Q: "are you going to get in trouble for saying this?" A: "who cares?"

This episode was aired 10 years ago now. Ten years and we have still done almost nothing to prevent this future. Now we have raging wildfires in Australia and Canada, record hot oceans that fuel record strong hurricanes that drop record amounts of rain, new heat records everywhere around the globe. Feels like we're never going to wake up and do something...

@dabadoo7631

11 ай бұрын

10 years is nothing

@seventeen9718

11 ай бұрын

​​​​​​​@@dabadoo7631Ten years of flat out not giving a shit about emissions is not "nothing". We've been ramping up to where we are for a century, getting exponentially worse. Let's see how you feel about your comment ten years from now. I'm willing to bet you'd wish you could go back to what it is now, and that ten years will then be considerable to you. This issue isn't linear. As I said before, it gets exponentially worse and exacerbates ecological collapse. It's a metaphorical snowball, and the timeline is the incline of the hill. We are absolutely F##CKED. We missed the mitigation stage and we're now in the damage control stage; unfortunately we aren't actually doing ***anywhere*** near enough damage control, so we're currently missing that boat too. We're screwed.

@drbixler

10 ай бұрын

​@@dabadoo7631I think that's the point. We've already met, and now exceeded, what climate scientists predicted would happen like 10 or more years from now. The acceleration has blown WAY past their expectations. Wild fires raging and destroying one of the planets largest natural CO2 storage and conversion is just going to exacerbate the situation. Of course it will only take one GOOD year and the deniers will jump back on the bandwagon again.

@AnnoyingMoose

10 ай бұрын

Mid August 2023: worst forest fire season in Canada's history (still not over yet); death toll in Lahaina fire over 89 (already the deadliest fire in the U.S. in over a century); massive flooding in China from typhoons; record heat wave coming in B.C. (the part of Canada that this year has already had fires burn an area larger than the state of CT and RI combined)...

@llarmstrong783

10 ай бұрын

He says we can't do anything. Sadly, we can and have the resources to prevent a lot of damage, but we just won't

this could air today IRL and itd be forgotten in a week. its that hopeless

@TangalorFirePaw

11 ай бұрын

Kinda just happened on CNN, actually.

@SarthorS

10 ай бұрын

It's not hopeless. There's always the next meaningless celebrity 'scandal' to keep us occupied. I'm sure there are countless people scouring old tweets, footage or writings from further and further back to get people outraged about.

@curiousnomadic

4 ай бұрын

Ladies on the Titanic were putting makeup on a 1/2 hour before it went down. The large subset of the population that is incapable of understanding the future is very real.

@Arxari

Ай бұрын

​@@TangalorFirePawwhere?

Instead of 400ppm CO2 we are now already at 424ppm...

Thanks for having me!

I keep watching this. Over and over. Everyone that laughed at how dramatic and silly and scare tactic-y this was. But the oceans feels like hot tubs. A city in Hawaii looks like Hiroshima. I’ve sat in about 50 100+ days in a row in Texas. With no end in sight. Yeah. I’m kinda scared. And not because it’s a contrived scenario. We are living this now.

@J.M.-nb4gw

9 ай бұрын

Sadly we are totally screwed and there's NO chance of "fixing" it now

@rodtrevino7840

9 ай бұрын

@@J.M.-nb4gw indeed good person. Indeed. Probably not in my lifetime. But I agree.

@shama6394

8 ай бұрын

@@rodtrevino7840 if you're 50+ you might get away with it. Mostly. Everyone else, not so much.

@rodtrevino7840

8 ай бұрын

@@shama6394 yeah. Mostly. We are already seeing the signs. What makes it worse is that it didn’t have to be this way. We could have made it better.

@chironchangnoi

8 ай бұрын

we could have stopped or slowed it decades ago. We now need to learn the difference between a problem and a predicament. @@rodtrevino7840

Like Carlin said “The Earth will be fine - the People are fucked”

Mass migrations: check Food and water shortages: check Spread of deadly diseases: check Endless wildfires: check Storm to level cities, black out the skies and permanent darkness: LOADING... woohoooo almost there guys!

