Wales _also_ had a symbol of Welsh sovereignty and independence that was taken by Edward: A golden cross that had been passed down through generations of native Welsh princess,known as the _Croes Naid_ ,it was said to contain a piece of the true cross. Edward took the golden Welsh cross ( weighing 24lbs) with him to Scotland and had the Scots to swear an oath of fealty in its presence. Unlike the stone of Scone ,the _Croes Naid_ didn't survive - it was melted down in 1552 to be 'put to coyne' 😔

@krim7

Жыл бұрын

Sad!

@cymro6537

Жыл бұрын

@@krim7 Yes it certainly is; there are surviving depictions of it in the ceiling bosses at the chapel of St George in Windsor (where it was kept for a few centuries) What's really sad is that here in Wales ,hardly _anyone_ is even aware that this symbol of Welsh independence even _existed_ 😞💔

@krim7

Жыл бұрын

@@cymro6537 That was most likely by designed sadly. Always trying to keep the Welsh down :(

@cymro6537

Жыл бұрын

@@krim7 Yes, after the death of the last _native_ Welsh Prince, Llywelyn ap Gruffudd in a skirmish with the English, his daughter of 18 months was spirited away to a nunnery in Lincolnshire - this making sure that she wouldn't produce any future Welsh princes that would challenge English overlordship. She never left the nunnery walls ,it was her prison for the remaining 54 years of her life..

@Jeffro5564

Жыл бұрын

Groes Naid not croes spell it it right the first time

A surprising amount of historical info packed into this short film. Excellent, and beautifully made and presented. Impressive. Nice one Dan. 🌟👍

@eh1702

Жыл бұрын

A surprising amount of anachronistic point-of-view implicit in the presentation, too. Who would have thought, listening to this, that most of what is covered was a time when England was a subsidiary realm of foreign French kings?

@NedNew

Жыл бұрын

William, go on easy on the fizzy drinks please. Next you'll be extolling the virtues of the Curious Case of the Empty Tin of Peas found in the Mrs. Nolans back garden.

@kimberlypatton205

10 ай бұрын

We should relish and rejoice in the pathways of all of our paths and traditions- together. Without bias or conviction. So many brave souls fought brutally ,and died trying to do as they thought correct- and we simply cannot go back and change anything. Just learn better for it.

Another interesting story, or urban myth, around the stone says that when the students from The University of Glasgow took the stone, they hid it in the Glasgow University Union building and a copy was left in Arbroath Abbey. The original stone, the story tells, still lies hidden in the walls of the GUU building. I remember hearing that story when I was an undergraduate at Glasgow.

@jamesmaclennan4525

Жыл бұрын

Another story has the Bruce hiding the original and replacing it with the lid of a privy. I cant remember where I heard that one but if it and your stories are both true then the stone we see is a fake of a fake.

@davidpaterson2309

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not an urban myth. The story in Scotland was that when the stone was stolen, the Dean of Westminster thought it would be a good idea to have a replica made, to outflank the nationalist plot to restore the stone to its rightful home, because who would know one lump of sandstone with an iron ring from another? OK said the plotters, let’s make a lot of replicas so that no one knows which one is real - and thus no one really knows whether “The Stone” is the original at all.. Thus the Scottish folk song of the 1950s (my childhood) “The Wee Magic Stane” which mocked the whole bloody nonsense and had the wonderful final verse “So if ever you come on a Stane wi' a ring, Jist sit yersel doon and proclaim yersel King, Fur there's nane wud be able to challenge yir claim, That you'd croont yersel King on the Destiny Stane.”

@jamesmaclennan4525

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpaterson2309 I think I have that song on an Alasdair MacDonald LP..yes I'm old enough to have LPs.

@chelamcguire

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpaterson2309 David, I love the wee ditty and also your 'Stone' info. Many thanks. Got to say that my late mother was a naughty lassie back in the day and went about painting post boxes green! An anti-Royalist happily married a Royalist for a wonderful 56 years. Mother said that, after watching a film at the picture house, the National Anthem would be played. She'd remain sat and father would stand to attention! Hey-ho, their love lasted! Thanks again.

@NedNew

Жыл бұрын

Another story is that the stone is just like any other stone and that a local man, Arthur Fennon, used it when building a wall around his farm in 1708. Arthur later d tamaged a tooth when he accidentally fell off the same wall 9 years later. He was wearing a greeen and grey coat at the time.

Westminster Abbey is such a beautiful work of art. The sound of the choir in person must be heavenly ❤

@madeleine7

Жыл бұрын

Built by Catholic Benedictines over 1000 years ago and stolen by Protestant , Henry VIII, along with 0ver 800 other properties, belonging to the Catholic Church.

@geofflever7089

Жыл бұрын

@@madeleine7 All built by taxing the poor who were starving, whilst they sat in their cathedrals and abbeys surrounded by gold and silver.

