I like Graves' account that there was an earthquake that toppled a portion of the Trojan wall, allowing the Greeks to flood into the city. After sacking Troy, the Greeks then built a wooden horse in honor of Poseidon, god of not only the sea but of earthquakes. With the departure of the Greeks, local peoples around Troy came to view the ruins and saw the horse. That sparked their imaginations and now enters one Trojan horse, into history.

@gordonkistler916

9 ай бұрын

just think if it was a Trojan condom and not a horse they found!

@zero_bs_tolerance8646

9 ай бұрын

@@gordonkistler916 Omg, you're so witty! You should be famous!

@RalphEllis

9 ай бұрын

It was not a hippos horse. It was an appis bull. The sacred bull of Egypt and Minos. R

@gordonkistler916

9 ай бұрын

You are a real fart smeller er, I mean smart feller!@@RalphEllis

@pbxn-3rdx-85percent

9 ай бұрын

"We've got a delivery for a GCC (Greek Chariot Co.) giant wooden horse 1200 model here. It's addressed to City of Troy. Where should we park it?" "I'm the gate guard tonight. Move it inside the gate and I'll sign for it. Say, what's the mileage on this hot rod?"

Don’t open the gate!! Who needs a wooden horse that big anyway?!!

@hayleymanchios8908

9 ай бұрын

😂

@hayleymanchios8908

9 ай бұрын

Exactly

@johnclose2925

9 ай бұрын

Poseidon does.

@Whatsthedealsquirter

9 ай бұрын

Something fishy bout this huge hollow useless horse????? I have to believe it's metaphor

@harryzero1566

9 ай бұрын

Now that's the mystery, it's not like it had a rocking mechanism.

THANK YOU! I’m so glad for this channel lol one of the few that plays new docs from other countries and without subtitles! I absolutely LOVE these ancient history docs from Germany and France. Makes for so many more perspectives and topics that we wouldn’t otherwise get. Thanks again!

This was wicked good! I’m really hoping this is part of a series lol also hoping for more like this!

The notion that ships were once called 'horses' - notably 'horses of the sea' - also helps me make sense out of the fact that horses were supposed to be sacred to Poseidon, the god of the sea. I've often wondered about this but until now I've never been able to imagine what the connection could possibly be. 🤔

@anasalsubhi6370

9 ай бұрын

yeb. may I add something which may seem a bit off topic but could be an interesting thing to mention ? and that's in regards to what connection there could be between Poseidon being the god of the sea and also the god of earthquakes. well, it seems that the Greeks imagined the earth like the waves of the sea moving under their feet during an earthquake. mythology is not as random as some like to think it is .

@theseustoo

9 ай бұрын

@@anasalsubhi6370 So true... in fact mythology was an attempt at understanding the nature of the world and its phenomena through the use of metaphors. Gods, of course, were the main metaphors! I knew about Poseidon's connection with earthquakes already, and how the Greeks understood them... By curious coincidence a poster named @julianmarsh8384 has posted an interesting comment just under this one, which gives yet another possible connection between the Trojan Horse and the god Poseidon, specifically in his role as the 'Earth-Shaker', as well as quite a feasible explanation of what might have actually caused both the fall of Troy and the mythology surrounding the Trojan Horse. However, although I'm a great fan of Robert Graves, and applaud his attempts to find realistic explanations for historical events which have become highly mythologized, I still think it's quite possible that the Trojan Horse actually may have been a real stratagem, though there was obviously a LOT of mythologizing happening around that war... as is true perhaps of ANY war, even in modern times. It's fascinating how real historical events and myths often merge into one another even though it is virtually impossible to separate the 'truth' from the 'fiction'... 🙂

@RalphEllis

9 ай бұрын

It was not a hippos horse. It was an appis bull. The sacred bull of Egypt and Minos. R

@theseustoo

9 ай бұрын

@@RalphEllis The video says they (i.e. ships) were called 'horses'... not 'bulls', Ralph. Do you have some evidence to support your assertion to the contrary? I've heard of the Apis bull, of course, but I understood that it was connected to the sun, rather than to the sea god... hence the sun-disc which his images invariably displayed between his horns. However the meaning of this bull has changed over time. It was also associated with the creator god, Ptah, as well as the god of the underworld, (Incidentally, although Anubis was the god of the underworld - i.e. the dead - in the Old Kingdom, Osiris replaced him in the Middle Kingdom, and Osiris was also a sun-god and 'god of the grain'...) Later the Apis bull was also associated with Hathor, about whom Google has this to say: "Hathor was the ancient Egyptian deity of many realms: mother to Horus, god of the sky, and Ra, the sun god; and goddess of beauty (including cosmetics), sensuality, music, dancing, and maternity. She is often depicted wearing a headdress of cow horns with a sun disk between them, or as a cow or lioness."