@hailtothevic

9 ай бұрын

This week alone there have been *THREE* building-destroying floods around the world! Hurricanes that make Katrina look like a light drizzle, an impeding heat-wave here in Africa, the End isn't near, it's happening

@steven-wi7zl

2 ай бұрын

The mass migration hasn’t even started yet

"Thanks for having me!" best part. Yah I stopped even discussing this issue let alone arguing it long ago. There's a reason billionaires are all looking to a life beyond this planet for those who can afford it. Be as optimistic as you want, it's all downhill from here so may as well enjoy the plummet to the bottom. Just wait until the permafrost melts completely and the methane hydrates join the fun. it's going to be a great time for respirator manufacturers and pontoon houses

@SpydeyDan

Жыл бұрын

Looking for another planet as a lifeboat has always confused me as a viable strategy. It makes no sense anywhere other than Elon Musk's warped imagination. With the right time and resources, would it be possible to make, say, Mars inhabitable? Sure. But as things currently stand, there is still no planet more hospitable to life than Earth. It's like we can't figure out how to reverse the effect we've had on our atmosphere, but they think it's going to be easier to just build a whole new atmosphere from nothing on a lifeless rock?

@murdockpz

11 ай бұрын

​@@SpydeyDanimagine you're a rich mofo developing the technology to survive on a ravaged earth, but you don't want to panic the general populace. What would be a great cover? "No worries! I'm not prepping for the climate apocalypse! This is all to live in space!"

@SpydeyDan

11 ай бұрын

@@murdockpz fair point.

@dobekhil

9 ай бұрын

​@@murdockpzIt's so simple. Why don't people get this?

@christensen1106

7 ай бұрын

They can look all they want. Won't help them f**k all, as it's not a viable solution with out current technology

The two scariest words in the human language coming from an expert scientist in his field who's work hard many years in that field and is being asked to risk it all to tell the truth is "who cares".

Watching this in 2023, and it rings so true. When I first saw it years ago it was hilarious ; today it is anything but funny.

@cesars7281

10 ай бұрын

Hey at least a few dozen billionaires made so much money! Worth it making the planet a fucking catasprothy of wildfires, hurricanes and storms which get worse and worse the more the ocean warms up.

If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they will kill you. - Oscar Wilde

We've got wildfires now, just had an epidemic disease, and food and water shortages are looming. Seems like were are tracking pretty close.

@nurlindafsihotang49

11 ай бұрын

BINGO!

@KatamuroTheFirst

11 ай бұрын

water shortages yes, but food shortages are an issue of logistics not capabilty of growing enough food.

@camx3924

11 ай бұрын

Heh. Wait til the gulf stream fails - which it’s threatening to do in a few years. Then there definitely won’t be enough. We’ll rush to set up new farms but centuries of knowledge about which land is arable will be turned on its head and we won’t be able to get up to standard anywhere near quickly or cheaply enough. People are definitely going to starve.

@seventeen9718

11 ай бұрын

You have no idea. Bees can only withstand temps of 45°c. Once they start dying off in countries that export food, we are absolutely fkd. You can't just plant a crop anywhere; not all soil is the same. This doesn't even account for literally every other animal in a balanced ecosystem; it doesn't take much to disrupt it. We are absolutely, undeniably screwed.

@s8helms1

10 ай бұрын

@@seventeen9718shutup chicken little

"Even though this Climate Scientist job is frustrating, depressing & kinda futile, it's still better than that HR gig at Dunder Miflin..."

One of the greatest scenes in television history.

Don’t forget about the aerosol masking effect. As far as maintaining industrial civilization, we’re damned if we do, dammed if we don’t.

