Ron Perlman was interviewed by Shock Cinema Magazine somewhere around 2005, and he was asked about his role in The Name of the Rose. It seems relevant, given how a word can be ascribed meaning, but context can change it. In this case, making it deliberately unintelligible, while still theoretically carrying (most of) the same information. Quoted below: SC: What was the greatest pleasure of playing that role? Perlman: The greatest pleasure was finally being asked! (laughs) And then right behind that, Jean-Jacques said he wanted Salvatore talking every time he is onscreen. I said, "but he doesn't talk in the screenplay," and he said, "if I had written all the dialogue I wanted, I never would have gotten the money to make the movie." I said, "how do you propose I do that?" And he said, "that's your problem." Salvatore was the character who spoke six languages, but all at once. Since "The Name of the Rose" was a book that had been translated into 85 languages, I got the translations of all six languages he speaks, highlighted the places Eco had him speaking, and collated them down, and went eeny-meeny-miny-moe. This word will be in Latin, this word will be in Italian, this one German, English, French - and created a hodgepodge of language. Being charged with that kind of responsibility tickled me, and he was delighted with the result. There's also a lot to be said for walking on the set and looking into the eyes of 007. 📚

@user-do2ev2hr7h

2 жыл бұрын

Perlman is a really intriguing (and underrated) performer. He seems to have intensely collaborative relationships with some of his recurring directors.

@CapriUni

2 жыл бұрын

I love it! Pure creative chaos!

@lainecolley1414

2 жыл бұрын

Think I'll hide here a while. Downloaded for later. 😏

@sallybanner

2 жыл бұрын

ron perlman is so underrated and great and america's treasure

@patricktilton5377

Жыл бұрын

"Penitenziagite!"

A couple of things. The background plot of the book, the debate that brought Adso and William to the monastery, was not about the dulcinians, as the video seems to imply, as they were by then a disbanded and condemned heresy, but rather about the Franciscan order, who also preached the poverty of the Christ. The point was to differentiate themselves from the dulcinians, that used extremely violent means to propagate their doctrine. For a couple of decades they were killing and robbing the wealthy, with a quite broad definition of wealth, one must add, destroying monasteries and castles as well as houses and farms and openly rebelled against the Church and the secular powers. They were exterminated about 30 years before the events of the book. Dante mentions them in his Inferno. Essentially the goal was to defend the Franciscan doctrine from the accusation of being a repeat of the dulcinian heresy. And, of course, all of it is based on real events in the 14th century. The second thing: the name of the Rose. There are several versions of the Latin phrase, in some cases instead of "Rosa Pristina" (the original rose) it is "Roma Pristina" (the original Rome), moving the meaning from an aristotelean musing over prime objects or ideal ones, unknown and unknowable by their very essence, to a perhaps more human, and somewhat more pedestrian, longing for things lost to time. Which is understandable if one puts himself into the perspective of a medieval monk, copying and reading all day about ancient history, Roman literature and politics, the greatness of an empire, while living in its crumbled and scattered remains, among signs of disorder and uncertainty. What remained to them of the glory of the Senate, the might of the legions, the safety of the roads, if not a list of names and pale shadows? One can understand their sorrow and how hopeless that must have felt. Oh, and the final bit on the book, about stopping writing because of hurting eyes and the cold in the scriptorium, is taken verbatim from a note scribbled on the margin of a manuscript by a medieval scribe. Neat, eh?

@elfinvale

Жыл бұрын

marginalia is so fun! i love those glimpses into ordinary people's lives

It's funny, cause as an italian whenever someone mentions and tells you to read this book (which will 100% happen at least once in your life) there's always this sort of... shared knowledge that it's not really a book about a mistery, or a detective story. Someone presenting it will always say 'yeah, the movie is basically a detective story but the book is actually so much more'. So it was very weird hearing Someone call it a 'mistery book' and Eco a 'novelist' because from my personal background this book was never a mistery book and Eco was never a novelist: 'Il nome della rosa' is a neboulous 'so much more' and every time I've met Eco in my studies it was always as a semiotician, not as a novelist.

@giuliacapra3664

2 жыл бұрын

As a fellow italian, yes I 100% agree and always had the same experience.

@essneyallen6777

Жыл бұрын

I think to italian students and most italian people who hang around libraries Eco has always been the professor type that writes Very Complicated Books. It's weird hearing him described from this english speakers perspective.

@lc1138

Жыл бұрын

@@essneyallen6777 The more time I spend watching american videos, or hearing about Reddit debates, the more I come to think that the scene in Star Wars VIII where a bootlegger explains that the universe is not black and white, indeed made it a subversive movie. So, yes. As a french, I yet have to read more from this freaking beast of a worker. "À la recherche du temps perdu" still lives in my mind.

@essneyallen6777

Жыл бұрын

@Rheumattica no, it barely pays lip service to detective tropes. I read it as a kid and found it boring and unfulfilling *as detective fiction* , but even then I could recognize that it was way more preoccupied with language, knowledge, symbols, philosophy and what those mean for the human nature. You know how ancient philosophers styled their writings in the form of dialogues? You wouldn't approach them as plays in a narrative sense. That's more of the vibe. I could bet Eco set it in a monastery so he could get away with *lots and lots* of preaching xD

@yllejord

Жыл бұрын

I'm Greek and it's the same for us, at least my generation. He was in our schoolbooks as a philosopher of semiotics. And then later we found out that he wrote some novels too.

You said "I gave Doug Walker the idea to do musical videos." with the weight and regret of J. Robert Oppenheimer talking about the atom bomb. Or Neal Adams talking about Frank Miller. 📚

@RozWBrazel

3 ай бұрын

the comparison just reinforces the common (and true) sentiment that Kyle is too hard on himself

Calling Eco a writer of "thriller" novels is like calling Joan Didion a "Lifestyle Editor" or St. Augustine a "self-help guru." I'd say that despite the groundedness of The Name of the Rose, he's best compared with "Postmodern" authors such as Thomas Pynchon and J.G. Ballard, though there's also MORE than a tinge of magical realism here and there... which I guess might be true about them as well. What is DEFINITELY true is that The Da Vinci Code novels should say "story by Umberto Eco" because their premise is stolen COMPLETELY from Foucault's Pendulum. As he said in 2007: "Dan Brown is one of my creatures."

@spencerraney4979

2 жыл бұрын

He also ripped off Robert Lincoln and his book “Holy Grail, Holy Blood”. Funnily enough, Robert Lincoln was writer for Doctor Who, and actually co-created recurring The Great Intelligence (a consciousness which controls robot yeti); so he has two, very different legacies.

@deadNightwatchman

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm halfway through the video and was waiting for this.

