Thanks for your patience folks while we sorted out the audio problem and re-recorded the final segment.

@garyjoyce2160

6 күн бұрын

Tremendous. I knew you would. 👍💯

@andrewcarr5923

6 күн бұрын

Appreciate the dedication guys

@jasonearll5742

5 күн бұрын

You turned off the audio while you talked about “Def” Leppard. Wow! That’s high concept. Next, you can turn on a black light when you talk about Deep Purple. Or put on lipstick when you talk about Kiss. Just don’t turn us into the authorities when you talk about Judas Priest!

@rebeccalangendorf3121

5 күн бұрын

Great episode. Looking forward to the rerecording with the audio for the DefLeppard segment. I think Lemmy never sold out. He just was really attracted by the whole sleazy side of the LA scene. Saxon definitely tried to fit in and thankfully stopped abd returned to their roots. Although there were a few good songs for sure in that era. Maiden mostly stayed the course. Def Leppard sorta created the big hair sound so I wouldn't call it selling out but it definitely was a drop in quality for sure. I love the first three albums much better especially first two.

"The opposite of what I like in life" Martin, you're killing me😂🎉

Never, ever let Popoff anywhere near a discussion about NWOBHM. He doesn't understand it.

As far as I can remember here in the U.K. around 79/80 Motörhead were not considered as part of the NWOBHM movement. I would be interested in others views about this, as I may be totally incorrect. Love these shows guys. Thank you

@chrismoyse3529

6 күн бұрын

Indeed they weren’t. Perhaps being British helps you get this movement more?

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

Motorhead were definitely not NWOBHM.

@andrewcarr5923

6 күн бұрын

We are Motorhead and we play rock n roll, I don't think Lemmy cared to be categorized in any other way.

@marilyncatterall402

6 күн бұрын

In the UK, Motorhead were not part of the NWOBHM ..... If you wanted to select a 4th band, to place alongside Maiden, Leppard and Saxon, then I'd suggest the Tygers Of Pan Tang, Sansom, Girlschool, or Diamond Head.

@JeanAlainXavier-ze9jc

5 күн бұрын

​@@marilyncatterall402exactly

Lemmy's only offence is singing "Born to raise hell" with Whitfield Crane and Ice-T

Pete, off topic... Love the Foghat t-shirt! Both you and Martin have great insights. I love SOT and enjoy Martin in his other podcasts. Keep on rockin boys!

As usual, well said gents. Power and The Glory is my favorite Saxon album as well :)

I remember people critisizing Maiden for selling out with "Seventh Son" - it is very 80-ish compared with "Powerslave" and has quite a lot of (guitar)synth. Starting with "Moonchild" and "Infinite Dreams" - the songs aren't "Hair metal" but the sound was definitely typical 80's.

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

"Can I Play with Madness" almost made me not buy that album. It still ranks in the bottom half of my Maiden discography.

@user-zq5eb2hj9o

5 күн бұрын

I actually stopped listening to them when that came out. I came to appreciate it years later. I never thought of it as typically 80’s. It was just typically more commercial which much to my disappointment a lot of my favorite bands were starting to do at that period. I ended up going in a completely different direction and heavily embraced thrash like many other people did in that time period.

@independenceltd.

5 күн бұрын

@@user-zq5eb2hj9o yep. I completely bailed on Ozzy, Priest, Krokus, Scorps, not to mention all the other earlier "hair metal" bands who were chasing MTV airtime.

Pete really great job on your presentation slideshow. I really appreciate the visuals on that compared to Martin holding up a glare out tour program which could’ve been put into a slideshow. I think you’re using PowerPoint and what I do is I put a black background in and then I float my photographs on top of that just makes a really nice visual when you put it on the zoom Once again great job really appreciate Production value going up

AC/DC did participate a little bit with Who Made Who and Blow Up Your Video.

...Martin: "listening to it almost put me in a bad mood"...Def Leppard "Adrenalize"...HELL freaking YES!!! ) :0)

I'm always up for a little NWOBHM discussion. Great show, thoroughly enjoyed it. I think Motorhead is NWOBHM, Maiden and Saxon also formed in '75 and Leppard in '76. While I don't think the NWOBHM had a distinctive sound, it did have a raw, DIY, punk rock attitude that helped make up the movement. "Where were you in '79 when the dam began to burst."

