I have Rossis that perform flawlessly. Give the 454 to the little girl and get yourself a Daisy Red Rider.

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

The Daisy Red Rider...my dream lever gun. Someday I'll own one. Based on comments and other's reviews on the .454, the quality of rossi seems to be a pretty common complaint. Glad you got a good one though.

@cameronbartlett856

7 ай бұрын

Congrats, but it's dumb to think all Rossi's are made flawless.

@RsFrag3d

6 ай бұрын

@@cameronbartlett856 it’s also dumb to load the mag tube past its limit and judge the entire gun based on your inability to count

@LibertysetsquareJack

4 ай бұрын

​@@RsFrag3dWhat did he think "9 **+** 1" means? If the magazine holds ten, it will say "capacity: 10," the "+1" refers to one in the chamber. It's like that on every firearm where the operator has ability to top off the magazine while the bolt is in battery. A Glock 21 for example has "13+1," which means the magazine holds 13 rounds, not 14. If he doesn't know that, he shouldn't be doing firearm reviews.

@LibertysetsquareJack

4 ай бұрын

​@@SmoknJaysGarageIronically enough, your video actually made the Rossi build quality come out looking better than not: the fact you were still able to chamber a round after exceeding capacity means that the feeding is actually positive and strong; the fact the rifle was able to cycle later for at least two rounds after you f'ed with it using a screwdriver means that the parts aren't chinsy.

User error. You even said the magazine holds 9, and then proceed to force and struggle and jam with all of your might a 10th round into the tube. Just because you can (with great effort) jam another round in the tube, doesn't mean it's designed for that. The gun still managed to function after you monkeyed around in there for 20 minutes with a screw driver. Sounds like a sturdy and reliable firearm to me.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Those 20mins where 20yrs of experience that got it to fire 1 round.... yup, totally my fault...

@timdimon8214

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s supposed to be in the chamber. Not the magazine. 9+1.

@fishlife1013

8 ай бұрын

​@SmoknJaysGarage i agree with this guy you didn't follow the instructions and it failed ti do its job 9+1 doesn't mean shove that 10th round in the tube

@TheTruthseeker1231

7 ай бұрын

LOL! Damn 9 round tube won't hold 10 rounds! Garbage! LOL!

@Ineeadifferentusernamelol

5 ай бұрын

I know this video is kind of older now but I can say I am almost 22 years old and I’ve been shooting shotgun since I was 18. I think this tube thing is common in my shotguns and sometimes I will download one of the shells and it’s to help ensure reliability of the shells into the chamber. I seen this more with semi auto shotguns compared to lever action or pump guns and it has something to do with the spring pressure having issues feeding. However this part with the spring and follower just simply needs to be taken care of and if you can try loading up to 8 instead of 9 and see if that helps. Just my advice I know im young and I can’t say I have a lot of experience so I don’t know much but this works for me so it’s what I’ve been doing. Thanks.

As a long time gunsmith, it's pretty common knowledge that you often have to put a couple hundred rounds through a mass produced firearm before it's "broken in" and can be relied upon. The buckhorn sights are traditional, old-school and many guys using old school rifles want the whole package. I've worked quite a few Rossi's and those worked well. Actually, I've never had one come into my shop for repair.

Yeah why do you think they call it 9+1?

I can't stop laughing. Thanx. And to be recoil sensitive to boot. My glass holds exactly 9 ounces, lets put 10 in it.

Allow me to explain why you had a round under the shell lifter. You jammed in one too many rounds. There is a cartridge stop that retains rounds in the tube magazine. It has a pivoting head and a cantilever spring. When you feed in rounds, the cartridge stop head pivots to allow the cartridge into the tube until it goes in far enough. It then snaps back to retain the cartridge in the tube. When you jammed the 10th round into the receiver, cartridge stop head remained pushed aside. Normally, the cartridge lifter comes down and pushes the cartridge stop head out of the way. The magazine spring shoves that round onto the cartridge lifter, and the snaps closed to retain the next round in the tube. What happened was that cartridge 10 was under the lifter. Thus, it can not lower and be fed a round. Yes, it is that simple. Misfeeds that followed may have been caused by you jamming in a screwdriver, working to bend the cartridge stop head out of the way. You may have damaged the cartridge stop or bent the cantilever spring. To solve the problem, the correct way, requires disassembly of the receiver. For that, you would need a proper size screwdriver and punch to push out a pin. I do not recommend removing the magazine cap with 9 rounds in the tube. The cap and spring will exit the tube uncontrolled with considerable force. Next time, when the manual specifies 9 rounds, don't jam in 10. In the meanwhile, have a gunsmith inspect the cartridge stop for damage. Rossi 92 rifles and carbines tend to have a rough action when new. They will break-in and smooth out with use. Likewise, the loading gate spring is very stiff. Its spring will lighten up with use. Do what old school lever gun guys do. Push a round in just half way. Then, use the next round to shove it in all the way. Don't try to push in a 10th round. Just use to get the 9th in. Hopefully, you didn't bugger up the cartridge stop. If you did, it can be replaced and adjusted for best function. Lesson learned. Good luck going forward.

@LibertysetsquareJack

4 ай бұрын

Great comment. Was sorely needed.