@ArildTorum

Жыл бұрын

@@spencerraney4979 Not Robert Lincoln, but Henry Lincoln, who wrote it together with Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, whose names were given a nod by Brown through the name of the DaVinci Code villain, Leigh Teabing.

@fermintenava5911

Жыл бұрын

I think I read somewhere that "Pendulum" was written in response to "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and its whole predecessors. Many parts about the Secret of Rennes-le-Chateau and its connection the bloodline were created independently by former novelists (one of whom owned a guesthouse in that town 🤫) and eventually, one writer sat together with a delusional architect named Plantard, to forge an historical document that "proofed" Plantard's royal bloodline. Which they then played into the hands of Lincoln's team... who then developed that idea into Jesus' bloodline, independently. When the forgery eventually came out, Eco heard of it and decided to parody it (because: how could you not?). And then Dan Brown pulled out that whole ridiculous story once again, years later, and sold it for serious. I understand that Eco felt kinda ... sent up.

@imapersonnotanumber8940

5 ай бұрын

hes not a novelist....

"I said I pioneered that cringe and you thought I was playing." That is a powerful line, fuck...late 00s/early 10s KZread still holds so much influence in modern day. 📚

@Kaylakaze

2 жыл бұрын

CA wasn't using KZread back then.

@christopherb501

2 жыл бұрын

_"OF COURSE!"_ Ya don't say...

@MarquisSmith

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kaylakaze yeah, channel awesome was it's own thing. It's weird to feel nostalgic about something that seems like yesterday in my mind. The death of Blip was it's downfall. Thankfully, I can still watch Kyle, Brad Jones, Rantasmo and a few others here on KZread.

@kevinwillems8720

2 жыл бұрын

Jokes on Kyle, chill goblin plays that song at the end of the video.

@kevinwillems8720

2 жыл бұрын

Alas, I've been had. It twas I, who the joke was played on.

I personally get a massive kick out of the self-deprecating humor, being rather harsh on my own past myself, but I also know how absolutely toxic that mindset is to actually live in. So if those jokes just live in your scripts, go for it, but if they live in your day to day thinking, it may be best not to codify them in your work. Take care of yourself, you've more than earned it. 📚

@rusted_ursa

2 жыл бұрын

All of this.

@surrealducks

2 жыл бұрын

+

@CapriUni

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@noisepuppet

Жыл бұрын

Thoughtful of you!

@jakobvanklinken

Жыл бұрын

This is why I cannot stand to see the first rough edits of his recent videos. It's a lot more present in those, edited down later. It clearly is something that lives with him, and I can't stand it as its so familiar to me.

Sometimes, Kyle, it is absolutely surreal being a channel veteran because I will be watching a lovely video about semiotics and then you remind me of the lost Man Who Fell To Earth review that I remember seeing but can never again revisit, lost like tears in the rain.

@TheMadwomen

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, you can revisit it. It just has Russian subtitling. Look it up! Most of his old reviews are up in that way.

@bitnev

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMadwomen Yea, that was my introduction to wonderful world of Brows Held High.

📚 I had the worst experience watching The Name of the Rose. It was by my arts teacher when I was on 9th grade, and it was in 20 minutes chunks, 1 time per week. It's probably the worst way to consume it ever, I wasn't able to absorb ANYTHING from it at the time. And only later I would learn that he cut the sex scene from on his VHS tape at least

@Lazarus1095

2 жыл бұрын

That must have been a painful realization. You have my deepest sympathies.

@woudgy

Жыл бұрын

Yikes

@JulianaBittencourt24

Жыл бұрын

Omg, worst way to watch anything. So sorry for you!

@trieditgal5764

Жыл бұрын

What a terrible way to watch it, not a movie meant to be watched that way. Sorry that happened to you.

As a nearly blind person, voices are immesurably important to me, and yours is one of my all time favourites.

@francescomanzo3939

Жыл бұрын

So Sorry for your struggles!!!!! :( D:

Kyle, your channel is one of my favorite ones on this platform. Top 5, easily. I visit your older videos time and time again - not just for your entertaining jokes - but for study and enrichment. You may be a “burnt out content creator,” but you sir are not a “failed” one. If your original intent (10 + years ago) was to entertain, express, and educate - then you haven’t failed. You succeeded. I’ve followed your work because I love the opportunities you give me to learn new things. Things that I, regretfully, didn’t learn in school or out in the real world. So I study, take the knowledge you provide in your videos and apply them to teachings of my own. In the hope of keeping this kind of knowledge alive for “the youngens.” So, I will say (as I have always said) thank you and keep at it! By the way: as a Bostonian, I appreciate the Common Wealth shoutout!

@Uhohlisa

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy has taught me so much even with my bErKLeY education

@prodigaIProdigy

Жыл бұрын

Seconded. Your Brows Held High videos back on ChannelAwesome's site still stood apart at the time, and really felt like a breath of intellectual fresh air from a field of study and style of analysis I'd not previously had any real touchstone for. They were valuable and watchable then and tbh, are still valuable and re-watchable now - cringe or otherwise. You do great work.

i personally like how shakespeare phrased it: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose/By any other name would smell as sweet"

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

Dammit. Shakespeare always gets the best phrasing.

"Putting the 'O.G.' in 'misogyny'" is an amazing line, and you deserve to be proud of it.

@RenneDanjoule

Жыл бұрын

"Youths oppress my people, and women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path."-Isaiah 3:12 "Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah”-Jesus, 3 Nephi 23:1 "CHAPTER 17: The Role of Women by James H Billington, 13th Librarian of Congress "LENIN'S Revolution in November 1917 was mounted against a rival revolutionary regime that had briefly and provisionally brought democracy to Russia in the revolution of March 1917. Lenin's social revolution was doomed to confinement in one country after the final defeat of the attempt at revolution in Germany in January 1919. Women were central to both the original victory in St. Petersburg and the final defeat in Berlin. Women had only slowly gained prominence within the revolutionary tradition; but they had assumed special importance within the German and especially the Russian movement. The March Revolution in St. Petersburg was triggered by a mass demonstration for International Women's Day. The January upheaval in Berlin was ended by the murder of the only revolutionary personality of the era to rival Lenin in stature : Rosa Luxemburg" " Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny."-Aristotle.......From Monarchy to communism(the evolutionary design of the Freemason/Babeuvist Philippe Buonarotti)

@jencendiary

11 ай бұрын

@@RenneDanjoule Nobody cares, neckbeard.

@user-uf5nv5cb3b

5 ай бұрын

​@@RenneDanjouleall true! They threw Luxemburg into a gutter.

Every Eco book I've ever read has not only become significant to that time in my life, but it became a constant companion showing me new stuff every time I read them again - because I'm not the same. 📚

Calling Eco just a novelist is so fundamentally wrong. His semiotic work like Arte e bellezza nell’estetica medieval is some of the most complex stuff I've ever read.

