Everyone talks about the price - what exactly are you looking for in a watch? Gerald Genta designed the AP Royal Oak, Patek Phillipe Nautilus and the IWC Ingenieur. When AP and Patek Phillipe charge minimum $30,000+ for the Royal Oak and $36,000+ for the Nautilus - if you can even get one - no one says a word. The movements of the AP Royal Oak and PP Nautilus are NOT anti-magnetic, the have a subpar 48h-52h power reserve (Ingenieur has 120-hours) and they are NOT 100m waterproof. This watch took over 6-years of research and development. It has alternating brush and polishing that is luscious and in person the dial, especially the Aqua, is absolutely incredible. So if still you believe the price is not justified for an iconic, historically significant timepiece designed from the legendary Gerald Genta that is significantly a much better watch in terms of movement compared to AP and Patek’s sport timepieces - then I don’t know what to tell you. All things considered $12,000 is a phenomenal price.

@Zemin91

Жыл бұрын

On point. Everyone is just bashing on the movement. To me it’s about celebrating a legendary design more than its movement. You don’t choose to wear a watch because of a movement 🤷

People who say IWC is overpriced... In my experience, the build quality of IWC is up there with THE BEST and is clear on every model I've experienced, even their older "simple" 7750-based chronographs. You pay a premium, but you get excellence.

Love the new design but at $12k that’s tough to comprehend.

IWC has just hit the ball out of the park ❤ Just fantastic

Clean, I’m a fan!

Thanks for this historical account of the IWC Ingenieur and fantastic, detailed review. Yes. The pricing does appear €2,000-€3,000 too high.

Love it

Funny how no one mentions the IW323902 from the early 2000 which is 40mm and almost identical to this new launch.

@julbor9002

Жыл бұрын

Dial, bracelet, movement, thickness, size, everything is a LOT worse on the IW323902

$12k - honestly there is nothing else to discuss once you see that price.

@FABM27

Жыл бұрын

Does the Nautilus justify its price?

Excellent!… in addition to your price analysis, consider that when factoring for inflation, it’s actually cheaper today than it was in 1976 and the relative cost with the AP and PP is better today than it was in 1976 👍🏼

Nice😍

12K is ridicilious!!!

@TheMrleeyang

Жыл бұрын

inflation, so its all good

@monjet1801

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrleeyang when comparing to other brands IWC is way overpriced. Nothing to do with inflation just delusions of grandeur by IWC thinking they are on the same level as Rolex, VC and everything in between.

@gyulapanszky7805

Жыл бұрын

Time (and secondary market) will tell…

@Wvk5zc

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrleeyang you use the word inflation too freely. How about overpriced?

@jchong416

Жыл бұрын

This is a 7 to 8k usd watch

If price is an issue, why is there a 4-6 month waiting time for the black, white and aqua, and a 1-year wait for the titanium version?

Wei been getting lots of beach time

Jeremiah, what sweater are you wearing? What’s the brand?

Should be around 8.5k

I'll buy that 3D printed watch from you Wei! It's only 3D printed so it shouldn't cost an arm and a leg right?

This is IWC finally realizes it was completely dumb to depart from the original Genta design with the previous Ingenieur. Lost touch with the public for years while other brands were selling integrated bracelet models like hot cakes. Even Tissot got a piece of that pie... shame 😩

Can IWC 32111 movement compare to patek, Ap and VC?

@bombazine2

Жыл бұрын

No, also not in price

For me an amateur with limited budget, I may choose to buy 1 piece of Baume & Mercier Riviera 39mm with Baumatic 120 hours USD5500 (inc VAT) or a new Tudor Black Bay GMT Polar white (newest 2023) dial USD4500. If I am not mistaken, both IWC & Baume are using the same caliber (as sister's company of Richemont) IWC Ingenieur 40mm 32111 caliber 120 hours USD11,700. Am I right? IWC MARK XX pilot USD7500 - uses the same caliber as well. Movement: IWC calibre 32111 (manufacture, ValFleurier) - automatic - 21 jewels - 28,800vph (4Hz) - 120-hour power reserve - central hours, minutes and hacking seconds - date at 3 o’clock

@poloman888

Ай бұрын

Then wear the B&M or Tudor and tell us about the experience.