The narration of the Stone splitting in two isn't quite accurate. The arson attack in 1914 was what broke it as the Stone was cracked into two pieces by the force of the blast that damaged the Coronation Chair, rather than the students' actions. The Abbey authorities chose not to make this information public and so, when Ian Hamilton and his companions pulled the Stone out of the Coronation Chair, the two pieces came apart. It was the smaller piece, roughly a quarter of the Stone's volume, that Ian and his female companion were keeping hidden when the policeman approached them outside the Abbey. I was a guide at Westminster Abbey in the 1990's and was one of the first to see the Chair without the Stone after the latter was taken back to Scotland.

@transvestosaurus878

Жыл бұрын

Great extra info. Thanks (and always read the comments!)

@notgadot

7 ай бұрын

@@transvestosaurus878 you are well come.

🙏❤️Thank you for sharing that history of the Stone of Schoon.... 😊, I've always been fascinated about Scotland ❤️, since i got to read about it in books in our grade school library...

@briandawson8701

Жыл бұрын

For Schoon read SCONE ! Just outside the City of Perth Scotland

@lizmacleod8903

Жыл бұрын

@@briandawson8701 yes Skoon it's pronounced. I actually live here in Scone

Thank you, so informative and appreciated for this history info.

There was a very similar stone at Tullyhogue in Ulster, on which the premier Gaelic clan chieftain of Ulster, The O'Neill, was inaugurated for nearly a thousand years. This ended with the conquest of Ulster in 1602, when the stone was smashed and scattered by the English forces under Lord Mountjoy, towards the end of the Nine Years war (1594-1603) which was the attempt by the last O'Neill (Aodh Mor) to re-conquer all of Ireland from the English. The smashing and scattering of the stone of Tullyhogue symbolized (and was intended to symbolize) the overthrow of the Gaelic order in Ireland. That the stone was smashed instead of being incorporated into the British throne like the stone of Scone has its own symbolic resonance, in that the Irish would never regard themselves, nor be regarded by the British, as being 'British' in the way the Welsh and the Scottish came to be. Maybe if an O'Neill had set his family for a century on the English Throne, as Welshman Henry Tudor and Scotsman James Stuart did, things would have turned out differently. Strange things, these stones.

@masterteachereducationconv9766

Жыл бұрын

As a great grand daughter x many of Hugh O'Neill , Lord Matthew O'Kelly O'Neill and Conn Baccagh all the way back to Niall I find this incredibly infuriating . I live in NZ and even here we have felt the arrogance of the English . Really sad but really of its time.

@seanochroidheain6687

Жыл бұрын

The Stewart's were the descendents of Fergal Mor who was sent over to Scotland by the Irish High King in 501to be Prince of Dalriada which later became Scotland.

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

@@masterteachereducationconv9766 My direct ancestor was a chieftain that swore allegiance to Hugh O'Neill (and was eventually exiled from Ireland as a result), so strange as it may seem my ancestor probably knew and fought alongside yours.

@samprastherabbit

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to start researching that so I could leave an informed comment, but you did it way better than I could! Fair play :)

@bobmitchell8012

Жыл бұрын

Not the bloody Stuarts, they licked the Popes feet.

Great Britain has a beautiful History and folklore 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 From a french woman 🇫🇷

It was perhaps more importantly used to crown the Scots Kings ( something Dan Snow overlooked).

@notgadot

7 ай бұрын

@@eilidh8984 the winner took all. 😊

The host is, as always, sympathetic and dynamic.

One thing is evident. The English took it from Scotland.

@smguk2412

Жыл бұрын

They couldn't even protect their stones 😂

@thostaylor

Жыл бұрын

Anachronism Rules KO!

@fathurrochman2469

Жыл бұрын

Like everything else 😂😂

@jerrymiller9039

Жыл бұрын

Agreed it stayed in the UK

@samabrahams7687

Жыл бұрын

😂 sour as usual .

The stone comes from Perthshire in Scotland. Established from this 1998 paper "A geological perspective on the Stone of Destiny " By N. J. FORTEY , E. R. PHILLIPS , A . A. MCMILLAN and M. A. E. BROWNE British Geological Survey,

@ElectricPharmacy

Жыл бұрын

The stone will be on display in Perth city hall once the refurb work is finished.

@notgadot

7 ай бұрын

@@ElectricPharmacy Thanks for the info mate

I visited Edinburgh Castle 2 weeks ago, seeing the Stone, along with the Crown Jewels. I’m glad I saw it before it headed off for the coronation!

@DICKdeNORMATITY

Жыл бұрын

Mmmm did it not be despatched several months ago under herald and security?

@HLR4th

Жыл бұрын

@@DICKdeNORMATITY I was surprised to see it there… but the guards, guides and signage all said “Crown Jewels and Stone of Destiny ahead”. In the case, next to the sword, crown and scepter was a fairly large rectangular stone, rather than a small card reading “out for coronation”.

@CarrieAnn17

Жыл бұрын

The real authentic stone is hidden & protected. It was stolen in 1952 & broke apart. The real stone has 4 bars, the one on display has 3 bars. The fake stone on display is 114# lighter.

