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These stories are very, very entertaining to me. The world of Judo, BJJ and Jujitsu is by far my favorite topic. As we go into the new year, I want to thank Chadi for all of his hard work, dedication and research.

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

I truly appreciate it

@Chadi Great content as always. I am a Relson Gracie Black Belt and a Judoka. There used to be quite alot more emphasis on standing techniques the closer you get to Helio and Carlos. Relson's Black belt test consists almost exclusively of standing techniques with the emphasis on throwing while keeping standing. All Self-defense oriented. Many techniques are from the Goshin Jutsu Kata, some just "Old School Kano Jiu Jitsu "😉. All important to know in my opinion. I'd love to chat with you some day!

As we know, history frequently repeats itself. Royce Gracie fought the olympian judoka Yoshida two times, losing to the judoka in the first bout due to a controversial interruption by the judge, when Yoshida seemed to had catched Gracie in a sode guruma jime. Unsatisfied, the Gracie asked for a second fight, this time with a similar ruleset as these old Gracies-vs-Ono fights. However, this time it worked against them... Royce Gracie was very dominant, but as there was no points, the bout was declared a draw 😂, with Gracie's family member complaining and claiming victory. They fell victims of their own strategy of ruleset...

@keropnw3425

7 ай бұрын

Yoshida's leg was severely injured in that second match because it was a mere 2 months after his defeat by Wanderlei, in addition Royce cheated by not wearing the gi top and throwing multiple groin kicks against Yoshida in the beginning of the fight. Neither fighter was in danger of being knocked out despite Royce landing more ground and pound near the end of the fight. The Gracies definitely offered the fight right after the Wanderlei one only intentionally, and didn't accept Yoshida's challenge to a 3rd fight to clear up the draw.

@m5a1stuart83

7 ай бұрын

The Gracies are known for changing rulesets since the beginning. They are good at marketing and story teller.

@sanda-wingchun

7 ай бұрын

@@keropnw3425 True.

@Shadowrulzalways

7 ай бұрын

@@m5a1stuart83Yep. They are sore losers at the end of the day.!

@graciederangementsyndrome3669

7 ай бұрын

Royce never lost to Yoshida in the first bout. It was a premature stoppage. Yoshida tried to go for a sleeve choke but another camera angle shown Royce was blocking Yoshida's hand from completely crossing his neck: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIKW0a2nkayaeJM.html

Rhonda Rousey's mother won an olympic gold medal in Judo by using newaza submissions to beat her opponents. This was due to her knees being double jointed and dislocated easily with many judo throws in Tachiwaza. So she used newaza to defeat opponents with submissions.

People forget that Royce, Renzo and Rickson never pulled guard. Royler had a modified game similar to today where he would combine takedown with a guard pull. He was a successful jiu jitsu competitor but not vale tudo. Chadri do a video on the Jiu Jitsu guys who had great takedown like Rickson, Machado brothers. RIBEIROs, Leo Vieira, marcello garcia, buchecha, Terere, and others.

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

Sure

@Anonymous-yh4ol

7 ай бұрын

I love this comment. Such a great point. Thank you

@vids595

7 ай бұрын

I believe they may have pulled guard, when they knew that their opponents standing grappling was superior to their own. Not saying it was common but it might have occurred at least once or twice.

@atshabal

7 ай бұрын

Rickson knows some judo but he is average Rolls had the best pure judo wrestling among them

@oliversacks3837

7 ай бұрын

@@atshabal”Rickson knows some judo”. Rickson is a Black Belt in Judo who studied under a famous Brazilian Judoka (The same one Rolls trained under).

Chadi good content but you miss the point the Gracies made the tatami soft so when landing did not hurt so much, Kimura vs Helio gracie. From the Master Jigoro Kano 1918 in self defense in real combant which remains the ultimate goal, one should be focused mainly on atime - waza a nage- waza and only sporadically on ne- waza only as a last option and against a single adversary. A real Judoca must be very good at this 3 sets.

Another fantastic video, chadi

I think all in all it is as easy as Jon Bluming explained. He began with (after maybe Boxing) Judo and continued with Kyukushin Karate. He made his Budokai from the latter as his MM-Fighting. He was asked if he is also of the opinion if Muay Thai is the most effective style. He admitted but added that there is no ground program. Crocop Filipovic integrated all into his Croatian MMA - Jiujitsu and strikes on the ground with all body parts.

Thanks for your exhaustive researches and passion! It's never too late to begin Judo if you have it in you. De Quebec, Canada qui pratique au Dojo de Beauport.

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

Merci bien Pascal

I greatly appreciate your content Chadi. Thank You!

