Wayton: The one skill you can’t improve even if you tried is… Me: Scoring open nets

@Styft-Winter._RL

10 ай бұрын

So true

@ouaisjsuisbelgeetquoi

10 ай бұрын

Fr

@qsol0

10 ай бұрын

Did you try slowing it down?

@The-color-violet

10 ай бұрын

Bro I scored a 9999999999999999999 mm tall/wide goal😎 **me missing all the mm goals before that 💀

@warlock_r

10 ай бұрын

Sometimes it's so bad you just forfeit out of embarrassment.

There is this thing called deliberate practice that musicians use a lot. you play your piece slow, like 50% speed and you play it at a very high degree of focus on and efficiency in movement of your hands. You would practice until its fully engrained in your brain, and only then do you turn up the metronome. this seems like the same concept. its certainly a good way to learn mechanics but i doubt it would have any effect on game sense and positioning, but i certainly will help with consistency.

@ThunderShock68

10 ай бұрын

This is absolutely true. You would rarely try to practice a new/difficult piece at the full intended speed until you've got to grips with the fundamentals first - after this vid it seems like a no brainer that practicing in RL like this can improve your mechanical precision and speed of decision making!

@drake4931

10 ай бұрын

I was gonna bring this up too, I use it a lot for getting my speed up on guitar

@Alikespan

10 ай бұрын

What can improve mind side of it is playing scrims 1v1 2v2 3v3 in SLO mo and then going to ranked with the same team

@17Valks

10 ай бұрын

5 year guitarist here and it's actually a fact

@CaitofFate

10 ай бұрын

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

Speed is improved with accuracy, just like a musical instrument. You practice as slow as you need to to play the music without a mistake. You do this enough, the finger positioning and timing becomes muscle memory. Then you can 0lay it faster. You practice as slow as you need to to get the perfect touch every time. Then you can do it without thinking, which equals faster.

@Goose____

10 ай бұрын

Interesting, seems like a good way of thinking of it yea, i definetly will try this

@MonsterMan-xp1wd

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

@remidmytryshyn8982

10 ай бұрын

True, but if you always practice slow and try to be accurate, when comes the time to speed up, your fingers won’t be accustomed to the speed, and you may hit a wall. So it’s also important to practice speed without too much concern for accuracy, that way when you do gain accuracy, the speed is already there. Both slow/accurate and quick/sloppy are necessary exercises

@Goose____

10 ай бұрын

@@remidmytryshyn8982 sounds like mixing both of them might be a good idea

@YaBoiJeffe

10 ай бұрын

@@remidmytryshyn8982 that practice also happens naturally in matches because you cant afford to be slow Take an air dribble for example When you practice the set up at the start, you roll it slowly towards the wall. You will rarely ever get the opportunity to do that above plat 3 - you have to do it quickly, and likely flip into the ball to get it to the wall. If you're doing a training pack, you will fly to the ball much slower than you would in a match because your one goal in training is to take the shot correctly (if you already know how you should take the shot) Of course you practice playing fast as well, I said it is like an instrument, not equal to an instrument.

I'd love to see this on a larger scale with a control group aswell. for example maybe find 10 GC1's and have them all do exactly 10 minutes warmup followed by 10 ranked games for a few weeks (maybe 15 days across a month, as it may be hard to find people who can 100% commit a few hours every single day to RL) and then have 5 do 100% speed warmups and the other 5 at a reduced speed. Also I'm curious, is there actual metrics for the "player speed" ? or are we just talking about the noticeable feeling that higher ranked players are faster, as I feel this video only showed that you personally felt faster after slowing the game down and that you played well, which doesn't actually answer whether you were in fact playing faster.