@rtqii

Жыл бұрын

@@DICKdeNORMATITY No it was transported last week, it arrived a few days before the coronation.

When the English invaded Scotland every man woman and child in Berwick was slaughtered. Runners travelled north to warn everyone what was coming their way which gave three or four days for the real stone to be hidden and a replica made of Perthshire sandstone . The original stone came from the Holy-iand not Perthshire. The monks were probably murdered as were so many

Meanwhile the ancient English coronation stones lies out side the council offices of Kingston on Thames in Surrey. On this stone King Æthelstan was crowned in Kingston in 925, King Eadred in 946, King Æthelred in 979 and many others . Yet unlike the Scottish stone of Scoon it lies untouch and un celebrated.

@zippy4star

Жыл бұрын

Glad you mentioned this. It's a pity more people don't talk about it. As far as I understand it's in a similar position along the course of the Thames as Scone is along the Tay. Suggesting that this was a key consideration. Do you have any idea what the English crowning stone is made of and if it was quarried locally to Kingston on Thames?

@cymro6537

Жыл бұрын

Yes ,such a shame that this stone is pretty much forgotten.....😕

@johnbrereton5229

Жыл бұрын

@@zippy4star Apparently it's a Sarsen stone, the same as at Stonehenge. However, where it originated I don't know. Though you might be right about both stones river locations, because the rivers were our ancient ancestors motorways.

@janeknight3597

Жыл бұрын

Gosh! I didn’t know it still existed. That is amazing. I

@helenamcginty4920

Жыл бұрын

When I was at Kingston upon Thames Art College in 1968 or 9 (I forget which) we were told it was the quite small stone standing in the churchyard of the church by the bridge over the river. We told an visiting American student and he misunderstood. He thought that the kings of England had sat on it and got stoned. (Which he was almost permanently. 😉)

Beautiful story 😍

Damn we have some awesome history in the UK 🇬🇧 😊

Love your work 👍

There is in Scotland the conviction among many that the “returned” stone was a copy.

@melvinpenman1102

Жыл бұрын

well said, the current sandstone nonsense is a fake, the British inbred Family can keep it

@samprastherabbit

Жыл бұрын

The English have form, as they say 😂

The “roughly carved cross” is extremely dodgy, definitely in the eye of the beholder. The central rectangle - look how roughly that is marked out. It is so obviously just a rough series of chisel strikes to start carving out a recess. The “cross” id the first strip across that rectangle that was going to be carved out. It’s bleedin’ obvious that this particular stone was marked out extremely roughly as a preliminary and never finished.

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that cross was very dubious.

Interesting that the word LIAFAIL is pronounced the same whether read left to right or right to left. English is read left to right and Hebrew is read right to left. In both languages it's meaning is the same-- DESTINY .

@no15minutecities

Жыл бұрын

No sandstone in Israel though. Limestone yes.

@chriscarey1478

Жыл бұрын

@@no15minutecities a outcrop of identical stone was found in extreme west Jordan some years ago. Of course it didn't make the evening news, but some basic research online evidenced it to my satisfaction. There are many with a vested interest is concealing any connection between the LiafaiL and the middle east.

Saw the replica of the stone at Scone Chapel when we visited the palace in 2010. I’d love to see the real thing, though.

Thank you! It was interesting!

If the current Stone of Scone has been analysed to have been quarried near Scone, that would be a possible indication that it's not the original one since one of the things that make stones special and sacred is the fact they come from somewhere else considered sacred, or the effort it would have taken to move them where they are. If they could just pick any slab in the local quarry, it wouldn't have had much of a symbolic significance, but at least it would have made for an easy switcheroo for the monks to simply find a slab that was convincing enough to trick King Edward.

@andrewheaney6858

Жыл бұрын

I’ve always said that with the threat of German invasion in WW2 , they didn’t just leave the Crown Jewels lying around, so like yourself you just know it was definitely switched at some point !

@Foxglove963

Жыл бұрын

Don't be deceived by tales of trickery. Recent research reveals traces of copper on the stone surface. There are paralellels on the Continent where saintly relics were put upon the judicial stone. A royal stone is also a judicial stone.

@lizmacleod8903

Жыл бұрын

Bravo, my sentiments and theory exactly 💯

@Ranstone

Жыл бұрын

The only way it would be real would be if it was imported from Scone to the middle east thousands of years ago.

@notgadot

7 ай бұрын

@@Ranstone Scone is a food

Dan is a great historian and narrator. Always interested to learn from him he is so engaging. Great stuff dan and all of history hit! 🎯

@haraldtheyounger5504

Жыл бұрын

You want real history, by a really engaging personality, look up Scotland History Tours on KZread.

@dannygallaghermisc7593

Жыл бұрын

@@haraldtheyounger5504 looks good if the history of Scotland is a big interest. Its not of huge interest to me but can see why you would like it. Looked at his back catalogue and its not really my thing, lacks variety in my view but good on the bloke but we all have our own tastes and he is doing a good job!