@highlonesomed

Жыл бұрын

Liking the video, but yea. In fact if you leave out that whole semiotic thing (like most ppl do tbf) and treat Ur-Fascism as just a checklist then you're reading it wrong.

@palmereldritch7777

Жыл бұрын

and incredibly boring and pretentious. he's way up high on my most hated writer list. Coelho also has a very special place in hell for me. And Calvino.

@marianotorrespico2975

Жыл бұрын

@@palmereldritch7777 --- Are you American or Murican?

@palmereldritch7777

Жыл бұрын

@@marianotorrespico2975 that s about as useless a question as 150 pages of Foucault’s pendulum.

@souljastation5463

Жыл бұрын

@@palmereldritch7777 lol, if you think that Eco (a guy who wrote about comic books) is pretentious your standards might be extremely low.

The cat nicknames list was fantastic and so very, very relatable. Ur-locke Holmes was a fantastic pun, and I wholeheartedly support such wordplay!

@ScottNickell

2 жыл бұрын

We got a new cat earlier this year. We named him Mikhail (because our other cat is named Twyla, and we wanted to keep a dancer/choreographer theme going). Within the last few months, he has also come to be known as Mickey, Mixter, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Micholas Mickleby, Sir, Mr. Cat-Cat, Little Heathen, Barbarian, Visigoth, Vandal...

@RothAnim

2 жыл бұрын

My English teacher in post-secondary school used the example "This food is hot". That would easily refer to either the meal being high in temperature, or exceptionally spicy. But it could also (if less likely) mean the food was popular, stolen, electrified, or radioactive. PS: 📚

@gabbyn978

Жыл бұрын

Was the word "Locke" a reference to the English liberalist philosopher of the 17th century, who established the thought that a government should be supported (and prove worthy to be supported) by its subjects? Then the wordplay is even deper.

Aristotle, as he would have understood it, wouldn't have written about "comedy" in the sense of anything that is particularly funny, but in the sense of dramas that are not tragedies, at least in the sense that most or all of the main characters don't die in the end. This leads me to conclude the blind librarian chose his book despite having never read it, or if he did or had it read to him, he didn't understand it. Which, I guess, is thematically appropriate for a book about understanding the meaning of meanings.

@rawalshadab3812

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, there is something to be said about how comedy's origins are actually in "the humbling of Gods" as a story format, from what I read a long time ago (Greek plays or the Divine Comedy for example). Fits the themes of the book well. Explains why the priest would find the whole prospect objectionable.

@user-do2ev2hr7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@rawalshadab3812 This. In the book at least, it's made clear precisely what in the book the librarian finds objectionable. It boils down to the fact that he opposes treating religious themes with less than somber awe. Even aristotelian comedy would still largely be based on things like satire and mockery.

@simonmacomber7466

2 жыл бұрын

From what we have learned about this text it wasn't just about "dramas that are not tragedies," but also covered the topic of humor.

@user-do2ev2hr7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@simonmacomber7466 Yes, the classical definition of comedy as discussed in a work like this isn't exactly the same as we tend to think of comedy today, but would include much of the same ground. The quick and dirty example would be how Shakespearean comedies fall into that "drama that is not tragedy" definition but also include material that is (and was at the time of writing) fully intended to be deliberately humorous.

@downinthedojo8808

2 жыл бұрын

Aristotle was writing during the flourishing of comedies, pioneered by Aristophanes, which have some of the sillier, most biting satire you'll ever read. Should we ever stumble on an intact copy of "Poetics II," we will likely discover he full well understood the humor, and despised it perhaps as much as his mentor Plato (who viewed some of Aristophanes' work as slander).

I don’t know how much of you talking about retirement or disgust towards your earlier career is performative or meta-performative or whatever, but I hope you know that I’ve enjoyed all of your videos (even the super cringe ones). I feel that my experience reflects the average person who watches the types of videos you make. I grew up watching Doug Walker, then became too old for him and started to mature around the time so many of his colleagues pivoted to video essays and more intellectual stuff. I remember my shame and disgust when the Change the Channel controversy broke, both towards Doug and towards my own childhood self. I think you, similarly, have reflected the shifting and evolving attitudes of this KZread niche that has become so disillusioned both with a world keen on backsliding to medieval times and with the pretenses and conventions of their own community. To me, your retirement would mean that we’ve passed some unknown point that we can’t come back from-or maybe I’m like the monks in The Name of the Rose, reading the end of times from disconnected deaths. 📚

@purpleghost106

2 жыл бұрын

This is how I feel about it as well. Growing with your work is what authors and essayists do if they are any good at it. I think Kyle, as a person who regularly shows his humanity, is still making things that are relevant and wonderful, because he has grown and changed even as he's kept the curiosity that's core to who he is. I'm happy to be along for the ride for years yet still, I'm not bored of media getting interrogated by interesting thoughts.

@bobbie3713

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Kyle dont be so hard on yourself

Fun Fact: Umberto Eco consider his first novel "Il Nome della Rosa" (The Name of the Rose) as "His WORST book", because he wrote other novels that nobody cares about because they're starting with (you guess) "The Name of the Rose". His favourite book he wrote was " Foucault's Pendolum", and I am personally waiting about an upcoming video comparing "Foucault's Pendolum" and just any book by Dan Brown. 4:21 You can also find an Easter Egg in "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine" in which you can find the Aristotle's Poetics in Shambala Sanctuary 4:24 Which you can watch it in English, italian movies and tv dramas with foreign actors let them to act in their mother tongue (or just everybody act in English) and then is dubbed for the italian public. Nothing strange as it has been done in Italy since the 1950s 5:39 Salvatore's character travelled all over the known world to learn the languages to speak, ending up to "learning them all without learning any" (in fact he's kind a forerunner of Esperanto). Fun Fact: Ron Perlman was so good in his role that in the italian version he was not dubbed (not even a line) 5:58 I was joking, and I really didn't see that coming 8:47 Well, in that context (a medieval abbey) an ordinary Sean Connery would be somewhat hypocritical. At least the "virgin Sean Connery" is talking about something that he doesn't know 12:00 Well, that's funny. Because we can actually do it in 21st Century. An age that medieval people could easily interpret as "The Third Century of the Devil" (and medieval people were not as refined as we imagine them today, so this is something really serious) 33:46 I think that there is some sarcasm in his "I was a smart boy", irony that underlines his wrong choice 34:03 "What's in a name? That which we call a Rose, by any other name would smell as sweet". Sorry, I couldn't resist quoting, seeing the Shakespeare's portrait Anyway, you made a very good and instructive video (also moving in some points)

@tintinaus

2 жыл бұрын

I think I need to re-read Focault's Pendulum. After reading "Name of the Rose" I think I expected something more scholarly so all the bizarre (and to my mind - stupid) conspiracies really bugged me and poisoned what enjoyment I should have had from it.

