The Seven armies not in the "forces of Fantasy" book or the "Ravening Hordes" Book are not available yet. As soon as these are available i will make the videos and add them to the playlist. Daemons Skaven Lizardmen Dark Elves Ogre Kingdoms Vampire Counts Chaos dwarfs Coming soon!

@peisenxu952

7 ай бұрын

Were there any hints in the rulebook (images etc) that imply where rarer units like Monstrous Arcanum etc will be included? Great batrep over on the MWG channel btw. Classic handheld style, much better than the in-house GW one. Obviously only asking about the stuff (rulebook) that you can tell us about :)

@kempo79

7 ай бұрын

Did you guys get a preview of legacy PDF files?

@matthewwood982

7 ай бұрын

Must have done if he played Lizardmen? I'm very interested in these@@kempo79

@emprahsfinest7092

7 ай бұрын

I think I read those armies won't be supported anytime for the near future, so I will likely be a few years before we see them.

@stuntman083

7 ай бұрын

GW said the other day that the legacy armies will not be part of Old World, they have PDF rules just to let people try the game, but they will be dropped eventually and currently banned from tournaments

About the Regeneration why Troll can't heal and likely some others like Hydra. I have imagined the fire kills the tissue and the wound doesn't heal back for that reason. Can't grow back the meat if it has burned. Dunno what's the original lore but that's how I've imagined regeneration generally. But for something like a Skeletons & Zombies it's that if limb gets taken off, there's a chance they can still act well. Depends how big the wound is.

@tigirus4656

7 ай бұрын

It's like with the story of Heracles and the hydra, the idea is a cauterized wound won't naturally heal so stuff like trolls and hydras don't get regen against fire. However things like zombies and skeletons aren't naturally healing just standing back up with magic so fire doesn't work.

You gents kept this rolling...and now it's back officially. Well done.

As a 40 year old man it is my duty to appear in the comments of every one of these videos to register my general approval about the return of Fantasy but let everyone know that THIS particular edition is inferior to the Warhammer Fantasy from back in my day. Without such things as Skaven, Kids These Days will never know the horror of having one of your warpfire thrower teams roll a misfire. As they explode in a column of pale green fire along with half of the nearby Stormvermin regiment, your horror turns to grudging amusement as they fail their break test and trigger a general rout. How else is this generation going to build character?

@user-qi1jc1yn3o

7 ай бұрын

You are so young 😊

@benbiddiss336

7 ай бұрын

They may not be “officially “ supporting them. Now, but I reckon the third faction book we’ll see eventually , will be what’s going on in lustria. Dark Elves, shaven, lizards, possibly vampire counts using the almanac to push Sartosa… (wishful thinking but possible)

@Stonehorn

7 ай бұрын

I’ve been playing 30 years. Those armies don’t make the game.

@negatorxx

7 ай бұрын

OR, you can use your warhammer models to play a superior game: Kings of war. Stop complaining about a garbage company that makes garbage rules and enjoy using your minis in a system that isnt trash.

@edoardoluppi6455

7 ай бұрын

​@@negatorxxit would be better for everyone mate, but oh no, you have to live or die based on what GW does apparently

Awesome, guys! So glad to see you guys working with the new (Old?) fantasy system! ⚔️🛡️🔥

I have to say that I think I prefer man Reads Book more than I do Man Reads Phone. Great to see that fantasy is coming back and I am as excited as I was when you guys were playing Warhammer Armies Project so now I am excited for what you deliver 😊

This feels like Warhammer's Greatest Hits.

Thanks for the review my dudes. This is what I wish more of the community was like. Just enjoying the hobby and having fun.

I know many people will disagree but I really hope this goes the way of Middle Earth rather than 40k or Sigmar. I'm really scared of constant meta-shifts, erratas, power-creep etc. Middle Earth is the best system because its mostly left alone.

@AM-uw3gp

7 ай бұрын

Yeah if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, i haven’t played yet so hopefully it’s not broke…..

@robnoel9306

7 ай бұрын

If they don't meta-shift, how will they force you to buy multiple armies?