It was a few hundred years after Edward death that the hammer of the Scots was inscribed on his tomb.

@jonathanweeks9925

Жыл бұрын

His nickname was Longshanks.

@jamesmaclennan4525

Жыл бұрын

and his tomb is the plainest in the Abbey..

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading about the time they opened his tomb. Apparently the King and his clothes were quite well preserved.

Thank you as ever

That stone belongs to the Judeo-Christian Heritage and rightly important during the British King’s coronation who is the head of the Anglican Church of England. Its significance is somewhat like that with the anointing of oil on a new spiritual head and steeped in Biblical tradition. Therefore no country should be using that stone to represent its sovereignty. Rulers during the age of conquest and invasion have been taking things and people from other places as spoils of war. And in this age of enlightenment, historical artifacts have been gradually returned to their places of origin. So I suppose that each nation must only use objects that are Inherently from their own land to represent their sovereignty.

There is another Coronation Stone in Kingston upon Thames. It is on display outside the Guildhall.

The coolest thing I learnt and the only thing that has ANY type of baring on my life was the fact the suffragettes held a campaign of terror. Interesting...very interesting.

@roonilwazlib3089

Жыл бұрын

Someone should have slapped them

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

Yes, some of them wanted to murder MPs too. I think they planned to do it by throwing bombs at their houses.

I fancied the music in the background ❤️

Anyone visiting Perth can see buildings made from the red sandstone produced by local quarries.

@willbee6785

Жыл бұрын

Same thoughts.

@dhoraray1310

Жыл бұрын

In Australia?

Cheers Dan, thoroughly enjoyed watching this. Oh and thank you for helping that shark at leap Beach, good job you were local. 😉👍

Inflection on “reportedly” is pitch perfect

The monarchy are loyal to no one but their own power and immense wealth…..Saturday is a sad day for the world.

The original stone of destiny in Celtic culture was a meteorite. It was described in oral tradition to ring like a bell , that would make sense. It was a semi large orb shape sort of in half . Edward never got the real one, they got the footstool which is sandstone. They have found the stone matches the the granite from the local quarry ( the footstool ) . The true stone was Hidden and may be forgotten or passed down and will be revealed at a certain time. That slab of stone is just a piece of sandstone, that has been proven .

@firebyrd437

Жыл бұрын

You can see the real stone in Alexander II seal, he's seated in it and it's carved intricately

@lizmacleod8903

Жыл бұрын

@@firebyrd437 Yes indeed, that's what I was mentioning. The stone of today is as the footstool which sat below the real meteorite. Legend has it that is hidden somewhere on isle of Skye . Others claim that the location was handed down generations then lost when Henry the 8th sacked the Monestries, then of course Cromwell. Makers you wonder. The real clinch was when the results came in from the testing of the sandstone block that it came from a sandstone quarry adjacent to Scone Palace. That would fit in with the footstool theory.

@tempestsagew5175

Жыл бұрын

The true stone is in the possession now of the rightful King of UK, he has all the documentation etc plus shows the actual stone and tells how he rightfully claimed it and let Charles know that he has it

@pauls3204

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't a meteorite it is basalt. Otherwise everything is correct.

@haraldtheyounger5504

Жыл бұрын

@@tempestsagew5175 "Rightful King of the UK", ha, ha, ha.

You know shit was tough all over, when people used big 'ol stones for pillows!!

1:54 I expect it will remain silent when Chucky plants his behind on it.

I actually seen the Stone of Scone circa 1988 in Westminster Abbey.

One good theory is that it was brought from Egypt by Scota, daughter of the dead Pharoah Akhnaten.😇

Notice all the biased language used here. - The puppet king was “not sufficiently loyal” to Edward. - Edward’s tour of Scotland specifically to steal &/or destroy all its land titles and historic paperwork - to erase its history - glossed as “taking the stone and other relics”. - Scotland, a country unified long before England was (which is why Cumbria & Northumbria are not in Domesday) is positioned spin medieval times as seeking independence (as if that were not its default) rather than shaking off an invasion.

I believe it came from Egypt because the Scottish people come from princess Scotia, who was an Egyptian princess who after the murder of her father. She married a Greek aristocrat and went to Scotland

Great piece on the Stone- My grandfather, Colin Glasgow was part of the student nationalist group who conspired to take back the Stone! I only heard his stories until later when it made it to media and now KZread. He had to abort his direct involvement on the eve of the mission as his American superior(he was American-Scot working in military/gov’t and schooling at Glasgow U) and MI5 was on his and my grandmothers ass for nationalist involvement and US told him to leave immediately. Staying would have jeopardized the mission so he kept attention on him instead of where the group was to be. It’s a source of great pride for me and fam knowing grandma & grandpa had a part in Scottish resistance 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@notgadot

7 ай бұрын

*jeopardiSed

I seem to remember reading that the stone had been chemically tested, and that is was similar to stone from the holy land, lending credence to the Jacobs pillow story.

