Regarding the Te Papa Helmet, it could have been embedded in anaerobic ( no oxygen) mud in the Hutt River until it was dislodged by a flood then it was rolled into the harbour where it was dredged up.
@kingwah90092 ай бұрын
The good night kiwi got me.❤
@AIex-KlDD11 ай бұрын
Stewart island is now on the bucket list of travel locations. Those hikes look amazing
@trentjohnson8794Ай бұрын
He forgot whalers and sealers , best kept secrets amongst the captains of the day
@gavinharper57442 ай бұрын
What about Aranga up north....Named after the Spanish ship that crashed there...We were told the old hall was made out of the ship...plus the Chinese junks that are found in the sand dunes around from pouto point... much bigger ship bones still in the sand we see now and then on our beaches and ships still in mud in Dargaville....
@paulfaber6227Ай бұрын
The Spanish arrived at Tahiti before Cook. Cook showed Tupia a book of all the European flags and asked him if any other ships displayed these flags before the British one. Tupia immediately without hesitation pointed at the Spanish flag in the book. Whether the Spanish or Portugese made it to NZ before Tasman, insufficient evidence at this time.
@paulrummery6905 Жыл бұрын
I had read the helmet and cannon ball were likely Portuguese..possibly from Mendonsa in 1520 or such? .a book by Peter Trickett. There is a 550 odd year old stone stockade on the far south Coast of NSW.. enjoying the stories lads.
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
Have not heard of that and will look into it today. Thank you, very interesting!
@lynndonharnell422
Ай бұрын
Also rumours of a Spanish galleon wreck in the sand just on south point of Moreton Island near Brisbane. First apparent sighting was by a convict fishing party, but couldn't be found by a later party.
@geoffdean3532Ай бұрын
The dismissive sceptic is an energy drain on this otherwise fascinating ducumentry,
@jeremyphilipjohnpenrice462Ай бұрын
The 220 metre high Wave is from the Burkle Asteriod Impact off the Coast of South America. It covered extensively by Oz Geographics. The 220 metre High wave deposited sand Called Chevrons across the Australian Coasts. The Lagest deposit being Farewell Spit. Everything is about Geoplogy and Environmental Impacts. Jeremy Penrice. Forensic Electrical Engineer. New Zealand.
@glengrant3884Ай бұрын
Let's not challenge the ego of mainstream akkadreamia hey!!?🤑😏😡
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
What they do with taxpayers money is treasonous.
@FlacK88-ek8vgАй бұрын
Those massive nails they used was interesting,and penned over both ends like a rivet! One thing for certain the Spaniards would have made the poms look like choir boys if they had established...
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
We would be like Central America.
@peterbigelow5255
Ай бұрын
At least we would have better food, wine and faith
@nomoneyglobal Жыл бұрын
How do you only have 1k followers
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
We have just recently reached the 1k mark. Have a small but jolly community over here. Thanks for watching matey.
@insanebuslady
Жыл бұрын
Massively underrated channel, but has grown by 300 or so subs in the the last couple months, I believe. Hopefully continues to grow
@naughtiusmaximus830
Жыл бұрын
KZread doesn’t like western history.
@ohoto3896
10 ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory Jolly crew we be, Graham. Is the main other lad Jared? I'm a week new. Is this a backlog of a radio show? It sounds too authentic to be recent, that makes no sense but you know what I mean. I enjoy your wit when you interject.
@TiimehАй бұрын
If modern politics will hide the past at all lengths, one must ask, what of the present is being hidden at all costs?
@nicholastaylor3638Ай бұрын
Where did Kelly Talton find the Spanish coins?& what were the coins found in wellington harbor?
@yiannisdinou86792 ай бұрын
There was a tsunaml 1550s
@epigwaitthistory
2 ай бұрын
I agree. It seems the Pacific gets a big one every so often
@TheBeaker592 ай бұрын
I would not be surprised if European and Chinese visitors came to NZ but I doubt they interacted with Maori mainly because Maori are a smart and fast adopters of technology and they lack at least 2 technologies that would be so useful to them that Spanish and Chinese would have known. Firstly archery and secondly pottery both ideal for catching and cooking birds and fish.
@darwinbruce59
2 ай бұрын
Maori DNA shows that they come from the Southern Tribes of Taiwan 🇹🇼.
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
Name 1 example of them adapting technology. They forgot how to go to sea for peets sake
@TheBeaker59
2 ай бұрын
@@N-64pro Maori were definitely travelling by sea all over the place they were regular visitors to Kermadecs and Chatham islands which is a pretty serious navigational feat. Captain Cook left potatoes and pigs within a few years Maori were trading all over the Pacific in those items and other crops in the new to them sail trading vessels. They were very quick adopters of firearms hence Musket wars. Want some more examples?