Ten years and the shit is getting real...Siberian peat fires burn throughout the year...Canadian town sets heat record then spontaneously combusts...2030 should be a blast💥

@Vid_Master

Жыл бұрын

1 year later - still going strong and accurately predicted by every climate scientist.

@guyrovella8402

11 ай бұрын

@@Vid_Master Not that accurately. It tends to coming on faster than they predicted.

@Joao-pl6db

Ай бұрын

2024 here. we are still going strong on the prediction.

@monkeyfist.348

Ай бұрын

​@Joao-pl6db thanks for the fond memories by pulling me back to this. Geez, they only had 400ppm CO2 back then. Gonna hit 430 soon, emissions have gone up, perhaps unsurprisingly. Wars are feeling like they are trending up, civil war talk is too. I would ask for gods help, but fictious sky gods don't get involved... ever🙄 Somehow, despite so many breathing smoke last summer, we have to talk about the Orange clown, 24/7...

Terrified me when I first watched this horrified me now

"Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family." - Michael Scott

This is exactly why Michael couldn't stand Toby.

@PeterSedesse

6 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure that is because on a per square foot basis, a George Foreman grill produces more CO2 than any other invention on the planet.

I love this show.

Republican response: Lies, delusion, and slander! Me, meanwhile: yeah, we kinda screwed the pooch...

@javimiami92

9 ай бұрын

Do you even watch the show? Jeff Daniel's character is Republican.

If you live in New Jersey/ New York as of June 2023. You already know everything he said is true. Mass Wildfires in particular

@brandonhopkins6251

Жыл бұрын

and darkening the skies

@SuzanneBlanchard

Жыл бұрын

And the entire east coast down to Florida, believe it or not, and the entire midwest, and Europe.

@brandonhopkins6251

Жыл бұрын

@@SuzanneBlanchard we can't afford another term of Trump, the Republicans are still in complete denial

The sad and scary part is that the show did their research and this is how they presented it but we've still did nothing as a species.

And yet years later people think we still have time. If you have kids just look at them and 😂 at their complete lack of a future.

@thepoetryofpredicament2233

Жыл бұрын

How right you are...

@llarmstrong783

Жыл бұрын

Well we really do. We can't avoid it completely but we can prevent a lot of the damage. A bit premature to tell kids they have no future

@samo131

Жыл бұрын

@@llarmstrong783 yes if we did something today, we might do some damage control, but do you see people in power, or even normal citizens talking about it?

@williamfisher74

Жыл бұрын

We do still have time. The fossil fuel companies want people to think it's too late

@liamblack2574

11 ай бұрын

@@williamfisher74that’s the exact opposite of what they would want people to think

565 GT remaning in roughly ten years ago. Over 35 GT of yearly emissions every year since - althouhg it's not accelerating AS fast as it was - and now we have roughly 200 GT remaining. Current emissions are at 37GT a year... we have five, six years to hit zero emissions, and we have not even reduced our emissions yet.

@Chris-wj6pn

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that carbon "budget" did not even take into account other tipping points which are already impacting us. Being brutally honest here, we're past the point of no return barring some miracle technology development that can put all the genies back in their bottles.

@williamfisher74

Жыл бұрын

​@@Chris-wj6pnTechnically you're right but we still can prevent it from getting worse. People tend to think of climate change the wrong way

@Chris-wj6pn

11 ай бұрын

@@williamfisher74 Yes and no. There is a certain amount of momentum already built in that we can't reverse -- the problem is that we really don't know just how much that is. It's not simply a matter of re-sequestering the century-plus worth of CO2 that's already loaded into the atmosphere and oceans and contributing into unrealized global temperature increase, it's also a matter of figuring out how to reverse all the tipping points that have been crossed (and will be crossed) due to the baked-in warming. Since we don't even know what all those tipping points are and their downstream effects, that's a near-impossible challenge. Don't misunderstand -- I'm not saying we should be fatalistic and give up. All I am saying is that what was regarded as "extremist alarmism" just a mere ten years ago is already reality today, and yet too little of the world (and particularly, too few of those in power) find this concerning enough to actually make necessary and meaningful changes.