That rifles rated for a 9+one capacity. that means you put nine to the gate and cycle it bring the hammer to a rest and put another through the gate. Then you have 10 you can’t jam 10 into the gate and expect to cycle worth a crap. I have a half a dozen Rossis including the 454.I’ll admit not as nice as the Winchesters. However I’ve never had a real issues with them I think a lot of your problems are the combination of a new gun and user error.The only Issues I ever run into them as they always seem to be a little off from the factory and I have to sight them in.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Then I guess that another complaint I have...if the magazine is designed for 9 rounds, then it shouldn't hold 10. Every other tubular magazine gun I own won't hold more than it's supposed to.

@RsFrag3d

9 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGaragereally? every tube mag lever I have will fit more

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

@@RsFrag3d I only have 22 other lever guns. Maybe you just have more than me.

@RsFrag3d

6 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage u told another commenter you have 25, which is it? Your complaint is that u don’t count how many rounds u put through the tube? You understand how ridiculous that sounds? Caveman logic

@SmoknJaysGarage

6 ай бұрын

@@RsFrag3d that comment was 2 months ago. I've increased my collection since then.

I have 6 Rossi R92 stainless rifles including the 454 Casull. Love them all. My favorite is the 44Magnum in 20 inch barrel. I have Stevesgunz peep sights on three of them and will eventually put on all 6. My only complaint is the loading gates are stiff when new.

Spent most of the video loading it ? I watched other videos , and they function just fine . Heard their quality is very good . 🤔 Must have been the shooter . 🙂 Have a nice day .

Have 5l R92s and they have all cycled great. No issues.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

51 is a lot!! I admire your dedication. If you scroll through the comments, or watch a couple other videos, you'll see I'm definitely not the only one that had issues with rossi. But I'm glad yours shoot ok

I’ve owned several Rossi rifles and never had an issue. I owned a super redhawk in 454 casull and it was a handfull

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

Hearing comments for y'all, seems like their quality is really hit and miss. It's about half and half, love em vs hate em.

I have the same gun exceptmine is great qualityand works flawlessly! Looked for one for like 10 years before finding one brand new for $750 and i love it. Hornady 240gr xtp chronographed at 2300fps(+/-) and 300gr at 2100fps(+/-) so it's almost as powerful as the hottest 45-70 but hold 10rds.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Judging from other owners, they seem to be really hit and miss on their quality. Glad you got a good one.

I have a 16 inch 357 mine was doing the same exact thing. After about 200 rounds of 357, I broke the firing pin ring I believe it was. I had a local gunsmith repair it and give the action a once over. It runs a but more reliably but still has its moments.

Wow you are catching a lot of hell from the Rossi lovers out there lol. I liked how the video went from optimistic, to acknowledging some shortcomings, to full on hatred and disappointment haha. Seriously though there’s a LOT you can do to a lever action to make it work better for you if you are just a little bit handy. Take it apart. Use some high grit sandpaper and polishing compound to smooth out the contact areas. Smooth off any burrs that are on the loading gate. I’d even alter the mag follower a bit and let that last round fit in. I’ve done all this stuff to a $1200 blued Winchester and I only screwed up on sanding too high up on the bolt so a bit of the removed bluing is visible. Haven’t shot it yet because of ammo prices but working the action is much smoother than before. Also I’d put some grease, not oil, on most of the contact points. Old wood and steel guns seem to do better with grease.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice. I'm not as mad as I was, maybe I'll give it another try.

@Almost_Made_It

9 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage ya just watch some disassembly videos and see if you think you can manage. I actually like guns that need a bit of tuning. I always feel the need to customize them to my liking

@willrogers1090

7 ай бұрын

I have two of the Rossi model 92s. Both are stainless steel. From the factory, I think of them as "model 92 KITS". It is almost a guarantee that they will benefit greatly from a serious tune up. Both of mine were rough and in serious need of major tuning work. I worked over both of them at different times, starting with disassembly and cleaning, followed by a slow and careful smoothing and mating of parts. The "top" surface of the hammer and where it rides on the underside of the bolt during the cocking of the action is particularly important for smooth operation. If those surfaces are polished very smooth it really helps. Replacement of the main spring, ejector spring and magazine follower springs (this one only needed shortening) with lighter springs was also done. (Only as much spring force as needed to do a reliable job and test fitted and lightened several time to get it right.) Finally, I resized and completely radiused and deburred the loading port and the edges of the loading gate. I won't go into the rest of the details here, but the final result was that both rifles are the smoothest operating, nicest to shoot lever actions that I have ever had the chance to test. They run like greased glass on ice, load any cartridge I have tried and have been remarkably reliable. Both of them can be easily cocked with only the little pinky of my hand in the lever. It is well worth the time it takes to make a rossi 92 right. From the factory, they are a decent starting point to a great GUN but only that. Careful fine tuning will result in a SUPERB rifle. If you don't feel capable of doing the work yourself, or don't have time or desire to, there are gunsmiths around that specialize in tuning model 92s. Good luck with yours. :)

Haven’t had any issues with mine. About 500 rounds through my 357 so far. About the same though my 45 Colt. I use them more often than my Winchester 94.

Honest ? Did you do a complete tear down and clean it before doing this shooting? Like got the bolt out and hammer assembly out and clean it up from any packing grease and if so did you try it again to see if it was just need some breaking in? Just curious before i buy one lol.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

I did not. I gave it good wipe down and few drops of oil...that's how test every gun I own.

