Salt is a generic term and describes the product of neutralising an acid by an alkali. The salt that is often cited in the criticism of cleaners is sodium chloride (used on chips and roads).....as this provides an electrolyte for galvanic corrosion The muc off product may well not contain sodium chloride but the sodium salt of a benign component. So we should be careful to not confuse generic names with specific chemical compounds

@nbandpinportugal

4 жыл бұрын

According to the video and, apparently, MUC Off, the sodium salt in the product is not just benign it has anti corrosion properties. But we still don't know what it is.

This is really high quality journalism! This is a truly Full Fillingham! :-)

Long time listener. Today I subscribed. Informative, open, honest and full of integrity

Hi Stuart! Good news on the great 'salt' debate! & thanks for clearing it up! Your determination to get an answer for so many of us speaks volumes for your character, and is why so many of us enjoy your videos. You Sir, are a star!

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Simon!

@rumien1383

5 жыл бұрын

I’ll second that !

@arrakis41

5 жыл бұрын

Same from me too

@nicktaylor8767

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, your determination to get to the bottom of this to a mutual end with Alex at "Muc off" was handled with professional courtesy and cleared the the matter up for all concerned. 🤝👏

@markokeeffe6054

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree Simon and since I purchased muc off a couple of days ago, for the first time, I was getting concerned at the start of the video. I can now use the product without any concerns

Brilliant as usual Stuart, thank you for all your hard work and research. In these days of ‘misinformation’ from whatever source(s), your honesty and clarity of information is so welcome! Ride safe, Chris

Thanks for giving power back to the consumers. Many of us drift through life accepting what we are told, thankfully it's people like you that keep these companies on their toes

This isn't real journalism! It's honest, reflective and can be relied on as genuinely useful to all parties. Mainstream media can only dream of attaining this standard. Highly impressive stuff Stuart. Many thanks indeed.

I’ve always used Jizer as a degreaser since the 70’s and my bikes have never shown any signs of corrosion- My Z1000 which I’ve had since new and is now 15 years old is pristine and unmarked with zero corrosion plus buying a 5 litre Can is considerably cheaper than using products like muc-off- but hey it’s a free world when it comes to cleaning products.

Thank you Stuart for this comprehensive update - As you’ve stated, it would only have been a matter of time before someone else would have raised the Muc.-Off salt issue that your diligent research identified. On the basis of all your good work, l’m totally reassured in continuing to use Muc-Off products. Like the rest of your community l am very grateful for your efforts as ever to keep us informed and updated on the best care of our ‘pride and joys’. I have pencilled the Bonnie for the ‘Full Fillingham’ on Sunday morning! Top man.

Hi Stuart, How about a long term corrosion test. Place a bike aluminium part , in a bath of Muc off cleaner, then check it every month for salt corrosion?

This is one of the best videos you've made, Stuart, and for the first time I write to you. The video demonstrates again your passion and your commitment, and all that is a benefit to us. Plus, it unveils also all the care you apply in your researches, and it's really good to know how much you care about your viewers. Thanks again for that. I have a simple question for you: as simple as the one you were trying to ask to muc-off. Will you continue using muc-off cleaner or not, after you discovered that there's salt in that stuff, but it's "good" salt? Thanks Alessandro

That's a relief, I've just purchased 2x5L of Muc Off. Thank you for your hard work in getting to the bottom of this issue. Since watching your original "Full Fillingham" video, which is incredibly easy to find by the way, my bike always gets comments about how clean and shiny it is. It gets ridden regularly in all weathers, but takes little time and effort to regain its sheen thanks to your advice. Keep it up Sir, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Paul!

Solid research and honorable behavior on your part, Stuart. Well done!

Sounds like MUC OFF has terrible customer service. That's reason enough to avoid any company.

Wow! Mr. Fillingham, you're integrity and dedication to showing and recommending the best products for your viewers is very commendable indeed! And all this whilst not dissing out any competitors makes it all the more admirable. Meanwhile, those histories of some corrosion observed on bikes could have been caused from insufficient or inefficient cleaning up after using the cleaning agent. I've seen this happen in my line of work. Keep the posts coming! And as a newly proud owner of T120, I've enjoyed every video of yours on the same and have successfully used your techniques and advice to good effect. Look forward to more...

Thanks for that video on mukoff Stuart. Iv recently bought some pink coloured mukoff but as yet not used any. So will now give it a try. Good channel keep up the good work Dave

Thank you for your diligence and persistence on our behalf, like others I will now go back and use the Muc-off I chucked in the back of the cupboard.

Hi Stuart! I hope your headache has passed:-) It was pure pleasure listening to your video! I am full of admiration of your stamina and sense of fairness towards your viewers. Alex at MucOff must have had a slight headache as well, caused by not coming up front with you from the very beginning of your contact. He now got his hands full in implementing an improved internal communications policy/process 😅 All the best to you and hope you have got some more sleep by now👍🏍💨💨

Utilizing of Sodium Nitrite as Inhibitor for Protection of Carbon Steel in Salt Solution. Preventing corrosive action induced by the presence of chlorine in utility water used as a coolant in cooling towers is a challenging task. ... It was selected a typical industrial chloride solution at a concentration of 250 ppm NaCl.