@seventeen9718

11 ай бұрын

​@@Chris-wj6pnExactly. Exponential ecological collapse. You kill the birds in a heatwave and suddenly nature is out of balance, the ramifications are unimaginable.

@tatzecom

10 ай бұрын

@@williamfisher74 sure, you can still step on the breaks and hope you dont crash with as much speed into the car in front of you, but you will crash regardless and the impact will still kill you. The time to step on the breaks was all the way back there. Some 30-40 years ago. Or, as a friend likes to say: "its joever my guy, no use in fighting the inevitable on an uphill battle"

You are here ➡️ World heat records started breaking 4 days ago.

The Artificial intelligence drama enters the society now and its gonna screw up the weather further. The amount of water and energy it consumes is very high.

And now we've hit 2 degrees celsius above pre industry levels.

@GeorgeTsiros

3 ай бұрын

with a _yearly average_ of +1.55°C or thereabouts.

This is a few years old, but still one of my favorite clips. This lead me to learn about the concept of moral injury. This was the shame and disappointment I felt upon understanding my complicity by participating in industrial civilization. I was curious about the rate of suicides among servicemen and women and the idea that anyone who put on a uniform had automatically injured themselves. Which lead me to the realization that anyone participating and supporting industrial civilization had done the Earth tremendous harm and knowingly or unknowingly, had also done themselves and everyone else they cared about, tremendous harm. This could manifest itself in an uncaring “doubling” down sort of denial, deepening unhappiness and depression and grief, and possibly forgiveness and an effort at reconciliation with the sources of life around us. Still working on it. Got the grief down pretty good though. Can you have a terminal illness who’s conclusion is foregone….and yet, in some fundamental way, be healed? I think so. But first, a river of tears.

@mischevious

2 жыл бұрын

Consider that every human on planet Earth today save a few indigenous tribes globally is only here as a direct result of fossil fuels. No being is at fault for being what it is, or for living as it’s been taught to live. And try to remember how incredibly fast this is happening. Our population is growing at an exponential pace. When I was born in 67 global population was less than half what it is now. Our species has flourished so well with fossil fuels that we’re now consuming our own habitat in a single human generation. Too fast for most to even see. Way too fast for us to respond to collectively as a species. But still there is no blame. Our behavior is true to the nature of all life. Every species consumes it’s own habitat to it’s own destruction when allowed to flourish unchecked. Our moral obligation lies in the fact that our species is exceedingly clever, that we have flourished to infest the entire living world. And now the only life supporting system that we’re aware of in the entire galaxy is broken. So what matters? What can we do? We can do the only thing that matters. Fight for life on planet Earth in every way we can. Is there hope? No, hope is no more than wishful thinking. Courage is required. Courage to face the truth and grieve for what’s already done. Courage to carry on and to take right action in the face of that truth, knowing you will most certainly fail.

@kirkha100

2 жыл бұрын

@@mischevious I agree with everything you’ve written here and I thank you. It’s not that we did anything wrong- or inconsistent with our nature. We played off our strengths. We are astonishingly successful when regarded apart, separately, from any other considerations- such as recognizing the limits imposed by living on a small, precious, finite planet. Thanks, it’s a comfort to know we’re not alone with these realizations.

@StormZephyr

Жыл бұрын

There is a certain level of helpless guilt I feel, but then I remember that it is helpless. We did not, as far as I can tell, ask to be born into this world, nor into the means by which we continue to exist in it. What we can try to control is what we do going forward once we have the knowledge. There are limits we place on ourselves in doing that, whether to fit in or to be comfortable, especially when facing the reality that it would require an unprecedented and unlikely mass participation to reverse course from a very difficult next few centuries. If your - our - time is limited, we should use it to do what makes us most content, including a balance of trying to do what is best for the planet and therefore for one another.

