Radio navigation was almost essential to assure they could find Howland. Amelia had asked Itasca to transmit a beacon on 7500 kHz so she could use the Electra's DF loop to home in. Unfortunately she did not understand that she would not get a null on the DF loop at 7500; the loop was designed for DF below 1500 kHz. She actually tested this with HF signals at Lae. The test failed, but she took off anyway. To compound problems, the wire receiving antenna on the belly of the airplane (which you can see at 11:02 in this video) was ripped off during the high-weight takeoff from Lae. The transmit antenna on the top of the Electra was working fine. This is why the Itasca could hear her, but she could not hear them. When she switched the receiver to the DF loop, she was able to copy the 7500 signal even though the loop did not give a null. Unfortunately the Itasca did not have voice capability on 7500. Had she left the receiver antenna switch in the Loop position when she changed back to the 3105 voice frequency, she might have been able to establish 2-way voice communication, but she likely did not realize the problem with the wire antenna. There was some talk about using 333 kHz as the Itasca beacon frequency, which would have worked, but Amelia knew nothing of this, and Itasca could not tell her since there was no 2-way communication. Had everyone planned to use 333 rather than 7500, even without the wire receiving antenna, Amelia would likely have landed safely at Howland.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

Tim, that's all good information. you seem to know your stuff about radio of that day. I can't figure out why Noonan never seemed to climb into the co pilot seat and work the radio? After he navigated them to Howland or where Howland , to him, should have been, he should have taken over the radio. She had enough to do flying the plane and looking for Howland. To put on her trying different things with the radio after flying 18 straight hours, is absurd. As I understand neither knew much about radio communication so it don't matter which one of them was trying different radio settings. It just seems to me Noonan would have been more free to work the radio but never did. Had he just concentrated on talking to that ship leaving her to fly the plane may have paid off.

@timothystockman7533

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomtransport A lot of my thoughts about this come from the fact that I am a radio engineer, and back in the 1980s I became a private pilot. Back then, using low frequency beacons for navigation was common. I have used LF beacons to find many airports, it's really not that hard. As to your concerns with Noonan, I would assume he was in the right seat doing the radio navigation. I'm sure they were splitting up the workload in an appropriate manner. So why did they fail? It seems to me that, to Amelia (and maybe even to Fred), the radio equipment was a "black box". They obviously did not understand certain key parameters. The FAA always says that all aviation accidents are the result of a chain of events, and breaking that chain will prevent the accident. So what are the events which led to this accident? 1. Not understanding the capabilities of the DF loop. Trying to home in on a 7500 beacon was doomed to failure. 2. Ignoring the failed test of the DF beacon when trying to get a null with Lae's HF transmitter. They took off for Howland anyway. 3. The overweight takeoff from Lae. This likely caused the shock absorbers in the landing gear struts to compress past their normal limits, which allowed the receiving antenna on the underside of the airplane to contact the grass runway and be ripped off. 4. Failure to test their backup plan with the Ontario, which stationed at the mid-point of their flight. Although it is not known for sure, they might have tested their primary plan, which was to use the DF loop to home in on a radio beacon. They would have gotten a null since the Ontario's beacon was on 400 kc. The backup was to establish two-way voice communications to make further plans. They did not establish two-way voice communications with Ontario. They had plenty of fuel to divert at this point, but they flew on toward Howland anyway. 5. After successfully receiving Itasca using the DF loop on 7500, they switched back to the non-working receiving antenna. They could have already determined that they needed to stay on the loop if they'd troubleshot this problem back when they were trying to make contact with Ontario, so they really had two chances to discover this solution to their communications problem.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothystockman7533 Hey Tim, my son is a pilot too Cesena's 2 and 4 seaters. Got his license about the same time as yourself. I think when Amelia's radio operator quit that was the time for her to become more radio savvy. She did not. I don't know what you mean by---"I'm sure they were splitting up the workload in an appropriate manner".---- Fred did not know how to fly a plane. I doubt he flew any of those 18 or more hours they were in the air. She had to be exhausted and we never hear Fred on the radio in any of the reports by anybody. I would think if he was helping with the radio the Quote---"We must be on you but we cannot see you" would not be from her but him if he was helping with the radio chores. Just my 2 cents.

@timothystockman7533

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomtransport Noonan had a "limited commercial pilot's license", so in fact, he did know how to fly. In Amelia's Electra, the control head for the radio receiver was mid-right on the dash. A far cry from what we're used to, it had an analog tuning dial with a band switch, much more like the old-school shortwave receiver it was. The loop coupler also had a tuning dial and a band switch. And then you'd have to manually rotate the loop in search of a null. I'm guessing all of this would be a lot to do while flying the airplane, which is why I'm guessing Noonan was operating the receiver. The transmitter was much easier to operate. It had a selector switch which selected one of 3 pre-tuned frequencies: 500, 3105, or 6210 kc. That single selector control changed crystals and tank networks. The other control was the PTT button on the mic which started the dynamotor which generated the 1050v plate supply. Since transmitter operation was comparatively simple, I think Amelia could have done that easily while flying. My $0.02.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothystockman7533 I Googled your information and that's true, I never knew he could fly. The idea of him not knowing how to fly would prove she flew the plane around the world at equator and that was the stunt/goal. If she fly's with someone who can also fly what does that prove? Two piloted a plane around the world not just a woman. I hope you see/get my point. But lets put that aside BECAUSE he was not supposed to touch the actual flying of the plane as the "STUNT WAS" "THE FIRST Woman" "To Fly a plane around the world at the equator"! He was never to touch the controls of that plane and I don't think he did. Now once LOST and can't find the Island, sure, if Fred knows how to fly he helps at that point. Stunt is over now lives are at stake!! BUT he was never supposed to fly that plane "DURING" the stunt you are inferring that he did? .BTW, I want you to know if I had the money I'd set up a search group, would you come along as radio person? Do you have an idea where the plane is, I do but purely a educated guess based on what we know..

In the 1980's 2 pilots were taking a pair of Cessna 172's to Hawaii from California (they had extra fuel tanks installed). One of the planes developed engine trouble, forcing the pilot to ditch. She did get out of the plane and into a survival raft, but the other plane could not stay with her long before he had to continue on to have the fuel to reach Hawaii safely. It was 3 days before she was found by a search plane founder her. She was doing okay but was nearly out of food and water. However the rescue plane was able to spot an American cargo ship who he contacted by radio. However, despite clear conditions the crew of the cargo ship was unable to find the downed pilot, even though they were told where to look. Finally the rescue pilot saw the cargo ship turn toward the stranded pilot and began to slow down. The rescue pilot assumed the crew of the cargo ship had spotted her. The ship reported the no, they had not. The recue pilot watched as the crew lowered ladders down the side of the ship and the stranded pilot began to climb up onto the ship. The cargo ship told the coast guard plane they were doing no such thing. As the pilot spoke to the crew of the cargo ship things were cleared up. The Cargo ship was Soviet, not American. The Coast Guard plane was not where he thought he was, and the cargo ship he'd been talking to was 200 miles away. The mean time the Soviet cargo ship crew had seen the circling Coast Guard plane and worked out the were trying to perform a rescue. They tried contacting plane but were not able to, but as they had spotted the pilot and saw no other ships around they decided to move in and pick her up. Just goes to show how vast the open ocean is. Everything worked out in the end, and the American pilot enjoyed the true Russian hospitality and Comradeship.

Aviation was rough in those days. My father was a member of a B-26 crew in WW II. They had to fly down from the US to South America and then across the Atlantic to Africa, with a vital stop at Ascension Island that was as tough to find as Howland Island. Those that missed that tiny island were never seen again. He was one of the lucky ones. Earhart was an amazing person and her luck just ran out.