Id say with the modernization of BJJ, there are very few pure judoka’s now and days that could survive the matches you described in the video. The solution: Judo blackbelts that can’t fight on the ground should be demoted to brown and vice versa BJJ blackbelts that can’t do takedowns, Demoted

@johng7681

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I trained BJJ for two years and never practiced takedowns. I did six months of judo to cross train and officially switched as the dojo I go to does about 50/50 tachi-waza and Newaza. After six months of judo I was taking people down into dominate positions and immediately submitting them in BJJ. BJJ practitioners get a false sense of security about their ground game when they can’t secure a takedown into a position of dominance. Judo practitioners do the same when they don’t keep going after the takedown.

@holdenmuganda97

7 ай бұрын

I mean define fight on the ground. Even good judo people in newaza aren’t going to have extensive ground fighting ability compared to BJJ guys. They may have a couple of good moves but that’s it’s. It’s the same in reverse for bjj guys and takedowns.

@m5a1stuart83

7 ай бұрын

Blame it to IJF not the person. Before IJF banned leg grabbing, Judoka can play around with BJJ and even win ADCC. But not one single BJJ Purist can win a Judo GrandSlam.

Chadi, you are paying an enormously great service in favor of the truth in the art we so much love. It is so important to disclose the facts and state them in such a way. Congratulations, keep up the good work.

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

Wow! Your words are very dear to me, thank you so much

Great video as usual Chadi!

Amazing footage. I saw a few of the techniques that I'm drilling for my white belt curriculum. Authentic Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I train at Kama Jiu Jitsu in Flower Mound, TX near Dallas Fort Worth metroplex. white belt curriculum. Amazing. Lineage: Grandmaster Rickson Gracie, Master Dave Kama, Professor Ryan Young. I wish I could do this full time

今の日本はブラジリアン柔術が普及しています。 柔道はフランスが理想的とか。 古流柔術は途絶えたものもあり、多くの流派が絶滅寸前。 日本よ。 これで良いのかと思う。 私も古流柔術を学で、挫折してブラジリアン柔術だもの

I love the demystifying of the Gracies Jiu Jitsu. BJJ has become cult like and it is good to know there is truth out there about their rivalry with japanese judokas.

@JEFFMAN90

Ай бұрын

Judo is even more cult like. Stop hating on BJJ and focus growing your dying art

Imagine if the match was done on cement instead of a boxing ring?

Major Early Judo / Ju Jitsu streams Early Japanese Judo / Ju Jitsu instructors They were very influential in the future development in the countries they migrated to ("colonized"). Just like Kempo in the US. Early Judo self defense Judo chop (slap) as opposed to fists (as in classic movies and TV) Wrestling influence and lacking wrist locks (more grips and hooks) European Ju Jitsu (Germany) (more similar to Karate) Wrist locks (Police) and atemi waza (atemi so similar they can be found in Australia performed almost identically) I was looking into weapons (the cane from Britain) it was so similar I was stunned. Others Created from classical Ju Jutsu schools (usually complex and hard to apply practically)

@Anonymous-yh4ol

7 ай бұрын

Such a great point. Thank you

32 times thrown, on concrete that will be broken back... spinal.

Great to see you arm barring from all angles :)

0:46 it's "Trapalhões", a brazilian comedy show 😂😂😂😂

Thks &; I would suggest close-in/melee fighting only occurs when the competitors assume there are some type of equitable competition rules that won’t be broken like in sports or at-least mutually agreed upon rules. For example assume you're playing a deadly game with absolutely no rules especially no mutually agreed upon rules that can be relied upon like in sports. Any form of melee entanglement, leaves you open to attack by a 3rd party (ex: sniper). Another example, your opponent will try to lure you into melee situations where his skill is high/advantaged or your skill is low/disadvantaged. In a nutshell if you misjudge the rules of a darwinian cut-throat competition in any way, shape, or form ; usually you will lose. Therefore I say it best to avoid having to depend on competitive rules for survival & a quantity/comfort/quality-of-life worth living-for. Conversely depending on mutually cooperative rules is a much wiser strategy. So I practice avoiding entanglement with opponents (& that really takes much situational awareness skills). Only if absolutely necessary do I engage in any sort of competitive melee/entanglement. If-so, I focus-on offense when we enter/exit each others’ attack zones ; defense while I'm in his attack zone ; I don't loiter within his attack zone at all ; & I disengage as soon as practical. Really rarely do I ever got-into close-in/melee arguments or fights. When I do, it's because I dropped my guard against it. Oh I do pre-war stand-up jitsu/aikido out of Okinawa. It has kept me as well as my career alive & well.