@wimpymcsteel4458

9 ай бұрын

Google "Seahorses", and maybe that image will make more sense.

0:07: ! The video discusses the story of the Trojan Horse and questions its authenticity. 7:00: 📚 Homer's work and the Trojan Horse have captivated audiences for over 2,500 years. 15:21: 🐴 The wooden horse in The Odyssey is barely described, which is unusual for Homer's meticulous descriptions. 22:48: ! The video discusses the archaeological findings at Troy and explores the possible causes of its downfall. 30:02: 🚢 The video discusses the possibility of Homer referring to Phoenician ships called 'hippos' in his writings on ancient seafaring. 37:04: 📚 Virgil introduced the idea of a horse into Roman culture through his work, consolidating the story of the Trojan Horse. 44:59: 🐴 The video discusses the theory that the Trojan Horse was actually a ship and explores evidence from the Bronze Freeze of Balawat. Recap by Tammy AI

@dannydetonator

9 ай бұрын

Thanks, rough stomper!

I LOVE the sincerity and absolute certainty that they’re right. They don’t KNOW anything; they’re simply guessing

@Andy_Babb

9 ай бұрын

“Guessing” is a bit of a stretch.

@chucku.farley3927

9 ай бұрын

they all do that, but since they have a degree their guess is called fact.

Myth or not, the moral of this tale is, "Beware of Greek's bearing gifts! They're utter smegheads!"

I always believe that the Trojan horse was the cavalry. The Spartans and Greeks killed the Trojan cavalry then dressed up as Trojans and rode to the gates of the city Troy pretending like they were under attack, gates opened and Spartans were inside.

The interesting part, whether it was a horse, a ship or otherwise, is that this prize that was brought into the city was left unattended for the night. This was crucial for the plot, but rather unrealistic.

What about the wooden hare? "Run away! Run away! Run away!!!"

Very interesting and completely plausible.

what a wonderful thesis and presentation. thank you.

A camel is still referred as "ship of the desert "

@eljanrimsa5843

9 ай бұрын

That's the other way round. Or do you want to claim Homer that Homer means camels when he talks about ships and the Greeks were actually nomads riding war camels?

Great job. Really worth spending time to understand.

It's not a horse but a wooden seige tower on wheels. When describing it to people back home the only thing they know that can carry people is a horse. Made of wood it carries people. They move it to the walls the people inside climb out, go over the wall and inside the city and open the gates.

Excellent camera work!

They took an hour to say that it may have been a ship rather than an actual horse statue. Took me less than a minute.

Excellent documentary. Thank you.🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Great documentary.

Great video 🎉❤

Absolutely fascinating! The idea of the use of a Phoenecian tribute ship or hippos at Troy versus a giant wooden monument rings true but only time will tell, when another shipwreck or cache of scrolls or decorated frieze reveals another piece of the puzzle. The appearance of the legend in the late Bronze Age after the collapse of the Myceans' culture passed through the Mediterranean like a tsunami in the wake of a volcanic eruption makes this all the more interesting. Thank you!

This was wonderful to watch.

I still have my doubts about accurate location of Troy...

The Illiad does not mention the Horse. The Illiad refers always to 'The Horse Taming Trojans'.

Something new to learn. It makes more sense.

It's seems incredibly unlikely we will learn of the reality. The beauty is that we have a story and a metaphor that informs our culture to this day. All else is icing.

One hour watching to get to the same conclusion.

I have it from one source only and a source that cannot find back but looms in my memory as being told by Micheal Wood in his documentery about the Trojan War. the source told that the Trojan Horse was in the line of the rituals of Bronze Age north west Anatolia, which states that was common to construct enormous vessal like votives with animal charistics. This horse should therefor be just such a votive.

Thank you.

amazing

From this comes the phrase, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"

"Beware of gifts bearing Greeks...."

@adyseven1

9 ай бұрын

Never look a gift horse in the mouth?

I appreciated the map at nine minutes. It was very clever to paint the map in orange and black, popular colors of pottery of the period, and later.

Though much shorter than the six hour documentary narrated by Michael Wood, this doc holds its own. And it's more up to date. (Though I think much of Wood's ideas have held up very well.)

This theses is really stretching it.

@ericmixer

9 ай бұрын

What makes them think that the story is a myth ? Historiansdo the same with the Scriptures or Holy Bible !

@etiennenobel5028

9 ай бұрын

Referring to the bible; you are of the opinion that the virgin birth, the resurrection and the the ascension isn't myth but real? @@ericmixer

@Dude0000

9 ай бұрын

The Bible is historically correct when compared to other sources and archeology. The virgin birth and ascension are the parts that require faith as they are unverifiable.