@Nukle0n

2 жыл бұрын

Most Italian movies were also shot entirely "MOS", a confusing acronym that means "without sound". It's a lot easier to just plop down the camera and lights and not have to also worry about what sound you are picking up, plus you don't need a guy with a boom mic that might be seen in the shot. Then everything else would be dubbed afterwards, if you were lucky you could still get the English speaking talent to redub their own parts, and then they'd have various actors do the parts of the actors that were speaking other languages doing filming.

@lainecolley1414

2 жыл бұрын

I think we're all missing something about the seven languages. (I've read Foucault's Pendulum and tried to read some semiotics over twenty years ago.) If Sherlock then the seven languages could mean British and leaving the hashed words was a jab. Seven languages and nothing..

@KelsaRavenlock

2 жыл бұрын

I have "How to Travel With a Salmon" in my bathroom if that counts as a latter book.

@palmereldritch7777

Жыл бұрын

Foucault's pendulum was really an unending borefest.Totally didn't matter one bit if anything was historically correct, base, half truth or just plain made up. And worst of all, did anybody care about any of all this ?

"Basically he was trying to take language and turn it into math" But Kyle... Math *is* a language.

@dav87x

2 жыл бұрын

No, language is math.

@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick

2 жыл бұрын

Nerd.

@marianotorrespico2975

Жыл бұрын

@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick --- WELL SAID. | Thanks, for ackowledging that he is the better man.

@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick

Жыл бұрын

@@marianotorrespico2975 No problem.

@humboldthammer

Жыл бұрын

Borrow $33 trillion + Blow it ALL Up = ? a) Peace and Prosperity b) Crash and Burn c) Jesus Returns d) All the Above e) None of Thee Above hint below borrow + bomb = a false profit.

So happy this book was chosen. I'm in the middle of reading it and was sad to see there's almost no video essays about it on youtube before this. the 2019 miniseries with John Turturro is actually very good, the longer format allows it to dig into the book's details a little more. and it handles the relationship between Adso and the village girl much better than the film, and even better than Eco's book imho. instead of Adso just stumbling upon her in the kitchen and the girl instantly deciding to have sex with him because reasons, the miniseries has Adso repeatedly running into her in the woods, and only gradually do they build up a friendship, but since neither of them speak each other's language (the girl is a refugee in this version who i think only speaks Basque) they have to learn how to communicate without direct language, only through tone, body language, expression, drawings, gestures, music, noises etc, which ends up as a very clever exploration of what signs, meaning, knowledge & communication are without shared language. there's a whole subplot about their relationship that invests the girl's fate with a lot more depth; they create a system of birdcalls to locate each other from far away which Adso uses to find her when Salvatore kidnaps her, and when Adso and the girl almost have sex for the first time (which is not the first time she's met him) the girl seems into it at first, which is all Adso sees, but he doesn't notice she suddenly becomes horrified when his advances give her flashbacks to the traumatizing assaults by soldiers against her and her family that made her flee her home in the first place, which Adso only had the faintest inklings of. in other words Adso could READ THE SIGNS of her sexual attraction but couldn't READ THE SIGNS about her past trauma. the whole thing feels much more clever and Eco-ian than the book's 1 single sex scene which is basically Eco writing the monastic version of a Penthouse Forum article

@imapersonnotanumber8940

5 ай бұрын

in the film, it is so obvious that in this period of time, that sex helped her to survive and gain food. its that simple, brutal but simple, maybe a modern interpretation would have just been that, in all our indulges and silliness. love and romance were is a modern thing, back then it was pure survival.......the film captured this, although did put a modern twist slightly on it by having 2 beautiful looking young people, and a very visual depiction of seduction by Eve in the garden of eden.

I don't know how intentional this was, but Jorge's speech about how if everything becomes a joke, nothing can retain its weight or power...that could easily apply to people memeing their way into radicalisation, and the argument that South Park's brand of reactionary contrarianism has led to the spread of a kind of toxic irony that's done a lot of damage to political discourse.

@ConvincingPeople

2 жыл бұрын

I'm remembering Robert Evans' argument in The War On Everyone that nearly every fascist movement is, in practice, characterised on some level by its embrace of irony as part and parcel to the ur-text which Eco outlines.

@zzamorano1717

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConvincingPeople I believe there's a word for that, it's called "irony poisoning". It's become a very common trend amongst Chan culture. I wonder this is a recent side effect of social media and online anonymity. Another question I also ask myself is has any connection with the term "defensive irony" which is part a teenage mindset. What do you think?

@zzamorano1717

2 жыл бұрын

@@missingsig What type of irony would you consider it to be, "Irony poisoning" or "defensive irony"? Either way, I do find a lot of SP's comedy to be very insincere, simple catering to a "libertarian" crowd without really understanding or committing to its cause. A very "teenage attitude" if you ask me.

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

@@ConvincingPeople Jorge isn't altogether wrong. He deserves to be attended to.

@Rupert3434

Жыл бұрын

Okay, interesting, but, I don't think that's actually his argument though. His argument hinges on the concept of hierarchies, of how comedy can break conviction and throw "patiently constructed images" into question. Right wing comedy of the sort you're talking about doesn't do that. It appears transgressive, but it's just taboo. The underlying messages confirm stereotypes, stock characters, and rhetorics already present in society and rely on the kinds of structural hierarchies the alt-right wants to exist in a more absolute sense to work at all. Yes, they create ignorance and spread confusion about issues in people who don't bother to look beyond their own complacent little bubbles to literally anyone else in society. But, they do so with (and not against) the "patiently created images"(hegemonic ideologies) which form the social inequities present in society. I think what Jorge is actually saying here is just what the alt-righters have been saying since they got a platform: that hierarchies are real, and need to exist, and that there are some things we can't let people question, otherwise civilization itself will be swept away by chaos. Taken in this way, I think Jorge would probably be okay with the Babylon Bee, because their brand of humor is utterly incapable of throwing the worldviews of a racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, transphobic, and white supremacist society into question.

This video gave me college flashbacks, man. That semiotics course was so easy but SO DANG HARD...whew. Also, you included the Swahili word for "cat" ("paka") in the list of names. I love you.