@norml.hugh-mann

Жыл бұрын

They are certain they actually recovered her body post coconut crub scavenging on one if the islands and it was misidentified for decades... The military then had radio beacon navigation so it was not like they were using sextant or navigating by the stars...but true that distances over water are unforgiving even today as the recent passenger Jets disappeared near Malaysia suspected of crashing into Southern Ocean when fuel ran out Hitting the ocean is a desth sentence most of the time for shipwrecks and especially air crashes that often leave survival rafts damaged or traumatic injury makes swimming out wreckage impossible..bit even under ideal circumstances being found before tragedy just isn't in the cards for most victims and we never know just how hard their struggle was....if they died on impact or tread water for days....we can make certain assumptions from water tempature....like we know someone crashing into the southern ocean needs to be removed from the cold water within half an hour or less or they die...then locating something the size of a person in the ocean from an altitude safe to fly is already a challenge.. Often the time of terminal hypothermia is considerably less than it would take to even each the cash site...not including the time it would take to locate the victims even if they had an exact GPS location of the crash wind currents can scatter debris miles apart for each hour they are looking..

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

@@norml.hugh-mann no gps satellites in those days. duh.

@1234cheerful

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv "even if they had an exact GPS location" -- recognition that they did not.

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

@@1234cheerful That is what I said. GPS satellites did not exist back then or a gps. duh. Don't you understand english?

@1234cheerful

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv It's "English," duh. I was referring to the lack of location/coordinates data, but you are right, give yourself a big hug.

“The one thing everyone forgets” is that Earhart was a pioneer for women? That’s your hot take? This is egregious clickbait.

@epstein_isnt_dead7726

Жыл бұрын

I got something different from this video. Hearing the story today I had to keep reminding myself that this is not a recent event. Because it sounds so much like that something that probably happened last year. A woman with no discernable talent or background gets handed a bunch of funding to get a customized plane built with cheat codes from the factory to make it outperform all other planes of the time. Then the government sends a full team to make her a safe area to land and provide more fuel and guide her to the landing. And finally, after this massive undertaking with countless man-hours behind the scenes to make this entire thing not only possible, but so foolproof that a talentless hack like her can do it, just for the sole purpose of being able to say "women can do anything men can!", she crashes the plane and ruins it all. And then the government covers up her rookie blunder that brought the plane down by disposing of the evidence and saying it can't be found because they don't want to admit the woman somehow bungled a foolproof plan. That's what I got from the video. I didn't realize how much of a hand the government and outside forces had to do with this. I thought it was just some chick did all of this herself

@t.j.payeur5331

Жыл бұрын

@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 well said...

@TheAllMightyGodofCod

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting that. I will pause the video after just 45 seconds and go and watch another one. Thanks for the time you saved me!

@Svensk7119

Жыл бұрын

I agree, though I appreciated the debunking of the photograph. Hadn't heard that.

@richardthompson9836

Жыл бұрын

What did the animation of a US Navy "Sparrow Hawk", with "trapeze" hook for landing on airships like The USS Macon, have anything to do with Earhart? A little more research would revile pictures of her first plane. Too many pilots and aviation buffs out here. I did enjoy the narrative though.

Is it so strange that they don't find a trace of a tiny aircraft in the Pacific?? In our satellite age, we don't even know what happened to Malaysia 337...

@3Greens

3 жыл бұрын

Very true. The size of the search area is so big its hard to imagine.

@dizzydolly722

2 жыл бұрын

MH370.

@neatstuff8200

2 жыл бұрын

We know. Better to let the public believe we are stumped.

@EneTheGene

2 жыл бұрын

@@neatstuff8200?

@EvanBear

2 жыл бұрын

They're working on Malaysia Airlines 370, an aircraft engineer came up with a new way of tracking aircraft and figured out the location where that flight should be. We just have to go check there now, hopefully someone is willing to finance that.

My grandfather's best friend was her mechanic. I knew him for years as "Ed" with no idea who he was. Grandpa got me mechanic lessons from him, and I still had no idea who he was. I am not sure I found out until he had died.

@edgarhomeroayalacostales9400

Жыл бұрын

.Good Morning Mrs. for your very important, rarely, information of famoust pilot woman Amelia Haerhard, Edgar H. Ayala Quito Ecuador-Sud America

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

what year did he die?

@sherryswisher8911

5 ай бұрын

Navigation was not easy then but her skills were not as good as others. Point is Lindbergh landed in Paris. When she flew to Europe she landed in Ireland and had to ask where she was. Some folks were better at it and in her case she paid the price.

I flew Earhart's route in MS Flight Simulator (in a PBY Catalina). I had the advantage of GPS and still Howland was hard to see from the air. I can imagine how hard it was to find using the equipment she had on hand!

@bingosunnoon9341

Жыл бұрын

She had the sun in her eyes.

@buxxbannerspov30

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I sailed all around that area of the Pacific ...Howland can be easily missed at sea, and would be VERY difficult to find using the the nav equipment she had, and .. the questionable navigator she used ... Earhart was not a great aviator, crashed on her first attempt at take off on the event ....if she was a mere fraction of a degree off while approaching Howland, they missed it ...when they determined they had flown too far, they would have flown concentric circles, searching of Howland, until they ran out of gas and crashed ...end of story

@bingosunnoon9341

Жыл бұрын

@@buxxbannerspov30 Her navigator was the best in the business. Hitting the equator/date line at sunrise just as the upper limb broke the horizon is all the fix I need. It has the mark of a genius. Some of these commenters talk about using a sextant. I used one once but in the classroom and another time on dry land. Give me DR and a navigator who plots in real time using a compass and clock anytime. Had to demonstrate sextant for rating but that's it. Winds aloft will get you though. Ever fly into the Gilberts? Don't. its really bad.

@karlD1963

Жыл бұрын

This was astonishingly brave of you. Were you solo?

@karlD1963

Жыл бұрын

@j k Factor in he suffers from MS too and I'm speechless at his achievement.

Love this historical stuff. Keep it up! The famous crashes have been covered over and over, but this and your others going back in time are so interesting. Thank you!

I've just discovered your excellent channel and am now binge-watching all your videos. I've also subscribed. Please keep up the great work! I love your style of delivery and excellent, interesting content.

Thanks for continually putting these out! Always super interesting and something to learn

@BIGBADWOOD

2 жыл бұрын

Amelia Earhart was famous but not a great Pilot She did not have enough fuel to fly far and crashed in she crashed in the ocean ! AMELIA EARHART Mystery solved -- finally ! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmuYyZusodHWoKQ.html

The story of Amelia is really about the mystery. We love a mystery. Other figures of her day got old like most people do. She left us guessing, and something to talk about.

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

Жыл бұрын

The advocacy she did should have left us something to talk about.

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria which is???

@od1452

Жыл бұрын

It is an interesting Mystery.

Thanks for watching! I make "Air Crash Investigation" style content and release monthly videos, so remember to SUBSCRIBE!

@cybergothiche2

Жыл бұрын

Hello, great video and thankyou. I was just wondering, what was "the one thing"? Best wishes.

"Betty's Notebook" has been mentioned. Betty was a 13yo girl in Florida who allegedly tuned in distress calls from Earhart on the family multiband radio, and began writing down what she heard. Her father reported this to the Coast Guard and was, apparently, laughed off the phone.

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, TIGHAR is probably the biggest promoter of Amelia Earhart fraud.

@toucheturtle2707

5 ай бұрын

Check out Nina Paxton’s letters. She also heard Earhart’s distress calls back in the U.S. she reported a specific location for Earhart: Mili and Knox Atolls in the Marshall Islands.

Really good show, and fitting conclusion. She was also very much a media product, and her resemblance to Lindbergh didn't hurt. Her piloting skills were only fair, but she had her own line of luggage, and made tons of money endorsing things. But so what -- she was a positive role model that everybody admired, who wasn't an entertainer or an athlete or debauched debutante. Good for her, and good for all who ignore stereotypes and pursue their dreams.

Keep going! Your videos are really good and it's only a matter of time before you continue to gain traction

@3Greens

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Appreciate the support.