Chadi, excelent research as usual, thank you so much. Just dont agree (respectfuly) with the opinion that someone held is own in a match where it got thrown 20+ times. I get the rule set aspect, but from a self defense point of view (which i guess was the most important aspect in the earlier days) im pretty sure he would be, at least, severly injured if thrown against a floor or street like that, for example. Just an opinion. Thanks again, keep it up!

even on Chrismas chadi is giving us gifts

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

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According to George Mehdi sensei, the Gracies only fought on the ground because they didan't know how to throw. And if you check Kano sensei writings, he changed the curriculum for Judo, making it 75% standing and only 25% ne-waza because, in his words, fighting on the ground was way easier than standing, so anyone who learn tachi-waza would easily learn ne-waza.

Chadi, you showed some sklills on the ground, but don't take it personaly, against a BJJ blue you would not have a chance! All your oponents made a wrong defence in atempt to counter the armbar. On the topic throw, I agreed that you may have advantage, considering the fact the regular BJJ dojo almost do not training take downs and have in mind the judo posture, cause today a few academys, included mine, have wrestling training programs that is better for BJJ competition.

@Mf-ytchannel

7 ай бұрын

Not commenting on Chadis game since I don’t know him, but generally speaking most Judoka’s will struggle with experienced BJJ practitioners on the ground assuming the judoka CHOOSES to engage in ground fighting. If the bjj practitioner is playing from the bottom (like after being thrown) the judoka/wrestler can almost always just disengage, stand up and continue to toss the bjj guy like a ragdoll. There’s no rule (outside of bjj) that forces someone to have to play inside someone else’s guard. This is why you don’t see more guard pulling in mma and guard pullings overall effectiveness has declined as people have become exposed to it. Obviously this assumes similar amounts of experience in their respective arts, a bjj black belt will find a way to retain his guard on a novice wrestler/judoka, but that’s not really surprising. As far as Wrestling v. Judo goes, they’re both effective and it’s ignorant to say one is better than the other for bjj. Ashi-waza, and hip throws with minimal back exposure are used at the highest level of both bjj and mma. Look at the last ADCC and you’ll see Judo in display precisely because of the lack of risk of getting sprawled on or gullotined. See Fedor, Khabib, Islam, Karo, Ronda, Rhadi Ferguson, the Routolo brothers, satoshi ishii, etc for more. All 3 of the grappling arts are effective at what their aims are and stand to gain from learning from one another. Belts while helpful don’t signify a whole lot as competitions are individual v individual. I’m sure there are blue belts that Chadi could tap and vise versa. D1 wrestlers are white belts at both the other sports but that doesn’t mean he won’t out grapple a higher belt.

@vids595

7 ай бұрын

Chadi is a serious guy and in good shape. A newer blue belt that wasn't physically strong might have a lot of trouble with him.

@m5a1stuart83

7 ай бұрын

Is Ippon allowed? If yes those Bluebelt doesnt stand a chance.

@badart3204

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@m5a1stuart83that’s ignoring the point. He’s saying on the ground Chadi would struggle with ground fighting. Ippon is not ground fighting.

So who wants to see all the ancient art from Japan and surrounding arias both showing what was wrong with that and that it was done before jujitsu was written anywhere

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@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

🙇🏻‍♂️

They should have fought on a less forgiving surface.

Hey I have a question. What were the rules of their fights? 20+ throws were not enough to end the match?

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

Submission or ko, or draw if time ran out

@jujitsuheroes

7 ай бұрын

@@Chadi thanks for the answer

jutjutsu made the rule to suit them or made the rule in favor to them. so jujitsu not suited in street with no rule everything goes...

@badart3204

7 ай бұрын

To be fair the kings of the street are numbers and weapons. Ask that wrestler the Gracie’s assaulted with pipes how well being the superior martial artist helped him. Judo also makes rules for its own advantage/safety such as no striking in sparring. The judo grip fighting game changes a lot when someone can punch you in the face

Kimura took BJJ to the cleaners, it should have ended BJJ, but the Gracie pride was too much.

Hey Chadi! I am a BJJ guy, I'll be getting my brown belt soon. My daughter is 2 and I plan to train her privately in her younger age around 4-6. I want to ask how the Kodokan and Jigoro Kano thought how kids training should go. I don't trust putting her in BJJ right away. I want to structure her training traditionally.

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

Judo is very structured for kids, a great balance for stand up and ground and safe

@m5a1stuart83

7 ай бұрын

Judo is better, both my kids are currently training Judo. By doing that, their IQ increased so much that my daughter now have good result in academy, she was late speaking and unable to read until age of 7. After I put her into Judo and learn the motoric system of Judo, she is now in better shape and greatly increased in IQ and EQ. Judo is good, find a good teacher, they will be fine.

