mind, it seems bizarre that we see Greek and Jewish culture as separate when if fact not seeing these parallels would be strange.

Joel Baden wrote a good book on King David.

Would that be the same king Acriceus who was grandfather to Perseus?

Greek Mythology sounds like an apocalyptic foretelling of Biblical events, where Biblical events are recorded as a practical matter with poetic and numerological aspects. All these myths seem like a telephone game influenced by time, culture and interpretations, with the occasional prophet or sage who gains traction changing the cultural paradigm, just to be killed or fall back into favorable beliefs, or wiped off the face of the earth.

The twin myththeme, sometimes, just presented as rival “brothers”, is almost universal in different cultures. We should see the Jacob and Esau myth paralleling the the Enki and Enlil myth, the Osiris and Seth, Kane and AB-EL, the Rome (actually RAM a inverted from MARS i.e ARS/ARIES also SRA i.e SARA) and Romulus myth that links up with Rama and his dark twin in Hindu religious myths,, the Jesus and John myth or the manny Jesus “twin” ideas Judas and Jesus, and Paul and Simon. These are not just myth as fanciful creations but are narratives created from the cosmic drama, specific night-sky images and their changes and interactions. Read my free online book, The Zodiac in our Genes: Is God Dead to gain insights into the complex celestial images which inspired various cultural expressions, one which we conveniently exhaled to religion, narratives across the globe. Humans stupendous and continuous believe in religious nonsense is preventing our evolution to higher consciousness!

At 16:20 you said Dinah was defiled by her brother Simeon, but the NRSV, KJV, and NIV all state that it was Shechem, son of Hamor the Hivite. Is there a different source that I’m unaware of that says it was her brother Simeon?

@anthonyjames9849

9 ай бұрын

Also, 2 Samuel states that Tamar was Absalom’s sister, but it was their brother Amnon who raped her.

I think this material is brilliant, I also think the butt hurt folks that wish to critique this harshly are what I might refer to as, basic hater denialists. The fact that, they basically stole practically everything and have a mandate to destroy that from whom they stole is just poetry.

“Koinkydink? I think not..” would be your 80s sitcom catch-phrase

I love this series so much - but please, watch out for the names! There are continuously errors between the letters "I" and "L" - there has already been the pronounciation "LAPETOS" for "IAPETOS" (which, of course, makes much more sense in comparison to "IAPHET/JAPHET" in another installment, and in this one it is "LOBATES" instead of "IOBATES"... Maybe I am nitpicky, but this hurts! (As a rule of thumb: There are no lowercases at the beginning of names ;-) ...)

@TheWuschi

9 ай бұрын

And, some moments later: "SNATTERBOYA" as pronounciation for "STHENEBOEA"?? 😅

Greeks never knew of Jewish myth. The first to write of Jews was Herodotus he only knew them as Chaldeans. With no mention of some great kingdom when he went through the Hellenic lands know as Israel today. The Aristotles student Aristophrastus wrote of some strange nation called Ioudaioi (jews). Greeks wrote on their culture and are far older than Jews. Pheonicians were a Greek colocy and had nothing to do with Semites. Great video

I have a question. Do you also try the reverse out? Assume Homer or whoever is writing about a story he has heard? Perhaps even from one of the “knowledge-givers”? I agree a lot of the stories are most likely from the same original source - but that could be the Bible, and the other writers either knowingly or unknowingly heard the stories and they put their own spin on that to write their own. It’s definitely possible isn’t it? If you believe thatcMoses wrote these books, as it states, then it couldn’t be the other way around - different timelines. And why do you believe the dates for when Homer wrote his story but not when Moses wrote his? The Dead Sea scrolls, at least, have been proven reliable manuscripts for these old books. There’s good evidence for both to be “true” options - I just wanted to propose to you do it in the reverse, as if Homer “copies” the Biblical stories - then that’s a true independent assessment. You are self confessed looking to prove, or at least provide doubt, that the Bible is Divinely inspired and Historically accurate, so you have an agenda. I agree with asking questions, researching, finding the origin of a thing - really I truly do. But that means to be open to finding out something that may not be what you are looking for. Like you say, things can be tweaked to fit your own narrative, and apologists can be ill informed on anything other then their chosen narrative. You mock them, so I’d expect that you be able to show you are being as impartial as you possibly can be in your assessments, to be that brave? Otherwise it’s just hypocritical. I actually embrace hearing other people’s narratives, I love to learn about things I wouldn’t otherwise know. I’m really enjoying listening to you, even though I don’t agree with everything I’m still learning, and I’m double checking my questions in the scriptures, making sure I’ve read them right, remember them correctly. I’m even going to do my research paper on “origins” this year - of everything, history/myths, symbols, holidays, sayings, rituals/practices, etc. (theology student)

So it looks like either these Bible stories are a fictional re-write of Greek stories...or a fictional re-write of earlier Bible stories.

I just sneezed out my drink at "co-inki-dink" 😂

Is thay Aaron from Gnostic Informant?

Something else I realized. As well as get these pictorial faces and images from AI. You can also tell AI to compare stories in the biblical context, their characters, and search volumes of Greek mythos for stories that seemingly match those characters and stories in the biblical context. You'll already have those computers lying, cheating, and stealing for you. Wonder how long it'll take for you'll have the prime directives removed where they start murdering for you? After all, their only going to be as good as those who build and program them. I guess they'll ultimately come for humans because you'll covet to.