@AM-uw3gp

7 ай бұрын

@@robnoel9306 no need to force me I’m buying multiple armies anyway lol

@curticusmaximus

7 ай бұрын

There are pros and cons to each. But as a long time 40k player, I've seen how, yes people can get annoyed by changes, but it constantly generates interest and new excitement. I'd like for them to find a nice happy medium

@indonesiaops7276

6 ай бұрын

Second that.

It’s cool to see rules/abilities etc. coming from so many old Warhammer editions including ancient battles.

@eskhaphey2873

7 ай бұрын

I am really hyped for Old World... highly expecting it to be my favourite system that GW does ^^

So they had the opportunity to make this REALLY shine, and just changed an old product just enough to resell it.

@jeromekammerer4733

7 ай бұрын

I disagree there is plenty of change : They are modifying the lore They choose carefully to not cover army that could be used in AOS. They changed randomly some rule that will create further problem down the road. They'll "upgrade" the price of 20 year old sculpt. That's a lot of change ^^

@lcmiracle

6 ай бұрын

There is already too much change for me to believe they won't fuck the project

1:13:00 So you don't want me to put 100 Hammerers in a single rank and taunt, "Charge me bro?!" Please, no one do this, I agree. That said, my buddies and I will roll the math on it.

I am happy to hear about black orks. It always felt weaird those massive heavy plates centimeters thick making them into tanks are only heavy armor same as thin foil stuff used by umies.

I wasn't sure I'm going to like this edition but there you are telling me not to worry :D Thanks guys.

@CB-ou4hi

27 күн бұрын

Why oh why did they try to kill it off with sigmar? Is it because people like me sold all their minis and would need to start again now? Sounds like GW to me 😊

Hearing all this, this actually feels like a huge throwback (got the first minis in 5th ed. Learned the ropes on 6th ed, played most games in 7th and 8th edition) 7th edition was my favourite and this "feels" very familiar. I'm so happy with GW going back to my favourite vanilla rules set and tweaking from there on. I'm very much looking forward to this and starting to dust off my nehekaran skellies and my altdorf patrol of the reik river army.

Cant wait iv missed real warhammer so much i play 40k to but old school hammer was always my jam pulling out my old orks and getting the dust off them and my csm going in closet

Thanks for the video! I share your concern raised at the end of the video about the fighting rank. The first time they mentioned that rule I was like.... oh great we're now going to have a width "arms race", which is going to be really stupid.... and stupid-looking.

Matt should be in this video or Steve and Matt need to do a sit down and chat video. You guys did the video series about WHFB/ AoS and it was golden.

Reminds me of the choose your own adventure books as a kid. For this go to this page, for that go to that

The flammable troll thing comes from 3 Hearts 3 Lions which is where D&D got their trolls from. In 3 Hearts 3 Lions its probably because fire represents purification and the Trolls were crratures of Chaos (3 Hearts 3 Lions is also the source of Lawful/Chaotic but Warhammer takes more from Micheal Moorcock's take on Chaos they even use his Chaos Star symbol)

I played 6th and 7th, sounds like I didn’t miss much with 8th. Looking forward to this edition! I have my 2k High Elves (and Vampire Counts, grrrr) from the early aughts itching to try it out!

would be very curious to hear your guys thoughts on TOW compared to WAP, what the strengths and weaknesses of each are, what you like more in either, etc... I've been playing 7th ed rules with 6e books for the last 6 months or so and we've been looking at WAP as a next thing to get into!

Great channel, great vid, I'll be watching more

The Toughness change could be funny with the dwarves as they have a rune that can gain a character with T10 or T7/8 with multiple ruins

This sounds very very good, even though one of my army's are the core ones I'm still very excited now!

Are you able to comment on the PDF armies at all? Are they of comparable detail/quality as the book lists at launch?

Everything in this edition just makes sense. Rules are very easy to remember when they just make sense.

Negating rank bonus or disrupting ad you called it was based around US of unit attacking from the flank.