Al Gore started making noise about climate change from the highest platform 20 years before this clip aired. Nothing.

@llarmstrong783

10 ай бұрын

Didn't he say we would be underwater by now

@kiteinthesky9324

10 ай бұрын

New Orleans, Miami, New York...

@llarmstrong783

10 ай бұрын

@@kiteinthesky9324 The entire cities are underwater?

@fish3977

2 ай бұрын

you mean the manbear pig?

Never watched the show but what a wonderfully strange mix of delivering a horrifying message and making it incredibly funny. And it's the grim truth. We've exploited the planet and its resources. Climate change is only going to intensify. This clip was from a TV show that ended 10 years ago. Think of all the stuff that has happened between then and now. 10 years on and still no real talk to even attempting to tackle the problem. What is coming cannot be averted. The sad truth is we'll continue on business as usual, despite increasing catastrophic weather events, until we lose the ability to feed the world due to the loss of arable land from flooding and droughts.

Well… that aged well.

I think the part that scares me the most about this is that I, as a pretty well off white guy living in America, will likely be fine(for a time). But as food and water scarcity grows and countries begin competing for agriculture, there are so many third world countries whose populations will starve and die of thirst as first world countries abandon them or even worse compete for their resources for themselves. I’m not an alarmist, but the situation is not good. And yet we still have governments that are arguing whether or not it’s even real, as ocean currents collapse around us due to rising water temperatures and cities burn and power grids are strained to the maximum from tropical storms in areas that were previously not considered tropical and record droughts.

@thepoetryofpredicament2233

10 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you. This is likely to be a very cruel final chapter of industrial-capitalist global culture.

@GrippeeTV

10 ай бұрын

@@thepoetryofpredicament2233 as that old saying goes “you can’t breathe money”. And it’ll only get worse as the effects spread, causing those same governments who couldn’t agree on or stick to a policy to use all their resources combating the effects instead of being able to continue their efforts to curb emissions. Scary time to be alive. Part of me is glad I likely won’t live to see the full effects, and I’m definitely not having kids.

@FurnitureFan

8 ай бұрын

It does occur to me that many wealthy nations import most of their food, however. Those first flooded out might well cease exporting while they are struggling. Also, Google food waste in your country. I guess we could put the preservatives back, it might help bridge a hunger gap.

@brunetyannick1174

5 ай бұрын

@@thepoetryofpredicament2233 10 000 year dark age for everybody : the age of chaos, fire and hunger !

I feel fine about this. 1. I am 54 years old, so will be dead before the bad parts really hit 2. I don't have kids :) But really, this is just like cigarette smoking in the 1970s. The Republicans just kept making jokes, laughing about it, delay delay delay.. and because of it, we never got serious about smoking until the 1990s and millions died. More than 15 years after there was conclusive proof about smoking, you could still smoke on airplanes and in restaurants. I mean, remember that in the same year this episode aired, a Republican senator took a snowball into the US Senate and said it was proof that climate change was fake.

@brandonhopkins6251

5 ай бұрын

all I want before the levee breaks is to see the look on the Republicans faces when they have to realize that they are so stupid that they literally ended the world

@GeorgeTsiros

3 ай бұрын

We'll try our damndest to keep you alive and well for as long as humanly possible, so you can enjoy it with the rest of us. It's what grandchildren want for their grandparents, after all! :)

Canadian wildfire gang wya

@christophermurrie5104

Жыл бұрын

Keeping my kids inside yet again because of the “Special air quality advisory”

@twilight9359

Жыл бұрын

Lol Fox News was laughing about it, claiming, “this smoke is not harmful! There is no one coughing from it. The climate cult is using it to spread misinformation.” Literally they said that look it up. Crazy world.

I was a program professionalist and i read 5 hours of climate a day. I recommend to read the uninhabitable earth recommend by the new yoker. Its fucking terrifying that we are gonna reach the carbon budget 2 degrees Celsius in 9 years

@GeorgeTsiros

3 ай бұрын

Uhh... the yearly average _now_ is +1.5°C ?