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
@@TheBeaker59 no they weren't, no they didn't and anyone can shoot a gun when your opponent doesn't have them. They were a great warrior people who farmed well but technology wasn't their strong point
@TheBeaker59
2 ай бұрын
@@N-64pro You do realise that was the technology of the day which they adopted not sure what you are arguing now these are were accepted facts?
@dfunk1866 Жыл бұрын
The boulder have gotten so much smaller just in my life time... if you want to see them, do it sooner rather than later!
@N-64pro
Жыл бұрын
Really? I haven't been since I was little but they were huge from memory.
@lifeliver9000
Ай бұрын
@@N-64proso where my back door steps when I was growing up😀
@lav3crewman Жыл бұрын
According to legend, the moraki boulders were anchors left behind by the supposed 1421 Chinese expedition.
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
They are definitely worth a look at and a few nice cafes there.
@JohnWilson-cs7iq
3 ай бұрын
Those boulders are seen to be coming out of the bank as the land is eroded & the sea advances.
@tomobedlam297
2 ай бұрын
As Mark Twain said: "The truth is always stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense". The interviewer is quick to dismiss anything that deviates from a smooth, linear version of history. Heaven forbid anything random fall from the sky.
@captainsensiblejr.
2 ай бұрын
There is a partial European female skull found in a river near Lake Ferry south of Featherston in the Wairarapa. It was carbon dated to a median date of 1700, which is 69 years before Captain Cook arrived.
@captainsensiblejr.
2 ай бұрын
The Spanish tended to use the Cape of Good Hope route because the roaring forties would quickly blow ships vast distances until they reached Australia then headed north through Indonesia to the Philippines.
@francois9747Ай бұрын
Love the videos! Gonna sub now.
@brenthargreaves7085Ай бұрын
Marrian du Fresne was in northland at the same time as cook (2nd voyage I think) they passed each other in a storm. Du Fresnes' journey started in Ceylon and his journey ended in hangi in the bay of islands and or the Hokianga.
@ZmanTace
Ай бұрын
Marrian du fresne got killed in the bay of islands with a massive amount of his men for fishing in a rahui. As a result the remaining men aboard their ship bombarded 3 of the main Pa sites and left. They tried to claim nz aswell but then bumped into cook
@dessteptoweАй бұрын
Wouldn't the Maori or moriori have mentioned if the Spanish landed before cook?
@AORD72
Ай бұрын
Did they write it down and record it? A couples of generations and information can be lost. Did any of the few thousand Maori see them?
@dessteptowe
Ай бұрын
@@AORD72 true, I guess it would be unlikely. Definitely has my interest.
@helenstillman-dk7jmАй бұрын
Omg the interviewer seems2have noooo idea how much history he thinks is in concrete is actuallyassumptions from f-all proof - hes sooo grrrr wat day? What date? Blah blah why interview when ur brain is so closed
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
I felt the same way whilst editing
@helenstillman-dk7jm
Ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory we had a spanish prince visit&stay wth us, we didnt really advertise although there is a small article bout it in papers past & he visited cause his ancestors had - some people dont like2advertise 4 good reasons & then there are others who go on & on bout a "meeting" ....lots of famous people stayed at our Minaret station nz doesnt knw bout people 4get the assassinations tht were goin on back then & when u can go somewhere incognito its a welcome releif
@101sharkoАй бұрын
That would explain how the Maoris (who have no proof or evidence of ever sailing anywhere else) got the South American sweet potato that they call Kumara, and also the Maoris use the word Tuna for eels, which was a Spanish word that was recorded in 15th century documents (before NZ was discovered) describing fish that they had no name for, so it was a general word used by the Spanish.
@user-ii1iy8fz1dАй бұрын
I dont think youre allowed to say "maori were colonisers" that sound like youre culturally appropriating the brits dutch french etc.. 😂
@nikobellic3856Ай бұрын
Maori wakas are a thing of beuty rowing those things thousands of miles had to make you tough
@FlacK88-ek8vg
Ай бұрын
Have you heard of sails..?
@nikobellic3856
Ай бұрын
@@FlacK88-ek8vg I meant maybe part of the reason polynesians are built the way they are Is because they didn't use the sail..
@FlacK88-ek8vg
Ай бұрын
@@nikobellic3856 For sure,they would have had to row alot at times, unfavorable winds and becalmed no doubt...
