I'm obsessed with this theory. There is something not yet mentioned. Ceniza means "ash" and while handling the book, one of the brothers drops ashes on the book. As though foreshadowing they had altered or influenced the book. I think it adds weight to the theory. Anyway, cheers

I've watched this film more than any other in my life and feel embarrassed at all of the details and clues that I've apparently missed. Your incites and thoughts on The 9th Gate are very inciteful and thought provoking. Always look forward to your uploads centering around this masterful work of art.

@gipsyjam

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! (Probably over x50 times). My only regret is that Corso doesn't have a cellphone (possible remake?).

@imaniquetzales8952

Жыл бұрын

@@gipsyjam Depp resume their role

@juanrosa6969

9 ай бұрын

@@gipsyjama remake will ruin everything about this film lol

@zes7215

Ай бұрын

wrrr

@bobbyd6040

Ай бұрын

Insight* incite means to instigate something, like inciting violence.

I always assumed the brothers had figured out the riddle in so far as they knew the LCF engravings differed from the equivalent AT engravings between copies of the books. At that point it became obvious to them that the ninth LCF engraving was important and they devised a slightly alternate image and replaced the valid engraving sheet in their book. Their motives? They could be acting for the light, or the dark forces, hindering the books fate or guarding against the unworthy getting access to the full set of engravings. Or ... they could be representations of mischief and chaos! If they died many years ago, then they were either spirits or being impersonated by the shop movers.

@ishogunronin6626

2 жыл бұрын

love the theory

@UFOUAPMagnet

10 ай бұрын

My theory is that the brothers are ALWAYS there. Just in whatever form they are needed. Just like angels. It's no coincidence that both times he goes there is someone there. And that they are twins. And that at least one is always smoking. It's no coincidence he arrives perfectly on time for them to just happen to literally deliver it at his feet. The angels ceniza warned on the approach, but rewarded the return. I watch this movie a lot. I remember when it was only 4 gates.

Your breakdown of this earned ya a sub from me. Well done!

The most intriguing question is, why did they keep the original engraving? In the book, it was lost forever and not really needed (if you're the worthy one, the chosen one). Taken their supernatural background, as you've told, they've been waiting for Corso all these years, keeping the page for him to find. Hmm, if they were *dead*long time ago, why would Corso travel all that way to talk to them? They were famous in his professional sphere, he'd know if they died.

@privatehudson4432

Жыл бұрын

They were not ghosts .

Always wondering what's up with the Ash brothers, I guess this could be it. thanks for the re-upload. Great work!!

The Brothers are Pepe & Recardo .. alias Padro & Pedro

@zes7215

Ай бұрын

wrgg

There's so much symbolism in this movie it kinda screws with my head trying to connect dots and getting more and more out there. The best example is this scene. I always end up thinking, Toledo, Toledo Steele, forgery, forge, yeah no. I can never get there but it always crosses my mind for some maddening reason.

Note that the entire plot of the film involves a Book that supposedly leads to a kind of transcendent experience, yet has had one of its 3 known copies suffer the removal of a pivotal page, replaced by a forgery. And the names of the two book restoration experts, Pablo and Pedro, are the Spanish equivalents of Paul and Peter -- the two disciples/apostles who met their end in Rome (Peter crucified upside-down on a 'Petrine' cross), after both having written New Testament scriptures (their epistles). The twin workmen we see later on imply that the Ceniza Bros. have been dead for some time -- years, supposedly -- but it's obvious that they themselves ARE the Ceniza Bros. in disguise, having waited until Corso's return to tip that shelf over so that the original engraving could slip off the top and flutter to the floor at Corso's feet. If Peter & Paul were heroes working on Heaven's behalf, then Pedro & Pablo were the 'heroes' working on behalf of Hell -- on behalf of Lucifer, the otherwise nameless Green-Eyed Girl [GEG], the only one who KNEW that the 9th engraving in the Balkan-Telfer copy was a forgery . . . or shouldn't we refer to it as the Ceniza edition, since Telfer purchased it from the Ceniza Bros.? And why would THEY have been the ones who owned it before they agreed to sell it to Telfer? Being one of only three editions to have survived the centuries, and having been a priceless work in-and-of itself, how could two guys who make a living restoring books have had the capital to purchase it -- and from whom did THEY purchase it? Or . . . was it in their 'family' possession ever since 1666, when a printer made the three editions in the first place? How did Kessler acquire her copy? How did Fargas get his? Did their ancestors acquire them back in 1666, passing them down through the generations? Who convinced Telfer to sell his edition to Balkan -- and did that Person also persuade him to commit suicide once that had been accomplished? This crucial plot-point was what started the ball rolling, and I suspect that the GEG was behind that. One last thought: Was the revelation that Pedro & Pablo were clever FORGERS a subtle hint or accusation that the New Testament saints Peter and Paul were ALSO forgers, their epistles being lies and pseudohistory? Some of the Pauline Epistles that made it into the canon of the New Testament are often thought by secular scholars to have been less-than-genuine, to put it kindly. Hmm . . .

I’d imagine Balkan wasn’t chosen by the dark forces due to him never making the journey and discovering the answers himself, he hired others to do his bidding and then killed those who got in his way thinking that was enough to earn the books power.

Well I obviously should have read the screenplay! Great insight there. I love the Ceniza brothers. Even Hell has its heroes. It was not in Belkin's path to inherit entrance through the ninth gate. Chance is not equal for all. The pupil outshines the master. That's about all I can say. Except... great video!