Big 4. Angel Witch. Diamond Head. Tygers of Pan Tang Saxon.

I really fell off Saxon after Crusader came out. We were so hype for that album and it was a big disappointment when I brought it home. My friend got Innocence Is No Excuse and I was sure that Saxon were completely selling out. When Rock the Nations came out, I bought it hoping they had gone back to their NWOBHM sound and one listen had me pack it and all my Saxon away until 2020 when I began watching SOT and heard some love for Saxon's newer batch of albums. I cautiously began going through the back catalog and you guys weren't blowing smoke up our a$$e$! They had returned with a vengeance. I even returned to the "Hair Metal" albums and you know, I really enjoy them now. I'd even go so far as to say that they're some of my favorite "Hair Metal" albums these days. There was always something about Biff's voice that bothered me but, somehow, I think it clicked with me now. He's an amazing singer! He can sing it all and hasn't really lost a bit of his voice!

I guess Ritchie Blackmore is an exception to the no hat rule.

@stevemcnary7963

5 күн бұрын

Same with Rob Halford

I never really thought Maiden went hair metal , you could argue some with fear of the dark with the ballad and variety on that album , but I can certainly agree with Bruce’s tattoo millionaire 🤘

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

Their "hair metal" albums would be "Somewhere in Time" and "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son," but that's as close as they got. FOTD was heavier than both of those.

@andrewcarr5923

6 күн бұрын

I can't see it myself, their still heavy and the lyrics are far away from anything coming from the big hair metal bands at the time, the synthesisers crept in but did they really do any damage to the integrity of the band ?@@independenceltd.

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

@@andrewcarr5923 yes, i only used to quotations to stick with the dialogue. i don't think Maiden had any "hair metal" albums. nor Motorhead, for that matter. Saxon did and after "Pyromania," DL were pretty much a de facto "hair metal" band.

@dvg4104

6 күн бұрын

Martin uses that tern "hair metal" very loosely. To me "hair bands" are the ones who don;t play well, sing well or write good songs, but whose image is all about their poofy hair. NWOBHM bands are not hair bands, though Def Leppard may later in their career arguably be called a "hair band."

Richie Blackmore is the man with the Hat for hard rock

Great show guys!!!….just a heads up for anyone into the older Def Leppard…I’m sure Pete has these cds but I recently picked up Def Leppard’s pyromania European tour from 1983 live on cd along with a live cd from Seattle, august 3rd, 1983 both incredible and “raw”….definitely something for a fan of the older Def Leppard music to check out 😎

I recall Def Leppard insisting they weren't heavy metal back when Pyromania was released. I found this really odd because at the time they were definitely being marketed as a metal band, their logo was very metal and their videos were typical of metal bands at the time, with a lot of skull and sword and sorcery visuals (particularly the video for "Foolin'"). Not particularly hard metal of course but well within the genre for the time. I don't know that I would necessarily consider anything after Pyromania to be metal (they definitely went in a more commercial Bon Jovi/Bryan Adams direction afterwards) but the first three albums were definitely metal, even if on the lighter and more commercial side of the genre.

Def Leppard were always in that bracket to me.

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

in 1980?

@m.b-ee8815

6 күн бұрын

@@independenceltd. I always thought they they had a lightweight sound to them, much like the later hair metal stuff.

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

@@m.b-ee8815 On Through the Night?

@garyjoyce2160

6 күн бұрын

On through the NIGHT/8️⃣0️⃣ rules/. Rock 🪨 BRIGADE smokes: obviously IMO 👍💯

@logancollins7097

6 күн бұрын

​@@garyjoyce2160Wasted is my favorite DL track. Love it

Def Leppard did what they wanted to do. They never tried to be like the LA Glam scene because they were too busy too even know it was happening.

@LarryFleetwood8675

3 күн бұрын

They kind of missed the mid-80s though due to the accident, Hysteria was late '80s and their previous album was early '80s, I wonder what they'd done musically in those mid years of the decade...

We knew about Saxon but their albums were relatively hard to find until probably "Crusader". I love that album still. I had seen other videos, and they were definitely not the "coolest" looking band around, but the video for "Broken Heroes" shook me so hard that not only did I not buy "Innocence is No Excuse," but I didn't buy another Saxon abum until "Into the Labyrinth". (I own them all now, including "Destiny"...barf)

It's probably worth mentioning that mainstream music in the UK was all about pop music during the 80s. Early 80s had the new romantic, keyboard thing, and the late 80s had Bros, Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced stuff. Rock music was around but the hair metal only had the odd hit single.