A very shallow (and incorrect) description of what this is about would be "Ur-Fascism is not about fascism - it's about the antecedents to fascism" but I still think it's important that people keep that in mind when discussing it Semiotics and linguistics has been a hyperfixation for me for at least 5 years but I really need to actually read more books on it rather than skim or read summaries. 📚

@RenneDanjoule

Жыл бұрын

Don't waste your time. If you want to understand Fascism and political ideas read Fire in the Minds of men by the congressional Librarian James H Billington. Or your could just read the "doctrine of Fascism" by Mussolini :) Fascism is revolutionary Nationalism and an adaptation of syndicalism...the pulling and synthesizing of the social revolutionary dogmas to serve the waning National revolutionary tradition against the rising maximal social revolution of Lenin's Reds.. Much like a National socialism, as the name suggests, with it's opposite being the anti-national international socialism of the Bolshevists/Rosa Luxemburg. Stalin's Red fascism or socialist National is as China today. One could argue that Napoleon is a proto-Fascist and Joseph Fouche was the head of the Gestapo...but ultimately the National socialists deemed that whole experiment Freemasonic, their attempt at maintain a marginal National republic...against the communist republicanism of the Babeufvists..later called Philadelphia...like american quasi-communist Philadelphian supra-nationalism.

As a fan of yours for over a decade, I’m always happy to see a new video. Hope you’re doing well you amazing person!

Kyle's book club, I'm HERE FOR THIS ❤ and you staring into the middle distance understanding that you are one of the few from your Era who's still here making stuff is amazing, and I'll be here for every one 😊📚

@morganburt2565

2 жыл бұрын

all praise brows held high, todd in the shadows, and rap critic. make sure to pray three times a day for our lady of grace, lindsay ellis

@Prettygoodspell

2 жыл бұрын

@@morganburt2565 and The Maven of the Eventide, Allison Pregler (Lupa), Phelous, and Bennett the Sage.

You're still one of my favourite producers from those long ago times of The Place That Shant Be Recalled, and when I saw you were doing Name of the Rose (One of my favourite novels, alongside Foucault's Pendulum) I actually squeed out loud.

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

2 жыл бұрын

Twas in the darkest depths of Mordor I met a reviewer so fair But Gollum, the evil one Crept up and slipped away with him Pardon me, sometimes I tend to ramble on

@47Jaspers

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean "Schqueed" out loud?

You say "In the book and the film" Adso is a German Franciscan Monk. In the book he is a Benedictine novice and the explanation of why he is traveling in the company of William of Baskerville, a Franciscan, is gone over in the kind of detail that you would want to omit if you are making a movie because it doesn't have anything to do with anything that goes on with the story although in the book it adds some interesting reflection points for Adso's developing world view.

📚 That ending arrangement is stunning. Also! I'm glad somebody in this space is talking about Eco the semiotician.

@imapersonnotanumber8940

5 ай бұрын

when he gets panned as a novelist, and sometimes not, I always reference him as a prof of semiotics..

So my takeaway here is, laughing at how ridiculous a modern day fascist is is the key to defeating them. Take away the power of their rhetoric by refusing to take it seriously. I like it. 📚

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

2 жыл бұрын

Mel Brooks had the right idea when he directed The Producers.

@Kaylakaze

2 жыл бұрын

We've been laughing at them for decades. They're now running the US and many other countries. I don't think it's working.

@servomoore

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. Every authoritarian has been treated as a joke during their rise to power. Hitler, Bolsonaro, Trump, Boris Johnson, Biden. They don't care if their opponents respect them. If anything that endears them to their supporters, who feel mocked by the same people that laugh at the fascist leader.

@jonathaneilbeck2263

2 жыл бұрын

Also claim they have a small willy. Because every joke needs a good kicker.

@klisterklister2367

2 жыл бұрын

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter are you thinking of that lindsay ellis video i‘m thinking of

📚 Ur-lock Holmes is peak humor. There are no greater summits to attempt, we can all turn off the internet and go home now. Seriously- fantastic work as always, Kyle! However cringe some of it may feel in hindsight, your contributions to society and the general discourse can't be overstated. You absolutely deserve to walk with your brows, and your head, held high. 📚

This is such a great video. I hadn't heard of Eco until I saw Kyle reading Foucault's Pendulum in a "Previously on AT4W" bit and thought "wait...what's that book? Is that at my library?" and sure enough it was. And he wrote a bunch of other stuff. The circle is now complete. I've read that book, stuck around with Kyle throughout...all the nonsense, and now we're here.

43:30 - Well, I once gave Doug Walker an anonymous message through his website suggesting that all the reviewers swap around and review each other's content as an April Fool's gag. You are not the only one who has to bear the weight of his sins. 📚

Just wanted to say that I look forward to every video you put out, even when I know nothing about the topic beforehand. Learning from you is always a joy and your work helped me through many a lonely at uni, which I'm very thankful for!

Umberto is one of my favorite writers. Foucault Pendulum is a masterpiece that I think everybody should read at least once, especially if you happen to have an interest in the cottage industry that is conspiracy theories. oddly, I've never read this one.

I also don't understand why Foucault's Pendulum isn't being adapted somewhere, except for the idea that the complexities of the book would be anathema for producers who want a quick pitch with a simple conflict. I appreciate the novel as it helped me to convince myself that conspiratorial thinking is a con you play on yourself. 📚

@pauldi7268

Жыл бұрын

Loved that book.

@5:50, I see Ron Perlman is trying out his audition for the next live-action Hunchback of Notre Dame. But it will probably go to Harry Styles anyway. 📚

While I do thoroughly enjoy the direction you work has taken over the years, I thought that you were always on of the best producers of that particular site. You don't need to be so self critical about it. One of the interesting things you didn't focus on much here is how Eco understood that the power of humour. The librarian seeks to conceal the philosophy of humour because he fears that the church would become mocked, and Eco understood that any philosophy or concept that is humourous is one that will not be taken seriously regardless of the evidence or rhetoric that supports it. It's a way of making an idea unspeakable without making it taboo and therefor appealing to any existing or potential counter-culture. This is why "comedians" who make anti-LGBTA+ jokes get so much support from fascists and conservative proto-fascists. It's an attempt to reframe the public discourse in a way that is advantageous to them. This also show how language in innately political, and it's an important consideration when discussion fascism in general.

@paulkienitz

2 жыл бұрын

The whole evolutionary purpose of humor may be to help us watch out for wrong thinking. We enjoy noticing when someone says something foolish, and sharing that awareness. So reframing ideas you don't like as being funny is an indirect way to make people see them as mistaken and wrong.

@daniel5730

2 жыл бұрын

My take is absolutely the opposite. Humour is a counter-balance for absolute seriousness of ideas. If something can be joked about - it doesn't need any outside re-assurance or legislature to still be taken seriously. Pre-reformation Catholic Church had a lot of inner satire even in the theological texts, simply because this system felt so confident in it's power (justifiebly so) allowed this humor to exist. During and after the reformation both protestants and catholics often demanded to take all religious matters with absolute concrete seriousness. LGBT+ movement (not the people), being one of the banners of current liberal establishemnt of the western world is a great testing grounds on how confident this system feels at the moment.