@kimberleyjanemcnab5343

Жыл бұрын

It was tested, but was proven to be a stone similar to the local sand stone. There is also a local legend that the ancient Pictish kings were crowned in today’s Angus/Perthshire area and a local hill is named The Kings Seat.

@hedgiecc

Жыл бұрын

No sandstone in Palestine! The stone is definitely not from the ME

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

It has been tested, and the stone is native to Scotland. I think it was found to be from the area around Perth.

@calanm7880

Жыл бұрын

Beth El where Jacob is said slept to dream on a stone pillow- was a Israelite holy site depicted on a contemporary coin as a huge prehistoric standing stone (hence the backstory to explain). These standing stones seemed to be like ours, but got largely destroyed in religious reforms emanating from the Jerusalem Temple/ King class, that imposed a later very centralised monotheism. Samaritans kept some of the old holy sites going, but without the pillars. Just like we’ve got standing stones all over the place in Scotland - so we’ve far deeper and more ancient connection than them parading around with a Scottish stand stone block mined from Israel

@davidboult4143

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmccann9811 the question is, is it the real stone of scone, or has it been substituted? If it is very local stone, that doesn't even fit with legend of coming from Ireland, or being used earlier in other parts of Scotland for Scottish Kings. Some call it the "westminster stone", to distinguish it from the real, hidden, one.

There is a hill near Scone, part of the Sidlaws, law being old Scots for hill, that is named The Kings Seat. It is in an area known for sandstone, local legend is that it was in fact here that the Stone of Destiny came from as it was where the pagan Pictish kings were crowned. Perhaps this is the true story of this ancient stone? There is also several hill forts along this range of hills as well as a high number of carved Pictish stones and earth houses.

@pauls3204

Жыл бұрын

The real stone is black and carved generously , made either from black basalt or black granite. A king would not be crowned on a lump of sandstone

@kimberleyjanemcnab5343

Жыл бұрын

@@pauls3204 you do know that not all sandstone is pink right? The sandstone from the Sidlaws is DARK GREY and used for Pictish stones throughout perthshire and Angus. If this stone is good enough for those important stones I'm pretty sure that it would be good enough for the Pictish kings... as per the local legends and scientific evidence of the stone itself!

@robert-trading-as-Bob69

Жыл бұрын

The Catholic religion is well known for following the pagan Roman practice of absorbing local religions into itself, saying your god/gods/goddesses etc. are our gods etc. They followed this up by building temples on foreign holy places, and later cathedrals or churches over the temples. The original Stone of Scone was more likely a Pict object of veneration, made into a Christian symbol to get the pagan Pict/Scot peoples to convert to Catholicism.

I'm surprised the students weren't punished for yoinking the Stone, but then again I guess the English punishing someone for stealing priceless cultural artifacts would be a bit too glaringly hypocritical and would set an embarrassing precedent.

That was Great, Thank You!!

It is a rock.

In 501 Prince Fergal Mor was sent over by the Irish High King to be come the Prince of Dalriada and the scone was sent as a symbol of the High Kings authority. In order to keep Dalriada under the High King the Irish county of Antrim was added to Dalriada. That is according to ecclesiastic records

@CMenzy

Жыл бұрын

I heard but don't know if true that the stone that the princess Scota brohht to Ireland was split in 2 one half came here to Scotland and the other half still remains in Ireland as the Blanrny Stone is that true a legend can be?

@seanochroidheain6687

Жыл бұрын

@@CMenzy lol, dont know about that but ecclesiastic records mention the scone coming over from Ireland. Between the Vikings and the Normans destroying records the only reliable one are the ecclesiastic records. Too many people try to hide matters that they dont like.

@seanochroidheain6687

Жыл бұрын

@@CMenzy there was a second coronation scone in Ireland used in the crowning of a High King however Cromwell smashed it and scattered it during his 11 yr war in Ireland

@marynadononeill

Жыл бұрын

I also heard the stone was originally from the Irish.

@brucecollins641

Жыл бұрын

@@CMenzy you do know the nonsense tale o queen scotia is what it is........a mythical tale. the stone of destiny is scottish.

Must be the work of the Scotland Yard in Lobo's song 'Stoney'

What makes this stone special is that it was used by the Israelite patriarch Jacob, as a pillow, when he slept outside on the ground during the time he was running from his older brother Esau, who sought to kill him. As he slept, Jacob had a vision and God spoke to him. When he woke up the next morning, he consecrated the stone to God, and it became known as "Jacob's Pillow." The story is told in Genesis 28:10-22.

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

Well, if that is really the origin of the Stone of Destiny, then the one in the Coronation chair isn't the original. Because it's been tested, and the stone from which it is made comes from Scotland.

@barbaraa.walters8798

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@sandraroberts7406

Жыл бұрын

YES, WELL SPOKEN THE TRUTH.