@davionaugustus8356

3 жыл бұрын

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@lyleisrael5691

3 жыл бұрын

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@killiansantiago7568

3 жыл бұрын

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There is much more evidence to support the Gardner Island theory. Three DF sites used to plot the positions of passenger aircraft in the Pacific put her post-landing broadcasts there. The initial search found recent occupation there, though the last inhabitants of the island left 10 years before. A picture was taken during the search which showed what was overwhelmingly likely to be a landing strut from the aircraft near the ship wreckage. The bones discovered were lost but the records of their examination remain and the measurements are a good fit for her actual physical measurements. There’s more in probably not remembering atm.

@toucheturtle2707

5 ай бұрын

The Castaway theory has largely been ruled out now as none of the evidence recovered can be linked to Earhart and much of it has been confirmed as unrelated, for example the aluminium panel (TIGHAR refer to this as artefact 2-2-V-1), has been confirmed as belonging to a C-47. The shoe is not Amelia’s size, and the bones cannot be confirmed as Earhart’s despite Prof Jantz’s 2018 report.

Thank you for a very interesting and well researched video. All the best from Sydney Australia.

@BIGBADWOOD

2 жыл бұрын

Amelia Earhart was famous but not a great Pilot She did not have enough fuel to fly far and crashed in she crashed in the ocean ! AMELIA EARHART Mystery solved -- finally ! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmuYyZusodHWoKQ.html

This mystery has surely been one of the most enduring of all the many mysteries involving ships, planes and the world's oceans. My late Dad and Mom were 3 and 2 respectively when Amelia went missing. I've always been interested in this and hope something, someday, definitive is discovered.

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

Everything will be revealed on Judgement day. Don't worry. Or I should say.. WORRY. We will all have to face the music for what we have done and thought either good or bad. Now that's scary.

@raw1465

Жыл бұрын

they found her remains a while back. she crash landed on an uninhabbited island commonly home to coconut crabs. the largest land crab species in the world. and was probably eaten alive by them. unfortunately

@c2jones

Жыл бұрын

​@RAW I wasn't aware that this was authentically confirmed. There's many theories. I saw a documentary in which some insist that she was shot down by the Japanese as a spy, and taken into detention. The descriptions fit her profile to every detail.

@raw1465

Жыл бұрын

@@c2jones so heres the thing. im sure you can find it on google but they did find female remains her age on a deserted island with said crabs and there were some small personal belongings along with the findings that she probably wouldve had on her. im not sure why its not in a wiki somewhere or like actually documented yet but ive seen on a documentary video thats what they found. i could be remembering wrong tho so irdk

@c2jones

Жыл бұрын

@@raw1465 Oh, I know exactly what you're referring to. I saw a couple documentaries on exactly this theory and they seemed rather compelling to me. All I'm saying is that I haven't heard (yet) whether this was ever confirmed by hard artifacts or indisputable contents.

Very good presentation! I learned a lot!

IDK why she is looked up to so much? She was a bad pilot, she crashed several planes. She stripped the Electra to barebones, taking critical radio parts off the plane.

Finding the body’s, an issue I can understand, but it’s a surprise the aircraft or debris hasn’t been found yet.

@3Greens

3 жыл бұрын

It is, especially since a number of detailed searches have now been conducted. Maybe one day it will be uncovered.

@sarahpiaggio2693

2 жыл бұрын

If it had "landed" gently on deep water, then little to no wreckage would break off and be found floating or washed up on any beach. It would all sink into deep water, unlikely ever to be found. That seems to me to be quite likely since nothing was ever found

@MichaelGreen-vn7dr

2 жыл бұрын

it hasnt been found because TIGARD

@845SiM

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelGreen-vn7dr thanks for the info just been reading there website on this.

@MichaelGreen-vn7dr

2 жыл бұрын

@@845SiM TIGARD even suckered Bob Ballard, Titanic man, in on a trip to Gardner and found NOTHING. Logic says Amelia could NOT be so far south. Itaca wouldnt have heard her as clear as they could... and she didnt have the fuel for it. She tells Itasca "fuel running low". The proof even more so now that her plane was NOT found near Gardner Island. She's near Howland, Itasca screwed up, as they should have been sitting west of Howland to aid her Navigation and guide her in, even more so if she was late in the dark.

Paul Mantz a famous Hollywood stunt pilot of the era was part of Earhart's support team. In his biography, Hollywood Pilot he throws a lot of sobering cold ice water on the mystery. Ocean flying was a dicey thing in those days for the best-prepared pilots, yet when Earhart took off for her last flight she did so with a ton of compromises made to save weight in particular her aerials. This would compromise both her radio navigation and her ability to communicate. and in the less-than-ideal weather conditions that followed, it was a recipe for almost certain disaster. The ocean is a big place to get lost in, especially in the early 20th century.

I listen to ATC comms to fall asleep as I have loud tinnitus that can only be masked by irregular noise, like people talking for example. Whenever I hear a female pilot on comms I think of Amelia. She walked so all female pilots today can fly. She's truly a feminist icon and I don't even want to imagine how aviation would look without her pioneer work. Whatever happened to her and wherever she is now I really just hope she's proud of how far we've come.

@PointNemo9

2 жыл бұрын

Chances are it would look quite similar

@Redman680

2 жыл бұрын

She was the one given most publicity, but she was nowhere near the best female pilot of the era.

@Tsumami__

Жыл бұрын

She’s not the only or best early female pilot, she’s just the one that came from a wealthy privileged family and got good publicity.

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

Жыл бұрын

I have tinnitus and listen to a CD I’ve listened to since I was in my teen years. But listening to ATC comms is a great idea! Though I might want to listen instead of fall asleep. :D They’re great for training the ear to pick up stuff when flying. When you first start, it’s all mumbled gibberish.

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

Жыл бұрын

@@Redman680 Spoken like someone who doesn’t want to credit the advocacy that she did.

There is a suggestion that The DF equipment used on the flight had replaced a different model, whose controls were slightly differnet from the one she was used to. That caused it not to be set to receive voice. Essentially, a user interface problem.

Well done! Really impressed!

@3Greens

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Courage is the price which life exacts for granting peace......Amelia Earhart

@clintonmea4

Жыл бұрын

The soul that knows it not knows no release from little things. Knows not the livid loneliness of fear nor mountain heights, where bitter joy can hear the sound of wings. How can life grant us boon of living, compensate for dull gratefulness and pregnant hate, unless we dare. The souls dominions? Each time we make a choice we pay with courage to behold resistless day and count it fair..

Outstanding job. Thank you.

Very nice presentation, thank you for sharing.

More attention to this story is required! 👍🏻

Fred Noonan's map had Howland Island placed incorrectly at 9 miles further south than where it was actually located. This means Amelia flew 9 miles further south than where they should have been and missed Howland Island to the Southeast. Sadly nobody wants to search that triangulated area. Not then or now.

@jeffp3415

Жыл бұрын

If so, I'd say that supports the Nikumaroro theory. Flying the 157/337 line there is nothing but water to the North of Howland, but the Phoenix Islands were on that line to the south. They would have flown south to find somewhere to land.

Many years ago I read that there was an error in Noonan's chart. It put the island three miles away from what it should had been.

Great comprehensive vid on this mystery, thanks for posting 👍🏻👌🏻🌏✈️🙂 she's near Howland for sure... Crashed & sank 🌊🏝️. Such a shame but her legend lives on... Eternally 🙏🏻✈️🌏👏🏻🙁🙂

I can't imagine those long flights without stretching the legs or using the bathroom or sleep. It had to be brutal.

@ricktaylor3748

Жыл бұрын

She had to have a pee pot.

I overheard my mother's aunt telling my mom in an seriousness that she had heard from a friend in the Japanese government that Amelia had been captured by the Japanese.

@ap-dh8md

Жыл бұрын

I personally went to Japan and asked an agent at the shinkansen station where Amelia Earhart was, and she gave me perfect directions to the airport and bowed.

@WarthogARJ

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Is now in the same as Elvis and Howard Hughes.

@johnzeszut3170

Жыл бұрын

I would not be surprised if Amelia, Fred and the aircraft feel into Japanese hands.