@rezalustig6773

2 жыл бұрын

@@daniel5730 The kind of “wisdom” you get from humor is too shallow and pat to be of any use as a moral guide - or at least, to be substitute for actual principles or conception of The Good. The problem is, people who find social progressivism threatening have figured out how to hijack humor to turn people against their targets (liberals, urban-dwellers, minorities, LGBTQ+ folk) merely by joking about how aesthetically “cringy” or “elitist” they are. Humor is totally value neutral, because it can be both used and abused for good or antisocial purposes. The “system” is only insecure because cultural conflict can’t just be reasoned or laughed away, and because liberals understand that the achievements they’ve made are under threat from bad actors.

@daniel5730

2 жыл бұрын

@@rezalustig6773 ok utilitarian could imagine a more boring reply myself

@rezalustig6773

2 жыл бұрын

@@daniel5730 I apologize for caring about politics more than is “hip.”

📚 I remember reading "Foucault Pendulum" years and years ago and especially a scene where the protagonist's colleagues have to remind themselves that the conspiracy they constructed isn't real (because they themselves made it up). It hits a different way now than it did back then, but on the other hand I think it might actually hit truer to Eco's intentions.

@DakessianHMadat

Жыл бұрын

Hit.

Well I would like to report that I received this video with positive feelings; and immediately sent it to my mother because we had a massive conversation that talked about references in literature, and what 'should' be read and the echo(eco) chamber that forms when you make such a list.

@zzamorano1717

2 жыл бұрын

I take it she didn't watch the video and ignored you?

Kyle, you are not responsible for Doug Walker’s The Wall. I can think of four or five people who are, but you have never been one of them.

I don't often comment on videos but I wanted to try to help you out in the algorithm. I've been following BHH for 10 or 11 years now and this infrequent series has done so much to broaden my horizons and think more about the media I consume . Thank you for your work Kyle; I look forward to your next topic.

You're videos always remind me that I actually like learning things, even when I am so burned out from formal education

I just got out of the psych ward with a kid who read this guy and started to question reality. They didn’t know anything about his writings about fascism. Ive only been out for a week so this is topical

📚Wonderful video! I do love your singing voice. I know that you've come to dislike the review of "The Man Who Fell To Earth" that you mention in this essay, and I can see several reasons for that (there are, of course, reasons I'm utterly clueless about), but, all in all, I still appreciate it. It remains saved on my harddrive, I re-watched it somewhat recently. I find it a very sweet, very touching tribute to David Bowie, your obvious passion for his work makes it, to me, very much worth watching still, even though in the years since both your abilities as a singer and even more so as a - apologies for the dreaded word - content creator have grown exponentially.📚

@MiloKuroshiro

2 жыл бұрын

I love the rare moments when Kyle sings. It's always golden.

I can tell that I'll be watching this particular video at least a couple of times. Lots of thinking and considering to be done. Thank you very much for making this.📚

The Umberto Eco book I wish more people talked about is 'Baudolino'. It could actually make a great adaptation too, since it is in many was an adventure story, in which the stuff the titular MC/narrator encounters get stranger the further he goes, like he's wandering into the "here be dragons" fringes of a medieval map. But there's also a strong "unreliable narrator" element, since Baudolino admits that that he is a liar with a talent for getting others caught up in his lies!

@DakessianHMadat

Жыл бұрын

The problem of an adaptation of Baudolino is the diffuse nature of the Grail theme. For example, how to get across that the protagonist's companions on his adventure are all the early writers who mention a 'grail'?

@imapersonnotanumber8940

5 ай бұрын

me to! to me its got everything and done so in a satirical way against searching for the 'holy grail'

What's the acoustic background music I keep hearing throughout the video? Does anyone know?

As a huge Holmes nerd AND a huge linguistics nerd who still somehow hasn’t read this book, this was exactly the kick in the pants I needed to get moving on it! Thanks as always 📚

@imapersonnotanumber8940

5 ай бұрын

read it!!!!!! welcome to it, ive just given this novel to a Holmes fan, for a winter read,

I can tell you who you created this video for and why. You wrote it for me, for my study into and refections on semiotics. In my search to define the world and my place in it and in what the semiotic meaning of self is to me. This video is as you said a text pointing from and to other texts. It is a step on .y journey hopefully out of depression and nihilism into something better. I thank you for it. Since unknowing and unknowably you wrote this for me as a step on my path. We have never met, likely will never meet. Such is the beauty of media. Thank you.

Ur-lock Holmes is amazing. This was highly engaging, entertaining, thought provoking, and I think I need to read the novel. Keep up the great work. 😃

how DID you watch the movie in the US??? i just finished the book but i cannot find the movie ANYWHERE i would very much appreciate some help

Hold on, the anglosphere has reappropriated Eco on the basis of the fascism thing? I had missed the memo entirely on that one. I mean, over here in the latinsphere (and particularly in the semiotician's latinsphere) Eco is the patron saint of basically everything and has always been, so the fascism thing is a footnote, at best. Which is an appropriate level of complex semiosis to have attached to one's name and whole persona if you're Umberto Eco, I suppose. I also don't know that Eco as a novelist first is accurate over here. I mean, outside of Foucault and Rose what have normies read from him? Like, was Baudolino a best seller? I've definitely seen more snobbish college students giving each other Apocalittici e integrati than Baudolino, and rightfully so, because it's a much lighter read and it makes you look smarter. But now Wikipedia tells me that has only been partially translated to English? What the hell? I mean, not that it matters, Eco's novels are basically his semiotics books in bedtime story form, but still.

@PilgrimVisions

2 жыл бұрын

I think he's hyperbolizing. That, or his personal experience doesn't match mine. I only ever heard of his Ur-Fascism essay long after reading The Name of the Rose, The Open Work, Art and Beauty in the Middle Ages, and Travels in Hyperreality in college (granted, out of personal interest, not because they were assigned).

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

2 жыл бұрын

So basically, Umberto Eco is the Neil Cicierega of the academic world?

@mademedothis424

2 жыл бұрын

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter I looked that up and I still don't have nearly enough info to get that reference. Which, you now, also big semiotics stuff, so yay.

@alandent2746

Жыл бұрын

@@PilgrimVisions I was just composing a reply when I realised I could just ditto to yours (except the in college bit) - probably adding Kant and the Platypus which I still like dipping into every so often. Oh and this is the first time I have heard of the Ur-Fascism essay.

Once again, fantastic job, Kyle! I laughed so hard at the “pioneering that cringe” bit. I really was fascinated by how you synthesized… all of the information about synthesizing information. Really great stuff! Also, if I’m incorrect, I apologize, but was that a PhilosophyTube/Abigail shout out with the firefighter line? If so, nicely done! Always great to see more from fellow anti-fire people. Looking forward to seeing what you create next! 📚

@Pubbs

2 жыл бұрын

I hope Kyle is "Anti-Fire" because there are things worse than Doug Walker's review of The Wall. And that is the worst thing I know of that Kyle is responsible for. Great vid. Five Stars!