My prediction is in 6 months, 30% discounted in the grey market;)

First integrated bracelet sport watch?! Are you sure?!

really comparing this to a Patek, AP, and VC? 12K is a lot for something like this. C'mon Wei... or should I say "right?"

Queue the incoming comments about it being too big….. and how gentlemen back in the day used to wear sub 36mm watches..

I love IWC, the dial is awesome, those crown guards man... why? just why? Looks like a Bremont Supernova

Basically revamped 3239

@NATNETINARELLI

Жыл бұрын

@r2l100 to figure out no one want their plain ingenieur

@jonathanbonilla7683

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing when I seen the 3239. It's like people are acting like that watch didn't happen. This watch is slightly different sure but it's still looks like a 3239 with a slightly different finishes and obviously a different dial. Both are nice watches but ill be looking for this in a year for a discount. They regret not sticking with the organial design and rightfully so they are going back to Genta design. But they can't take back how far they went from his design.

I have the Mark XX which has the same movement. It runs incredibly accurately when it is fully or near fully wound. Unfortunately, when I leave it in my drawer for a few days and it is in the second half and more towards the end of the 5-day power reserve the movement runs incredibly fast - way too fast. This happened just today when I picked up the watch after not having worn it for a few days and the watch was two/three minutes ahead of the actual time. It's definitely not a good look that IWC is using its customers yet again as beta testers for new movements. The exact same happened with the 5000 series movement some ~20 years ago - only one mainspring barrel with huge power reserve and then running super fast towards the second half of the power reserve. IWC has since fixed that by adding a second mainspring barrel but it certainly left a bad taste at the time. Sad to see the same thing repeat again with this movement now. Please don't view this post as unfriendly criticism or trying to put down IWC as a company. I am into my fifth IWC watch now and I am looking to add the new Portugieser 40 with the salmon dial for which I already put an order in with my authorized retailer.

Originals are still so much better

The price is stupid. 13.000€. Comparing it to AP or Patek is ridiculous. This watch is 3000€ more than a sub.

@josenoventa6852

Жыл бұрын

Stupid high or stupid low? And how much does a Sub cost to make?

@timeisahumanconstruct9251

Жыл бұрын

they named all the integrated steel sports comps so the logic makes sense. the sub is not a comp.

@monjet1801

Жыл бұрын

@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 how about the Tissot? 😂 In all seriousness IWC is nothing but marketing of so so watches with ETA movements. Nothing wrong with it just dont charge 10K plus for that stuff

@timeisahumanconstruct9251

Жыл бұрын

@@monjet1801 IWC uses a movement from their sister company, Val Fleurier. In-house movements are overrated anyway because everyone designed their "in-house" movement from a mass-produced ébauche at some point. Even the 15202 and the 5711 ripped off their current movements from JLC. All modern "in-house" movements are essentiall ripped off from Lépine movements going back hundreds of years. The dirty secret in the watch industry is that everyone copies and uses suppliers to help them create the veneer of "in-house".

@monjet1801

Жыл бұрын

@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 check again… they actually state it’s an ETA movement. So what are you paying for?

For 12k I'm getting a Rolex, Omega or Cartier. Won't even mention brands like JLC or Grand Seiko if we're going to talk about relative value for money. I mean Tudor are asking for much less for that gorgeous Burgundy Black Bay that is METAS certified. IWC and the glorified ETA in this watch can't justify this at all.

It’s a pass for me 🧐

Too big, this in 36mm would be great!

@bombazine2

Жыл бұрын

40mm is a better size for a man and 36mm for a woman.

feedback is quite clear.... price is too high. Bad move from IWC trying to bring back an iconic watch design. They were too late and it will never be like the Royal Oak or the Nautilus. It's the one left behind, only for enthusiasts and not the masses...and the masses bring in money. So bad pricing decision and one they will regret for sure.

You guys talk too much….less talk more watch!