@user-ke4um4jc5u

5 ай бұрын

At the time of her disappearance. The Marshall Islands were a mandated territory from world war 1. No white people were allowed in the islands. They would have been executed as spies under the circumstances of the Japanese policies. The history channel program showed an overwhelming evidence to this.

I read that she was blown off course at night by 150 miles so headed for Gardner island concerned about fuel running low. If she thought she was near Howland island why would she go to Gardner island instead? She had the 250 foot long wire aerial and winching apparatus removed. Presumably to save weight (my theory). Therefore the fixed aerial was too short to be efficient. The U.S. Naval Institute report which I read recently said signals were received after she would have run out of fuel and crashed into the sea and bearings on her plane taken and that's why a search was conducted around Gardner island. It was said transmissions would have coincided when the tide was out to run the engines to power the radio which also one radio operator said there was no "hum" (engine noise) suggesting the plane was not in the air. At low tide the propellers would not be in the water. The d.f. frequencies were not ideal and too high because she got confused between frequency and wavelength. There was no fresh water on the island so they would get dehydrated and there were three foot crabs to consume any bodies. Read the report, I'd say it points to them having landed.

After reading the many comments the Japanese capture of the pair. Those who question it, should read their history books. Find out how the Japanese acquired the Marshall Islands, why these islands were of interest to the United States, who was Fred Noonan, Amelia Earhart 2 week stay at White House shortly before her flight and modifications to the plane before the flight? It is very interesting.

In 1964 my ship routinely patrolled between Guam and south toward the Equator, much of it through the Caroline Islands. During a patrol one afternoon we made radio contact with a pilot who claimed to be attempting to recreate Earhart's flight.

@3Greens

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool mate! I wonder if the pilot was also flying an Electra.

@BIGBADWOOD

2 жыл бұрын

Amelia Earhart was famous but not a great Pilot She did not have enough fuel to fly far and crashed in she crashed in the ocean ! AMELIA EARHART Mystery solved -- finally ! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmuYyZusodHWoKQ.html

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

more likely some kids playing with a radio

@toucheturtle2707

5 ай бұрын

It was probably Ann Pellegreno, but I think her Earhart commemorative flight was in 1967.

Noonan was a Certified Merchant Marine Captain with years of experience who charted many Pacific overseas routs.. some still used today I am told. He also did the same for aviation...he was also a pilot but preferred Navigation. He is forgotten in all this .. except to tarnish his character . I think they wert to the Marshalls because Noonan was familiar with the area and thought he could find a landing place. They landed and sent messages for days.. then were captured by the Japanese. ( The Marshalls were restricted the US could not search there. ) The Japanese were paranoid ( Hallmark of the Kempeti) and thought the pair were really spies remember her first try around the world was going west and her accident was on FORD island Navy base.( They could have been spies but I don't think so.) The US Army and Navy had broken all or almost all of the Japanese codes.. ( read Magic the untold story) The US knew they were captured but could not say anything without giving up the fact that the US had broken the Japanese codes. So the US kept the secret... but later ( 1944 I think) found the plane and maybe their or her body .. This is referring to the Navy officer with the Marine detail that hunted for her body in Saipan...and the many sightings by Marines and Native citizens that have leaked out over the years. Of course I can't prove this.... and don't want to. But until I hear a better theory that fits into some of the evidence like mine... I'll stick with it.

@peanutbutterisfu

Жыл бұрын

America did not have Japanese code even close to broken when she disappeared if they did YEARS later we would have known about the Pearl Harbor attacks way before they happened. America and our allies had peace talks and meetings with Japan in the late 30’s the only was Japan would have captured them and killed them would be if they were spies. Japan knows that we were intercepting every message they sent and if they did capture them I highly doubt they would have sent a message about the capture because we would have got the message and knew that it involved them and that could help up try to crack the encryption, I wouldn’t believe they would ever send out an encrypted message if they knew we had information on what the message would say that would be such a good help for America’s effort to crack the code encryption. If she disappeared during ww2 when we had a clue about their code encryption then yeah America could have known they were captured and for sure couldn’t say anything because Japan would know we cracked their code however even then after the war was over there’s no reason America wouldn’t tell Japan we read ur message we know you captured them what happened and America would have made up some story to cover up what really happened and they would have been found. Plus with how many generations it has been since the war the people involved would have passed the information on to their families and people would know what happened people can not keep secrets like that and that’s just if only officers knew and if it happened Japanese service men would have known and the entire world would know by now it’s just not realistic for the word to not get out people can’t keep quiet about something that big it’s just not gonna happen plus the dates not lining up about America cracking their code again we were far away from cracking their code regardless of what anything you have read. You have to think about this stuff 10 different ways.

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

you forgot to say the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese... in your opinion. As everyone has one. 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

@od1452

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv MM mm Insults without an alternative theory .? . This is my opinion. I'm just sharing my thoughts. Some may find it interesting , some not. But this video is about the mystery . I would be interested to hear your theory on what happened to her and Noonan . I think that is the beauty of the comment section of these videos .people can share different ideas. Anybody can insult people. BTW I don't think the earth is flat or the moon is made of Cheese.

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

@@od1452 My opinion and estimated guesses counts for nothing. Keep my guesses to myself. Oh, I'm sure the moon is made of green cheese because alien rats have eaten the eye formations out of the moon. Yes, it must be true because I said so. 🙄🙄🤣🤣😄😄

@gs8494

Жыл бұрын

The sea crash and disappearance is far and away the most likely theory, the bones found on Nikumaroro are lost and will forever remain a speculative crash site, also just because a sonar search didn't find anything is irrelevant, a small error in calculating a search area can mean a huge increase in the search area for a possible site for the wreckage, also in 1937 the US had broken some Japanese codes but not all and that they knew she and Noonan been captured but didn't want to risk exposure is to be blunt asinine, there is so many ways the Navy and the government could've found out if she and Noonan had been taken by the Japanese, not only that the Japanese had more to gain from rescuing the pair than executing them as spies or keeping them as prisoners, it's a long shot at best and highly unlikely to the point of absurdity at worst. The least amount of assumptions is the safer and more reasonable way forward, accept the facts and make as few assumptions as possible, so much of your evidence is hearsay and unsubstantiated, you can't prove it because the evidence isn't there, it's all just speculation, hearsay, and guess work. Also the distance to the Marshal islands from Howland makes it highly unlikely, no navigator especially one as experienced as Noonan is going to risk a distant target to a closer one when fuel is an issue, they were trying to reach Howland and the only options would've been any land nearby, certainly not the Marshals to say nothing of the fact they would've had to make a decision to try for the Marshals a lot sooner and would've definitely broadcast the fact.

Really excellent. Thank you.

Wasn't that altitude record in an autogyro of 18,000 feet not a regular airplane because I believe they must have gone up higher than regular planes

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, despite many sources claiming Earhart set a “world altitude record” in an autogyro, she is not credited with an altitude record, or any flight record in an autogyro in National Aeronautic Association historic records. FIA records show Earhart set three world speed records in 1930, and a world distance record in 1932.

You claim that the Depression was the reason Amelia had to sell her first plane in the 1920s. She then wrote newspaper articles until the 1928 Atlantic flight. But the Depression did not begin until 1929.

@UguysRnuts

5 ай бұрын

The crash of the stock market in 1929 was not the beginning of the financial decline.