@kiiturii

10 ай бұрын

if they're gc, it'd be harder to find someone who doesn't have a few hours every day to commit to rl lol

@Immys_Art

10 ай бұрын

I tried this myself, and noticed that I was beating players a lot more than I usually do, even later on in my session. I am unsure if this is because of actually playing faster or if it was just confidence that I was playing faster than my opponents, meaning I did things without hesitation. Maybe it was something else entirely. Whatever the case, I saw results in my play, and if I hadn’t gotten two leavers in extremely winnable games (only down by one kinda games), I probably would’ve seen results in my rank (though, I did see a slight improvement in rank. Nothing that confirms anything about this warmup, though).

@omerelhassan9133

10 ай бұрын

@@kiiturii gc's already have no life. I wonder if that means pros are undead.

@BrawlLegendLink

10 ай бұрын

Agree on the statics part, sample size 1 just doesn't mean anything. There are actual speed metrics for your car's average speed (basically distance traveled / game time) and this probably is what Way to refers to. You can see your speed on replays on ballchasing

@kiiturii

10 ай бұрын

@@BrawlLegendLink when he's talking about speed, he doesn't literally mean your cars driving speed

I’ve always been one of the slower players in my friend group and I always find that I’m never fast enough to get a good touch on a fast aerial challenge so I really appreciate this vid and I will be trying the slo-mo warmup routine👍

@tubax926

10 ай бұрын

I believe people with a generally slower playstyle benefit more from having muscle memory and can build it up MUCH faster. Now naturally this slow mo routine would greatly help ANY player, but I'd recommend you really focus on learning skills and keenly watching out for opportunities to use these skills in real games. If you can build this patient playstyle you can be that demon that pops out right at your opponent's face in the moment they never expect. And be consistent, consistency is king for you.

@Fix2k24

10 ай бұрын

Did it work

@rowanjagersma6915

10 ай бұрын

@@tubax926I appreciate the tips👍

@kekgot

10 ай бұрын

Have you been trying this? How has this come along for you? @@rowanjagersma6915

lesson is "its not size the that matters, its how you use it"

@ouaisjsuisbelgeetquoi

10 ай бұрын

Hmm

@ouaisjsuisbelgeetquoi

10 ай бұрын

@X0XDisaQT wait what hum hum hmm uhh

@ouaisjsuisbelgeetquoi

10 ай бұрын

@@GamerEditz87655 not that's the opposite of what she aid

@trekkerzkid

10 ай бұрын

🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

@gameknight.thump1

Ай бұрын

Hmmm

Do the slow speed training, set it up in a 5 minute match, save the replay. Watch the replay, player view, on you, 200% speed. Just follow the game as best you can at high speed. Replay the game until you're able to follow without getting a headache. This trains your brain to operate at high speeds, when you go into a normal match, it will feel like everything is in slow motion. You will feel slow, but your reactions will be faster and more precise.

@TheOneTheOnlyOne

10 ай бұрын

Have you tested this out with any positive effects?

@TiMeToRn-

10 ай бұрын

@@TheOneTheOnlyOne Yeah I've done this with dribble training. Massive improvement with just a single session.

Love the video Wayton, always my number 1 to find things to try and help improve my game for no price, but 10-20 minutes

Holy! That was epic. Definitely going to try it out myself. Love your research-based approach to Rocket League.

“My record actually only ended up being 4-3…” “that number doesn’t do justice to how great I was actually performing” Story of my life man

I want to thank you so much for this video. I’ve been stuck in Champion 2 since season 10 and I know that’s not a long time since it is only Season 11 when writing this but to me it felt like a long time. I felt faster than my opponents in some games but completely out classed in others and I was getting kinda tilted as I would get to Division 4 consistently but never won more than 1 game in it until I deranked back to Division 2. Then I found this video and tried the slow mo at 80% game speed for 20 minutes and going back to free play for 5 minutes after every game. Then today, the day I watched the video I had a few back and fourth games losing some and winning some until I had an 8 game win streak to finally break into Champion 3 for the first time after starting the day in Division 2 and I feel so much faster and consistent now, so thank you Wayton, thank you so much.

i personally haven't seen anyone else mention this but i have tried warming up on faster speeds such as 1.3x-1.4x speed and while it makes your car control feel awful i feel as though once i get used to it and go back to normal speed i feel like i have the control of playing in slow mo and the extra time to think. it is a weird thing but it makes you feel like you play slow but you are actually playing fast.

