The New Find Familiar is Busted
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The new find familiar is busted bro. Missile cat go brrr
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@Salad_Pickle
Жыл бұрын
What about frags inside the speedy courier chest?
@LucanVaris
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If the Primeval Druid is coming out in the new Giants book (especially if it's unchanged), then you'll already be able to launch Fireballs from your Animal Companion. You'll just have to launch them from a Primeval one. Step 1: Take 6 levels in Primeval Druid, for Prehistoric Conduit, and pick up Beast Sense. Step 2: Take 5 levels in Light Druid, picking up Fireball. Step 3: Find a town with a sturdy gate and a nice tavern, and let your Companion explore the nearby countryside. Step 4: Rent a nice room in the tavern, kick your feet up, and maybe order room service. When you're ready, cast Beast Sense. Thanks to Prehistoric Conduit, and the fact that Beast Sense has a range of _Touch,_ you'll be able to see and hear everything your Primeval Companion discovers, wherever he goes, from the comfort of your bedroom. Step 6: If your Companion finds something that looks like it's worth the effort, cast Fireball, determining the range from your Primeval Companion. Thanks again to Prehistoric Conduit, you'll never have to care about how big the room is, because your Companion takes half-damage from failed saves against spells you cast, and _no_ damage on successful saves. This combo essentially allows you to play D&D from the comfort of the nearest tavern, while "Guilmon" keeps launching Pyro Spheres at the local wildlife and/or bandits. Plus, if your Primeval Companion ever gets into serious trouble while exploring, all it takes is you expending a use of Wild Shape, and he's right back in the bedroom with you. Then, you can either send him back out to explore, or share some of that room service you ordered earlier with him. Enjoy. :D
@lozm4835
Жыл бұрын
The form requires you to 'opt' in to future emails in order to recieve this. That seems kind of predatory, and I'm wondering why you'd partner with such a group?
Pact of the Chain Warlocks: _Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power._
@OscarMi-Res
Жыл бұрын
Lol me with my pseudodragon cripplingly poisoning enemies bc I have 20 charisma
@sunshine_pond7951
Жыл бұрын
@@OscarMi-Res Same here, my Imp loves stinging BG's in the butt 😂
@mingchen7704
Жыл бұрын
I usually use my imp “raven” as Sniper lookout, with her own small sniper rifle. Eldritch blast and sniper rifle raining death upon our foe from 600ft away, then misty step away every turn to re position. We are more difficult to pin down than our rogue.
Small note - the fireball necklace always worked. It was never an attack, so familiars could always use it.
@donniejefferson9554
Жыл бұрын
I feel like most of these worked already. Nothing says your familiar can't drop a bomb
@benjaminkingsley-jones7832
Жыл бұрын
@@donniejefferson9554 exactly; the main change is in magical weapons or, my fave loophole that used to be dubious but now definitely works: cannons. Swarm of familiars becomes a useful spell as 3 birds can unload 8d8 bludgeoning damage per turn
@donniejefferson9554
Жыл бұрын
@Benjamin Kingsley-Jones One could almost argue for cannons being usable already. They have an attack roll but it uses the stats of the cannon rather than the operator. It takes an action to fire but it doesn't take an attack action to fire
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
@@benjaminkingsley-jones7832 Birds cannot load a cannon as it would be very difficult to maneuver the cannonball into the cannon without hands, pour powder without hands, and effectively impossible to thread a wick and light a match without hands. Also, a hawk would not even be able to carry a cannonball in its talons, as a cannonball is about 4 inches across and smooth, and a hawk's talons grow up to about 1.5 inches.
@TheMightyBattleSquid
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Throwing something and the attack action are two very distinct things in dnd.
This guy is like the fun uncle who agrees to watch his nieces and nephews but always sends them home ramped up on energy drinks and triple fudge ice cream cake. Parents, enjoy!
@avalanche1990
Жыл бұрын
I feel attacked 😂. While I'm not him personally, this comment describes me to a T. Not energy drinks, though. Still too young for such things. Sugar, though, that's always fun
@ebonezra8073
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@@avalanche1990 lol I hope not energy drinks, but I was trying to be dramatic 😉 How about triple fudge milkshakes and s'mores?