With Priest, their brief glam period was Turbo and Ram It Down albums. Even though Priest started out in the early '70s, I still consider them part of the NWOBHM since they really started getting big around '79/'80 with Hell Bent For Leather (Killing Machine) and British Steel. I never considered Motorhead to be part of the NWOBHM movement. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Saxon, and Def Leppard (along with a few others,) were though. Def Leppard were the only ones that full embraced Glam later in the '80s (discounting the already mentioned missteps of Judas Priest.)

@shaunfulton7261

4 күн бұрын

More nonsense from someone who doesn't understand what the NWOBHM was.

The only hair metal album in my collection is Deep Purple slaves and masters with Joe Lynn Turner.

Def Leppard was the blue print for pop rock/ glam rock starting with Pyromania. Mötorhead and Maiden did their own thing which was frigging awesome. Saxon dipped their toe a bit in the glam look and style in the early to mid 80's and then stepped away from it.

Def Leppard created hair metal and remained the biggest act throughout it

@alecpiercy4297

2 күн бұрын

What Leppard really did was bring young good looking girls into the rock market ...they saw the Pyromania videos on MTV bought the album and went to the shows. It was their presence ( and look ) at the shows that created the hair metal look where suddenly all the male musicians looked and dressed like women. Women never really went to Maiden, Motorhead or Saxon shows in anywhere like the same numbers and that remains true today. Leppards audience is still 50/50 men /women.... Leppard also only ever really had their sights on the american dollar, whereas Maiden realised they could be the biggest rock band in the world and have huge support in both North and South america and all of Europe. Leppard dont have that. Similarly they are really nothing without Mutt Langes input. He took their ideas on Pyromania and Hysteria and turned them into huge hits..... they have done really nothing since without him

Def Leppard is a pop group

@megaduck7965

3 күн бұрын

The first two albums are pretty heavy for pop records

Metal Compilation of the Heaviest songs . Just devastatingly Heavy tunes Nightranger - Still Rock in America Bon Jovi - Bad Medicine White Lion - Wait Van Halen - Panama Axe - Video Inspiration Y&T - All American Boy Aerosmith - Jaime's Got a Gun Ozzy Osbourne - Mr Tinkertrain Savatage - Wishing Well Motley Crue - Raise Your Hands to Rock ZZ Top - Velcro Fly Scorpions - Winds of Change Poison - Fallen Angel

So it begs that question: what is the first wave of British Heavy Metal? To me: Sabbath, Motörhead, Judas Priest.

For me what makes Def Leppard legit in that they had glam influences from the start is that after grunge left, they never went back to what they were in 1979, they stayed with that bubblegum hard rock that made them famous. They liked AC/DC, Queen, Free and Thin Lizzy but they also like T Rex, Slade, the Sweet and Mott the Hoople. I think Pete was the one who was really into Judas Priest and Steve once Phil came into the scene felt intimidated because of Phil guitar skills, so there you go, thats the two original players being left aside despite Steve being the engine of the band, he wasn't a leader, it can't be a coincidence that Pete's and Steve last album together as far as songwriting credits go is Pyromania. Mutt Lange was the de facto "gotta get successful in the USA" producer around that time, in fact AC/DC went to him for Highway to Hell, Back in Black and For Those About to Rock and I think he also produced Foreigner's 4 a year or so before Def Leppard came knocking to his door.

@MartinPopoff

6 күн бұрын

Yeah, I hear none of those great bands in Hysteria and Adrenalize.

@dvg4104

6 күн бұрын

When I listen to "On Through The Night," I detect influence of UFO and Thin Lizzy. When I hear "High N Dry," I hear AC/DC influence, due (in no small part) to producer Mutt Lange. The guitars on HND sound like rubber bands.

Hats in rock tony the hat clarkin of magnum legend

@LarryFleetwood8675

3 күн бұрын

Ritchie Blackmore at times.

Hats in metal and rock Slash Bonham Rob Halford Blackmore Hendrix Micky Moody Brian Johnson Angus Young Roger Glover 😂

@damienfoyer

6 күн бұрын

Ripper Owens and his stupid Monster energy drink caps.