@jeancasevenrl

10 ай бұрын

Nice tip, Ima try it ❤️

@Glyphnophis

10 ай бұрын

How did u speed up to 1.3 speed?

@AlmostBetterThanExpected

10 ай бұрын

​@@Glyphnophisprobably bakkes mod if it's not already in the game

@alexisvillanueva1916

10 ай бұрын

@@Glyphnophis this was literally mentioned in the video. I can already tell what kind of students you guys were in school LMAO.

This is interesting because it reminds me of how I used to learn songs on musical instruments. I realized one day that after I had mastered a song, I could play it much faster than normal speed without it really being difficult. So I started to learn songs at half speed until I felt like I had mastered them, then moving up to full speed was totally easy. I might have to give this technique a try

This helped me greatly. I have always been the slow in every game I play but I can bite back. Time to watch all the other videos you made.

Finally a new vid. I was waiting for so long...

Great video, you definitely changed my view of slow-mo as a tool to improve.

Something I also do with freeplay is lower my FPS from 170 to 60, play for about 10-15 minutes, and then change the FPS back up to 170. Makes me feel a lot quicker and more consistent.

@DaDucko12

10 ай бұрын

I couldnt imagine going to 60 fps from being at 300-400 fps. 60 fps just feels way too slow to even touch the game to me

@FrutoseDeMorango

10 ай бұрын

@@DaDucko12 If your screen is 60hz, then there's no difference at all

@FrutoseDeMorango

10 ай бұрын

If your screen is 60hz, then there's no difference at all

@skibiditoiletsigma88

10 ай бұрын

@@FrutoseDeMorangoframetimes decrease with lower fps meaning your game looks more jagged

@brel_

10 ай бұрын

@@FrutoseDeMorango 60hz only locks your monitors fps to 60 if you have vsync on. no sane person has vsync on

I love seeing you enjoy the game!

Really well done. The Slo Mo Guys speed up and slow down sound effects were a nice touch.

I've always thought slow speed was the most overlooked tool KZreadrs rarely talk about. It helped me learn air dribbles, ground to air, air roll right, ceiling shots, and most recently even flip resets. It's not so great for helping me use it in-game though, but for actually learning a mech it's been wonderful.

In the speedcubing community, a great way to practice is to go slow and consistent. Don’t try to turn the cube so fast that you’re barely even able to follow what you’re doing, and make steady turns. This helps with a thing called “look-ahead” which is just seeing what you’re gonna do next while you’re doing one thing. It’s past ally the same as what you did with playing in slow mo

So back when i peaked in 3s at 1880 mmr, i did this method. I was a 1500-1600 player but warming up this way soared me up the rank ladder. Here is one thing to note tho: dont do this every single day. Eventually the placebo will wear off and can make things worse for your play (slump). Try maybe 1-2 weeks on and then dont do it for a similar amount of time to reset.

I actually tried this out myself and it worked like a charm I was dominating my ranked games and destroying ppl. Thanks so much for this huge tip. It's definitely gonna be a game changer

Happy for your success!) I guess I should try too

Very interesting concept. Lately I've been playing a lot better because I am being a lot more controlled, and everything I do has a reason behind it, which leads me to outplay my opponents. Doing this does make me seem faster but I think speed here is only the effect of the higher level of control, not the cause. I found others' comparisons with musical instruments very adequate, because starting slow helps you reeeally get the muscle memory and the basics down to the point where you can apply them more effectively and with more nuances later, which in-game makes you look faster as you're always on step ahead.

Love your videos!!