@avalanche1990
Жыл бұрын
@@ebonezra8073 yes. So much chocolate and ice cream. Though I do get to hear the effects of it since they live in the same house as me so even better🤣
Magic stone would work pretty nicely as well. Currently using it with our artificer who got atrocious stats for attacking. Practical
@icenic_wolf
Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this, but you beat me to it. 👍🏽
@sirbassoon1844
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@@icenic_wolf You also have an artificer with atrocious stats whom you need to feed magic stones otherwise he becomes useless in combat?
@kyleanderson449
Жыл бұрын
You do realize they have a way to use intelligence. Their magic stat.
@sirbassoon1844
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@@kyleanderson449 not if they burned through their spell slots and only have utility spells as cantrips
@kyleanderson449
Жыл бұрын
@@sirbassoon1844 they can use weapons they put invocations on with the intelligence stat. Also give them firebolt or something.
Half of this "busted" stuff can be done already. Nothing stopping you from giving a wand of magic missiles to your familiar now in 5e.
A druid has access to the Magic Stone cantrip, allowing your familiar to attack using your wisdom modifier with no magic items
Dear God you've turned me into an anarchist
I used to use the dragons breath spell on my raven familiar, it allows a non-attack action to use a pretty powerful breath weapon, and can deal several different elemental damage types
Not to mention this unlocks the shove and grapple action, whish you don't even need any items to do!
@jasonbuckley4118
Жыл бұрын
Dont you get disadvantage to grapple 1 size bigger than you and a fail anything 2 catagory size bigger than you ?
@WinterMcDuck
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonbuckley4118 yeah, you do and most of the time that will apply. However, the flying monkey and almiraj are optional additions to the list of familiars who's size is small size instead of tiny.
@mykulpierce
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonbuckley4118 enlarge and permancy would solve that
@richardwilliams3080
Жыл бұрын
honestly, having familiars attacking would mean you can make a really tough beast master wizard/sorcerer. Mix and match enough spells and when you roll initiative, your innocent looking cat turns into a very big fire breathing monster. It would be very cool and possibly, very broken.
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't though.
Tiny bit deadly. Also I imagine someone doing this to the tune of 1812 overture
@BYERE
Жыл бұрын
Well now you’ve said that, I know what my next Bard/Artificer character will be doing…
Don't forget things that add damage to certain Attack rolls.
You can also polymorph them to get better physical attack options. Made a incorrect ruling before by letting a Familiar Polymorphed into a T-Rex attack.
@tovekauppi1616
Жыл бұрын
You can only polymorph something to an equal or lower CR. It’s based on the targeted creature, not the caster. So a familiar can’t be polymorphed into something powerful.
@alexanderleonhem
Жыл бұрын
@@tovekauppi1616 Well holy crap. Thank you, I missed that
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't matter. DnD Shorts conveniently forgot to mention that One DnD specifically says that your familiar can only attack if you use your reaction to command them to attack.
Owl stealth bomber
@Drekromancer
Жыл бұрын
Huge
Familiars could always use magic items in 5e.
@Monister
Жыл бұрын
Yea altho they can't use items with an attack roll
@GaryBirdmin
Жыл бұрын
@@Monister Necklace of Fireballs says that you can use an 'Action' to detach a bead from the necklace and throw it up to 60 ft.
@loganproudfoot
Жыл бұрын
@@GaryBirdmin and the fact that it's an action to do a thing without an attack roll means that RAW, familiars were already pretty good, until they get sniped by an enemy archer or random AOE
@GaryBirdmin
Жыл бұрын
@@loganproudfoot @Logan Proudfoot How about via an old leather boot thrown at them by Big Jim the local drunkard.
Additionally, having a familiar that can attack may also help disrupt concentration spells. Sure it may not do much damage as base, but if your attack fails to end an opponents concentration, your familiar can give you something akin to advantage.
Monkey gets killed, villain picks up fireball necklace..... OOPS ;P
@eclairdawnlight8470
Жыл бұрын
@@MsKeylas there are plenty of spells with a range equal or greater to that of throwing a fireball bead.... On top of that longbows and crossbows have insane range. At most being on their master they're getting cover, but AOEs also nullify cover. My comment was primarily a joke lol, but yea there are ways to counter play like this
Find familiar could already do most of those things. It could not attack, meaning take an attack action but it could use its action to do anything else. Having it carry and drop a vial of acid onto enemies was always viable.
That sounds pretty fun!
my real life dog can attack too, but no way can use items, is it written can use items ?