This is, hands down, the best video I’ve seen on Amelia. It covers things rarely ever spoken about, such as the letter she wrote to her husband before marrying him about how she wouldn’t be held to monogamy (polyamory exists, people), and what inspired her to fly in the first place. Pilot and member if the 99s here, and the history of women in aviation (also a member of the organization Women in Aviation, and on the board of the local chapter) is a HUGE point for me. I’m kinda known as a nerd about this stuff, and advocate for other to learn about it. At a Girl Scout event I participated in a few weeks ago, to help a Brownie troop with a flyer badge, I went over some women pilots, and Amelia was one of them. I asked the girls if they knew anything else she had done but disappear. None of them knew about any of the advocacy she did. You hit on so much in under 19 minutes. I will give one very mild correction: Women pilots technically aren’t a full 7% yet. We say “the 7% to be optimistic. Take out those who quite training (I can personally vouch for women getting different treatment-I left my first school over this), and we’ve got a ways to go still. Women airline pilots are significantly fewer. But it’s still fair to call it 7%, considering we do. Aviation can feel lonely for women. When I have to get this nitpicky to find anything inaccurate, you hit it out of the park. I’ll be highly recommending this video, and am so thankful to you for doing it.

@WarthogARJ

Жыл бұрын

Very good points: she's truly an excellent example of why we need to level the gender playing field. You quote the term "monogamy" in her letter, but it was ""faithfullness". My understanding is that she was likely bisexual or perhaps lesbian. Not that it detracts from her in any way. In terms of female airline plots, I suspect it's correlated to the number of female military pilots, since a common 2nd career for military pilots is civil aviation. Would be interesting to graph the two trends, and see if there's a correlation: need to add in a time lag, obviously. On a related matter, is there concern in female pilots who still want to bear children, and the increased exposure to atmospheric/high altitude radiation? I did a quick google, and the results seem unconclusive (and therefore I'd assume the risk is low). But even if ACUAL risk is low, perhaps PERCEIVED risk is an issue to females who wish to bear kids?

@timothystockman7533

Жыл бұрын

I spent 20 some years in the Purdue University / Lafayette area. The Electra was purchased for Earhart by the Purdue Research Foundation. One of the residence halls is named for Earhart. The airport where I learned to fly, Aretz Airport, had a picture on the office wall of Captain Aretz (the founder) talking over a chart with Amelia Earhart. All this has piqued my interest in her as a pilot and as a person. So far as women in aviation, Aretz Airport was run by Ruth Aretz. She had a couple female CFIs on staff. Though I never had any flight instruction from them, I did have a biennial review with a female CFI at Aretz. Ruth had a great airport, unfortunately it is no more...

Good look into the stories and theories.

Camille Paglia will be proud. Keeping the Amelia flame going. Great video!

I like the video, but not the background music. Playing music while you're speaking makes it very difficult to hear you clearly and it's distracting. To be clear, it makes no difference as to what music is played. Thank you.

Amelia always had trouble using the complex radio equipment in use, and never quite mastered it, which may have been a factor in her disappearance.

@coreyrich420

Жыл бұрын

did she tell you that???

@jonyjoe8464

Жыл бұрын

its a known fact that woman shouldnt be trusted with navigational equipment. She should just handle the steering wheel and let noohan do the navigating.

@hemming57

Жыл бұрын

I heard she was more guts than skill

@toonsis

Жыл бұрын

read Timothy Stockman post below, he told us that

@davidhoward4715

Жыл бұрын

@@jonyjoe8464 Earhart attempted to fly around the world. You can barely haul your obese carcass off the sofa to get three more jumbo bags of Cheetos.

@2:01, 2:09, 3:29, , The aircraft has the hook for attaching to an Aerohanger as would be used by the LTA (lighter than air) Dirigibles of the U.S. Navy. U.S.S. Akron, was the world's first purpose-built flying aircraft carrier, carrying F9C Sparrowhawk fighter planes, which could be launched and recovered while it was in flight.

@mikmik9034

Жыл бұрын

@Johnny Rep Thank You, I have corrected the time stamps.

I found my notes....ok, so the transmission of 179 with 1.6 DEG, SW of Howland makes sense now. After 5 days of drift to the west, if you look to the east back in time they were in the vicinity of Windlow reef. This is the 3rd pointer that they were at or near Winslow reef. My website needs updating I n the Next few days. The 179 could be 175 with the sound of a carbon mic, but today I realised that 179 Is the likely drift, but that puts them to the SW not SE, and verifies their own words they were SW OF howland On the day of that transmission.

The Nikumaroro/Gardner Island theory has largely been discredited. The aluminum piece found doesn't fit the Electra, has WWII-era alloy markings, and matches the wing of a U.S. WWII aircraft which crashed on a nearby island. The serial number on the sextant box found was identified in U.S. archives as assigned to a U.S. Navy ship which visited Nikumaroro. Etc, etc.

Earhart was an amazing woman. Another of her many accomplishments (often overlooked) was in fashion design and a number of the ideas she developed in design and production are still utilized today!

@jasonalexander845

Жыл бұрын

As a pilot, she was average at best. She was only famous because of her husband.

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

@@jasonalexander845 You knew her?

Of your three "theories", the one regarding Gardner Island does have evidence, just no confirmed aircraft wreckage. There is a sextant case, a piece of aluminum skin conveniently the same size as the patch over a read window known to be on Earhart's plane, the various jars of cream and such she was known to have and use, the bones that were conveniently "lost" after a preliminary analysis, and the dozens of radio calls heard throughout the globe, including Pan Am tracking stations that triangulate to Gardner Island. Many of the radio calls were discounted because of the words thought to be "New York City" were transmitted over and over. But nobody at the time connected the dots that the ship wreck on Gardner Island was a ship with the name "Norwich City" painted prominently on the bow and stern. If a person was sending a distress radio call, they would include the name of the Island (if they knew it), or some other prominent landmark that would be known by rescuers, like the name of the large, prominent (and likely well known wreck Norwich City). Over the often fuzzy and static radio calls, "Norwich City" can easily be confused with "New York City", especially when the listener is not a rescue team member, but rather plain civilian or someone not necessarily familiar with specific details of the search area. So I believe there is ample evidence that the Gardner Island is by far the scenario that played out, and a properly funded deep sea expedition off the coast of the island near where the landing gear image is sticking out of the water would likely discover the remains of the Electra (big parts like the engines at least). The "theories" about the spying on the Japanese and subsequent capture, and/or hiding in NJ in plain sight are just completely ridiculous and should not even be included in a serious analysis of the mystery.

@bill-2018

Ай бұрын

I agree with you. I read the report from the U.S. Naval Institute the other day and it seems to me they landed especially since radio calls were made after the fuel would have run out.

After all these decades, is it a stretch to assume that the one small piece of equipment Earhart should've been trained thoroughly in, she comes off as being nonchalant about knowing how to properly use it? Just getting on the same page with the Itasca and understanding the frequencies they'd use, could have been such a simple instruction. An expensive aircraft and a serviceable qualified navigator on board with her, and she waffles on the radio-- her only communication link to the world and the thing that would've most likely saved her and Fred.

@michaelsnodgrass1808

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct!!!

If the plane crashed in the ocean we will probably never find it. The ocean is gigantic, moving and it's been so long. Even if she went down near the island, the current and winds could've taken the plane elsewhere before it sunk. Hats off to a hero, she died doing what she loved so there is some solace in that.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

Hey hungry, I think the plane crashed into the ocean when it ran out of gas. It also sank like a rock. Test showed that plane would sink in a few minutes. I think the plane is within 50 miles of Howland but beside being on the very deep ocean floor, is it West, East, North, South of Howland? She was lost flying around looking for it. Draw a 50 mile out circle around Howland and that area would be VAST then add depth of ocean. One day when we have the technology to put a sensor under a plane fly over the area and get a loud ping when over a large metal object that will narrow the area down. Till then maybe it will be found by accident looking for something else.

Love that you're doing this "Look Back" into Aviation History, and the support for Amelia Earhart and all... BUT we've mostly heard about her before, first to this, first woman to that... Everyone knows how Amelia Earhart disappeared... AND don't get me wrong, I like a good mystery, too. I'd LOVE to see some mentions for the likes of Pancho Barnes, who was out there breaking Amelia's records with relative frequency... Only... We don't get so many stories about her. You might consider hitting up the story of the "Night Witches" too... let folks know Amelia Earhart DID inspire a lot of girls and women to put on their "big boy shoes" and go flying... AND their stories are just as important. "If I'm given a choice to laugh or cry, I'll laugh every time!" ~Pancho Barnes {My kind a gal} ;o)

@JohnSmith-uy7sv

Жыл бұрын

But it won't save your soul.