There's actually a concept in learning that says for most skills you're trying to learn, you want to hit about a 15% error rate while you're learning. The times where you mess up are actually what sparks growth. Now I am into aim training and one of the easiest ways to alter your error rate when trying to aim is to adjust the speed of the targets up or down to try and get into that zone of 15%-ish error rate. Rocket League is mechanically very difficult. By playing at a slower speed, its possible that your error rate was altered to be in this Goldilocks zone where the brain learns fastest and lead to improvement at a faster level than would otherwise be achieved with a higher rate of errors. I'd be interested to see if there's a correlation between rank and optimal training speed. I think its possible that the lower ranked you are, the slower the game speed you need to hit that error threshold and its why very high level players don't see much benefit from it. They're already so good at the game that 100% speed is likely above the threshold. You see this in aim training too where the best aimers end up playing training scenarios that are way, way harder than any in game situation ever could be. So I also wonder if very high level players might tip into actually finding that they improve faster mechanically on a higher speed that actually challenges them and causes errors. Great video! A lot to think about and very interesting stuff.

As his tactics works, you see the happiness in his face.

I find it good that you are saying it was my bad in this game or somthing like that so you dont blame your team8

i remmember one study on average gamers whose sensitivity was upped from their usual, and that resulted in increased accuracy. reason was something along the lines 'your brain has to adopt and thus it is working harder and you are thus more concetrated'. someone can probably link a video about that, as i watched it long ago.

Daium, gotta try this myself, nice video!

Thank you for this information, I will be using this. When I play fast, and I'm thinking fast I outpace GC's i have faced like last night. I'm C3 and I do good against GC's in cas, but when I switched to ranked I'm slow and passive because I am nervous. If I can keep that confidence I have in cas, and bring it into ranked I believe I will get GC soon.

Thanks for the info I really need to improve my game

Thank you Wayton

In motorsports we refer to this as "Slow is fast" to preach doing things correctly is more important than doing them quickly, the speed will come as you consistently execute accurately. Kinda like measure twice, cut once.

I think focus is a big part of why this can be successful and also understanding how a mechanic works. I know understanding what I need to do is a big part of being successful in my mechanics.

i would of also tried the faster training, in my mind i would assume that if you are used to the fast pace you would feel like you had way more time to think about your play and control your car accordingly . If you want more mechanical plays i think faster might be better cause your brain will be able to process each play with "more time" but that would have to be experimented on. I have actually tried this tactic on other games that require speed and it helps a lot, also don't know if its true but the reason why you play 'better' after a slow training session is because you just feel like your playing faster even though its probably the same speed. This feeling makes you want to react quicker and then allows you apply to your game.

I've currently only watched about 3 minutes in. But a good thing I learned is speed is not the focus there, it's pace. you want to be fast a lot and when you can but you want to have the dicipline to slow down when you can, if you zoom zoom across the map holding boost you become very predictable. it's a deadly combination when you can control the pace of the game.

Another epic upload from my favorite rocket league KZreadr

Subconscious decision making is so key in this game

This is the same principle which makes sensitivity randomizers a beneficial tool for training in FPS games. The forced active engagement of your brain tends to force a "higher level of play" for a period of time in which the active engagement continues, and there's a sweetspot where you can mix comfort with the level of change required to maintain engagement where you can perform possibly even within 90+% of your normal peak play. The "active mental engagement" is also how you rewire your brain to improve baseline mechanical play, as at some point you will eventually slip back into autopilot even with a sensitivity randomizer present unless you significantly adjust the randomization behavior. It took me 2-3 weeks, for example.

You're on the right path, as are many of the comments I see below. There's an art to learning how to implement both under-speed and over-speed practice (yes, that's useful too, at the right time and in the right way) to improve your rate of learning, refine and solidify your muscle memory, and increase your observation/processing speed in game, but done properly, it's hugely effective. The only top player I see who seems to have a decent grasp of how to do it is Zen, and even he has only really scratched the surface. If pros were practicing correctly for at least an hour or two a day, the skill ceiling would be getting pushed much higher much more quickly than it is now.