@Noname-dw6oy

9 ай бұрын

@SmoknJaysGarage thanks for getting back to me. I completely understand there are guns you should run even with packing grease. And some you should clean. I just saw your responce to other guy about cleaning it. I would like to know if that works or not. I would like to get a rifle to pair with my revolver. And 1k is alot of money. So any feed back after you try would be great

It's not the gun it's the user.

@SmoknJaysGarage

6 ай бұрын

Then why is this the one gun I have trouble with? I've 25 other lever guns that shoot just fine. If I really was the issue, I'd have trouble with more than just 1 gun out of 100+.

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

@gldwngIIOO after this gun I literally tried to over load all my other lever guns. Shockingly, every other gun only holds it capacity. Weird how that works it's it??

Thanks for the info!!!

@christophercraig9469

9 ай бұрын

I was thinking of a Rossi,, had heard of somewhat poor quality…, unfortunatel…. So I’ll have look at the marlin 45-70 sbl 😎🤓

I suspect you have a semi-buckhorn. The purpose of a full buckhorn is to use the upper ears for long range like a crude vernier volley sight. The semi will give you some of that effect.

Maybe you should educate yourself on an item before using it let alone trashing it. First off you jammed it up by forcing the extra round and then it to you 20 minutes to clear it??? Why didn't you take the loading tube out or didn't you know that it has a secondary loading feature??? Watching you shoot it anyone can see that the rifle fires ejects and cycles as it should - boo-ho if you have to lever it 100% - that's the way its built and I don't have any issue with that - and FYI I have a 9422M Winchester that is the same don't lever it completely it cops an attitude. Take it out of the safe toss the bi-pod in the trash get a grip on it and shoot it like it's meant to be. But maybe read the instructions first???

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

Rossi doesn't have a tubular load, only a side load. I think you're thinking of Henry. They have the option to load either way.

@mazparts007completeautospa2

7 ай бұрын

Strange... Mine has a removable magazine tube and so has every other Rossi chambered in 454 Casull that I've seen on other reviews. I find recoil is directly proportional to how hot I choose to load it. It's one of the most versatile rifles I have. 250gn Colt loads @ 850fps is like shooting an air gun and everything in between up to full power Casull.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

@@mazparts007completeautospa2 none the ones have seen have a loading tube. Unless you take the whole gun apart, but the tube isn't easily removed.

@patrickcalhoun6284

5 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage Mine has both the loading gate and removable tube with a cartridge shaped hole in the outer tube for loading. also works very well and is one of my favorite guns i own. mine is about 10-12 years old tho so maybe that is the difference

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

@@patrickcalhoun6284 maybe the old ones did? The new ones definitely don't.

Apparently you think that just because it’s a rifle there should be no recoil….. notice the slim lines? It’s a lightweight gun. Lightweight guns are easier to carry in the field, but they generally will have more felt recoil, especially with heavy loads. Did you not see that the magazine tube unscrews and pulls out? That’s to allow loading thru the cartridge shaped opening on the underside of that tube…….or you can fight the loading gate. In addition, if you do need to free a jammed round in the mechanism, it allows you to empty out all the remaining rounds while you work. And maybe, with the magazine tube empty and the spring tension reduced, that jam might just clear itself. I also unscrew the tube to unload the gun. It’s a lot easier on the cartridges than using the lever like you did just throwing them on the concrete floor.😐

Great video. Thanks for your honest opinion.

I have a few Rossi Lever Rifles. That includes a 454 Casull. I have taken all of them apart and very lightly, or a little heavier on the ones that needed it, rounded edges and polished the edges. Although not as smooth as my Winchesters, or my Marlins, it has helped very much on some. Some it still helped, but I wish it had helped a little more. They all shoot well. It’s just that some are very smooth. Others are smoother, but I couldn’t get them as smooth as I wanted. And it does seem that all Rossi loading gates are small. I rounded those edges and polished them. I also did some very minor and careful work on the spring area of the loading gate. It helped. Be careful to keep your loading gated edges straight. Just my experience and opinion. My favorite of them is a stainless .44 Mag. It shoots very well, it’s very light, it’s stainless so fewer worries, and it fits my hands very comfortably.

I wish someone else would review this rifle 🙄

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

If you search KZread, there's several other people that have reviewed them as well. All of the ones I've seen, seem to be pretty in line with my experience as well. Of course I'm sure I haven't seen everyone.

I’d take it apart and polish some of the metal on metal places. Then maybe it will cycle for you better. Them things have some sharp edges that smooth out with use.

@timdimon8214

8 ай бұрын

Haven’t had to do anything to either of my Rossi’s except break them in. They run great. Both my 357 and 45 Colt.

As the sign says, muzzle pointed down range. You violated that at the begining showing the wood and steel

I think I'm getting one. Looks like a nice rifle.

I have 3 Rossi rifles, including the one you have there. Is not that they’re bad rifles but the trick to them is that they require more careful care to them than other “upper brand” guns. For example, I had to tighten all screws right out of the box of one of them. Also, lube and clean before and after shooting of another. Point is, just don’t expect to be “perfect” right out of the box and you should be fine. Besides, where are you going to get another 454 Casull rifle out there? Big Horn Armory for about $3,000 or so? No, thank you and I’ll stick to my Rossi.