@brucecollins641

2 ай бұрын

@georgewolfiii1170.......do you actually believe that nonsense.the stone is scottish made from local sandstone.

This is a very interesting story, but I find it very interesting that you made this video just a week after History Calling did the same. 😊😊 There is a referendum scheduled for this October (2023) for Scotland to once again be separate. It will be interesting to see if the agreement will be upheld should Scotland vote for separation.

@thostaylor

Жыл бұрын

It's funny how the two referenda questions were politically loaded. There should be a Scottish Referendum with the question 'Should Scotland leave the UK or remain? The EU referendum was not 'Should the UK be an independent country?'. In any event, Scotland should be given full tax-raising powers and the English subsidy should stop.

@rogink

Жыл бұрын

The Stone moving back to Westminster has been in the news for the past week or so - do keep up! And unless you've been living on another planet for the past year or so, you'll know another indyref is unlikely for at least 10 years.

@Alaois

Жыл бұрын

That is false information. The UK government has not granted any second referendum on independence.

@johnslaughter5475

Жыл бұрын

@@Alaois I just read up on this. I see that Ms. Sturgeon is working very hard to get a referendum approved. There's a narrow majority to maintain the status quo. The British Parliament is opposed. Their approval is required for a vote.

@evansquilt

Жыл бұрын

@@johnslaughter5475 - she's no longer First Minister.

The real stone of destiny can be seen on the seal of Alexander II. He's sitting on it with a sword in one hand and the orb in the other, and the stone is carved

@dhoraray1310

Жыл бұрын

Russian?

@taggymcshaggy6383

Жыл бұрын

@@dhoraray1310 what do you mean by 'russian' ?

The scots stole it from an irish settlement in Scotland,However Edward long shanks was related to Scottish royalty and jacob . Edward kept the faith.

But is it with jam first and cream on top or the other way round?

Just as traditionally important, will Charles take a sword and strike the London Stone?

@Lotto206

Жыл бұрын

Escalibur

@davidmccann9811

Жыл бұрын

No, with a change to tradition he's going to take a sword and strike any peasants that don't pledge allegiance to him.

Free Scotland!

What a strange, mysterious existence royal British authoritative and its commonwealth that laying on this legendary stone besides of atomic weapons technologies 10:22

Dan where did you get that black jacket? I want it

@evelynzlon9492

Жыл бұрын

I want those iron rings. I could fashion them into hoop earrings.

One thing which will be evident if its placed under the throne during the Corrination is that it shows contempt remains against the Scots. The whole reason it's used in Corrination was king Edward showing he was the overlord of Scotland I believe the stone should be present at Charles Corrination but not under the throne

@redred7289

Жыл бұрын

At least the English gave the stone back to Scotland in the 1990s. But the English still use the title "Prince of Wales". They won't give that back to Wales.

@CMenzy

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@@redred7289 totally agree but then I would ask the question who would be the prince of Wales if they handed it back to someone. It was a Scottish king who united the crowns of England and Scotland but I I recall he only visit Scotland again once after his corrination with the crown of England and he was the king of Scotland (james VI and I) so even he by sitting on top of the throne with the stone of destiny underneath it and only returning once shows his contempt of his own people. They royls thou I do love them and gave my oath to then when I served in military truly still lord over us mere mortals and I know that they do love the country of Scotland the dresly missed late queen Elizabeth II showd that and we ll I Cound wright paged about how I think she planned to be in Scotland at her end... If the coronation that His Majesty truly want to reform which he is doing then the stone of Scone / destiny /jacob would be present at the ceremony but NOT under the throne.in just a few days time we will know

@redred7289

Жыл бұрын

@@CMenzy the title of "Prince of Wales" would stop. It is not passed down like a hereditary title such as king of Scotland. It is appointed and was done so by king Charles to Prince William the day after Charles became king. Before Charles became "Prince of Wales" in 1958 the previous one was Edward VIII until 1936. This left a gap of more than 20 years without a "Prince of Wales"

According to the law of the United Kingdom, an item cannot be "stolen" from one who acquired the item by theft, the thief lacking even colorable title.

@evelynzlon9492

Жыл бұрын

I must admit that the British were good sports about refusing to press charges against the Scottish students who stole the stone. Everybody plundered it from everybody else so they retrieved the stone instead of whining about it. However the stone did break which is fortunate because this whole civilization's sins have reached to Heaven as predicted in the Bible. But even the Tower of Babel can be tripped. The broken footstool represents the inevitable earthquake which will facilitate their permanent destruction by military force.

The Stone of Destiny belongs at Scone Palace, Perth Scotland!

😊thanks

It’s an unremarkable piece of sandstone because it isn’t the Stone of Destiny.

@pauls3204

Жыл бұрын

Amazing how many thick people just believe the narrative isn't it. I suppose this is a good example of propaganda through the ages . It neither resembles the depiction on King Alexanders seal nor the historical writings . Its just a fake.

@evelynzlon9492

Жыл бұрын

That was deadpan.