@spiritmatter1553

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Do Pancho Barnes!

Some of Earhart's formative years in aviation were performed in a biplane; not the F9C Sparrowhawk depicted in your fine presentation but in the British training aircraft called the Gypsy Tiger Moth. Although docile in general appearance the Gypsy Tiger Moth is no Piper Cub or Cessna 172 when it comes to flying. Gypsy is a totally hands-on airplane with a deliberately designed unstable cruise and a built-in tendency to spin. Like America's BT-13 Vultee Vibrator the aircraft designers had the over-confident student pilot in mind. The Gypsy Tiger Moth being a fatigue-producing aircraft even over short distances; it is therefore both striking and amazing that Ms. Earhart would fly cross-country in such an aircraft in her beginning years.

@pommunist

Жыл бұрын

Ron, I believe the aeroplane you are referring to is the De Havilland DH.60 Moth, the earlier version of the DH.82 Tiger Moth, with the DH.Gypsy engine, yeah? But it first flew in 1925. In 1921? in America? Amelia, and practically everybody else, would have learned to fly in a Curtis JN4 "Jenny." An aircraft famous for its stability and ruggedness

@JAGRAFX

Жыл бұрын

@@pommunist Thanks for the input; did not know about the DH.60 as opposed the DH.82 Tiger Moth. You are correct in that Earhart learned to fly in a JN-4 when she was in Long Beach, California but it was the "Canuck" version rather than the "Jenny" [which may be a difference only in nomenclature like the later AT-6 "Texan" and the Brit "Harvard."] The JN-4 airframe was actually brought back from junk by her instructor so it may indeed have been a "Franken-Plane" with the characteristics of a number of aircraft like the Lincoln Standard and a cluster of similar aircraft. The "Gypsy Tiger Moth" text above is from one amongst many written accounts which addressed Earhart's flying experience and ability but exactly what time frame is being referred to remains uncertain. My assertion that this was in her early flying years may indeed be incorrect. Earhart's first aircraft purchase was actually in the summer of 1921 when she bought a Kinner Airster biplane which she nicknamed "The Canary". On October 22, 1922, Earhart flew the Airster to an altitude of 14,000 feet, setting a world record for female pilots and on May 16, 1923, Earhart became the 16th woman in the United States to be issued a pilot's license. Would be interested if you have any further background or general knowledge re the DH Moth's and Tiger Moth's hands-on stability characteristics since I have only been up close to one of them in my life.

Well done...thank you.

The mystery was solved, the USS Voyager found her plane and herself in the Delta quadrant.

Question ! WHY did you use a US Army Air Corp F9 C "Sparrowhawk" as a simulator for the Airplane Earhart First flew ?? She Most definitely NEVER Flew a Sparrowhawk it was more like a Curtiss Jenny and then a Kinner Airster which she purchased .

@russellblake9850

Жыл бұрын

thx, you saved me googling "parasitic biplane"; lord knows what that would've returned ??

Amelia is a legend and her superb achievements should never be forgotten!

good video

Watched the video, gave it a Like, but still don't know what is the one thing everyone forgets about Amelia Earhart?

@TubeOnRichard

Жыл бұрын

I think it is (video 16.36 - "her legacy as a feminist icon" WTF - who doesn't know that?

@someotherdude

Жыл бұрын

Me too, what's the one thing, I'm calling clickbait on this. I also don't like them mentioning the Japanese angle, because that is really absurd.

@someotherdude

Жыл бұрын

@@TubeOnRichard you and I and the rest of us, because it's assumed we're all sexist and ignorant. Anyone who isn't woke must be so.

She encountered stronger than expected head winds. Because of this she left behind a heavy spool-type trailing antenna at her previous fuel stop. That antenna was essential for determining her location via triangulation. She also arrived in the area of Howland after dark, again due to head winds. The puny loop antenna wasn't up to the job, and her navigation, or Noonan's, was a little off. She could not spot the island despite the fact that signal fires were lit. My source for this information was a book written by one of her ground crew. He retraced her last journey several years after her loss. In that book is a picture of the spool-type trailing antenna leaning against a wall at her last fuel stop.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

Steve, I have read that she expected 12 mph head winds but in reality they were 25 MPH Slowing and using more fuel then anticipated. "BUT" all information I ever read was she and Fred arrived over Howland Island with the sun (remember she is flying East) in her eyes. Fred even took a last bearing on the sun at "8:45 AM" to put the plane on that "157-337" North west, south east "sun Line". The book by her mechanic of her arriving at night is just WRONG! You need to read a few more books, all indicate it was broad daylight. In fact the sun was casting the shadow of clouds on the ocean making them look like Islands. As far as the trailing antenna goes I have read that she left it behind as she thought it a nuisance.

@Redman680

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomtransport The trailing antenna was torn off at Lae, proven fact. If you paid for your education, get a refund

@Redman680

2 жыл бұрын

If the headwinds were stronger than anticipated, it is possible that Noonan provided incorrect navigation readings. She could have been much further south than they believed. The area isn't populated that heavily & certainly wasn't in the 30's. A radio signal from 350 miles away could have been misinterpreted as being closer, given that there was very little other "noise" out there.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redman680 I repeat-- You are far more lost then Amelia ever was. LOL.

@marhawkman303

Жыл бұрын

@@Redman680 Yeah, one of the navigation methods used back then, was... incredibly hard to do right. It required you to figure out your location by measuring flight time, and plotting your course on a map. But it only worked right if your course was actually straight, and your speed known. If a crosswind messes up your heading or headwinds slow you down... you could be miles off!

Strong signal could've been anywhere from 1to 10 miles, they were probably very close but it would be been very easy to miss the tiny spot of land and a ship.

Well researched and well presented. Thank you.

This video doesn't live up to its title. I knew every fact in here from prior reading. So what's the forgotten thing?

@manmadeaids

Жыл бұрын

She’s a whamen

_"...she made her own makeshift rollercoaster..."_ ✊😎 nuff respect

I feel like Earhart's legacy isn't the one thing forgotten about her at all. Whether approached with quack conspiracy theories or painstaking research, The mystery about her continues to draw attention specifically because she was such an important aviator and symbol of free womanhood. She became such a powerful symbol for everyone who believed in her. It actually feels quite hopeful that her disappearance continues to drive us all crazy. We feel we owe it to her to find the truth of her death, no matter how long it's been.

@harridan.

Жыл бұрын

one of my favourite Joni Mitchell songs is Amelia, hauntingly beautiful

@tiekbane

Жыл бұрын

I like people who dont disappear.

It is also not known that although she broke a lot of records, she was not regarded as a particularly good pilot and had been involved in several crashes. It took her 15 flights under dual instruction before she was ready to solo, a number that was much higher than most. Her life depended on the DF equipment and she was not all that well acquainted with its use. She was working on a freq that the DF was not strong when it came to DF accuracy.

@buckmurdock2500

10 ай бұрын

Based on the length of lessons from that era and number of flights you claim, Ameila's flight time at solo would have been 7-10 hrs. That would have been an average time, not an excessive amount more than most. It was not unusual to crash planes in those days. Unimproved landing areas (paved runways were very rare) minimally engineered planes operated at 20-30% over design limits, etc. Lockheed's Kelly Johnson helped Amelia with procedures for getting airborne in the shortest distance with very heavy fuel loads. He also taught her how to use a Cambridge analyzer to get best fuel economy from engines. He commented in his book, she was sensible, studious and paid attention to what she was told. Hardly the incompetent many want to paint her as. Perhaps male pilots of that era were jealous of her accomplishments? That would mean not much has changed.