Unscrew the cap on the end of the tube and drop the shells in

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

That doesn't seem very practical.

@Gioeli76

3 ай бұрын

Can't. Those models don't have that feature. They did a run of it a few years ago and it did have that feature and it is so much better.

Mm... seems like alot of user error and possibly unfamiliarity with lever guns. You said hold 9.... that means typically 9 plus 1, meaning one in the chamber... ive got 3 rossi lever guns in 3 different calibers, all are accurate as hell and have never givin me any reliability issues of any kind. Ive even hunted with 2 of them with great success and have probably put close to 1500 rounds through them collectively. You stated you wernt a fan of rossi, or the sights, shot a handful of rounds and say now its gonna live in the safe and spent a grand on it for what then? Just for the caliber? Just seems like poor decisions all around.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I only bought this because of the caliber. Rossi is one of only 2 companies that I'm aware of that make a lever action 454 Casull.

@earldelsanto

3 ай бұрын

9 +1. Means 9 in load and 1 chambered. Even in tactical world in pistol world that's what it means . Not 10 in the gate. You aren't a gun guy if you aren't hip to this my friend. What did you expect from a little 92 model with a casul round?????? You have a government paid for degree in what? Sure ain't firearms. Don't even know What 9 +1 means ...dude weak.

You need to do a action job on those and smooth out the loading "Gate" also Rossi needs to make this in a heavy octagon to help with the recoil that's what I did with mine I had a custom 24" octagon installed that gives the rifle better weight to soak up the recoil !

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

That's probably my biggest complaint...you shouldn't need an action job on a $1k gun.

@loupuleff571

8 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage agreed but it needs done if your handy there pretty easy to do.

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

@@loupuleff571 it'll be a good winter project for me.

9+1 means 1 chambered 9 in the magazine 😢

@SmoknJaysGarage

6 ай бұрын

Then it shouldn't hold 10.... I have over 100 guns and none of them hold more than they hold...

I have a r95 in 30-30 the trigger is floppy and it gouges the brass when you load it. I think i can fix the gougeing by sanding the edges of the loading port

I got one in 480 ruger and I have put it through hell and back and I have never had a single issue with it.

@SmoknJaysGarage

3 ай бұрын

I pulled my apart, put all new springs, filed and honed everything inside, and it still does cycle worth a crap.

454 is less punishing out of a my Super Redhawk than my 16” Rossi. The Rossi cycles well but kills brass.

Also see guy who purchases a 6lb rifle in 454 Casull and complains about recoil.

Agreed if I could pick one up for 750-800 I wouldnt mind putting in the extra work. My Mossberg 930 spx came with chunks of plastic inside and very rough edges. Had I not taken it apart it would have been a nightmare but instead it runs everthing I can throw at it. There is ussually a reason a gun is inexpensive all the hands on tinkering is neglected so you have to do it yourself or buy a Beneli that has been refined by a craftsman. Or a Big Horn 90a for a measly 5 grand. Im sure its a much nicer gun and would love one. But sometimes even they have problems people are just embarrassed to complain about them because they paid so much. 🤷

Interesting vodeo, yes vooodeo. Will take it with two grains of salt. Now will go out and load twenty-one rounds into my twenty-round mag, well, maybe.

@SmoknJaysGarage

3 ай бұрын

Hey, if it fits, send it! Right? All my other tubular load rifles with not even take half of the "extra" cartridge. With as difficult as this gun is to load, it's pretty easy to think it's not full yet. I can't speak for everyone, but I rarely count as I load. I just keep going til it's doesn't take another one.

I have a Rossi 454 and my feed tube can come out and loads like on a Marlin 22. Mine doesn't like the Colt 45 bullets though.

@SmoknJaysGarage

4 ай бұрын

The older ones could load from the tube? I'm not sure. The picture on their website shows a tubular load. But mine doesn't have it.

@brianwhite4595

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the older ones have a loading door and a tube load option. I love mine but it kicks like a pissed off mule on crack.@@SmoknJaysGarage

I do not concur with your review. Based on the way you review and take position, ya may be one of those guys, if I had ta guess. My Rossi 92 in 454 is maybe a decade old, possibly one of the firsts, maybe the quality has slipped, but mine is superb. It’s amazingly accurate with the 240g Hornadys, way more accurate than I thought a lever could ever be and on-par with many of my bolt actions. There’s nothing wrong with the trigger or action. Mine came with a factory recoil pad and a factory raised rubber cheek pad and I’ve never thought the recoil was anywhere near what you purport. My 92, in 45C is about 5 years old and it’s equally as good.