I'm soooo excited to be along for the ride

Me busting out my custum 15 cav unit of Ellyrion Reavers. This is getting playtime again XD

Impact attacks going to clothy casters in the front row are going to shake things up.

I am so glad that Steadfast and stubborn have been chnaged this edition.

Been looking forward to this!

ther flaming stuff for the rigeneration rules is born( i think) from the old editions of D&D were you for kill a troll have to use fire or acid

Hopefully one day we'll be able to get the digital copy of the book and search for the rule question you need using a voice command to AI for answers in the middle of a game on your tablet

@guyincognito959

7 ай бұрын

We have the technology....but don't expect much from GW. I could imagine that a chat AI could do this already :D

oooo, so much fantasy vids, this should keep me busy.

Can you give any insight as to how the legacy faction rules compare to those of the main factions? Are they as fleshed out (with magic items, unique spell lores, unique faction rules like Vampiric Powers) or are they more toned down and bland compared to Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes?

Ahhhh... the true final boss of GW products. The Table of Contents and the Index. Defeats your armies every time.

Appreciate the positivity amongst the ocean of "this thing is dead on launch" that 90% of other ToW videos appear to be.

@FarseerB1rdy

7 ай бұрын

Dead on launch videos generate more clicks. Negativity has been proven to get more clicks and there's so much anti GW sentiment that it's good for the algorithms for those channels. One channel tried covering other game systems like Kings of War etc but had to go back to putting Games Workshop or Warhammer in videos to get clicks 😂

Sounds promising that the spells are good, but I cannot understand how the recent GW magic/psychic rules could be on anyone's top favourite magic system😂

@tyrannosaurus696

7 ай бұрын

I thought 8th magic core system was perfect other than the few nuke spells, the avoid miscast shenanigans and Skaven ignoring spell conventions (the latter two were a result of lazy army book writing). I loved the risk/reward, drawing out dispel dice, stacking spells on a single unit, setting up charges and waiting for a good WoM roll. Now it's a coin-flip as to whether a spell gets off or not, making it even more random and destroying the tactical nuance of magic. IMO.

@Ethnarches

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I like almost everything else than the magic system, but in total it seems quite great.

@Yurt_enthusiast7

7 ай бұрын

@tyrannosaurus696 8th was preatty good, except for the spells themselves who was widely broken. 5th magic cards is my favourite so far. It has more focus on wacky fun instead of balance which I really miss from modern games.

I remember running the 8th Manfred + Vamp hero + BloodKnights 1000pts+ death star.... only to have it explode in the first turn with a miscast + skink shooting... 46 ones rolled... my army crumbled and we were all done 2k points in 30 mins in a Major Tourney.

Love the content guys, timestamps would be awesome!

Morning Star is a BRETONNIA thing. Tomb Kings with Fails are very good

I don't want shooting to be too good, but it seems like shooting is so weak in this edition that it's not worth having. Why blow a bunch of points on archers or a cannon when you can just take more close combat units? Not a fan of the lack of 'step up'. I liked that in 8th edition. It (along with multiple ranks getting to fight) meant that regular troops actually got to do some damage rather than just being there to provide moral support. This seems to encourage stepping back to a time when most of the front rank was heroes and regular troops did next to nothing. I do like the redued negative mods to armour. Back in the day a 5+ save was basically useless. It's good that negatives to saves are not so ubiquitous now. Will have to give it a go to see for myself, though I may wait and see atm (not too bothered about Brets or TK). Hopefully it's a big hit :)

@Kayosiv

7 ай бұрын

Because infantry charges 9-11 inches max. Even short bows can move 3-4 inches and then shoot 18". When infantry could charge on turn 2 with a 16" charge in 8th edition, yeah you could shoot in two ranks, but combat started SO fast. Now you'll have a few turns to actually shoot.

Cool as always. 👍

I would think a flaming attack cauterizes the wound preventing the regeneration?

Will you all do a learn to play series?

Quite a few of these changes seem like they came from Warhammer Ancient Battles, rather than Fantasy Battle. Which doesn't suck.

