I feel like the main issue isn't that the show contradicts any of the games, its that it makes them almost entirely pointless. Why bother caring about any questline in or around the areas of shady sands or New Vegas when both are just going to be wiped out anyways?

@hereLiesThisTroper

Ай бұрын

I think that's just fine. It's in perfect theme with Fallout.

@julianreviews8102

Ай бұрын

If you replay New Vegas, there’s a lot of dialogue that suggests NCR is on the brink of collapse anyways, so this shouldn’t be that surprising. There’s no jobs, the army is splintering into little bands of deserters, and depending on your actions in Vegas you can absolutely kneecap the entire NCR in terms of trade, killing their president, etc.

@jacknewquist6213

Ай бұрын

Well Vault 4, 31,32, and 33 do create some plot holes in fallout 1 with the main story, but I can look past those, other than that yeah I agree with you

@mr.ryceguy6854

18 күн бұрын

Why watch a movie if you know it's gonna have an ending? Why live a life when we just die at the end? I'll tell you For the experience, the adventure, the feeling, that's what it's about.

Me an Enclave Fan: Payback for Navarro

@oakinson1585

Ай бұрын

God bless the Enclave

@angelmendez2211

Ай бұрын

their not gone their seem to be a communication between each state problem. that what todd said in response hinting their not gone at all. same like the enclave.

@user-uz5gg8wr5y

Ай бұрын

​@@angelmendez2211yeah, they are not gone, just wiped out from all major cities and region of their highest power, where all big cities of NCR stands. So, instead of mighty, agressive and yeah, corrupt superstate of Wasteland we would have minutemen!

@angelmendez2211

Ай бұрын

@@user-uz5gg8wr5y they had multiple states. Boneyard and sandy sands are some. but Bethesda did mentioned the hub being annexed in fallout 4 as well as san Francisco being fallout 5 location.

@user-uz5gg8wr5y

Ай бұрын

@@angelmendez2211 yeah, exactly. And despite all this cities to be in the region of series, we see close to zero presence and existence of NCR. Like, ok, Shady was blown up. Where is all other major cities in the same region?! Where is army, trade caravans and everything?

If the fall and bomb were separate events there would have been a separate date... Also they moved Shady Sands to LA and compleatly changed the origin of it from an adobe farming village into a city inside the ruins. This compleatly breaks and ignores the plot of fallout 1 btw, this would also mean vault 13 and 15 had to be in LA on top of Junktown, Boneyard and the Cathedral, wow just like Bethesda liekes it, whole game self contained inside 1 city! I suppose Necropolis was one of the LA districts as well (would make sense since we see alot of ghouls in LA while canonicly they would live in Dayglow almost exclusively in NCR)! And the Hub? Let's cut it out, it's too organized and civilized, water, farms and caravans? Thats boring, wasteland shouldn't have any sort of economy!

@YOGI-kb9tg

Ай бұрын

Bro Todd revealed in an interview that the bombs dropped after new Vegas.

@filipzietek5146

Ай бұрын

@@YOGI-kb9tg You mean repeating the fan theories trying to explain his bullshit. Why is there no separate date under a bomb and why would you nuke a fallen city? They just messed up the date because they don't really case about the story making sense. I don't expect anything but self contradictionary vomit from people who wrote Fallout4 and especially the institute and synths, if they can't stop themsleves from contradicting their own lore on every level even on such a limited scope i don't belive they can bridge multiple games and tv show without messing it up even worse.

@Over-Lored

Ай бұрын

Shady sands stopped being an Adobe farming village after fallout 1 in fallout 2 its a massive city. Moreover nothing in the show states that its in LA. The show takes place across Southern California not just LA. Moreover the chalkboard date is more than likely a stylistic choice as to provide some ambiguity to the event for when Season 2 comes out.

@angelmendez2211

Ай бұрын

My guess is that it in Palmdale or Victorville area in LA county not the main los Angeles area.

@user-uz5gg8wr5y

Ай бұрын

​@@Over-Lored it was city of 38 000, megacity only by Fallout standarts. It would not build scyscrappers and everything. And we see massive ruins with them around the bombing place. So yeah, they cganged that. Also, it kinda stupid to believe "everything is fine, just trust me bro".

I'm pretty sure that the courier sended one of those silos in the devide to do it

People aren't arguing that the NCR is confined to a single city. People are arguing that if Shady Sands, the CAPITAL AND FOUNDING CITY of the NCR has fallen, and more importantly been NUKED, then the NCR surely has to be destroyed as a fighting force. In the show they can barely even muster together the strength to battle even a small detachment of the Brotherhood of Steel, a previously minor power in socal. Outside of 3 and 4, the Brotherhood is a relatively weak faction, allowed to exist since the NCR's too busy protecting their borders. Where are the rangers? Where is the economy? Where is the post-war civilisation that emerged to build a shining new republic? Nobody in New Vegas outside of the NCR believes that the NCR will inevitably fall. They call it "Over-extended" and if they do speak negative of the NCR, they discuss how they'll lose the 2nd battle for Hoover Dam. No mention of destroying Shady Sands. Legate Lanius is the only person who says anything about the conquest of the whole NCR, saying "I might one day have the honor of conquering the land known as California." And this is during the Legion ending. Which as can clearly be seen by the lack of mentioning the legion at all, or ANY other faction aside from the BoS, tells me that the Legion ending isn't canon. 3:33, nobody in the game says this. They say the republic is corrupt, but they never claim the NCR will fall from it. They only mention how it is hindered because of this corruption. Losing Hoover Dam doesn't cause the NCR to dissolve. Even House doesn't say as much. Kimball and Oliver would be fired, profits would dip, but the NCR would be back. He never states the NCR is doomed to die. Your entire video is spent strawmanning arguments into existence and then debunking them with evidence that's only half true. Long time fans are up in arms not because they "Don't understand" or are "Confused". They're angry because Bethesda has practically destroyed everything that they've known about Fallout for decades. They took arguably the most beloved faction in the whole franchise, and reduced them to a gang of militiamen for the Brotherhood to trounce in their shiny T-60 power armor and "It's totally not technocratic militarised fascism guys" mentality. People like Fallout 1, 2, and NV for many reasons, and they may disagree on a lot of the reasons. But they can all agree that they like these games because Bethesda didn't write them.