@nickkennerson2708
Жыл бұрын
I believe as long as you have the find familiar that has thumbs or a ability to pick up items like a monkey then it should work there’s no rules against it.
@lucas_lipp
Жыл бұрын
All creatures can use items, as long as they have appendages that would reasonably allow that, rules as written, as far as I know. So, throwing a bead from a necklace of fireballs, for example, is something familiars can do already, since it doesn't require an attack roll. I think it's a popular strategy in optimization, but I might be misremembering things.
@malusvir
Жыл бұрын
@Nick Kennerson "There's no rule against it" is a really poor argument. There's no rule against crossing out all the numbers on my d20 that aren't just 20 and writing over them. We don't need a thousand-page rulebook detailing every single thing you *can't* do - that's absurd, and it shouldn't require further explanation.
@lucas_lipp
Жыл бұрын
@@malusvir While I agree that it's not the best argument on its own, I assume he meant that rules as written, they can use (magic) items, and since there's no rule that specifically says it doesn't work, it's one of the cases where it's just a regular thing familiars can do, as far as I know. Then again, if an issue with a rule ever comes up, it's up to the DM to make a decision, which is why we don't need a rule for everything you can't do. I think a part of the fun in DnD is seeing what you can all do, and as long as everyone has fun, there's nothing wrong with trying to be creative.
@nigelhirth2181
Жыл бұрын
I'd rule that no, a dog or weasel or whatever using something like a wand of magic missile is absurd. I might allow something like a magpie or monkey that naturally uses tools to use simple items. Now assuming something like an imp or pseudodragon as in the improved familiar is a different thing entirely; they are as smart as a person and plenty capable of using items like wands and such IMO.
My character once threw such a necklace onto the ground to get away from townguards. Needless to say that 7 fireballs in the Center of a packed marketplace wasn’t my best idea. But Klaus survived cause he had fireresistance. On 2 hitpoints.
@shadowfate05
Жыл бұрын
The necklace does explicitly state what happens if you throw the whole necklace, and it definitely doesn't cause 7 fireballs. It just ups the level it's cast at by 1 per extra bead (In this case, 1 9th level fireball, average of ~24 against something with resistance to fire)
Artificer are going to go wild with the magic items
In 5e I give imp a sack w/10 flasks oil & a flask of alchemist fire. Imp gose invisible, flies 20 feet up over an enemy, drops sack everything breaks setting area on fire. it's not an attack to drop something so Imp stays invisible.
this is another one of the instances where I laugh in 3.5 as my familiar casts spells and runs around healing the party and summons a giant beetle
:: Diabolical Laugh ::
How would a cat even hold the beads or throw them
As the grognard I am I'm used to familiars being able to use skills attack and even magic items. Old school familiars were awesome if you could keep em safe
If they allow backwards compatibility with the Chronogy wizard you can now make an infinite army with Arcane Abeyance
Once upon a time, all familiars could attack. Of course, you suffered greatly when your familiar died. It was a different time.
The old Find Familiar could do most of these things.
Being able to attack is not the same as being able to operate a magic item. Throwing a bead from the necklace of fireball isn't an attack, it's using a magic item.
@Tyler.8046
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... From my reading the playtest is poorly worded, specifically it states that they're able to take an attack, if you spend your reaction. It doesn't clarify what this attack looks like, and if it's only their "Otherworldly Scratch" action. I highly doubt I would rule that you could use a magical item in place of that, unless it was clearly stated otherwise. You could essentially use a reaction to throw 4-9 fireballs with a range of 180 feet...
@poweritupmuthafucka
Жыл бұрын
I dont think dropping a bead is even 'Using a magic item'. If it's able to carry the bead its able to drop it.
@Tyler.8046
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@@poweritupmuthafucka Necklace of Fireball specifically states you have to use your action to hurl a bead. Not to mention, a free action fireball sounds absurd... It looks like in current DnD it could use the necklace normally RAW, but with the way One DnD was written, it's unclear what actions it can take on its turn and if that includes using a magical item.
Imagine an eagle dropping bombs over your enemies heads. *Ride of the Valkyries plays in the background*
Bout to have my owl familiar flying around dropping bombs like a plane
Does this mean warlock’s Imp can now do it’s 1d4+3d6 poison attack on its initiative?