Since as long as I can remember (started playing in 2015, don't remember when the slo mo feature was added) my warmup match has been a 1v2 (Unfair) bot match, followed by a 1v3 and then a few 1v4s. I'm not good by any means, but it helps me know where I need to be. THAT is speed. Not necessarily being the fastest to get around, but being the most efficient in getting where the ball will be.

One thing that's missed here is the effect this has on mechanically inclined players. There's diminishing returns if you're already mechanical but I think this is probably the best tool for players that struggle with car control

I will try this out appreciate it

im in champ 1 and i’ve been trying to figure out how to use the slo mo feature to improve. i even would start solo private matches with the slo mo mutator turned on before they added slo mo to free play. this vid is gonna help me improve so much

I was just thinking recently, in tandem with these exercises, there could be some correlation with the placebo of using a "heavier" looking car during the slower practice runs while using a "lighter" car in game, be it size of details, it could amplify the effects of the slow mode in training packs without actually reducing the speed to an unmanagable/enjoyable level.

Finally, another video

This is true with everything in life. Focus first on doing it right and slow. Speed comes naturally. You engrain mistakes when you try to speed up too early, and it ironically slows progress to unlearn those engrained mistakes. The takeaway: Love yourself enough to be patient with yourself.

In fighting you need an internal dialogue, same applies with effectively doing anything in life that requires mental rigidity. Try to calculate what the shot will do and how the opponents/teammates will react. In chess youre trying to be 3 steps ahead

i couldn't learn directional airroll until i grinded ring maps with slow motion then gradually increasing the speed

Thanks so much I am going to try this 😊❤

@noahguttormsen

10 ай бұрын

No you are not the real one

Wayton never misses with his videos. Another banger

@slovnicurling9808

10 ай бұрын

Sure except that this video is total bullcrap. I know it makes you feel better about your skill but it's just simply not true.

This makes sense, when you start learning an instrument you also have to start so slow you almost get bored, you have to be 100% comfortable to play accurate. With time you get faster automatically since muscle memory becomes more fluent and you have to concentrate less besides some hard sections. Now that I think about it. Trying to learn mechanics in RL with 100% speed is kinda inefficient, because you mess up way more until you get better and even then you might develope bad habits that won't come up when playing so slow you get it 100% down. You also would need to slowly ramp up the speed so you won't get overwhelmed jumping to 100% speed again.

this is kind of where I'm at now. im able to play way faster than ever but my mechanics and game sense hasn't quite caught up while playing at that speed. definitely something to keep working on

Man i love the videos

I found that I had a better intuition on reading the balls flight path after doing a half hour warm up in a custom boomer mode, small ball to present an accuracy trainer, high speed ball physics to make me think faster than I’m used to, and slightly higher gravity to train chips and double touches a little easier, after doing this for a week I went from gold 2 in ones to plat 2,

Finally u uploaded

yea I've done slo-mo and when i go back to normal speed it feels weird and it feels like my car is going way faster than it actually is and I mess up sometimes because of it but doing that can help you play faster if you use it the right way because in can do more harm then good if you do use it the wrong way and much love wayton keep up the good work

I thought I was way behind on this concept. They recently added slow mo into training for console, I use it before every session and feel super speedy in my first couple games. I have the same reaction everytime too, and my confidence is thru the roof. Glad im actually ahead of the curve

@slovnicurling9808

10 ай бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble but people are doing this for years...

Wow you drop a video on why "Speed" is #1... The same day I drop "Master Your Movement" We play KZread at the same speed lol

@Wackingmember-0

10 ай бұрын

Yes

finaly you back to youtube :)

How do you think slow mo fits into the full warmup? Is it good to use it with training packs? Only in free play? Is there such thing as “too much” slow no?

Climbed from d3 to c1 div 4 after trying this. I think thats that worked for me. Thank you!

finally a new vid

really good editing

AYYYY wayton uploaded

@EmbrsRL

10 ай бұрын

LMAOOO

Very good experiment and vid

Learning music uses the same principle. If there's a section that is hard to get, you slow it down and practice it until you get it perfect at that tempo. Then, you repeat the same thing, but a few BPM higher. Repeat this until you reach the written tempo. Otherwise, you'll compensate the part and play it close, but never correct.

wayton would u recommend using slow mo to learn air roll control? and if so what speed would u recommend

Someone: does anything slightly exciting Wayton: LETS GO, DUDE!