Interpretation of "horse" being a ship with horse head at the bow, makes sense in this light.

The war was because of mercantile interests, not because of Helen.

Them Greeks were badass! 🏇🐴🐎🎠

@angelnmo6554

9 ай бұрын

Wie sicher bist du denn dass Griechen waren. Hahahah

Maybe by the time the bard was reciting the story, his audience did not remember the ships/horses, so they understood the description literally.

I think the thousand ships in illiad are part of the sea peoples confideracy, in ten years siege on troy i think they attack and raid also coastal settlements and cities but after they destroyed troy comes the Oddesey when Oddeseus wander for many years which i think the time they invade Egypt but got defeated, remember the lotus eater story which he spends time the most i think its Egypt and they are known to use a lotus hallugenic plants,it explains why only Oddeseus came home with no other of his men remain either they are captured by Egyptians or killed, and after Oddeseus came home either he escaped or earned his freedom and to make his lost honorable he make tall tales about his adventures just like what we call today fishermans tale or seamans tale which usually has large amount of embellishments and BS.

@samneis128

9 ай бұрын

Yes, i think they are part of the Sea People too. To make a little story out of it: let's say its 900BC and civilization is starting to come back. The Hittites are mostly dead. The Egyptians just barely made it, and are trying to figure out what went wrong 200 or 300 years before. And then the Greeks just show up, and they're like "hey we got no idea either man, but we just made up this poem about how our great great grandfathers massacred some city and then went all over the place murdering people! You should listen. Its a really fun story!" Kind of sus.

22:51 "Helen, Priam and Paris watch the battle from the Trojan walls" That's incorrect. Paris was already dead by that point. He was struct down by the Greek archer Philoctetes, who used Hercules's bow and arrows (doused with hydra venom) before the sacking of Troy.

@ngauruhoezodiac3143

9 ай бұрын

According to the Iliad Paris shot a fatal arrow into Achilles' heel.

@MarkAS56

9 ай бұрын

Paris is not killed in Iliad. He's still alive at the end.

The Trojan horse was a cavalrey unit

A horse as gift for Athene? Maybe for Poseidon as ruler of the sea to grant safe travel😅

2:15 yikes... that drone camera work gives me the heebie jeebies.😲

Music please??🥺🤞

Well what if we made a wooden badger!

what if the horse wasn't a horse but a ...... Mare ...

@kamion53

9 ай бұрын

a mare is still a horse, just like a stallion is.

@abouttime1967

9 ай бұрын

@@kamion53 sarcasm... S.A.R.C.A.S.M.

Fifteen THOUSAND views, and only 318 LIKES!

Couldn't have been yet another cataclysm.

the trojan horse was really the seige towers our ancestors used. the head was the top with the ramp to lower onto the wall. the soldiers where inside the upright neck part. it is understandable with imagination. and artistic license easy to see the comparison. between horse and seige tower.

A horse built from scrapped ships? What about a wooden tower, filled with the best Greek soldiers. A tower big enough to break the gate.

Very plausible.

nice idea but horses has nothing to do with Athena...with Poseidon a lot...nice docu big error

It was not a hippos horse. It was an appis bull. The sacred bull of Egypt and Minos. R

wouldn't they have pulled a boat/ship towards the sea rather than -- inside their fortifications -- inland?

@mikecranapple8878

8 ай бұрын

I think you missed the part where they explained the custom of bringing gifts & offerings to the god's alter, which was INSIDE the city.

This story has to be connected to the sea people, I mean 10 years at war in one place when the soldiers moaned Troy I'd far and wide was it an area more than a city. Is this a story of the sea people from some of the sea people, did it cause a wider conflict between the land trade people and sea trade people, interesting to say the least.

@2:23-2:27 wait.... what? The Trojan Horse story is NOT told by Homer. Where are you getting your information?!?!?

So it took them 10yrs to figure out that they should build a siege engine?

its real simple it was built when the king of the Greeks went and confided the oracle of Delphi because he was frustrated at the stalemate of the conflict and was told "to make a boat that walks on land to carry your troops into the city" so by flipping a boat upside down and makeing the legs the trogan horse was built hence why it ended up looking like a horse

@Russellm07

9 ай бұрын

Can you cite the line??

"Do not look a gift horse in the mouth." This is an ancient term from Troy.

@ulfq959

8 ай бұрын

You will know the age of a horse by checking the teeth

Was Anthenor the Troyan horse to open a door?

A battering ramp or seage tower.

Anyone think to have that copper analyzed as to country of origin ??? Millions of tons of copper from N America went somewhere ???

Could Homer read and write?

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

they have really durable condoms

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts 😂

A horse is a horse of ourse ofcourse.

It was my understanding that a battering ram, hung from ropes, so it could be swung, and covered with wood and fireproof hides, called a 'horse' was used to break the gate. But then I'm not a padantic academic, inculcated with propaganda however silly.