@marlenzacharias7301

9 ай бұрын

I also own a older one and I just recently bought a new one and the new one sucks in every way compared to the old one

@user-hp5wo3db3j

9 ай бұрын

@@marlenzacharias7301 That’s sad, because the two older ones 45C & 454, I own are great, especially considering the prices I paid for them. I am confounded how accurate the 454 is, because it’s on par with my precision shooters and levers aren’t typically, no strike that, ever as accurate as mine. I scout scoped it with a Leupold and was checking annual hunting/scope accuracy before a deer hunt. I tacked up a makeshift target and hung it on a T-post of the ranch’s fence. I took 3 shots at 120 yards and shot (accidentally) the T-post in half. I’d known it was that accurate, but wasn’t actually thinking about, nor intending to damage the property. I had to drive an hour back, buy a replacement post, gather stretching equipment, and go back out to replace the post. To shoot a t-post in half with three shots is something I didn’t even think was possible before that incident. That’s a quarter sized group at over 100 yards!! I’ve experienced that kinda accuracy sever times hence and it’s always inspiring. I don’t find the round aerodynamically impressive, but I guess when you explode that much power and have a barrel longer than the round was designed for, physics says it’s gonna go straight!

@marlenzacharias7301

9 ай бұрын

Yea my older pre safety one also shoots great. 300gr xtp mag over max charge of h110 shoots clover leafs at 50 yards all day long.

@user-hp5wo3db3j

8 ай бұрын

@@marlenzacharias7301 I took my grandson hog hunting last weekend. He asked if I would bring down “the lever gun”. He had shot & liked my stock 45C Rossi 92. I grabbed the scout scoped 454 and headed to Texas. As we waited for nightfall, he set up a Mountain Dew can atop a chest-high sapling 50 yards out. (I only shoot 454 in my 454) My grandson opened the door of his new F-150 and had the rifle hand guard resting on his window that was rolled up about 8” and the muzzle was inches away from the side mirror. When I saw this I yelled and stopped him. He immediately had thought that the wood on the side glass was a problem, to which I said, “the report will shatter both your glass and the mirror and that in all likelihood he was even to close to the front fender paint. We put the truck sideways and dropped the tailgate, but he couldn’t get comfortable like that so his first shot ever with a 454 was off-hand. (He’d shot the 45C, so that’s what he was expecting) He absolutely drilled the pop can. He shot it two more times and missed the 4th because he was obviously predicting the report (the kick in not bad at all, but it’s crazy loud). I’m pretty sure I’m gonna have to put it in my Will that he get that rifle…. It’s crazy accurate and easy to handle.

Might want to wipe the tears off before putting it in the safe.

So…you absolutely abused the action, and then called it a piece of crap for over stressing it? 9+1 means it’s 9 in the tube and 1 in the chamber. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone absolutely smash a spring and then blame the gun.

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if I've ever counted out ever round I load... I put in as many as I can fit...never had a issue with the 30+ other lever guns I own. If they didn't want 10 in there, 10 shouldn't fit.

@01MEGABOB

7 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage this is like saying that a sedan makes for a poor dump truck. YOU over stressed the mechanism. It states plane as day, 9+1. Everyone but a novice KNOWS that means 9 tubed and 1 chambered. Sure there’s space for 10. But 10 doesn’t work reliably, so they said 9. Ignoring that and inserting 10 in the tube is YOUR fault for stressing the system, not the systems fault for leading you on or whatever the hell you’re trying to say. Not the same. You are wrong.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

@01MEGABOB I have 30 other lever guns that hold what they hold. Who counts out their rounds every time? Literally no one. If they did what that many rounds in it, it shouldn't hold that many rounds. Not a single other brand out there will fit rounds that you can't load. Nice try though.

@01MEGABOB

7 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarage can’t count. And you have children. God help them.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

@@01MEGABOB they're fine, thanks for asking

Did you try 45 Long Colt ammo with it?

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

I did not.

@TheBeefSlayer

2 ай бұрын

It doesn’t work in lever actions trading rounds,

Well done and I agree about Rossi levers. No comparison to Henry although no 454, which is why I was considering it…but not now. I have other Rossi levers and not too impressed.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

While this is the only Rossi I own, from what I hear from others, their quality is very hit and miss. Some people love them, and some people have a lot of issues.

I have the R92 in 454 casull as well and its had a number of issues in less than 100 rounds. if anyone knows how to fix the common issues i'd love to know.

@RookCustoms

2 күн бұрын

What issues are you having?

@FRISKYxDINGOxx

2 күн бұрын

@@RookCustoms at first it would just cycle rough, but then the little lift just completely stopped working. I actually just sent it to Rossi cause it had a warranty

I have a Rossi I have had for 15 years in 45 colt. Never an issue with it

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

Cool. I've had other guns too that work fine.

I've had 2 rossi 92 and they both sucked from the factory. I know that feeling when you get a gun and then it just fails in all mechanical manors. They jammed, in the loading gate, under the loading gate, etc... They also shaved brass REALLY bad. The first one (480 Ruger) I sold off then about 8 years later decided to try again (357). The second one I took completely apart and honed everything. Take it to a gunsmith and tell them to hone every moving part in it, do a trigger job, reshape the loading gate on the receiver and the loading gate door, reshape the chamber lip for easier chambering, remove the stupid little safety (your hammer at half cock is your safety), I honed all edges with a file, and sand paper, and I had to do some extractor work and bend the loading gate arm/spring to lighten up the loading gate. I also took a file into the inside of the loading gate and pulled up while I filed to round and open up the receiver portion of the loading gate. I also added shims to the rigger to lighten it. After all the work, It felt like a smooth Winchester and finally functioned properly. It would be awesome if Henry brought out a 454 and 480 ruger. Lesson learned. If you buy a Rossi, there is a 75% chance you're going to have to have a gunsmith work it over or work it over yourself. I kind of wish I would have kept my 1st rossi in 480 ruger and worked it over. Also a note on the magazine. Even if you can load 10, use it as a 9 shot magazine and your spring will last longer.