@francois9747
Ай бұрын
Pretty much why Pacific Islanders are strong. You're on small islands so it's small populations and if the only people who survive and give their offspring are the strongest ones who are durable enough to survive then only the strong people will populate the future generations of that island's population. If you have constant war, and only the strongest win the battles and survive to give their offspring, then you have present day Pacific Islanders (Including Maori).
@robertwoodroffe123Ай бұрын
Puma Punku
@moonuni
Ай бұрын
Puma door 🚪😅
@gitingrewal2204Ай бұрын
Love you stories! Why do you have such a strange cartoon in the beginning?
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
It's the goodnight kiwi. Was used to close New Zealand television from the 60s until the 90s. The cat heard in the background is my own manx cat Rom.
@gitingrewal2204
Ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory thanks for explaining
@user-fr7gj5gy9f2 ай бұрын
Paul Moon is a no good history professor of Auckland University as are the local maori.
@tomobedlam297
2 ай бұрын
Is he the one shooting down everything the other guy is saying?
@user-fr7gj5gy9f
2 ай бұрын
He covered my family....asked none of us and got it seriously wrong. The Yanks say he is no good too and the maori have no clue at all..@@tomobedlam297
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
@@tomobedlam297 no, not connected with the channel. He is a university lecturer that is quite controversial
@ZmanTace
Ай бұрын
@@user-fr7gj5gy9f what are you trying to say us Maori don't know
@moonuniАй бұрын
Ragland harbour was there a sapossed spanish wreak there quiet possible need underwater magnetic testing and detecting.
@craiggee9928Ай бұрын
Great interview , ruined at the very end .
@elenalexeyАй бұрын
It was not a shipreck. Capt. Fernandes from Spanish colony Chili in 1590th discovered Rapanui and Maoriland then. He returned back to Chili with the whole his crew. They stayed for a while at the peninsula which they called Miramar, and brought venereal diseases to Maori people and, possibly, kumara.
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
What is this Māori land ? You mention ??
@elenalexey
Ай бұрын
@@robertwoodroffe123 ???
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
@@elenalexey sorry where were the Māori he gave VD ? …. Māoriland !! There’s a lot of ocean between Easter island and nz !
@elenalexey
Ай бұрын
@@robertwoodroffe123 In 1590-th Tasman was not born yet :)))
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
@@elenalexey and yet Russian person says some random stuff ? Means nothing if u can’t elaborate! With expanded facts ??? To give proper context to your apparent random statement
@TheMudwatcher2 ай бұрын
Very few ships were in the Pacific in those times. Navigators from Europe were very rare and very well recorded, No stray journeys are likely.
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
That's hogwash. Pacific record keeping was oral and scattered between the islands. Are you seriously suggesting they had sone sort of news network?
@MrMigido
Ай бұрын
How in eff would you know that? or even substantiate it? Stop wasting the internet. Stick to watching kids movies and making shapes.
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Regarding the Te Papa Helmet, it could have been embedded in anaerobic ( no oxygen) mud in the Hutt River until it was dislodged by a flood then it was rolled into the harbour where it was dredged up.
The good night kiwi got me.❤
Stewart island is now on the bucket list of travel locations. Those hikes look amazing
He forgot whalers and sealers , best kept secrets amongst the captains of the day
What about Aranga up north....Named after the Spanish ship that crashed there...We were told the old hall was made out of the ship...plus the Chinese junks that are found in the sand dunes around from pouto point... much bigger ship bones still in the sand we see now and then on our beaches and ships still in mud in Dargaville....
The Spanish arrived at Tahiti before Cook. Cook showed Tupia a book of all the European flags and asked him if any other ships displayed these flags before the British one. Tupia immediately without hesitation pointed at the Spanish flag in the book. Whether the Spanish or Portugese made it to NZ before Tasman, insufficient evidence at this time.
I had read the helmet and cannon ball were likely Portuguese..possibly from Mendonsa in 1520 or such? .a book by Peter Trickett. There is a 550 odd year old stone stockade on the far south Coast of NSW.. enjoying the stories lads.
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
Have not heard of that and will look into it today. Thank you, very interesting!
@lynndonharnell422
Ай бұрын
Also rumours of a Spanish galleon wreck in the sand just on south point of Moreton Island near Brisbane. First apparent sighting was by a convict fishing party, but couldn't be found by a later party.
The dismissive sceptic is an energy drain on this otherwise fascinating ducumentry,
The 220 metre high Wave is from the Burkle Asteriod Impact off the Coast of South America. It covered extensively by Oz Geographics. The 220 metre High wave deposited sand Called Chevrons across the Australian Coasts. The Lagest deposit being Farewell Spit. Everything is about Geoplogy and Environmental Impacts. Jeremy Penrice. Forensic Electrical Engineer. New Zealand.