@user-le6zd4rx5t

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I was super stunned at time and didn't realise, currently we are expecting at least 55% of global population who lives with in 100 kms of the cost line will be displace as we get less and less ice in the anartic and then marine life dies to water acidification and then crop failure and famine as well heatstroke and kidney failures will be on the rise

Presuming the doomerism of this video and its comment section to be entirely accurate, I refuse to give into any depression over this. If I happened to be born in a time in which I get to watch the planet gradually crumble and fall, then so fucking be it. Not my fault, and even if I dedicated my life toward “fixing” this problem it’s laughable to think it’d ever be enough. The only person I have guaranteed control over the actions and attitudes of is myself. So I’m not going to waste time and energy torturing myself, I’m going to live my best life with the resources and time I have left.

God bless Jeff Daniel’s. Too late to pray, however.

Put a fork in us; we're done. 😥😓😱☠️🔥

Have you tried to turn off the capitalism?

@AdrenalineEuphoria

Жыл бұрын

Hey, that's actually a really great idea that actually could have worked if we had started ten years ago.

@ByDesignation

Жыл бұрын

To turn off capitalism, we first need to teach monkeys critical and analytical thinking. But it’ll be difficult if the monkeys are too busy being worried about lgbtq stuff and pedoFiles in our government.

@TheJesus318

Жыл бұрын

Cuba is the only carbon neutral country on the planet, something they're able to accomplish while being blockaded by the US for the past 70+ years. If we had Cubas system and used it all over the world with all the resources we have available we can turn the climate around. It would be hard but it's still not too late.

@ByDesignation

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJesus318 yea we can definitely do that, but then we won’t be able to get jalapeño poppers at Applebee’s for a cheap $5.99

@blueazure9658

Жыл бұрын

UUPPRRIISSIINNGG

Yesterday would have been a great time to get your health and house in order. Another great time would be today.

I love this! Thank you!

From 3:07-3:25 , what's happening now??? All accept the leveling of cities,....yet.

The demise of earth most likely began with the development of agriculture which enabled the population to explode. This, in turn, created a situation where the earth could not replenish resources fast enough to meet demand. The development of technology enabled increased food production but at what cost to the planet! Our biggest mistake was ignoring the fact that resources are not infinite. We have consumed way beyond our planet’s ability to sustain so now we are paying the price, not just for our part but that of our ancestors, as well.

@alexandernilsen9341

Жыл бұрын

word bro

@MrCrappyProduction

Жыл бұрын

Development of agriculture didn't start the decline of Earth as pre-industrial metrics align more with a Malthusian reality where the population would eventually decline from not having enough food. However, you are right with the effects of the Second Agricultural Revolution in the 1700s (the technology development) and it's more accurate to put the start around there

@chief.snowflake3845

Жыл бұрын

damn.

@MichaelJamesWood

Жыл бұрын

The problem isn't so much consumption as it is waste. The amount of food thrown in the trash is astonishing, especially from the military.

Due to less views on this video...the billionaire think tank and IT cells aren't swarming in the comments section to deny truth.

30 years ago we had acid rain.

Maybe subconsciously some people were worrying that 2012 would be the end of the world because it was the beginning of the end of the world.

I suspected we were already doomed at this point in history. Nothing in the last decade has convinced me otherwise.

Where are all the clips from the ep about the Deepwater Horizon? I just watched so many on tiktok but a search here has produced nothing. I know I have seen them before. Have they been deleted for some reason?

Toby kinda knew what he was talking about.

What tv show is this from?

@thepoetryofpredicament2233

9 ай бұрын

The Newsroom

Unsurprisingly it ends the same way it started... "Who cares?"

Humans are very resourceful, particularly under adversity, look at the strides made during Wars, but like Wars, not everyone will survive, if you are smart, you would start planning to survive now.