Id take it to a smith and have them do a trigger and action job on her. I want one for myself in 454 as well. Never heard anyone complain about the gate though. For what they are, theyre great little brush guns and in a caliber like this, theyre absolutely kill anything on earth guns. 454 casull has killed elephants out of handgun length barrels. Sucks you got a bit of a lemon, but no manufacturer is perfect not even henry, marlin or even big horn armory which makes a 500 magnum levergun. Also, little tip on the loading gate, use a sharpening steel like for your kitchen knives and it'll smooth up and burrs or edges in the loading gate that make it hard to feed or that bite your finger.

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

Definitely not what I expected out of a thousand dollar gun. But good advice. And I do like the 454 rounds.

Great video, however, your judgement is a might bit hasty. I wish you would have shown the targets. 9 + 1 means 9 in the tube and 1 in the chamber. PS you have great potential for makeing videos!

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

I meant to show the target. I had footage walk out to and back from the the target, but not actually showing it. I did have a pretty good group though. Accuracy didn't seem to be an issue.

Rossi 92 often aas bit rough. Cycle the action 300 times dry, not adding oil. Will feel like a different rifle. Stop jaming a screwdriver thru the loading gate. Could have easily pushed round forward from open action. Stop putting 10 rounds in a 9 round magazine. Letting your temper get ahead of your brain is not helpful.

It's always a good idea to familiarize yourself with the safety rules at the range. There is a sign right behind you maybe you should read it. There's a reason I stop going to public ranges and now pay for a private one... If I owned a range rule one no video cameras.

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

Fortunately for me, this isn't your range and filming is allowed.

I have 30 30 its amazing.

@SmoknJaysGarage

3 ай бұрын

The 454 definitely isn't amazing. Based on other owners and the amount of videos on how to fix them, it seems like a lot of people got a bad one. Glad you didn't.

You can send it back to Rossi. They will fix it at no cost and then you will love it. They will replace it if it’s not repaireable. I sent mine in it came back perfect.

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

Rossi's customer service has been less than helpful so far.

@RsFrag3d

7 ай бұрын

Fix what?

@caileanmacanndraigh8580

6 ай бұрын

@@RsFrag3d my apology for not replying to your reply right away I have been ill. What I am saying is if you have any complaints about your Rossi rifle You can contact Rossi and they will correct any malfunction or imperfection with out question. If any thing breaks or is not functioning to expectations Rossi will correct it or replace the rifle or any other of their firearms.

@RsFrag3d

6 ай бұрын

@@caileanmacanndraigh8580 i was asking fix what because from what i saw in the video nothing is wrong with it

This is a man's rifle. Treat it as such. You're too soft with it. Work the lever with authority! After your break in period of about 100 rounds you may think differently.

stands in front of a sign that says point muzzles downrange proceeds to do rifle PT.

@SmoknJaysGarage

6 ай бұрын

Gotta do something to give people like you something to bitch about. 🤷‍♂️

You load too many rounds in it and then it malfunctions and you blame the company. 🤦🏻

I had one of the first 454 from Rossi, it fell apart on me, the recoil caused the feed tube spring to pop loose, and the barrel clamps could not be tightened. It cycled RN rounds fine hollow points would jam on feeding.. Over all a bad piece of workmanship. At that time no spare parts avaliable. Over all a 5.

You’ll notice a surprising snap due to recoil with handgun cartridges in rifles. Main reason is they’re designed to go get good burn in a shorter pistol barrel, meaning that when they have enough powder to push a 300gr pill at what say 1500fps you need to use a quick hot powder. Put that together and you’ll have a snappy, maybe not super hard, but quick and snappy recoil.

@RsFrag3d

6 ай бұрын

2k fps

If you cut your spring and follower you can get a 10th one in

@SmoknJaysGarage

22 сағат бұрын

I have since cut the spring. Mostly for easy of loading.

Mister, A bipod has nothing to do on a lever gun

What are the ballistics of the 454 out of a long barrel? Anyone know? I'd imagine cuz it shoots the .458 bullet that it would beat the 450 bushmaster ballisticly

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

A 300gr bullet is just 2000ft/sec out of the 20" barrel. I'm not sure how that compares to a 450.

@RsFrag3d

4 ай бұрын

.452 bullet not .458

I just bought one been chasing one in 454 casull for over 3 years. Fit and finish is great. Shoots really well. I own 3 rossi lever rifles no problems with any of them. Price may be a little bit extreme. But there ain’t to many choices in 454 casull if you really want one. Sorry you’re having so many problems.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

I wish someone else would make this caliber. After talking to several other owners, it seems rossi is really hit and miss on their quality. Some people are really happy, and others are rather unset like myself.

@exothermal.sprocket

9 ай бұрын

They were going for 1200 or so about 2 years ago. They've come down to upper 800's now.