Let's not challenge the ego of mainstream akkadreamia hey!!?🤑😏😡
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
What they do with taxpayers money is treasonous.
Those massive nails they used was interesting,and penned over both ends like a rivet! One thing for certain the Spaniards would have made the poms look like choir boys if they had established...
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
We would be like Central America.
@peterbigelow5255
Ай бұрын
At least we would have better food, wine and faith
How do you only have 1k followers
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
We have just recently reached the 1k mark. Have a small but jolly community over here. Thanks for watching matey.
@insanebuslady
Жыл бұрын
Massively underrated channel, but has grown by 300 or so subs in the the last couple months, I believe. Hopefully continues to grow
@naughtiusmaximus830
Жыл бұрын
KZread doesn’t like western history.
@ohoto3896
10 ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory Jolly crew we be, Graham. Is the main other lad Jared? I'm a week new. Is this a backlog of a radio show? It sounds too authentic to be recent, that makes no sense but you know what I mean. I enjoy your wit when you interject.
If modern politics will hide the past at all lengths, one must ask, what of the present is being hidden at all costs?
Where did Kelly Talton find the Spanish coins?& what were the coins found in wellington harbor?
There was a tsunaml 1550s
@epigwaitthistory
2 ай бұрын
I agree. It seems the Pacific gets a big one every so often
I would not be surprised if European and Chinese visitors came to NZ but I doubt they interacted with Maori mainly because Maori are a smart and fast adopters of technology and they lack at least 2 technologies that would be so useful to them that Spanish and Chinese would have known. Firstly archery and secondly pottery both ideal for catching and cooking birds and fish.
@darwinbruce59
2 ай бұрын
Maori DNA shows that they come from the Southern Tribes of Taiwan 🇹🇼.
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
Name 1 example of them adapting technology. They forgot how to go to sea for peets sake
@TheBeaker59
2 ай бұрын
@@N-64pro Maori were definitely travelling by sea all over the place they were regular visitors to Kermadecs and Chatham islands which is a pretty serious navigational feat. Captain Cook left potatoes and pigs within a few years Maori were trading all over the Pacific in those items and other crops in the new to them sail trading vessels. They were very quick adopters of firearms hence Musket wars. Want some more examples?
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
@@TheBeaker59 no they weren't, no they didn't and anyone can shoot a gun when your opponent doesn't have them. They were a great warrior people who farmed well but technology wasn't their strong point
@TheBeaker59
2 ай бұрын
@@N-64pro You do realise that was the technology of the day which they adopted not sure what you are arguing now these are were accepted facts?
The boulder have gotten so much smaller just in my life time... if you want to see them, do it sooner rather than later!
@N-64pro
Жыл бұрын
Really? I haven't been since I was little but they were huge from memory.
@lifeliver9000
Ай бұрын
@@N-64proso where my back door steps when I was growing up😀
According to legend, the moraki boulders were anchors left behind by the supposed 1421 Chinese expedition.
@epigwaitthistory
Жыл бұрын
They are definitely worth a look at and a few nice cafes there.
@JohnWilson-cs7iq
3 ай бұрын
Those boulders are seen to be coming out of the bank as the land is eroded & the sea advances.
@tomobedlam297
2 ай бұрын
As Mark Twain said: "The truth is always stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense". The interviewer is quick to dismiss anything that deviates from a smooth, linear version of history. Heaven forbid anything random fall from the sky.
@captainsensiblejr.
2 ай бұрын
There is a partial European female skull found in a river near Lake Ferry south of Featherston in the Wairarapa. It was carbon dated to a median date of 1700, which is 69 years before Captain Cook arrived.
@captainsensiblejr.
2 ай бұрын
The Spanish tended to use the Cape of Good Hope route because the roaring forties would quickly blow ships vast distances until they reached Australia then headed north through Indonesia to the Philippines.
Love the videos! Gonna sub now.
Marrian du Fresne was in northland at the same time as cook (2nd voyage I think) they passed each other in a storm. Du Fresnes' journey started in Ceylon and his journey ended in hangi in the bay of islands and or the Hokianga.
@ZmanTace
Ай бұрын
Marrian du fresne got killed in the bay of islands with a massive amount of his men for fishing in a rahui. As a result the remaining men aboard their ship bombarded 3 of the main Pa sites and left. They tried to claim nz aswell but then bumped into cook
Wouldn't the Maori or moriori have mentioned if the Spanish landed before cook?