It was discovered by forensic police in the front garden of Nicola Sturgeon

KZreadr count dankula has a fantastic video about youths who stole the stone, highly reccomend viewing

The stone will be on display in Perth city hall once the refurb work is finished.

I don't see how the taking of the stone by French speaking King Edward was a "powerful symbol of England's domain over Scotland". Under feudalism what mattered were the rights and entitlements of noble houses and dynasties. Edward was clearly expressing his own authority but certainly not "England's" because the concept of being English hardly existed and even the English language was only one among several (both in the north and south). Edward regarded himself as Norman not English and was more concerned about his continental possessions. I hate to hear modern propaganda being misrepresented as history.

@krim7

Жыл бұрын

And Edward was the King of what Kingdom? Oh yeah England.

@rogink

Жыл бұрын

@@krim7 And Ireland. And parts of France. So yeah, not just England.

@krim7

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@@rogink The Duchy of Aquitaine and the Lordship of Ireland were two lesser titles that the Kings of England possessed. The whole point of taking the stone was to exert English hegemony over the politics of Scotland.

@tygetygetyge

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You are being ridicilous

@eh1702

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@@krim7 England was a subsidiary kingdom of Edward’s realm: certainly he and his forbears considered it secondary to his French lands - and so did his descendants for generations. English people all seem completely unaware that Henry IV (born 1421) was the first Norman king of England who had English (by then nothing like pre-Norman English) as his first language.

It must be remembered that the King of England is also the King of Scotland. Using a Scottish coronation stone is a reminder of that.

@eh1702

Жыл бұрын

There is no monarch “of Scotland”. It is “of Scots”. It’s an important difference. The 1320 Declaration of Arbroath - which was cited and acted upon in 1688/9 - reserves the rights of Scots to sack monarchs.

@Valhalla88888

Жыл бұрын

Not before 1603 when the King of Scots took the English throne ❤

@countofdownable

Жыл бұрын

​@@eh1702 Descended from King James VI of Scotland via his daughter Elizabeth Stuart of Bohemia.

@mattr543

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@@Valhalla88888 He was invited to sit on the English throne. He didn't take anything. Please don't distort history.

@baldy3405

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Still it was a scotch man on the English throne, funny that as the English tried for hundreds of years and failed.

It's from Scone Palace in Perth, Scotland.

The Scottish Royal Family is in Liechtenstein!

I love cream and strawberry jam with scone.

Excellent video. Now, The King of Scotland James Vi became the King of England and joined the two nations eventually becoming the UK. So there's nothing "controversial" about any of it.

@eh1702

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The two nations continued to have their own parliaments for a century- and indeed England waged economic war in Scotland for a lit of that time.

@marythomson8537

Жыл бұрын

There was or is no king of Scotland.Monarchs are crowned king/queen of scots.The people have the right to remove monarchs unlike the people in England.

@countofdownable

Жыл бұрын

​@Mary Thomson Parliament can remove a Monarch. It removed Charles I and James II & VII.

@andrewcorrell5000

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, King Edward I "stole" this Stone in his attempt to take over Scotland and centuries later, King James VI of Scotland, also his descendant, took over the throne in England and sat on the Stone! Scotland took over England literally! History is full of ironies!!

@stuartkelly3106

Жыл бұрын

You are incorrect the UK did not become the UK until 1801

It was The Stone of Scone when i saw it in Westminster Abbey.

1:48 I'd say that protuberance would illicit quite a few groans if sat upon....

The stone is 100% symbolic. Imagine a small sea shell that Jesus may have carried in his pocket. It is interesting and may have historic value but has no power or real purpose. True spiritual enlightenment and power doesn't require any idols, trinkets or stones. In fact they hinder it.

It came out of the Arch of the covenant! Brought aback from Solomon's temple. By the Nights Templars

Incredible how bent a stone can be

Alba go bragh!🇺🇲🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇲

There's a really good movie about the Stone of Destiny heist. Also it's been parodied by Sir Terry Pratchett in The Fifth Elephant where Sam Vime needed to find the stolen Scone of Stone baked (Yes baked) by the 1st king of the Dwarves. Impressions of his butt cheeks can be seen on it even 2000 years on.

In 1603 James VI of Scotland INHERITED England and was crowned James I of England as well. To this day ALL crowned monarchs of Great Britain are Scottish monarchs first and foremost. Scotland is the first of the 3 Lions and the seat of the monarchy should be returned to Scotland along with the Stone. Note: The Keepers of the real Stone of Destiny will reveal it when Scotland recovers its primacy de facto.

Coronation Street wouldn’t exist without this rock

I just watched the stone begin its journey to Westminster, and wondered why kings swear onir.

Why should people resent the Scottish stone of destiny.?

@eh1702

Жыл бұрын

The idea was subjection. Under the arse of the King of England.

It's a fake piece of Scone sandstone. The McDonald's of the isles offered the real one to James 4th for the earldom of Ross.