@hughcaldwell1034

Жыл бұрын

I came to the comments section to see if other people were mentioning the fire/fascism allusion. This is the first video I've seen on this channel and will be sticking around for more.

That "I've been doing this so long" backfired (front fired?) so hard and I realized how long I've been watching you! And yet this is one of your best yet. I've seen too many essays bring up semiotics and then lose me really quick, and I actually followed this one. Many happy returns ❤️

Honestly, this was a difficult video for me to watch. At first, I merely wanted to grab you by the lapels and shake you, and then you demonstrated you had some understanding of the larger picture, which I greatly appreciated. I first engaged with Eco at university as a medievalist and as a semiotician, and didn't read any of his fiction till many years later. I read Ur Fascism shortly after it was published, and I saw it (I think correctly) as 'set of (some) characteristics which create a fascist politic' as opposed to a general authoritarianism. The great irony, which Eco lived to see and no doubt appreciate, is 10 years after publication the very form used in his essay (the list) became fodder for trite click-based journalism. The formal sign (a list) became the signifier of something quick, easy, cheap, and shallow. Thus his essay - a memory driven warning to Europeans from a man who spent his life analyzing how meanings are given birth through signs and symbols - became equivalent to a Buzzfeed list of Top Ten Fascisms. And this is how his essay is frequently dismissed to this day - much to our own peril.

You might like Cadfel. It’s also Sherlock Holmes as a monk but 90’s and British

@katherinealvarez9216

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up with that show. My folks loved it.

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

@@katherinealvarez9216 Cadfael is even advertised on the covers as Brother William's epigone. Which might have amused Eco if he ever learned about it.

I came away from this video inspired to write. I've written occasionally, I have a lot of ideas that I think could make good stories, but I find the actual act of writing prose to be a real chore a lot of the time and I think I suck at descriptive language. But...I don't know. Something about the content of this video, it makes me want to explore meaning and the way words can be used to convey ideas. I want to experiment. This is...very rare. So I think I'm going to be saving it for inspiration. It's also just really cathartic to hear all of this articulated when I've been struggling under the weight of the...well, semiotic fuckery that permeates modern society, and more than any other video of yours, this is one I feel I should share.

As a native speaker of German, I use the prefix "ur" all the time. It always conveys a deep sentiment of primordial, ancestral, unshaped and original (in "original" we find a common etymological root), it doesn't require explanation - it's meaning is obvious. If Freud speaks about the "Ur-Angst", it is clear that he means the most basic fear there is, the fear from which all other fears are derived. I truly wonder, whether this intuitive understanding of the term is truly helpful, as it makes you (me) lazy: We don't give it the thought it possibly deserves in a certain context, relying on the hardwired concept implanted (Ur-Bedeutung) in our minds whilst having acquired the ability to speak our first language. This video really got me thinking about a lot of questions. Thank you for that!

where can I find that beautiful version of kiss from a rose that plays during the outro?

@mkallgren08

Жыл бұрын

That's a custom composition by Kyle himself! It's available for download from his Patreon :) www.patreon.com/KKallgren

Eco also wrote "Foucault's Pendulum", a satyrical novel that pokes fun at conspiracy theories and at the commercial side of everything esoteric and spiritual. It's a heavyweight of a book that just keeps popping references, reasonings and provocations. I can't help thinking you'd love it.

@tashikat9040

2 жыл бұрын

He did, in fact, refer to Pendulum during the video in a "Why isn't this book more popular considering The Times". I also highly recommend it to *everyone*.

Its been years since i read the name of the rose and watched the movie. There were so many details i had forgotten, and the semiotics flew completely over my head. I appreciate this video, it gives name (hah) to the ideas i didnt have the tools to articulate.

What is the name of the song that play during the transition on 3:10?

Got to the end, very satisfied, and then you slayef me with your choice of outro song. Well played Mr Kallgren! And well sung!

I read all Eco novels. My favorites are actually "Baudolino" and "The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana". The latter is in my opinion an attempt of Eco to describe what death is like for the person who just died and how the brain slowly dissipates after death. Apparently no-one else ever noticed this.

Borges wrote a story called "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" that feels of our era much as Eco's "Foucalt's Pendulum" and "Prague Cemetary" do. It's a good, almost horrifying in the way it depicts people becoming lost in complex, fuzzy meanings of words and ideas. This discussion reminded me of it so I figured I'd leave a recommendation.

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

It's about The Lord of The Rings, which of course had not been completed when he wrote the story.

@jtillman8251

Жыл бұрын

@@alanpennie8013 Interesting! I had no idea. The idea of an alternate history overwriting our collective memories almost gives it a cosmic horror vibe. I'd have never even thought of fantasy as the inspiration, but it makes total sense. I'd have guessed that something more along the lines of "The King in Yellow" though.

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

@@jtillman8251 A key test is Tolkien's essay, On Fairy Stories, and its notion of sub - creation.

@alexhauser5043

7 ай бұрын

@@alanpennie8013 No, it's not. Borges published his story more than a decade before Tolkien published The Fellowship of the Ring.

@alanpennie8013

7 ай бұрын

*text

Anyone know why you can’t stream The Name Of The Rose film (Sean Connery et.al.)??

Your videos have been such a comfort to me for the past 10 years, thank you for all that you do. I always love learning about new things with you. 📚

I love going back to some of your older videos where you namedrop Umberto Eco, and how it seems you've wanted to make a video about him for a long time. I love it when a video essayist is like "ALRIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO SHARE MY HYPERFIXATION!" 📚

I read _The Name of the Rose_ when I was a teenager (I spended a lot of time on my town's public library in the mid-to-late-2000's before we had internet on my house), and this video made me realize that it probably gived me the base line to understand the books of semiotics I would later read in college (I studied graphic design, Barthes and Saussure are thaught on the first year, the second has a class on semiology. Is still barely deeper than surface-level but is enough to understand what we are doing) ... the video kind of made me nostalgic of my freshman and sophomore years in college, what a weird times

Eco was NOT a novelist and amateur essayist. He was a renowned, kinda superstar University Professor at Bologna in Semiotics and started off as an expert of the Middle Ages, to evolve toward analysis of contemporary culture. He also wrote great novels, as he understood and loved pop culture (see all the references and the murder mystery genre). US young people could get a lot of stimuli from EU scholars, usually excluded from US programs as traditionalist or useless, while the real reasons are usually that they're too political and not US-centric

The scene where the protagonist talks about books being about books and the library being where books talked among other books honestly just made me appreciate Sir Terry Pratchett's Discworld even more: Library Space or L-Space, that in large quantities, all books warp space and time around them. The principle of L-space revolves around a seemingly logical equation; it is an extension of the 'Knowledge is Power': Books = Knowledge = Power = Energy = Matter. Or you get sent up a different branch of evolution tree and turned into an orangutan.