Love ur vids

i remember i did this once purely messing around in freeplay with the TAS plugin on and when i did it for like an hour straight and my friend hopped on for 2's, i've never felt more fresh and at my best peak, its just weird for the brain itself.

There is a saying in german martial arts that translated goes like "being slow is precise and being precise is fast". Which basically plays into this whole idea. You train slow, so you perfect the movements and when the movement is better you can do it faster. So it sounds like this way is perfect to train mechanics

I used slowmo to make some mental break-throughs in aerial control. I bumped from c1 to c3 with just like a few training sessions, cause my mind flipped.

I tried training at 75% and once I got in a game it felt like I was way more hyper focused and everything else in the game seemed drastically slower slower which idk if anyone else has that same feeling but I was definitely peaking, gonna keep training like this from now on thx Wayton

It's also great for low level players. Learning how to keep the ball on top of your car at a slower speed helps see how a slight adjustment, such as tapping the gas(mhhhm) or braking (oof) helps or hurts you. Helps keep on the balls shadow. Also will help with directional air roll and see what each adjustment does. I like 85% it's slow, but not 50% slow😂

ive been doing this technique since the release of this video, i went from 1304 (C3 div 2) to 1485 (GC 1 div 2)

Hey Wayton, can you make a Video about how to be more consistent in Rocket leugue?

I Love your Vids ❤❤❤

DualView gave me the answer, 3 years ago. You, you just gave me the plan. Now it's time to train

For anyone wondering, this works for any skill. Work at a slower pace perfecting the craft/skill. Over time the muscle memory will kick in and speed will come naturally.

I think statistics is beautiful and your channel embodies that

Win rate is a stat that goes up as you go up. But it also works against you as everyone else's win rate at that level is the same, ergo, eventually they cancel out and it plateaus.

Waytoney you're awesome Man 😮 I increased 2 divisions in 1 hour after watching your video. Really it's a brain hack 🤯

its something i have been implementing, i do about 3 mins of 50% and then move to 90% for another 10mins then while i wait for queue i do normal speed and it been working well for me as well, went on a 12-2 day today.

Nice video! So should you warm up at 75% or 90%? Or is it preference? 👀

cant wait to see the wayton hitting ssl video in like 2 weeks

That method is so cool. I‘ve always the problem that my opponents are faster than me. Perhaps I‘m finally able to rank up to Dia 3 or even Champ

Freeplay in slow mo and workshop rings in fast mo is the best

Hey Wayton, I was wondering, would this work in 1s, like if my duo and I did slo mo for 10 mins?

Let’s go new vid ❤😮😊

I've got something else like that, some kind of brain hack to make the game feel slower. Just analyse one or two replay at 200% speed before going in and I'm like "Am I going supersonic ? That slow!" sometimes Maybe a combination of slow mo freeplay so the brain can understand each move required, and fast replay analysis could be a good trick

WAYTON??? GO BRONCOS!!! BSUUUU

As a fairly high level geometry dash player, just getting into rocket league now, I can say that, we use speed hacks, or slow motion, all the time when we practice levels, just so we can understand the layout of the level with the final goal in mind being completing it at full speed, sort of like this, but for rocket league scenarios.

My friend used to do this to us in a private match but he’d turn it down as far as he could to the point that playing matches after just destroyed our ability to play I feel like 75-90% that you were using is so much better

U should add a kind of control group to these types of vids. Like 1 week normal warmup and ranked, 1 week with experiment. There’s nothing to compare it to so these results could easily be normal for u. Interesting vid nonetheless!

This video is amazing, I just don't see how the title matches 😂

Wait so what’s the end decision , what’s the best percentage to use slow mo on ?

I love this content