@stevehammond9156

10 ай бұрын

@@buckmurdock2500 My point is_ that for someone who is traversing _very large_ bodies of water, which has _no identifiable landmarks+, and relying on DF equipment as your sole form of navigation besides dead reckoning, you would have expected that she be _extremely proficient_ in using the gear. Apparently she had _little experience_ in using it and was using a frequency that was not well suited for DF. That is a very _rookie_ mistake. I think she was pushed into it for the publicity aspect of it when in fact she was _not nearly_ experienced enough to do it. It cost her her life as well as that of Fred Noonan's.

I was deep sea fishing in the gulf of Mexico in the 80s when there was no limit on red snapper you could fill up the boat and we did many times. We would catch sharks and other fish also and I caught caught a15 ft hammerhead shark I gutted it to see what it had been eating and I found an old Florida driver's license that had her name on it.

@suzyqualcast6269

5 ай бұрын

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@elviedavis8351

4 ай бұрын

Uh

157-337 was a line of position (LOP). Did you know that celestial navigation is only one of the ways of obtaining a line of position out of I think there are at least 10 different ways. Example: raising and dipping lights and landmarks, vertical and horizontal sextant angles, compass bearings. Those are just a few to mention. So we have 157-337 compass or true heading, we have a 67 degree true (course) heading (sunrise) 11 degrees north of Howland Island and we have a 67 degree compass heading (76.54 true course) which is 1.5 degrees north of Howland Island. Which 157-337 did she refer to over the radio?

@markprange4386

2 жыл бұрын

157°/337° is the True orientation of a Sun line (of position) that crossed over Howland Island. It is perpendicular to a computed azimuth of the Sun. The angular height of the Sun is the same along the Line. Measurements of the Sun's height could have been compared with predictions of its height along the Line, and heading corrections made to track along the Line. The orientation of the line changes--staying perpendicular to the Sun's azimuth.

@twright4263

2 жыл бұрын

@@markprange4386 sounds interesting, there are two 157-337 (LOP) degrees compass heading and true heading, which one was she referring to? There are also two 67 degrees compass heading and true heading and they are both north of Howland Island! A 67 degree true heading (sunrise) is 11 degrees north of Howland and a 67 degree compass heading (76.54 degree true heading) is 1.5 degrees north of Howland Island. Which 67 degree is the 157-337 LOP based on? They could have easily traveled 2556 miles on a 76.54 degree true heading (67.05 degree compass heading) turned right 90 degrees onto 157-337 compass heading towards Howland.

@twright4263

2 жыл бұрын

@@markprange4386 what about Clarence Williams? He was hired to supply them with all the information on how to get there, he could have easily made a mistake and gave them the wrong directions (true heading) because of a mathematical error! Over 90 percent of accidents are caused by human error! 83772 people have died since 1970 in aviation accidents! Which mistake was made that caused this accident?

@twright4263

2 жыл бұрын

@@markprange4386 I challenge you, 157-337 IS a compass heading based on a 67 degree compass heading which is 1.5 degrees north of Howland Island. Facts, distance is 2556 miles or 2221 nautical miles with a 9.49 degree east magnetic declination near Howland Island. Formula, x=sin(inverse)(517÷distance) 2556, x=11.67 degree, 90-11.67= 78.33 degree true heading. 78.33-9.49= 68.8 degree compass heading. 2221, x=13.46 degrees, 90-13.46= 76.54 degree true heading, 76.54-9.49= 67.05 degree compass heading!!! Did you catch the ERROR? Now you have to prove me wrong!

@markprange4386

2 жыл бұрын

"We are on the line 157 337." A little earlier, the azimuth of the Sun had been about 067° True. So they called the (perpendicular) line of position the "line 157 337." The correct orientation of the line of position was a little less than 157°/337°. But what was important was the steadily increasing height of the rising Sun. Noonan knew its expected height, and knew from using a sextant how near he was to the Sun line.

Hey shout out to Atchison Kansas, my old hometown

Well that cleared it up

Interesting. I’ve seen so many primary sources from military, civil leaders, and witnesses, and several newspaper articles prior to 1960 that reveal Amelia was rescued by the Japanese and initially her and her navigator were treated in the hospital. yet when the Japanese found spy cameras on her airplane they were arrested sent to Saipan and eventually executed. Their graves and the airplane itself was found on the island in 1944 when the allies liberated it. I’ve seen several accounts that say the plane was burned and then scrapped under the runway constructed by the Americans on Saipan. This is interesting stuff. Thanks.

@KiwiCatherineJemma

Жыл бұрын

Oh dear, that sounds grim. I much prefer the "evidence" I saw presented on a Star Trek episode, where Amelia had somehow ended up on another planet halfway across the galaxy and she's happily living a life there surrounded by friendly aliens !

@francishunt562

Жыл бұрын

@@KiwiCatherineJemma and in that episode she admits working for the US Government and was spying on Japanese positions in the area.

@michelezeszutko9933

Жыл бұрын

Yes I have read that the Electra was found on Saipan along with documents belonging to Amelia in a safe. An enlisted man gave the papers to an officer and they were never seen again. The aircraft was destroyed by military order. I think that the Japanese got her and Fred.

@captainpoppleton

Жыл бұрын

Well being an evangelist you would believe anything.

@BludShotiiiiis

Жыл бұрын

@@michelezeszutko9933 it was seen by the US Marines near the runway on Saipan after they took control of the island and was subsequently destroyed and buried. The aircraft is visible at the rear of the japanese ship in that photo that shows Earhart and Noonan on the dock. The book by Fred Goerner is a great read and he did some serious research back in the 60's when those witnesses were still living.

In the words of Amelia Earhart, "Don't look for me, look for my luggage!". -Red Buttons

@Stable_Genius

Жыл бұрын

😂 I've heard that bit before. Lol

@dangeroreilly2028

Жыл бұрын

And yet Red never got a dinner.

@Stable_Genius

Жыл бұрын

@@dangeroreilly2028 "I once saw Milton Berle f*cking a telephone pole. I said, Milton, why are you f*cking a telephone pole? Milton said, I'm trying reach out and touch someone."

I have seen these photos for years

Curious that neither party, either the Coast Guard vessel attending Howland Island, or Earhart/Noonan in the airplane, fired flares or distress rockets while they were searching each other. The total dependence upon fritzy radios, especially during atmospheric layer changes at dawn, seems strange. That;'s another thing - working radios in the Navy on Guam in the 70's, both dusk and dawn were times of poor and at times impossible radio reception requiring frequency changes, etc., due to changes in the ionosphere because of sun involvement - mostly affecting longrange 'bounce' transmissions, but affecting short range as well. Remember the failed radio link to Hawaii early morning of December 7?

Joseph Leroy Lodrige is\was a veteran US NAVY navigator... He did a documentary on his theory,and people should be listening.. This man lived it and knows. He figured it down to weather,sun,fuel,altitude and seems to think they over shot. The doc is on here...A must for anyone interested...

What was the one thing everyone forgot? I forgot already.

The Electra ran out of fuel, hit the water, immediately filled up and sank in the vast, deep Pacific. Needle in haystack.

@meremortal5789

Ай бұрын

Her radio transmissions were heard for 6 days.

Some general location would be helpful. The Pacific is a graveyard with tens of thousands of down aircraft The Lockheed Hudson was a military version of the Electra. Many Hudsons meet their fate in the Pacific war. Be interesting to see if the target is a similar type

I'm done with the video and I already forgot the one thing the clickbait title claimed I'd forget.

The 157-337 sunrise line intersect tangentially at only one point on Nikumaroro -- that point happens to be where bones and other items were later found.

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

2239CRS---That line also goes through Howland Island too. It's not complicated She was looking for Howland, she was headed to Howland, her destination was Howland. She is running out of gas, she said so. She knew Howland was right below her someplace, She said so. She did not fly off 350 miles south looking for some other Island she would not even reach. The plane is on the ocean floor near Howland Island. She ran out of gas and crashed into the ocean. No Nikumaroro, no Japanese BS either. It's not complicated at all.

@Redman680

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomtransport so wrong & ignorant, it's frightening. Try doing some research & don't try to pass your uneducated opinion as fact. Have a nice day.