Were your only issues with the rifle the recoil and and the feeding? If so, I can't see this being a fair review. As others have mentioned you were causing the malfunction by trying to jam too many bullets in the tube. That's gonna cause all sorts of feed issues if you do manage to get that 10th in the tube

@SmoknJaysGarage

20 күн бұрын

Recoil was really more of an observation, not really a complaint. I was out yesterday giving it another try after cleaning up all the burs on the bolt and receiver. Never loaded more than 4 rounds, and it still jams all the time. So I'd say my review was fair. And I stand by "This is the worst gun I've ever shot"

My question is...why did you buy it ?

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

Because I wanted a 454 Casull. That isn't a very common lever gun caliber, and very few companies make one.

Do you want to sell it ?

Does it's kick less when ur standing up?

@SmoknJaysGarage

7 ай бұрын

Not really. It's definitely manageable. It's just a lot more than I was expecting.

Well, you have told us a lot about you with this rant! Don't buy another Rossi...it is your loss.

@SmoknJaysGarage

8 ай бұрын

Don't worry, I never will. I've watched some other people's videos on the same gun, jamming seems to be a pretty common issue.

Very poor review. Does not square with my experience with a Rossi 92 or their .357 revolver which I’ve had for 20 years and both are reliable in my experience.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Very poor comment. Don't square with my review at all. But seriously, yours isn't a 454 and it's a revolver.....probably some differences there. After my my unbiased review, I watched several other reviews on the same gun. All the ones I saw were in line with my opinions on the gun.

@RsFrag3d

7 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGaragehe said r92 and their .357 revolver. Can’t count.. can’t read.. and you upload videos of yourself whining..

You and your rifle need a break in period I think.

give it to me I'll take it

Can't blame the gun. This is user error. My 357 and 44 Rossi never had issues over the last 10years and 5k+ rounds through them both.

@SmoknJaysGarage

4 ай бұрын

This isn't a 357 or a 44, it a 454. And it seems to be a common trend with the 454, and just about every other person I have talk to or heard from has issues with theirs as well.

You were were talking crap from the get go. I think it could have functioned by itself and printed 1 hole groups and you wouldn't be happy because it didn't say Winchester on the side.

Takes new gun out and complains action is stiff🙄then proceeds to exceed stated capacity. But yeah its the guns fault🙄every gun has a recommended break in. Grow up

I had 3 rossi r92 in 44 mag all had barrel quility issues had all three slugged and barrel was not straight had alot of steps in it and all three would fling bullets all over the place reason i gave up on them and the customers service sucked had two returned with "barrel replaced but slugged them again same issues and quality is not great as my with winchester 92's originals for $1000 id buy a Cimarron clone rather another Rossi there junk ive owned alot of Rossi plua there owned by Taurus which there quility isnt as good either i owned alot of Taurus's as well same sometimes yoh get a good one but most time there junk i know i owned 20+

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Customer service definitely sucks! The only thing they have going for them, and reason I bought one, practically no one else is making a lever action. 454

@Garydasnaill

9 ай бұрын

@SmoknJaysGarage Yeah that's true one other company makes a 454 casull but there expensive because they build them to order

@Garydasnaill

9 ай бұрын

@SmoknJaysGarage The company makes a 454 casull, 460 s&w and a 500 magnum lever action rifle my buddy got one in 500 magnum kicks like a mule and shoots dead on but it is very high quality and made in the USA

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

@GRTfishing195 I didn't realize they were built to order. I just saw they were out of stock and required a $2500 down-payment. (Probably a prepayment of the entire cost) So I moved on.

@Garydasnaill

9 ай бұрын

@SmoknJaysGarage yeah big horn armory makes them to order that's why they need a down payment and yeah they are $2500 rifles

You should not have overloaded the magazine. That's why it jamed.

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

It jams with 2 rounds in it too

What in the hell was this??? Work that lever gun like a mule and it will run better, you can't baby them they hate it. .454 casull does not recoil that hard. If you reload my advice is buy a case of 250grn. 45lc fmj and re-seat the bullets long and run them all through it. I shoot alot of big bore revolver and I have always been underwhelmed by recoil. Maybe it is because I am a larger man 270# 5'10" I shoot my .460 and .500 one hand all the time, my 6.5" .500 sports wood grips.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Compare it to my Henry...my 8yo daughter can easily work the action, and even short stroking, it cycles without jamming. For a $1k this has a horrible action. I've seen better out of a $350 gun. You have 120# on me, I bet that makes a difference.

@RsFrag3d

7 ай бұрын

@@SmoknJaysGarageRossi makes better firearms than Henry. The R92 is one of the strongest lever gun actions you can get. I have 2 Henry’s, a 30-30 all weather and a .44 model x. They were made in January this year and they’re both in warranty for broken firing pins. It’s the .44s 3rd trip to Henry for broken firing pin. Henry is a Marlin 336 clone that uses MIM parts. Even the firing pins are MIM.. over priced junk..

I know this video was made some time ago but imma spout my 2 cents anyway. My Rossi 454 functioned fine with factory loaded 240gr slugs. When i tried my handloads with 300gr, it wouldn't feed at all. The overall length was too long. I had to do a lot of tweaking to get it to feed properly. Now it's like butter. But i do agree, a $1000 rifle shouldn't be so finicky and require so much breakin and polishing.

Rifle performance flawlessly Overloads rifle with one round more then manufacturer says it can handle.. Jams rifle Fixes rifle after jamming it due to negligence Rifle continues to shoot fine Rifle is a POS Really?