@parishofrock2963

6 күн бұрын

Rick Nielsen, Tony Clarkin

@markandersen5187

5 күн бұрын

Mark Kendall

Next 2 Diamond Head & Tygers of Pan Tang.

@independenceltd.

6 күн бұрын

then the next 2 Witchfinder General and Angel Witch

@patrickmurphy4297

5 күн бұрын

you can throw Angelwitch in there too...

Iron maiden avoided hair metal. Thankfully. Wish more had.

Whilst Motorhead certainly influenced the nwobhm, here in the UK they were never considered part of it. My 4th choice would be Tygers of Pan Tang.

Whether Motörhead are NWOBHM or not, there are few NWOBHM that lasted the entire 80s and early 90s with any degree of success. So, if you want to look at how Hair metal affected NWOBHM over that time, you’re almost bound to include Motörhead or Priest to make up the numbers.

What about post hair/metal era bands going about other styles of music. Martin has discussed this on his podcast. Lynch Mob and their flaccid nu metal album is a contendor for the topic.

"...metal doesn't need hats" Unless you are Lemmy or King Diamond.

No hats allowed!!! Unless your name is Rob Halford. ;-)

Def Leppard is metal 😢😢 I have to think about that

@jimekberg

4 күн бұрын

😂

Did you re shoot the whole episode or just edit in the ending? Just curious 😮

@sotdude7

5 күн бұрын

Just the ending.

Big 4 Non Metal Hair Bands White Lion Axe ( USA) Bon Jovi Heaven Bent

Saxon needed to change more than maiden as maidens sound and catalogue was so much stronger and more successful IMO

DID HE REALLY SAY DEJA VU WAS HAIR METAL

Great show, love you guys, but just for the record, Motorhead and Judas Priest are not NWOBHM!

@sotdude7

5 күн бұрын

We agree with you on Priest...Motorhead we make a case for.

Man I like Motörhead in the states them and Saxon were never popular Def Leppard was super huge and Iron Maiden kinda popular but never really big here it was la not British in the states during the 80s

Priest would've fitted better in here than Leppard, who were always kinda glam.

@ironfarmer9332

6 күн бұрын

Priest definitely glammed it up. Hell, if death metal was just as popular as glam, Priest would of made that kind of album.

@shaunfulton7261

4 күн бұрын

Priest aren't a NWOBHM band, you fool.

@djacobmadrigal

4 күн бұрын

NWOBHM begins in 79. Priest began in 72

Big 4 of NWOBHM Witchfynde Tygers of Pantang Paralex Angel Witch Big 4 Glam Metal WASP Leatherwolf Motley Crue Hellion Big 4 of Actual Metal Savatage Omen Manilla Road Cirith Ungol

Sorry guys, the premise of this episode doesn't really work for me. Martin is doing a lot of yappin' but it's all a bit of nothing for me. Sorry for the criticism, still love the channel.

@alexsuperpower1

6 күн бұрын

I was hoping for the album rankings from different catalogs to match together like they were doing I love those uploads. They could have done an excellent album matching with NWOBHM.

Respect to all these great bands. Except Def Leppard. What a bunch of phonies. Pop sell-outs with a whiny singer. Nothing to do with metal. Crappy pop for brainless masses.

Love listening to these shows but Martin's take on Maiden is absolute bollocks, nowhere near anything hair metal. Also Motorhead were not NWOBHM.

@MartinPopoff

5 күн бұрын

That literally was my point. That there was just the very slight odd trace. And that the main gestures were A.S.a.P. and Bruce's album.

@davidking2799

4 күн бұрын

@@MartinPopoff Thanks for the reply Martin, appreciate it 👍

@macseinchin

4 күн бұрын

@@MartinPopoff I really liked the A.S.a.P. album. A bit unexpected, but lots of catchy hooks and "The Lion" is a great song. Adrian sounding a bit like Bryan Adams.

I guess I doing understand what the NWOHM is. Why would Priest not be involved?

@MartinPopoff

5 күн бұрын

Started in '69, first album in '74, five studio albums and one live album in the '70s. Contrast with Motorhead, they "essentially" find their footing in '79 and put two albums out that year, which is the start year of the NWOBHM.