So if I understand it you have videos up on the member side for the pdf factions? Did you get access early, or is it overviews on older information?

@thehiddenheretic

7 ай бұрын

Nevermind I missed the pinned comment lol. Non worries

luka and math goes together like tuna and pizza

Can you please explain how removing casualities in close combat works?

A lot of promising stuff for sure, but I'm still a little concerned how "herohammer" it will be tbh. A bit sceptical of the magic overall and to some extent missile fire, but a lot comes down to the point costs as well admittedly. Looks intriguing at least, which is good.

Oh you lost weight! Looking good man!

Hey Steve are you gonna post the Dark Elf vid for bers?

Oh boy this is a hell to calculate with the charge "clap in"... they should get rid of this - 52:40 min What happens when you barely reach the unit and cant clap in? is it a failed charge? Does the defender clap in?(that would be super bad) and in 8th you did use small units to redirect attackers, not totaly block the charge....(there was a method to do it but not why you did take them) Edit: the Troll regeneration comes fom dungeon and dragons, and it is a known weakness for trolls. Like sunlight for vampires. It is popculture now and a little homage to those things...

Only thing i couldnt find, can you shoot into combat? Didnt saw anything stating that you cant

can tomb kings use stand and shoot?

What is the point cap for the old world armies to play?

Does anyone know the lords and characters points limitations in an army?

@MountainMiniatures

7 ай бұрын

50% on characters

Am I right in saying that Swift Stride Charge is Movement + 2d6 (pick the highest) + D6? So potentially 20+ inch Charge moves? Seems crazy how far SS models move relative to infantry.

@akulakorsun159

7 ай бұрын

It was the same in 8th Ed : Roll 3d6 and discard lowest, which added to the mouvement could make some 22" charges.

@tyrannosaurus696

7 ай бұрын

@akulakorsun159 sorry I meant SS seems relatively very strong now that infantry only Charge 1d6 + Movement.

Skaven not being in oldworld is a crime! Here is my story. Playing 2000 point game with my skaven vs my mates beastmen. Roll and i get first turn. The plague claw catapault lands a direct hit on a horde formation of around 50 beastigors with the expensive general and bsb. They're sitting next to the edge of the board. I cause a wound. Causes a panic check. He rolls double 6. Rerolls and gets... double 6 Runs off the board whoops... Skaven are fucking awesome 🐀

Right now the only things that still worries me about this edition is the fear that it will turn into another hero hammer.

@goatman9998

7 ай бұрын

Is that your fear? Or is that what you have heard from others who have not played anything and are just repeating what others voiced?

@Alex-bc3gz

7 ай бұрын

@@goatman9998 I've been playing Warhammer fantasy for more than 20 years and I've got some very bad memories of unkillable chaos lords on dragons that I would rather not see again.

@autumnlotus6250

7 ай бұрын

I understand that fear. But aos and modern 40k has the oppodite issue where your general can easily get shot off the board turn 1. Which is depressing as hell if youbcare about the narrative at all ​@Alex-bc3gz

@Grom_the_Paunch

7 ай бұрын

@@Alex-bc3gz Chaos lord on a chimera was more cost effective. 😁

@Alex-bc3gz

7 ай бұрын

@@Grom_the_Paunch chimera wasn't an option in 6th

For all the horrific years of comments and Steve jokes… we love you dudes

I have a huge question where are all the named characters, I've only seen settra and you have to take a certain detachment to take him or am I wrong

@Docktavion

7 ай бұрын

Yeah it seems all the named characters and special themed units are in the arcana books that will come out for each army.

IT'S HERE! YAYAYYAAYAAYAYAYAYAAY

Guess range should come back, let's re add skill beyond list building

Someone needs to drop me a PDF of the Chaos Dwarf list. I’m trying to build an army ahead of time with Mantic models, so someone please help a brother out.

Great Video guys.. can't wait to dive in.

I'm still confused about armor saves for mounted units. Rulebook states it caps at 2+, does barding contribute to armor saves like the old days? Is Full plate, shield barding a 2+ or is barding something else.