Wait.....a minute "where does the original no sh*t, Sherlock" comes from? because I doubt it's from Arthur Conan Doyle.

@violatralala

2 жыл бұрын

I had to frantically google it (thanks, ADHD) and I believe it's from the "little house of horrors" finale

📚 I've always found Name of the Rose really resonant and wasn't sure why, this really illuminated a lot of things. Also please tell your brother to tell Charlie and Carl that we love them.

4:10 should I go watch your zardos thing or do you want to tidy it up first ? I've already watched the Georg rockall-schmidt one and it was great.

goddamn, I usually skip through the Patreon credits, checking for a Moment of Zen at the very end, but how could I resist listening to Kyle sing Kiss from a Rose on the Grave?

Weirdly enough I just bought this book at Goodwill yesterday, because I recognized the Author from your videos

📚 As much as you might hate your older works, they gave me brief insights into parts of cinema history I'd never heard of, even helped inspire my own creativity. And as a physics major that now makes a living doing the tax paperwork of those many times wealthier than I, don't feel too ashamed of the job you ended up with.

Kyle I have been subscribed since 2016 and your channel has taught me so much. I sincerely appreciate your content and you gave me an appreciation for Shakespeare I thought I would never have.

I didn't know it, but I had been waiting for a video like this from you for a long time. This is possibly my favorite production/essay of yours since the Falstaff video, still a favorite of mine on all of the website. Thank you for your hard work, creativity, and diligent research. Also can we talk about how crazy the film was, with most of the Abbey exteriors being built practical sets? A crazy amount of effort and it showed, even in service of a rather dense text.

Have you ever read Arcadia by Tom Stoppard? It's an unsung masterpiece (in my humble opinion), and it also shares a lot of themes with The Name of the Rose and this essay- lost texts and the limits of human knowledge, heresy and madness, interpretation of the past, epistemology and and order vs chaos. All throughout watching this I couldn't help thinking of this quote: “THOMASINA: ....the enemy who burned the great library of Alexandria without so much as a fine for all that is overdue. Oh, Septimus! -- can you bear it? All the lost plays of the Athenians! Two hundred at least by Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides -- thousands of poems -- Aristotle's own library!....How can we sleep for grief? SEPTIMUS: By counting our stock. Seven plays from Aeschylus, seven from Sophocles, nineteen from Euripides, my lady! You should no more grieve for the rest than for a buckle lost from your first shoe, or for your lesson book which will be lost when you are old. We shed as we pick up, like travellers who must carry everything in their arms, and what we let fall will be picked up by those behind. The procession is very long and life is very short. We die on the march. But there is nothing outside the march so nothing can be lost to it. The missing plays of Sophocles will turn up piece by piece, or be written again in another language. Ancient cures for diseases will reveal themselves once more. Mathematical discoveries glimpsed and lost to view will have their time again. You do not suppose, my lady, that if all of Archimedes had been hiding in the great library of Alexandria, we would be at a loss for a corkscrew?”

@catherineelmore2004

2 жыл бұрын

My senior seminar in college was on Stoppard; Arcadia is awesome!

@oomflem

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherineelmore2004 I'm forever grateful that my high school english teacher opted to have us do Arcadia instead of whatever the standard text was in ninth grade, I just adore it. It drives me up the wall there's never been a filmed version, I've STILL only ever seen a few am-dram clips on youtube after all these years :(

If you want some lighter Eco fare, I can strongly recommend How to Travel With a Salmon. It's a collection of essays on modernity and popular culture, frequently hilarious, always insightful.

For what it might be worth, I genuinely learn so much from your videos, both the reviews and the video essays. This was a fascinating delve into a very complex subject, and I would love to see the various talking points expanded upon, particularly the matter of Semiotics, which was briefly covered when I went to university, but I feel like I've forgotten so much that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Such an absolutely wonderful and inspiring post! I have been studying semiotics in Eco's works since the publication of his first novel and am amazed by your brilliant sense of humor. It was a great pleasure!

I bet the rose's name is Charlotte. Seems like a good name for a rose.

@hirocarupu8746

2 жыл бұрын

It is😮

@FunnyAnimatoFilms

2 жыл бұрын

📚

Great work sir. There isn't much good semiotics content on youtube, so maybe the guy who pioneered that cringe might also start a better trend here.

Is the Q text the Ur text for the synoptic gospels?

Lovely job, Kyle. I’ll rewatch this a dozen more times! 📚

📚 I can't help but contemplate a connection between this video and another you made - "Star Wars minus Star Wars" ...a video that could only exist because of signs that point to other signs, and that with the right interpretant you can swap out your representamen for something ostensibly completely different, and yet everyone understands you are referring to exactly the same object.

📚 (Closest thing I could find) This was a great video! I'm not sure of my own interpretation of it as of yet, though maybe that's the point. I will say I was certain the title would tie in to the Shakespeare quote directly. I was intrigued that I was partially wrong. Also, concerning you being "cringe..." Well, cringe to me is what happens when one's ambitions aren't able to match their ability, and they complete a project regardless of that fact. In that sense, you were never cringe. From your first video were always amazing. Thank you Kyle, for making great content.

I love your reviews as always, Kyle, and thanks for giving pushing up roses a shout out!

This is actually your best analysis to date. It can account for a whole documentary about hermeneutics, classic and philosophical (a concept which you never introduced, and then again, proves the point of everything). Amazing!

Actually planning on reading this book soon, so this couldn't have come at a better time! Also: I have to let you know how very jealous I am of your bookshelf because I am also a nerd.

"I pioneered that cringe." - Kyle Kallgren, 2022

Thank you good of the algorithm to have shown me this video. One of the best vulgarization works about Umberto Eco I've ever came across on this platform. Please people read Eco's novels and essays, they're all so intellectually fulfilling. Intelligence as a delicacy. Be greedy of it

Returning back to this awesome video! Thank you!

Ok Kyle, I would love to talk a bit why you specifically consider this a reference to that single story in 11:00, instead a reference to Borges himself. Borges was a Librarian, amd blind by age of 55. The hexagramic layput may refer to the Library of Babel (much clumsier in English) but tha character, from name and characteristics seems Borges himself, rsther than a reference to a specific story📚

I hadn't seen an upload from you in a while, glad to see out sexy librarian is still around. 📚

It's funny that you say that he's more known as a novelist because in Italy it's definitely the other way around: he's mainly famous as an essayist and philosopher (though Il Nome della Rosa is still mega popular obviously).

This video essay was so interesting. I loved The Name of the Rose and understand it much better with this context. Definitely going to read more Eco now too, you’ve got me really intrigued!