The title of this video is false. There was a school of Japanese jiu-jitsu that was very ground-based before Count Koma went to Brazil. This school of Japanese jiu-jitsu was so effective that Jigaro Kano allowed Tsunetane Oda to include newaza in his judo training. Count Koma learned these methods, and that is why he could teach groundfighting to the Gracies. It is also important to note that Kano's jiu-jitsu included a lot of striking. Early copies (pre-1937) of the book "The Complete Kano Jiu-jitsu" included information about striking, including charts of "vital points". When Kano was lobbying to have Japanese schools teach martial arts for fitness, he removed what he felt were the most dangerous methods and introduced the sport of judo with rules that have changed a lot over the years. The groundfighting was very good, but rules favoring takedowns and throws caused most judoka to focus mainly on those parts of the art. Without the heavy influence of Tsunetane Oda, Gracie jiu-jitsu would not be what it is today. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6yXo8qrlJfSerA.htmlsi=uW1eMyczfpMiECmJ

@user-vg8ls2jn4i

7 ай бұрын

Chadi knows, bro. He has made so many videos about what you just talked about

@joatanpereira4272

7 ай бұрын

he is talking about how Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came to favor ground game

@m5a1stuart83

7 ай бұрын

@@joatanpereira4272 BJJ sure favor the ground game, Judo evolved from Kodokan to Kosen and from Kosen there will be BJJ to the Gracie, Machado and Fadda. Kodokan still acknowledge Newaza to some extent but not as many as BJJ with unlimited time on the ground.

The cardinal sin of Brazilian jiu-jitsu is not its focus on groundwork that's brilliant. It's fatal flaw is the enculturated popularity of putting yourself in an inferior striking position in order to fish for submissions. By trying to game the rules rather than win the "fight" the modern sport of Brazilian jiu-jitsu has betrayed its roots. If I'm on the mat with someone I believe has Superior takedowns or in the ring with someone who has Superior striking I'm going to at least go for a sacrifice throw to initiate groundwork...

In my experience it seems like 2 years of judo takedowns is worth about 5 years of BJJ takedowns, and 2 years of BJJ ne waza is worth about 5 of judo ne waza. You really need good standing and ground game though. I saw a fight where a BJJ guy fought a muay thai fighter. The BJJ guy's takedowns were lacking, and since muay thai has fair takedown defense he had trouble taking him down. The couple of times he did take him down he had a clear advantage, but the muay thai guy managed to survive and get up. He ended up pretty much beating the BJJ guy to a pulp by the end of the match and won. If the BJJ guy had better takedowns though, he would've had many more opportunities to submit him on the ground. A judo guy on the other hand would have almost no trouble taking him down, but if his ne waza was weak he might have trouble sealing the deal on the ground. So maybe we need a hybrid competition with one round of judo and one round of BJJ. Like Shidokan karate with its round of kickboxing, round of full contact (kyokushin) rules, and round of point fighting.

@johng7681

7 ай бұрын

Check out Freestyle Judo. They allow much more time on the ground like old school Judo comps. The comps are through AAU. Unfortunately, there’s not much of it around.

There are no bjj world champions who are not proficient in a least a few takedowns. That's silly.

@hubertcumberdale9056

7 ай бұрын

2/10, being too obvious with your trolling.

@JEFFMAN90

Ай бұрын

That's a lie and you know it

The argument presented here has a problem. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as a competitive style was already specialized in ground grappling before the Gracies faced Ono. The “jiu-jitsu” ruleset stablished in Brazil, used when the Gracies started to fight, demanded that the fight had to be won on the ground. Not only that, but the Gracies had to know how to fight on the ground because of the fights against other styles of wrestling. Both can be verified not only by Helio´s, but George Gracie´s many fights before facing the Ono brothers. For anyone that want to verify that, just look for George´s fights against Omori, Manoel Fernandes, Dudu, Shigeo, Jack Conley, Zbysko, Ruhmann…. All of them before the fight against Ono. Actually, Yasuichi Ono was hired by Kid Pratt to train Ruhmann to fight the Gracies on the jiu-jitsu rules, precisely because Ono became known as a newaza specialist in São Paulo. Also, Helio never faced Naoichi. There might be a mistake in historical events here. Masagoishi was the fighter that was tested by the pugilistic federation, facing Takeo Yano. He later fought against Helio and lost. Masagoishi did so bad against Helio that he was suspended by the federation due to “technical dificiency”. While Masagoishi was a Judo black belt, and sumo wrestler, he had no clue how to fight on the ground. The second fight of Helio against Ono was a result of the japanese Judo community in Brazil having felt that Masagoishi´s terrible loss affected Japanese fighters reputation.

Name me one world champion that has no takedowns? Funny that in those free fights people get thrown 20-50 times, but still it does nothing and the fight goes on. Judo is pure fantasy and they pretend that one throw is enough to end the fight - in reality, it is more often that the fight begins with the throw, not the opposite. Look at Gordon and Nicky Rod and then talk about who has takedowns and who dont.

Ono punch George because George strike first but judge didnt see George strike but saw Ono throw the punch. For me it was something set up for Ono to lose.