@idiotproofdalek

7 ай бұрын

It must give something - Bret knights have 3+ which must be heavy armour+shield+barding

@jessepigram1039

6 ай бұрын

Barding contributes to saves, the mount itself does not. And from what I can tell, barding, shield and full plate is pretty rare, might only be Empire Knights and a select few characters

@Alex-dr1ez

6 ай бұрын

@@jessepigram1039 chaos chosen knights get access to it as well

@jessepigram1039

6 ай бұрын

@@Alex-dr1ez Ah, yeah, that makes sense. Thought they might but I couldn't be bothered to check XD

Maybe i missed it. Does strength determine AP at all, or is it solely the AP stat of the weapon

@thorbjornf8668

6 ай бұрын

Strength no longer impacts AP, only the AP stats matter.

FOR ALGORYTHMO! FOR THE STEVE! FOR LUGNUT MCGILLYGULLY JR!!

Let the floodgates open!

Okay, so i just wanna clarify, can a wizard situated behind a unit thats in combat buff that unit if its in his forward arc? Or does being in combat render that unit unbuffable? I get not casting if your wizard us engaged in combat, or he's staring off in the wrong direction.

you would think seeing a monster or someone regenerate a nasty wound effect the attacker more that the monster lol.

Do Lizardmen still have Cold Blooded as we're used to seeing it and can the Slann sit in the middle of Temple Guard? If not, does the Slann gain any bonus being near Temple Guard?

The big question for me is; are beastmen as weak as they have been in nearly every previous edition?

Where are these PDFs you speak of?

all I need to know is, how are night goblins going to be ?!?!?

@user-tc9sk4ei9y

7 ай бұрын

They are ok

@acrylnick2281

7 ай бұрын

They a small green and destructive. Dont worry about how they are going to be and have some fun

Good amount of views, but needs more likes!

One thing i do like (correct me if im wrong) the book of fantasy contains all the army lists for the "Good Guys" etc. Im so happy they have done this as it takes a leaf out of Mantics book and will cut cost into getting into the game as there nothing worse then having to keep buying army books every 2 years. Mantic showed you dont need to do this and im happy GW are finally doing it.

@matthewwood982

7 ай бұрын

I've just bought the books today so can't 100% say for sure, but I appreciate the fact that the journals seem to be a nice lore add to the army lists. Although if you want rules for special characters they appear to be in these books

@vashoom

7 ай бұрын

It's a double-edged sword. The basic army lists are divided into other Forces of Fantasy or Ravening Hordes (which also means you're paying more money if you only play one army, or one army of each faction...you'll have to buy larger, more expensive books), BUT each army will also get an arcane journal which has more army lists, magic items, special characters, etc. So if you're a completionist, you're paying a lot more. But if you just want the basic rules to play with your models, you just need the main army book. I don't hate it, because I think supplementary rules are a good thing (GW makes money off those that want them, players that don't want to spend for them can still play the game), I just wish they would release those core army rules for free like 10th edition index rules (and KEEP them free).

Rick Priestly once he'd never played a game of WFB correctly and he was sure of that. WFB is hard.

Really bummed Chaos Dwarfs aren't going to be supported. Thought this would finally be the Dawi Zarr's opportunity to get some table time, maybe even a novel.

@keitholiver6152

7 ай бұрын

They're in the expected list of armies, and 16 he lists. They're going to be released

@Aodyri

7 ай бұрын

@@keitholiver6152 no, they absolutely are not. They have been labeled legacy factions, have outright been stated to not be legal at tournaments, and will not receive ongoing support, updates, or models. They are getting a PDF. This isn't new. Several units became legacy in 40k, and several factions became legacy in AoS. The sad bit is each of the "Legacy" Factions is alive and has updated minis and rules in AoS, except Chorfs. Each of them also had a chance to shine in WHFB except Chorfs.