@lindsaymcewan3759

Жыл бұрын

As Robert the Bruce gave his friend Angus og Lord of the Isles the stone to protect on his death bed because his son was very young and with his death it lead to the second war of independence

These little golden book nursery rimes and children’s tales are still belted home by so called adults.

This is just too Funny . 🤣

My Father and Grandfather took me to see the "Stone" when I was about 10 years old at a cottage in Argyll. It was black and more of an oval shape. I remember that it also had very intricate carvings on it. To cut a long story short, that is not the real Stone of Destiny.

In 1296, King Edward stole the Stone of Scone, leaving Scotland without a proper throne for it's now vacant crown, but a young girl by the name of Margaret, granddaughter of Alexander the III. went strolling barefoot on a small quiet unassuming beach just north of Cullen, Scotland, bent to hands and knees and prayed for assistance for Scottish people. The Hecti - High Priest; even though now gone with the magical island heard Maiden Margarets prayers and answered her prayer. As Margaret walked on the beach following the waves too and fro and fro and too. she found a vile among the lapping waves at her toes and in it a magical oil squeezed from the "Second Stone of Scone", still on the instinct island beneath the sea. Margaret taste the oil from the vile and had a vision that this oil will anoint every king and queen of England until the oil touches "a" women'King - Alizabittah of Great and abundant years, anointing her breast, mind and wrist of "doing" which in turn will bring about the prophecy of the Hecti - High Priest and bring about the end the British monarchy forever. Returning Scotland back to the Scottish people. Therefore answering Maiden Margarets prayer.

I heard it was just a chair with a big stone under it not so even plated like this one in the film and actually it was not possible to sit on it because of its shape

I'm interested to know how many people actually watched his coronation out of adoration or reverence as apposed to malice and discontent.

Let's get something straight, it was stolen by a tyrant so how can it be stolen back if it is not your's in the first place. It should have returned a long time before it was .NO STRINGS ATTACHED . My hope is when long shanks sat on it he got hemorrhoids.🖕

I enjoyed(proudly) the film about the students. I’ve always wondered why Scotland is not Free. I know they voted it so but that’s politics and maybe that’s the reason all this time. We have James to blame.

Fine history over a chunk of quarried sandstone of which is very soft and easy to carve. As an American what piffle.

In Edward’s time and for two centuries after, England was rather the subsidiary realm of kings who considered themselves French, spoke French and largely lived in France. Henry VI, born in 1421, was the first of them raised with English as his first language. Few of his forbears even grew up in England. Very disappointed, too, in this papering over Scotland as an independent nation before and after the theft of this stone (whatever it is.). It was rather England than Scotland that was the subsidiary realm of foreign dynasties. Lots and lots of sly verbiage positioning Scotland’s aggressive neighbour as if it were an overlordship tidying up its possession: and referring to Scotland as if it was always a slightly awkward piece of a British state that was seeking independence.

@jamesmaclennan4525

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and let us not neglect the fact that by right of succession the King of Scotland absorbed England into his realm in 1603 not the other way around. The Scottish crown has existed for longer than the English one and should be given Primacy.

Every English and British King…really!!!

@johnbrereton5229

Жыл бұрын

Yes really, so why do you dispute this?

@davidevans3227

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​@@johnbrereton5229 he says at the start 'with one or two exceptions'

@johnbrereton5229

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@@davidevans3227 Yes I watched the video and am therefore fully aware of its contents. However, I was replying to Catherine's comment.

@davidevans3227

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@@johnbrereton5229 hi, sorry i was thinking my comment to you might have come across wrong.. ..just thought you may be interested, i didn't mean it as trying to make you wrong or anything.. i was thinking.. the Scottish could have the stone back and i wouldn't mind if they had a nice one from wales (Wales is where i yam now) i'm sure we could find them one lol.. they had some for Stonehenge.. 🙂

@johnbrereton5229

Жыл бұрын

@@davidevans3227 Not to worry David, no offence taken. However, the Scots do have their stone back, it only came down for the Coronation. Though as I commented earlier, there's already an English coronation stone in Kingston on Thames lying unceremoniously in the grounds of the council offices. It was used by many English Kings from Æthelstan in 925 onwards.

English people always showing off the power Over the Scott.. you can't keep your hands off from our rock? It's belong to the Scottish people forever. Free Scotland.

@brianbrian1769

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It's Scot son. Not Scott. It's Scotland not Scottland. Scott is a boys name.

@petegarnett7731

Жыл бұрын

@@brianbrian1769 And for those who make even worse errors SCOTCH is a drink not a nationality.

Has no one realized it's a rock and we should focus out energies on our collapsing societies?

@evelynzlon9492

Жыл бұрын

LOL

How did they stick the stone back together?

@forbesmeek6304

8 ай бұрын

Gorilla glue😂 there was another stone in a pub in Glasgows Woodlands Road not far from the yard of the stonemason who made a few. Might be a Bertie Gray? His yard was in Sauchiehall Street.