@austinjeffries5741
Жыл бұрын
It could anyway
@markjaeger2668
Жыл бұрын
@@austinjeffries5741 not without the eldritch invocation that lets it. Because Warlock’s familiars can’t attack on their own action per 5E
@austinjeffries5741
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@@markjaeger2668 That's stupid. It should run the creature as the creature. Any DM who makes his happen isn't worth being a DM.
@markjaeger2668
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@@austinjeffries5741 agreed but it is in the rules
@austinjeffries5741
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@@markjaeger2668 Yeah but it's 5E. Those don't matter
I'm now picturing a kamikaze pigeon familiar.
I wonder if theres a combo of classes that would be able to give your familiar the ability to use smite. Unless they changed the ability to cast spells through famillars
@woutvanostaden1299
Жыл бұрын
Well the warlock's sprite does use a weapon and smite spells apply to a weapon that touch, so you might have to touch the sprites "longsword".😅
@potlach001
Жыл бұрын
@@woutvanostaden1299 im just wondering does it consider the pixie an extension of you since you can cast spells through it.
@PeepingJim
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't just taking Ritual Caster:wizard on a Paladin allow you to cast find familiar as a ritual, then use smite through it? 😅
@potlach001
Жыл бұрын
@@PeepingJim maybe lol im pretty rusty with dnd rules and have no clue about any rules or books past xanathars guide ((edit spelling))
@woutvanostaden1299
Жыл бұрын
@@PeepingJim Aren't most smite spells range of self and I seem to remember that it was touch spells that find familiar works with.
"Now your monkey can throw fireballs" Someone hide this video from Ashley Johnson!
I love the cat with ammostrips. That's the kind of familiar I'd want 😂
Fun to see the video you were working on during the stream, and I'm glad you made a happy discovery.
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
I mean he's completely wrong about all of it but yeah
Que the "I don't understand why enemies keep targeting my squishy familiar! It's so unfair!"
Necklace of Fireballs and a Hawk familiar. You have a fucking mini stealth bomber as a pet.
all this will turn your familiar into a walking target for the monsters to take out first lol
Giving a monkey the ability to throw fireballs sounds like the best way to die
I actually had an idea for this before, have an artificer make a rig on a hound that allows it to hold a hand axe in its mouth that it can swing left and right on a mount in the rigging.
Now imagine if you're familiar with a flying monkey
So what you're saying is sharks with lasers could be a thing in my next campaign lol, ah D&D the game that truly has it all
I give my monkey a grenade! ..."roll wisdom check to see if your character will 2nd guess that"
Even with a base attack of one you can use that to try and shake out a failed concentration check from a caster.
Or a party member makes it attack the barbarian on turns they haven’t taken damage so they stay in rage
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
I mean. The barb can just make an unarmed strike on themselves as per RAW though...
Tactical thermonuclear kitty!
Cast haste on the monkey. Double fireball.
Don't forget casting dragon breath on your familiar too, need only an action to use it and get 3d6 damage on a dex save.
when your owl familiar is flying over head droping vials of alchemists fire on the enemies
Give the familiar a bag of wands and enjoy the havock
My follow-up question. Do you really want your pet monkey throwing fireballs
Also combine with the ability to cast spells through your familiar. Imagine an own using flyby to hit with booming blade leaving enemies essentially unable to move and with no mele targets
Give your familiar holy weapon 😂😂
My arcane trickster going to love this
You can give holy jewelry to the rabbit? You can use your puppy as a suicide bomber?.... evil grin intensifies.
Your telling me i can make Snowball from Life of Pet my Familiar with fireballs and bombs... the possibilities are endless
Also if you could give them advantage, if you use the necklace of fireballs, you can throw multiple beads to make it go up that many levels. Theoretically with an average of 7 beads, that's a level 9 fireball...
Assuming your familiar can physically throw said items
the only attack action used in your examples was throwing the bottle of acid. the rest are use object actions. which your familiar can already do. the main limiting feature keeping familiars from doing these actions is the lack of hands. a hawk cant hold a wand but it can drop a bead. things like that. people just seem to under utilize their familiars.
Your dm: "how can your cat familiar use necklace of fireballs or be intelligent enough to activate other magic items? They don't even have apposable thumbs."
*find familiar* *strap tons of necklaces of flames on* *send into enemny base*
Additional fact: both the attack and object interaction action are extra actions you can take while hasted. So give your familiar a haste spell and a ring of fireballs, vials to throw, or even a spell storing item from the artificer and you can just have a companion huking out spell after spell after spell one after another. Scorching ray, fireball, you name it and it works.