@GhostKing6790

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redman680 Can you explain why? I've researched this for months. Tighar is taking you for a ride because they need the donations. How can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she landed on Nikumaroro?

3 Greens, I would like to contribute 3 additionals info-bytes, and consider me least educated on these facts. Amelia was carrying 3 compasses, and may have had competing information as to which was valid. 2. incorrectly rough-draw her flight out of Lae as being on a 90 degree horizontal curved flight path, where in fact Lae, New Guinea sits below the equator at South 6 degrees 30, and her destination was slightly above the equator at 0 degrees 48 minutes. I have always wondered, how do compasses react when transitioning from below the equator to a location slightly above the equator, over a 2500 trip. 3. Nikumaroro is 350 to 400 miles away from Howland and would be a dangerous target if low on gas. Tim Stockman gives a very good explanation of losing the antenna, I think she may have clipped her underside on her takeoff from Lae. 4. Noonan as Navigator, and Amelia as Pilot, had developed a very strained relationship given to his heavy drinking and apparent lack of usefulness on the extended, over ocean trip. She had told someone she would never use him as a Navigator again, once they completed the trip. Just some amateur contributions, discount all of it if you know better than me.

Why didn't they land on Baker island?

IMHO the Lockheed Electra is on the ocean floor within 50 miles of Howland Island. Problem is we don't know whether it's East, West, North or South of the island because she was lost and may have flown past it while looing for it. If we draw a circle around the Island of 50 miles that search area would be far too vast. I doubt they decided to fly 350 Southeast to another Island. Think about that. You are near where you were headed ( she even says to the ship "we must be on you but can't see you") so you would decide to fly off 350 mile to someplace else you may not find or see??!? I know I would not. I would think to the last drop of gas that the Island of Howland is just about to appear on my next turn and that's what she thought too. When the ships radio operator thought she was so close he ran on deck that would have been a good time to shoot up some rockets/flairs but they did not. Did the ship have a flair gun? I think the Electra will be found someday but probably by accident while someone, oil exploration company, adventurer is looking for something else. I say don't complicate this tragedy, The plane is on the ocean floor near Howland Island. She ran out of gas and crashed into the ocean nearby looking for it. No Nikumaroro, no Japanese BS either. It's not complicated at all.

@MichaelGreen-vn7dr

2 жыл бұрын

right

@Redman680

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. If she was lost, it fitted that she would follow the well worn 157 337 direction provided by dead reckoning from the sun. She said she was flying that route in radio messages on the day she vanished. She would fly north & then south and repeat until out of fuel. That line of flight bisects Nikamuroro perfectly, so it isn't beyond reason that she wound up there. It's ignorant to try to pass your uneducated opinion as fact.

@johnsmith-mq4eq

2 жыл бұрын

Earhart's plane was burnt on the ground at Saipan 1944 by US marines she was buried there after being killed by Japanese captors. Read Earhart The truth at Last by Mike Campbell published 2016

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-mq4eq Baloney!!

@tomtransport

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redman680 LOL, look who's talking! Read your own post B 4 calling "anybody" ignorant.

I remember watching an interview with a navigator that was asked to fly with Amelia on the world flight, but he declined to participate as he thought she was not a good enough pilot. He also had talks with Noonan about the navigation for the flight and in particular the trans pacific leg where he recommended that Noonan aim to shoot a course between Howland and Baker island about 50 k to the south of Howland rather than a dead reckoning shot at Howland direct. He also commented that Noonan was a drinker and was inclined to become confused over the complicated mathematics of navigation, particularly when having to adjust calculations with a sextant when allowing for height above sea level and wind drift.

@clintwilde1048

Жыл бұрын

Noonan apparently flunked his first tests to qualify as a navigator, and barely passed or was passed on his second attempt. He had messed up before on navigation issues in other aircraft. Probably not the best choice for this trip. Recent finds on the last departure showed the bottom antenna being ripped from the plane on a rough takeoff over bumpy ground, and parts of it were found on the runway. You need the sense antenna and the directional antenna for an RDF to work properly, which may explain her inability to get a good null.

@michaelsnodgrass1808

6 ай бұрын

Manning was the navigator that refused to go on future flights with Earhart. He was on the initial crash when she ground looped in Hawaii on the first attempt to go to howland island.

@johnstirling6597

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelsnodgrass1808 As I recall he said that when confronted with a choice, Amelia would invariably pick the wrong option.

the world is so shady how do you just lose bones like oopsie they gone

I'm told that she was not good on leaning out her engine so she consumed more fuel than those people consume while flying similar roots

@billpugh58

Жыл бұрын

Like most US pilots at the start of WW2.

My theory is that the plane did sink after it landed in the ocean from no fuel. Amelia used to skills and most likely did a "glider" move which lasted until the plane fell into the sea. With them not being so high, it's possible that the plane landed safely with very little damage and sank leaving not much to zero trace behind. Amelia and Noonan could have been able to escape the aircraft but would die later because of not being found or drowned. If they had survived, they'd have to swim to the nearest island. These islands have a lot of foliage so spotting them from the air wouldn't be possible and ground search teams may have not found any evidence of them because they could've been hiding away in a spot that looked like it was natural. If they couldn't escape the plane, it sank with them inside and could be buried in the sand. If there's any trenches, that would also result in a possibility What we could use nowadays are RC submersibles with radar equipment. We may not find much of the plane nowadays but anything is better than nothing.

I think this was a good overview of the three prevalent theories. I’ve mostly been in the “ran out of fuel and crashed into the ocean” camp, but the “Japanese capture” theory does seem to have some support. At the end regarding her legacy, you mentioned about her being a woman flying before women could vote. In the United States, women obtained the vote in 1920 when the 19th amendment was ratified.

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

Жыл бұрын

She started flying earlier in 1920 than the vote happened. :D So juuuuust barely before.

@SPAMDAGGER22

Жыл бұрын

They said born before, not flying before.

@BillKurn

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they said "born before". Also, it depends in what state you lived. Some states allowed women to vote before the 19th amendment was passed.

Nearby Gardner Island is 400 miles from Howland Is.

thanks for that video mate dammm good and yes she inspired my mother to become a pilot she was a glider pilot and won the austrailan airman ship medal for a recovery of her glider from 1000feet after the tow line to the tug plane broke at HAMS albotross NSW austraila im now off to watch startrek voyager 2.01 the 37's where they find amelia earheart on a planet after beening aducted by a UFO lol you never know they could be right lol

What was the one thing everyone forgets? I must have missed it.

@TheRflynn

Жыл бұрын

16:37 “her legacy”

@hal4192

Жыл бұрын

Click bait.

Her husband Putnam built the myth of the heroic female aviator with his newspapers. She was actually a very poor pilot with many crashes to her credit. Hollywood stunt pilot Paul Mantz tried to instructor her but believed she was unsafe. It's not surprising she died trying to exceed her abilities.

@ExiledStardust

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like something a misogynist man would say but ok

People forget she was a lousy pilot and some of her record flights were done with another person flying the plane.

the route shown for across Africa is 3700mi? there are cities just south of the Sahara, but did they have aviation fuel? Would following the northern edge coastal cities of Africa be better?

I’ve followed this event, since the late sixties when my Dad told me the story and he wondered what had happened to her. I’m convinced see landed on the reef at Gardner Island at low tide and was able to transmit radio signals for a few days at low tide before her plane was washed away off the reef.

Anyone here from reddit

The aircraft reportedly had military specification engines which led to the belief that it would perform covert operations if " accidentally" flown over Japanese controlled islands. Your understanding of radio direction finding loop antennas is incorrect.

@GhostKing6790

2 жыл бұрын

So she can fly 800 miles away on a half hour of gas left? Amelia's Electra had standard Pratt and Whitney engines fitted to any other lockheed. There is no proof she was captured by the Japanese, only based on eyewitness accounts. Whereas Navy communication records to recreating Noonan's navigation techniques put her close to howland.

I didn't know she flew a Curtiss F9C!