Rossi says the mag holds 9 and you force 10 rounds into the mag. You're the problem, not the gun. You demonstrated no sensible failure of the gun, only a failure of your judgement.

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

I didn't "force" it in. If the gun only holds 9 rounds, then it shouldn't fit 10. PERIOD! I tried loading an extra round in every other lever gun I own. Not a single one would even come close to taking it. This is 100% the gun. And I 100% stand by my statement...."The is the worse gun I have ever shot in my life".

Shiocton?

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

Yes

@frankbrumbeloe4827

5 ай бұрын

Spent many a day out there shooting. Including days you almost had to swim out to retrieve targets.

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

@frankbrumbeloe4827 I was there afew time when it was flooded. Definitely not as fun.

@frankbrumbeloe4827

5 ай бұрын

Yup. It's a great range though. Used to just be a berm where people that got kicked off good ranges went. They really cleaned it up, built it up, and tightened up the reigns.

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

@frankbrumbeloe4827 yes, they've really made it nice over the past years. Great with kids too, cuz they can swim or play at the park.

If you don’t want it I’ll buy it from you.

Learn to count and take responsibility for your actions

@SmoknJaysGarage

5 ай бұрын

This is only the 2nd stupidest comment...close but no cigar.

That gun is all about killing. The 454 is """Death"""...!!! Rossi's are a gun like the old lever 99's and 1895's. Everyone who owned them said exactly what you just said. Now they are worth more than they ever paid for them like worth twice to 3 times. If you get a lever gun and like it out the box it's a garbage gun. It will not last. The ones that suck brown water and is the worst gun you ever bought. Will also be worth #3 to 4 times what you paid for it. I know I collect guns. And own several Rossi's. I have the 16-inch 44 mag and it's my trail and Mountain carry. It only holds #6 rounds. But it's like carrying a Daisy bb gun lol. Everyone who has handled and shot it, have also bought one exactly like mine. My advice is to shoot that gun often and push those bullets and if you hate the sites change them. But keep that rifle. In time you'll love it. 454 rifles are extremely rare. Rossi had a waiting list for over #2 years on that exact model. Sometimes advice is all you get, that may be worth something...!!! If it were me I'd only load 8 rounds in her. #1 round of 454 will kill anything that walks the earth, so the other #7 probably won't ever be needed. As far as the recoil, she is a thumper. But you'll start liking it , I first shot my 44 mag it scared me. after a while it grew on me, after a while I loved it. Still do. It's a gun thing. Peace.

I got a revolver with a 2.5" barrel that shoots this. Its not that bad.

Lol you are 100%%% the problem 🤣

@SmoknJaysGarage

4 ай бұрын

I hear what you're saying...but I have 26 other lever gun that all work just fine. So is it really me? I think not.

I bought one aswell and couldn't agree more about it being absolute crap.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one. Really disappointing though, especially at their price point. I expected a lot better.

Lmao use your firearm correctly and you wont have a problem. A high point over that 😂😂. Worst gun i have ever owned i will never own another but iam gonna keep this one. 😂

What a cry baby! You are in the wrong business sir😢

Ehh. You are just too darn particular.

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

I work hard for my money. If I'm going to spend a thousand of it, you're damn right I'm going to be picky. Lots of nice things you can get with a $1,000 And BTW, it's "too"

@glengrandstaff9695

9 ай бұрын

You have got to give the gun some break in time. Also when loading do not push the round all the way in. Makes the next round much easier to load. I don`t know where you purchased yours, but I got my Rossi R92 chambered in the 454 Casull from Buds Guns for $879.00. Again I just think that you are too particular and unfair with your review. Take however you wish. I think that it is a fine rifle and one hell of a powerhouse.@@SmoknJaysGarage

@SmoknJaysGarage

9 ай бұрын

@glengrandstaff9695 I just bought mine, maybe 6wks weeks ago. I know what you mean about not loading all the way, but I felt like the round popped back put if I didn't push it in all the way. Whereas other lever guns I'd had, the round would stay put and hold the door for the next one.

My rossi guns shoot flawless..plus it's new. gonna be stiff..when I load It I put the shells in 3/4 and use it as a guide for my next round..no finger pinch..😉

Any updates on the gun? I seldom critique or spew negativity but you did try to jam an extra round in there. Now, if the gun took a dump on you while loaded 9+1 legitimately, i would agree. Looked like it was running fine and ejecting with authority before you tried to overstuff it. Im seriously thinking about the 454 but also want their new 45-70 trapper. Seen it at a show recently and it looked nice. Pockets were empty though 😢

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

I haven't shot it since this video. However it did take it apart and replace all the springs, file the burs etc. Still very hard to load. Still scratches the crap outta the brass. And when cycling 4-5 rounds will typically jam 3-4 of them.

@ihatenewyork

2 ай бұрын

​Sorry to hear that, the only Rossi to ever give me a problem was a 16 inch 45LC. Out of spec extractor that I pretty much had to figure out on my own, but the rest I have run great. Hopefully you get to figure it out eventually, a thousand is not a small amount for something that doesn't work...​@@SmoknJaysGarage

@SmoknJaysGarage

2 ай бұрын

@ihatenewyork I have it on good authority that Smith&Wesson is going to make a 454 later this year. Hopefully that is correct and I'll get one of those.