I am 73 years old & in poor health. My only family members are older than I. We won't be around to see this play out. So, I don't give a shit. Just keep on electing pols who do the bidding of the Fossil Fuel Industry.

@GeorgeTsiros

3 ай бұрын

Hey, at least you reached 73. I'm 44 and I am not sure I want to reach even 50.

@1719456

3 ай бұрын

Well. my friend, thanks to ''big oil'' you may not reach 50.I hope you do, however.@@GeorgeTsiros

To be honest, being fixated on C02 is taking a symptom for the cause. The main cause of climate change is, by far, water cycle disruption. Now, a nice thing about it, is that if we manage to change agricultural practices, and let nature restore ecosystems, the carbon problem would disappear in no time, along with the droughts/flood cycles. An healthy ecosystem regulates the climate. All the carbon released in the atmosphere would be back into the soils with a mere 1% increase of soil organic carbon in cultivated soils worldwide. Fertile soils are in the 8-15% soil organic carbon range. Current degraded tilled/monoculture soils : around 1 to 2%, and billions of hectares are in this state of disarray. Will we ever achieve that given the capitalist greed of the agro-chemico business sector ? Dunno. Do we want to ? Hell yeah, unless we enjoy famines into migrations into wars into water wars etc...

@GeorgeTsiros

3 ай бұрын

The main cause is overpopulation.

@download333

3 ай бұрын

"In no time" is still a long time in human terms. Personally, I can't wait a 100,000 years for weathering to remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

is he, or the writer of the show, being accurately prophetical or what?

EVERYBODY HATES TOBY! HE'S THE WORST!

@llarmstrong783

10 ай бұрын

Why is he the way that he is?

Meh

This is just too nihilistic. It just encourages people to give up. It's also fictional. There are many things we can do to slow or stop this.

@seantylerfermin4927

8 ай бұрын

Like what Doctor Scientist?

@CC3GROUNDZERO

8 ай бұрын

@@seantylerfermin4927 Shutting down capitalism, that would be the first step and should have happened decades ago.

@ayamevest6732

8 ай бұрын

There are many things we could do about Covid also, but most people have considered what it would take to be most effective (strictly masking with an N95 any time you’re around other people), ran a cost benefit analysis in their mind and decided that they care more about enjoying life now than protecting both their own future health and that of other people. In other words, they’re unwilling to do the most effective action (just don’t be exposed) which for carbon emissions would be just use less energy. For Covid mitigation, they are mostly unaware of the next most effective actions, such as ventilation, filtration and humidification of indoor air. I’m sure there are comparable climate mitigation strategies such as reducing food waste through gardening and composting, reuse and repair of clothing, electronics, etc. But once the person has rejected the most effective action as ‘not worth it’ they no longer have much, if any, motivation to engage in lower level ones. I think that as the negative feedback from their previous decision kicks in, the person is traumatized (which they did not anticipate happening, given how fine they felt about their previous decision to do nothing) and rather than admit that they made the wrong choice, take responsibility for any damage done (which in the case of Covid may be very severe) and begin mitigation actions, instead they fall into learned helplessness and give up. Their dashed hopes ends up driving an embrace of their own destruction. The way to subvert this process is not very clear…But I do think that in the way I illustrated above, softening the harsh factual reality we face does not prevent nihilism whatsoever. It merely delays it.

@after_midnight9592

5 ай бұрын

​@@CC3GROUNDZEROThat's impossible with the current system. Better to wait for collapse, then start from 0

@CC3GROUNDZERO

5 ай бұрын

@@after_midnight9592 That's impossible because on its own, the system itself will never die. It will survive even the death of the vast majority of people, the breakdown of industry etc. No new system will ever be able to emerge from the ashes of capitalism because capitalism itself. Better to fight back now than never. If you're against that, your back should be first against the wall.

I'll give up my car when politicians give up their planes

The frog is in boiling water screaming that the person operating the stove is being vilified by the liberals.