The early Danayoi and Ahayoi, ancestors of Old Greeks did not look middle eastern. Just take a look at contemporary sculptures from 5th and 4th century BC. Even better, look at the earliest Greek sculptures, Kuros, from 8th-7th century BC. Nothing Persian or Middle Eastern in them. Very much like nowadays Central Europeans.

Which of the 6 levels of Troy are they talking about? Castles, forts, and walled cities don't have alot of empty space inside. Certainly not enough for a giant horse. Military campaigns were undertaken for plunder and slaves - and Spartan women were NOT beautiful!

Homer did not “write”

If the Trojan Horse was a ship wouldn't the Trojans have looked inside, and found the Greek warriors hiding inside? The ending of this documentary is nonsense.

@mikecranapple8878

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking similar. But even if it was a wooden horse, I always wondered why the Trojans wouldn't have inspected it thoroughly, etc. 1. Hidden panels. The ship builders/repairers of the Greeks could have built hidden spaces even for as few as 2 or 6 people to unlock the gate. 2. Dragging it intact into the city to the offering place so that their god(s) & the citizens can appreciate it fully...Then all getting drunk that night of course!

MEMNON WHAT OF MEMNON AND HIS ETHIOPIAN ARMY

Why is Homer speaking Arabic?

And all this is happening during the collapse of the bronze age... And the sea people that was attacking the coast.. Whole story is a fairy tale nursery rhyme there is no such place called troy

pretty sure the persians weren't stupid enough to fall for this. The victors write the history books

@ngauruhoezodiac3143

9 ай бұрын

The Trojans were more likely to have been descendants of the Hittites than Persians.

Maybe it was all Trojan bull? 😉

Troyans had Greek names, Greek Gods, same civilisation with Greeks and spoke Greeks. Also were white race, not Asian. This was a war between Greek cities as always happened in past!

It's all about money. There was no Trojan Horse. Homer was a BS artist and he made living this way.

I liked toyan better

1st Special Forces....!

Never believed the story.

They should have burned the horse. Don't accept gifts.

LMAO NICE AI GENERATED THUMBNAIL BRO THAT HORSE GOT A LEG GROWING OUT ITS CHEST GOOD JOB

@dmacrolens

10 ай бұрын

Do you always play with yourself in public?

@g_y.rtz420

10 ай бұрын

@@dmacrolens do you also randomly spout nonsense in public like you do online? Not a good sign i'd get that checked

@ioannisantoniadis6719

9 ай бұрын

This video reminds me the Troy of Netflix with a black gay playing Achilles, especially after Brad Pitt's success in an earlier movie. The superiority of Hellenic civilisation in the world, can comment or be explained only by ancient Greek historian This so called documentary Made special to ridicule Greek history and mythology. Over 100,000 soldiers United all the Hellenic states just for the kidnapping of Hellen. Images and details on thousands of potteries of that time, is the proof .

@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733

9 ай бұрын

​@@g_y.rtz420it was a fair question.

@g_y.rtz420

9 ай бұрын

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The Iliad has no outcome and ends with the funeral games for Patroclus. Centuries later the Greek audiences demanded an ending so an unknown poet or playwright created one. Anything beyond that is just fabrication. This video is pointless and misguided.

@julianmarsh8384

9 ай бұрын

YOUR evaluation is pointless and misguided.

Don't think so, out of wreckage of war ships they built it, as a tribute to their enemy and they took the bait 🪤! Let's not mess with it! 👍

Don’t you know that Homer was blind ! What makes you believe Homer ever wrote anything ?

@ngauruhoezodiac3143

9 ай бұрын

Probably he was not born blind but suffered from cataracts in old age.

Iliad and odyssey is our our strangle as human beings in life ! Iliad is leaving home churching for the unknown to bring it back home as odyssey to rest in peace but dying

@user-yk3sl4xd6x

9 ай бұрын

HOMER WAS BLIND HOMER IN GREEK MEANS PRISONER OF WAR ! ( LIFE’S WAR …STRANGLE TO SURVIVE ) WAR OF LIFE PARIS IS TO TAKE ,HELEN THE LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE ODYSSEYS IS YOU WHEN IN LIFE RISING TO FALL GOING BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM

@user-yk3sl4xd6x

9 ай бұрын

How Homer can observe anything ,since he was a blind man ? Why don’t you check Greek historians what they have to say about homers sight ?

@user-yk3sl4xd6x

9 ай бұрын

HOMER WAS A BLIND BARD FROM IONIA

FINALLY .. THE EFIN TRUTH

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Two people talking at the same time is incredibly annoying! Hard to hear what's being said regardless. Bad dubbing. Useless dubbing