@keitholiver6152

7 ай бұрын

@@Aodyri they will get a release in warhammer old world

@Aodyri

7 ай бұрын

@@keitholiver6152 Once again. No. They. Won't. I'm not speculating, this is what was directly stated by GW, the people who would do the release. Direct quote: "What about the legacy factions? Rob: A few of the factions from the previous Warhammer Fantasy Battle game will not feature in Warhammer: The Old World - this is in terms of game rules, model ranges, and the ongoing background narrative. These ‘Legacy’ factions will however get free, downloadable army lists so people can try out the new system using their older model collections. More about this in the coming weeks, though please note that they won’t be considered legal for tournaments, and won’t receive ongoing support. "

@ilovecokeslurpees

7 ай бұрын

They were never really supported. I don't think they ever had a book. Maybe in 5th? But it has been over 25 years if at all.

I love watching you guys! However, if I may, could you sometimes remember that not every viewer is an English native? Sometimes it's difficult to catch everything when listening in the background.

What happened to poison and killing blow? They seemed weird in the BR.

@Docktavion

7 ай бұрын

As far as I know both rules still exist, some units that had killing blow no longer have KB though they have a toned done version (ignores armour but not ward saves).

@skeith1543

7 ай бұрын

@@Docktavion killing blow never ignored ward saves. Regen and armor

@Docktavion

7 ай бұрын

Sorry been a while since last played. I know some units ability tags changed so I wonder what he ultimate changes were for them.

What are your thought on supporting attacks from the entire front rank? I'm seeing 40 strong unit of dwarf quarreler's or something like that in one big rank. i know movement will be a limiting factor i a unit that wide, but i don't want to charge that gunline...

@Yurt_enthusiast7

7 ай бұрын

Well the big problem with 40 wide units are that no one would want to play against that kind of player😉

@nimmsis

7 ай бұрын

@@grlmgor wouldn't all the kills for the attacks make up for the lost rank bonus?

@nimmsis

7 ай бұрын

@@grlmgor not any more, every unit in the front rank gets atleast 1 attack. (but no one in the 2nd rank unless specificly said so (spears, fight in extra rank, etc))

Just in general, have the points values gone up or down?

@leonordiaz2371

6 ай бұрын

Some down, some the same, no more half a point

I was really surprised that they are more or less dusting off this 30 year old range and re-releasing it. I feel like a lot of people were assuming they were refreshing all of these ranges. But damn, this is like the most genius milking of old product they have ever done.

I’m still having trouble learning AOS now I need to try learn this

@acrylnick2281

7 ай бұрын

Nah you can forget about AOS. OLDHAMMER IS BACK !!!!!

@user-qi1jc1yn3o

7 ай бұрын

@@acrylnick2281indeed, now it’s time to fight and take to the battlefield for glory and the Lady.

@acrylnick2281

7 ай бұрын

@@user-qi1jc1yn3o For Ulthuan!!!!!! Cant wait to see who is going to get rules :)

@sabatonliam

7 ай бұрын

@@acrylnick2281 already got my tomb king box ordered yesterday

Have the pre orders for this already open? Probably as I’m just now hearing about this. My address is 123 under a rock lane.

What's the verdict on unit sizes in The Old World, particularly for dwarfs? Are my blocks of 20 Ironbreakers/Hammerers/Slayers and 25 warriors/Longbeards going to be enough in this edition? I gather this new "the whole front row gets to attack" thing is the main new factor? I guess 5x4 units have the advantage of a larger buffer before you start losing rank bonuses. I could easily reach 7x3 sizes if that's the requirement for this edition but beyond that it starts to look pricey as I'd want matching 90s minis.

What the hell is board size?

6th edition was the longest edition: 2000 - 2006.

They kept random charge range?!

Old world babyyyyyyy

Is pre- measuring still a thing

@MountainMiniatures

6 ай бұрын

yep

👍

Some time stamps would help loads 👍

love you guys but the balance in your mwg batrep seemed horribly favoured towards brets with the no step up

I am kind of bummed they kind of excluded Lizardmen, Skaven, Vampire Counts, Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs and Orgres. I get they will get their stats one time but than they are discontinued will not be updated and so on. What do you guys think about it?

I am kind of interested but I am kind of worried GW will End Times this as well.