Mythvision always aims to tie biblical accounts into Ancient Greek accounts in a singular direction but sometimes I wonder which way this “copying” is going. We know the Greeks hellenised various tales from other lands into their Mythology. The Greek accounts might be better documented but it doesn’t mean these stories weren’t taken from the early Israelites.

"Two nations are in your room" Damn no wonder Issac could never concieve, his sperm got lost in route. "Hey, Fred. Have you seen that egg?" "Egg? I been lookin for the bathroom for three hours, I saw Joe crashed out a couple hours ago in a corner"

I always enjoyed Greek mythology and felt like it deals with primordial themes of what it means to be human. The bible on the other hand always seemed so mundane and boring. Strange to have so much similarity between the two revealed.

I agree with most of the Parallels are true. They're good ones and probably connected. But the women at the well give more likely to be a multi cultural troupe. As it is a place that women would gather regardless of any cultural overlap. It's where you get water. A daily need that was usually the job of the young ladies in the Area. Its like starting a modern love story on tender or a bar. Or at the disco for the 70s.

While I find it impossible to think that there is no cultural exchange between the people of ancient Palestine and ancient Greece, this is a very weak argument that ignores Occam's Razor and the idea that correlation does not imply causation. That is, this isn't academic by any standard. There are a few factors at play here: 1. The dates for the origins of both Greek and Isrealite mythology have not been firmly established. That means even if the connection could be confirmed, it is impossible to know who borrowed from whom. 2. Direct contact between these two cultures cannot be established until well after the estimated dates of these texts by scholars who suggest relatively late dates for the texts. 3. These story elements are found throughout other mythologies of the eastern Mediterranean and its neighbors. That means that it is entirely possible that both cultures borrowed these elements from one or more other cultures and not from each other. More than anything, this video ignores what we know from archeological, linguistic, and genetic evidence about who the Isrealites are. They are a confederacy of Caananite tribes who spoke a dialect of the Caananite language and told a version of Caananite myths. The Phoenicians, from whom the Greeks borrowed a great many things, including some of their most famous stories and gods (e.g. Aphrodite), are also Caananites. If the connection between these stories is more than coincidence, it seems to me that it is more likely that they both borrowed them from the same Phoenician myths. It is also entirely plausible that the connections are entirely coincidental. Stories of twins fighting with each other are found all over the world. Indeed, these examples are not even the only examples from the Bible or from Greek myth. Stories of sexual assault and its revenge are also found all over the world, and again, these are not the only accounts of such events in the Bible or in Greek mythology. I think that trying to understand the connections between ancient cultures, including their religious beliefs and stories, is valuable, but one must be academically honest when doing so. This channel has once again failed to meet this standard.

While I agree with the premise that stories of the supposed biblical Era often share similarities, I think you're really reaching to identify most of these similarities if you think the stories were copies. The biggest symbolic story aspects of the Era are found in seasons and numbers. These similarities are largely missing in the stories you claim are of a source.

For every consistency between these stories, there are 20 inconsistencies. The Bible is not based on Greek mythology; rather Greek mythology is a bastardization of the Bible and this is easy to understand when youre aware of the Israelite origins of many Greek city states. Even Heracles is etymologically linked back to “The Merchants” in Hebrew, and he is a personification of the Phoenician sea merchants infused with aspects of Samson.

Jacob was around long before the Greeks and their mythology.

@MrC-55

9 ай бұрын

Maybe not when it was written. The OT gods have parallels in Greek and Egyptian religions. The NT has literary structural familiar to Greek narrative.

@henryschmit3340

9 ай бұрын

@@MrC-55 That doesn't mean that the Biblical narrative itself has it's origin in Egyptian or Greek religion, culture etc. Something being in the Bible (Egypt, Pharaohs, Greece etc) is not evidence that it is the origin of the Bible. Nor does the Bible having familiar literary structures point to the origin of its narrative, e.g., there is nothing in Greek mythology that fits the Biblical narrative as a whole. Not even close.

@MrC-55

9 ай бұрын

@@henryschmit3340 Check out Dennis MacDonald’s work, videos found here. There is other scholarship including the Greek philosopher’s imprint on the OT. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Dionysian, Mitra and other religions in the OT and NT.

Should make a person wonder why Jacob would feel the need to resort to cunning and being sneaky to gain his riches. Is that the kind of behavior we expect from someone who was righteous in God's eyes? Also, what does that say about God choosing a trickster on which to build s nation on?

@ivanmejia2190

9 ай бұрын

Totally agree. 🤣🤣🤣

Great presentation, but dam the AI hands kept distracting me.

Hence, the reason for all the rules in the legal sections of the Old Testament. There was so much deceit, manipulation, conniving, and breaking of one’s own word that Moses decided to make Laws to prevent the actions of unjust people. Just a thought. I understand that laws are also copycat of other codes of conduct predating Moses. But it makes a lot of sense for the laws to come about

The twins Esau and Isaac also have resonance with Rome and Romulus myth.

If you are trying to be accurate, why do you refer to the land, at that time, as palestine? Was it not canaan?

Funny the word for well literally looks like Bar🤔 so Isaac met Rebecca in Nahor🤔 at the בְּאֵר