@AORD72
Ай бұрын
Did they write it down and record it? A couples of generations and information can be lost. Did any of the few thousand Maori see them?
@dessteptowe
Ай бұрын
@@AORD72 true, I guess it would be unlikely. Definitely has my interest.
Omg the interviewer seems2have noooo idea how much history he thinks is in concrete is actuallyassumptions from f-all proof - hes sooo grrrr wat day? What date? Blah blah why interview when ur brain is so closed
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
I felt the same way whilst editing
@helenstillman-dk7jm
Ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory we had a spanish prince visit&stay wth us, we didnt really advertise although there is a small article bout it in papers past & he visited cause his ancestors had - some people dont like2advertise 4 good reasons & then there are others who go on & on bout a "meeting" ....lots of famous people stayed at our Minaret station nz doesnt knw bout people 4get the assassinations tht were goin on back then & when u can go somewhere incognito its a welcome releif
That would explain how the Maoris (who have no proof or evidence of ever sailing anywhere else) got the South American sweet potato that they call Kumara, and also the Maoris use the word Tuna for eels, which was a Spanish word that was recorded in 15th century documents (before NZ was discovered) describing fish that they had no name for, so it was a general word used by the Spanish.
I dont think youre allowed to say "maori were colonisers" that sound like youre culturally appropriating the brits dutch french etc.. 😂
Maori wakas are a thing of beuty rowing those things thousands of miles had to make you tough
@FlacK88-ek8vg
Ай бұрын
Have you heard of sails..?
@nikobellic3856
Ай бұрын
@@FlacK88-ek8vg I meant maybe part of the reason polynesians are built the way they are Is because they didn't use the sail..
@FlacK88-ek8vg
Ай бұрын
@@nikobellic3856 For sure,they would have had to row alot at times, unfavorable winds and becalmed no doubt...
@francois9747
Ай бұрын
Pretty much why Pacific Islanders are strong. You're on small islands so it's small populations and if the only people who survive and give their offspring are the strongest ones who are durable enough to survive then only the strong people will populate the future generations of that island's population. If you have constant war, and only the strongest win the battles and survive to give their offspring, then you have present day Pacific Islanders (Including Maori).
Puma Punku
@moonuni
Ай бұрын
Puma door 🚪😅
Love you stories! Why do you have such a strange cartoon in the beginning?
@epigwaitthistory
Ай бұрын
It's the goodnight kiwi. Was used to close New Zealand television from the 60s until the 90s. The cat heard in the background is my own manx cat Rom.
@gitingrewal2204
Ай бұрын
@@epigwaitthistory thanks for explaining
Paul Moon is a no good history professor of Auckland University as are the local maori.
@tomobedlam297
2 ай бұрын
Is he the one shooting down everything the other guy is saying?
@user-fr7gj5gy9f
2 ай бұрын
He covered my family....asked none of us and got it seriously wrong. The Yanks say he is no good too and the maori have no clue at all..@@tomobedlam297
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
@@tomobedlam297 no, not connected with the channel. He is a university lecturer that is quite controversial
@ZmanTace
Ай бұрын
@@user-fr7gj5gy9f what are you trying to say us Maori don't know
Ragland harbour was there a sapossed spanish wreak there quiet possible need underwater magnetic testing and detecting.
Great interview , ruined at the very end .
It was not a shipreck. Capt. Fernandes from Spanish colony Chili in 1590th discovered Rapanui and Maoriland then. He returned back to Chili with the whole his crew. They stayed for a while at the peninsula which they called Miramar, and brought venereal diseases to Maori people and, possibly, kumara.
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
What is this Māori land ? You mention ??
@elenalexey
Ай бұрын
@@robertwoodroffe123 ???
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
@@elenalexey sorry where were the Māori he gave VD ? …. Māoriland !! There’s a lot of ocean between Easter island and nz !
@elenalexey
Ай бұрын
@@robertwoodroffe123 In 1590-th Tasman was not born yet :)))
@robertwoodroffe123
Ай бұрын
@@elenalexey and yet Russian person says some random stuff ? Means nothing if u can’t elaborate! With expanded facts ??? To give proper context to your apparent random statement
Very few ships were in the Pacific in those times. Navigators from Europe were very rare and very well recorded, No stray journeys are likely.
@N-64pro
2 ай бұрын
That's hogwash. Pacific record keeping was oral and scattered between the islands. Are you seriously suggesting they had sone sort of news network?
@MrMigido
Ай бұрын
How in eff would you know that? or even substantiate it? Stop wasting the internet. Stick to watching kids movies and making shapes.