@ShadowmancerLord
Жыл бұрын
That is incorrect. The playtest clearly says that Familiars can only make an attack if you use your reaction to tell them to do so, your boy just "forgot" to mention that because this video is clickbait. He also failed to mention the attack is 1+spell level, not just 1.
Give the familiar a necklace of fireball make sure familiar cant be hurt by fire then have familiar walk into room then use all seven charges at the same time
Seems like everyone else has already said what I was going to: There were already plenty of ways to give your familiars de facto attacks, as long as an attack roll wasn’t involved, so the practical effect of the change is minimal. Who doesn’t love dragon’s breath on a bird familiar bombing the field with a 15’ diameter elemental AOE from overhead.
3.5 familiars copy the skills of their owner, so having maxxed Use Magic Device and a Raven (who can speak) allows you to cast a second spell each round from a scroll or wand.
Not to mention even 1 damage forces a concentration check 😊
Wand of magic missile and wand of fireballs, probably the two strongest ones here, already work in 5e
Flock of familiar just became a great spell
when I eventually play dnd I will make sure to have my eagle drop beads from a necklace of fireballs cant wait to get my character killed by a very angry dm
If being able to attack turns a familiar into a walking module solo, the party is already multiple walking middle silos.
Also, if your familiar has the right appendages (monkey hands, crab claws, octopus tentacles, etc) you can give them light weapons. They won’t be proficient, but it will increase their damage output. Summon a monkey, then give your monkey a knife.
Nevermind that if they can attack, even for 1 pt of damage, that disrupts concentration on spell casting.
Time to make bazelgeuse in dnd
So ... they're just restoring something that familiars had in earlier editions. 3e let you have a raven familiar that could wield wands, because they can speak the command word.
Familiars could already use items and use magic items, so they already could toss fireballs from a necklace of fireballs. A favorite trick of mine is to use that on an owl to literally dive bomb people. They can also deliver healing potions if they can lift them, and have the anatomy to remove the cork. I also very much enjoy using familiars to deploy ball bearings and caltrops in the midst of battle. They are a useful control option. However, he is correct that giving them the ability to attack is quite strong; the ability to use throwables is very good but I don't think overpowered. Fun and creative tho!
Personally I’m leaning towards a bomber owl, but you do you with the heavy artillery cat dude.
And even with all the crazy combos, DMs will still avoid targeting familoars for fear of player sadness. And don't forget that enemies readying attacks against flyby attacks are a great way to fix an annoying problem
Have a flying companion that drops bombs from above Just be ready to summon it back up after your dm gets fed up and has someone throw a stone at it
rat with a greatsword
this is going to get normal familiars shot all the time XD there is a reason why this is pact of the chain XD
As many others say, a lot of this was already fine. Of course the balance is that any bad guy sees a monkey throwing fireballs, thinks "sod that" and murders the monkey (easily) and realises that it could pick up those fire beads it was throwing.
This does require fingers and hands though.
Currently you can cast touch spell with them
Flock of familiairs. Have 3 of them
Pet rocky raccoon
Familiar can already use a magic item like the necklace, it's confirmed by Crawford too!!!
My DM would make me train it.."Monkey's throw stuff, but unless you train it to throw it at an enemy, what's to stop it from throwing a fireball at your friends or that shopkeep you argued with?" The attack it does is the one dmg attack it does instinctively. Until you train it.
Yeah would be crazy if your 1hp low AC familiar carrying an expensive magic item like the fireball beads were to get shot or stabbed
My Dm would never give me this necklace because he knows I'd save it until I had the opportunity to throw the whole necklace down a dragon's throat to detonate 7 fireballs simultaneously inside the dragon
In 3e I had an imp familiar armed with a short bow 🤷🏼♂️
Arms of hadar cat
I always thought it was kinda stupid that familiars couldn't attack, especially because, for example, there's a VENOMOUS SNAKE in the list of potential forms.
Give it five minutes and someone is going to turn a toad into a domestic terrorist
There's this item in my game that throws out a random spell so it could cast fireball or enlarge
Man, can't imagine someone already strapping dynamite to their owl familiar and using it as a kamikaze drone. That would be horrible 👀
Familiars can already use magic items like wand of magic missiles. It's not an attack, the type of action is using a magic item. Just like drinking or administering a potion.