@Mark_n_Travma

Ай бұрын

And also one thing to consider in Fallout NV, that Nevada is a frontier, barely regulated by the NCR, and potential battlefield. So everything said and shown about NCR in Nevada should not be applied to NCR as a whole.

@misslelightning332

Ай бұрын

Also if the NCR were to fall wouldn’t we be seeing legion forces attempts of invasion. Even if we say the legion and NCR both failed which are both prominent faction how the hell is the Enclave that only had remnants able to resurge compered to the other two. I’m not saying it’s impossible just seems highly unlikely.

It feels like the show runners decided to make every possible decision(that could make sense lore wise) to purposely remove as much of the west coast games influence as possible. The strip and ncr falling apart was always a possibility in the games. But to actually make that happen you have to make so many decisions that could ultimately culminate to that outcome. Not to mention vault tec is just evil now, no cool motives or anything, just evil people who want power. Oh and the brotherhood is the main faction again. Oh and the wastelanders are all stupid backwater people. Oh and guess what the enclave is back (again) after being destroyed in 2 separate games. Yes the show may be enjoyable and even good, but it’s not smart at all. Just like fallout 4, it’s a good game, but it’s not smart

The question remains, why even pick 2277 as the fall date? If its referring to the first battle of hoover dam (nothing else really significant for the ncr that year i think), thats strange because they won. Why not just make the start of the fall in 2281 after the second battle?

@filipzietek5146

Ай бұрын

They just messed up because they don't care. They compleatly retconed Shady Sands loacation and the type of settlement it was thus braking the story of Fallout 1. The date being a few years off is really not a huge problem in comparacent.

@maartent9697

Ай бұрын

How did they win? In New Vegas you can help the NCR, Mr House or Caesar with taking the Dam they just went for a different ending which is hard to fathom for most. There were ideas of nuking San Francisco way back but it seems Fallout 5 will revolve around San Francisco, so they reused that lore to bomb Shady Sands.

@YOGI-kb9tg

Ай бұрын

​@@filipzietek5146bro stop acting like Bethesda broke fallout lore you oh so great interplay/obsidian also made BoS that fucked up the lore so bad it had to be made non canon and almost killed fallout. So don't give this bitching attitude.

@YOGI-kb9tg

Ай бұрын

Todd revealed in an interview recently the bombs dropped after new Vegas and 2277 would fit with everything we find out in new Vegas of the NCR falling from political corruption on every level, security so bad raiders are unchecked in the heart of the NCR food and water problems people in new Vegas literally predict when the NCR would fall. It fits perfectly with the timeline.

@MrManfhis

Ай бұрын

I'll answer that, the writers didn't care. I'm being honest here, it feels like the writers just didn't do their homework and completely underestimated how good Fallout's writing was.

You look up and coming with your content. Subbed. Good luck in the future.

bros about to blow up.... good video keep it up nerd.

This is such a garbage pile that Bethesda had to PATCH The TV Show

@MrManfhis

Ай бұрын

Modders can't save this one, unfortunately.

It is Bethesda bought the Fallout IP and revived Fallout franchise from obscurity, for better or for worse (depending how much you hated Todd Howard). In a "symbolic" gesture, Bethesda had allowed the original Fallout veterans to created a total "mod conversion" of Fallout 3 by asset flipping most of Fallout 3 models and made several models from scratch incorporating elements from Van Buren (the original Fallout 3). The short development time and incorporating more complex RPG element than Fallout 3 means more bugs than Fallout 3 on consoles (specially PS3 version)hurting Obsidian's Metacritic score. I played New Vegas back in early 2011 Core 2 duo PC and hardly any game breaking glitches. Bethesda could have at least collaborated original Fallout 1/2/New Vegas writers to further enriched Fallout Series. I had been avoiding new TV shows because of rampant mediocrity and becoming as preachy as my strict 4th grade teacher or telling me being man makes me a war criminal. Fallout TV series is tolerable enough to be watchable and understands basic Fallout lore and the story and script is better written than what is coming out of Disney/Marvel recently.

A lot of people overlook the fact that the show is an ongoing narrative. Maybe the man in charge is Mr. House. Introducing the New Vegas strip in the initial season might potentially have lead to confusion, considering the creators' intention to evoke a feeling of desperation. I'm just glad that Bethesda, a mostly reputable source given they wrote Fallout 3& onwards is collaborating with the writing team, as opposed to resorting to literally anybody else. Maybe MTV cribs could have picked up the project instead. Honestly I'd watch that too

@jacknewquist6213

Ай бұрын

Well then season 2 has to fix everything now, hindering its pontential if it was just in a separate timeline

@Haubits77B

Ай бұрын

@@jacknewquist6213 wouldn't say hindering it's potential unless you mean bringing up events from Fallout NV would somehow be a negative for the show

Heya! Great videos, noticed you gained some subs and i plan on staying (i subbed when you have only 5 i think.)