The brothers altered the engraving so's to prevent the success of anyone using the book who wasn't of their choosing. They chose Corso to succeed by letting him find the original engraving. I have no idea why him and not Balkan. It seems they are in league with the Mystery Girl, begging the question of who they are, rather than just who she is.

@danpal6737

2 жыл бұрын

Girl is not part of Cenizas Brothers, as they hided the real truth. The Girl was only waiting for Corso, to complete the teachings of the book, Balkan would never even allow to be tamed by the Girl because he was arrogant, the girl was part of the key to access the gate.

@keishaanderson2917

6 ай бұрын

I agree

Corso was being guided and protected at all times during his journey to the ninth gate. Whilst “green eyes” was the obvious guardian throughout there was others. Ceniza brothers were another, the dog outside Kesslers and in a strange way Bernie was too.

@davidstud3952

8 ай бұрын

the dog is a shape of "the Girl" - just like she had shaped into a little girl to enter customs at the airport

5:55 Groovy.

I agree , they were dead , ashes to ashes alright. I had no idea how deep this film went until you went over it frame by frame so to speak. Brilliant job . ⭐

In the movie the term "mumbo jumbo" is used various times and it is always accentuated with a certain peculiar boldness. Is there a reason why?

@hermanhale9258

2 жыл бұрын

In one of the old Universal Sherlock Holmes movies, Watson calls hypnotism "Mum-bo Jum-bo!" I know it means nonsense, but I think the movies use it more to mean voodoo and witchcraft type things.

In the book her name is Irene Adler.

It is interesting that in the modern world, those who don't want others to follow and obey God, either themselves or encourage others to change the bible and in some cases add completely new books. Leading them back into hedonism.

There was a cross hanging on a wall of Ceniza brothers shop. It could indicate that they were devoted Christians who didn't want the book to be used by Satan's followers. They also laugh when they mention Aristide Torqia's death on stake whereas baroness Kessler calls him a brave man.

I have Owned this film from when it came out on dvd till now .I also own the original book from the movie . I have watched this over 300 times easy . The brothers knew about the books powers and believed in it . They did not want anyone to be able to summon Satan that was why they forged it . The brothers left because they knew of Balkin and thought he would be back looking for them or Corso again . They sold the book for Millions so they packed up after corso left and split . I honestly would have done the same . They were masters and did get some joy out of knowing nobody could actually prove it was fake as there work was perfect .

@raginald7mars408

Жыл бұрын

the sinister Life of Polanski - makes him the best qualified to do this. Indicating WHY he did it... he could easily have done it much more sinister I am certain - dark Forces are Predators we see it right now in the WAR that may go on for 30 Years as the Dark Forces are more powerful than ever Imagine Herr Pu Tin deals with the Devil - as his best Disciple The world is far more mysterious than we ever can imagine... far more...

Roman and Stanley Twins

I took the brothers as maybe the only ones in the movie that represented gods soldiers/ good characters. The reason they forged it as it was obviously not for profit was to stop followers of the devil from opening the ninth gate. Ie they hid the final real page from the world on behalf of god.

@imaniquetzales8952

Жыл бұрын

This is it.

What the film tells us is , everybody in Toledo is twins . Hahahahahaha just kidding.

Aliens

I love this perspective. Like oh man if someone did that they are amazing, then look at each other w a shit eating grin 😂

The angel looks like Stanley

They had disrespect for the book because he spilt a cigarette butt on it. Or perhaps they ashed the book, they imposed themselves on the book.

If you look closely the fake shows the castle burning a profecy for the undeserved (Balkan), and the real one the castle is not on fire but bathed by shinning light of enlightenment for the worthy (corso)

There is a mistake in the movie, Balkan could never had known the look of the final castle (mentioned in the postcard owned by Kessler) since none of them saw the real final engraving . In that regard the castle where Balkan does the ritual should not had been the Cathar castle but a palace (wich burns in flames)

@kobi0023

Жыл бұрын

The difference in the engravings was the authentic engraving shows light coming in behind the castle at a different angle, indicating time of day (sunset). Stargates/portals depend on several factors working together, time of day being one of them

@imaniquetzales8952

Жыл бұрын

@@kobi0023 oooooh

@Sorrowdusk

Жыл бұрын

@@kobi0023 How do you know this? Do you have a stargate?

@kobi0023

Жыл бұрын

@@Sorrowdusk Your mom has a stargate

Irene

How about that: Liana's husband bought the book for her as a present, then, having learnt about her obssession with the devil, desperate, he wanted to punish her for the shame she brought on him. He ordered them to remove and replace the last engraving so her quest for whatever was hidden inside would be in vain. And then he killed himself. Such revenge!

@imaniquetzales8952

Жыл бұрын

First scene..... Ohh 😯😮

Yeah…. I think that’s it … they weren’t there … at least not physically. Then twin movers in place of two book keepers! Even during the 1st visit now that you have enlightened me.. appears to be to an empty closed shop … the windows all dark and empty.. the boy running perhaps was also coming out of a rummage around the empty spot???

@privatehudson4432

Жыл бұрын

They were there they split

Virgo Hermit Tess

The girl german word for brat

@edennis8578

2 жыл бұрын

What's the German word for brat? Or I should say, which word are you talking about in the Ninth Gate, and which German word for brat, because there is more than one.

Guardian Angel Magical nagual Nahuatl

jews.

What if Corso was dead the whole time?

@hermanhale9258

2 жыл бұрын

The Sixth Sense.

@Sorrowdusk

Жыл бұрын

@@hermanhale9258 More like Jacob's Ladder

You talk like someone hit you over the head and you just woke up.