Thank you, Stuart - excellent work on all your subscribers behalf - I'm now off to give my T120 the Full Fillingham!!

Well done Stuart, as always, your credibility is sound. Thanks for taking the time and effort to clear this up.

Thanks Stuart. Phew I have just bought 2 x 5L containers! They could have avoided this by declaring "anti-corrosion Sodium salts" or similar on the label. Keep up the good work.

Good work Stuart! I now have confidence in MuckOff being safe to use. I wish U a good night sleep. Don't forget to take the Bobber for a spin now and then.

First of all another great, "from the heart" video, Stuart. Back in the day, nineteen hundred and frozen to death when I first worked on the railway we used a very thin detergent called 'Tepol' for washing floors walls etc. Later i learned that washing up liquid manufacturers used a similar detergent to which they added perfumes and salt. The salt made it thicker and housewives thought, quite wrongly, the thicker the liquid the higher the quality. When my uncle had heart trouble his GP told his wife to thoroughly rinse the washing up so as to remove residual salt. Indeed, if I am offered a cup of tea that has been drained and not rinsed I can taste salt on the rim as I drink. In the mid sixties a car shampoo company carried out research that showed cars washed in washing up liquid suffered severe rusting due to particles of salt that penetrated the somewhat porous paint finishes that where common at the time. I fully accept your explanation as to what MUC OFF say regarding the type of salt and their reason for adding it. All that said, I find all these bike wash solutions good at removing dust and light dirt but useless at removing oil or grease no matter how light. Chain lube fling on the back of the bike and rear wheel generally needs a degreaser. I use Paraffin on a rag, WD40, and light wash with supermarket liquid detergent followed by a thorough rinse. The last being the most important .

Wow! Respect! We couldn't persuade you to become PM could we? Good to see the Bobber in the old footage. It does look a class act.

Thank you, Stuart, for your rigorous and painstaking research on our behalves. Much appreciated 👍

We search for easy, definitive answers but after 67 years I have learned that they are very rarely (if ever) found. Information is plentiful yet it seems to complicate our search for absolutes. Thanks again Mr. Fillingham.

Thanks for the research and reporting. Respect your frankness!

Thanks Stuart, I've had my doubts for sometime about using Muc Off, but continued to use it anyway! Thanks for your reassurance and saving me frying my brains with research. Great work and tenacity! I shall be that little bit happier cleaning my bike next time.

Thanks for the clarification re salt. Only problem is if bike manufacturers can say a warranty is void by using this type of cleaner due to salt then the type salt whether good or bad is moot

To remove road salt from your bike you just need to use cold water and plenty of it in key areas such as wheels and break calliper's. Then dry the bike afterwards.

Stuart, thank you for you thorough investigation. I am sure you have reassurred us all. A deerstalker hat, magnifying glass and pipe are on the way!

Absolutely top notch and brilliantly informative as always Stuart, can you do a cleaning video on the Himalayan please 😃👍🏻

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

unfortunately I dont have a Himalayan Mark, but if you would like to buy me one...…..

Thanks for clearing that up, Stuart, your hard work is much appreciated. All the best, Andy 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Transparency has always been a trait I follow your channel for. Thanks for sharing!

Admire your tenacity uncle Stuart ,and I will now not bin all my Mucoff Products .Well done that man.

Thanks Stuart, ive only just started using Muckoff, after what you have told me ,i will continue, i didn`t use it as an end result, i washed my bike after Muckoff with a more gentle alkaline wash because of all the chrome, and dried it off with a cheap leaf blower.

Brilliant jounalism, subbed on the basis of this video alone. I shall now go through some of your other videos. Really excellent work.

Now that is true dedication Stuart. A massive thanks from everyone who was left wondering to get rid or not. Looks like you’ll be able to use what you have left after all 👍🏻 despite your headache I hope you enjoyed your well deserved break.

Excellent, diligent, honest and valuable research, Stuart. Nice work, thank you.

Well done Stuart.... That means the 3ltrs I have doesn't join the rest of the 'outcasts' on the garage shelf of doom. Cant help thinking Muc Off owed you better treatment and less offsication in the exchange, when you consider how much the benefitted from your endorsement.

Thank you very much for your above and beyond due diligent's on our behave I for one appreciate very much and applaud your integrity.

So refreshing to see and hear such honesty. If only we had MPs like you. Have you considered a career in politics. Another great informative video. Keep up the great work. Thank you.

Many thanks for your efforts. I was one who said i still have 9 litres of MO in my garage. So i for one feel reassured as a trusted motorcyclist advisor. I may use the MO and consider changing to the other Silkolene product later. Thanks.

Silkolene products are great, and I'm using Wash Off and Pro Prep, as well as Bilt Hamber Surfex HD and Hydra Wax, and I follow the Fillingham method. It gives great results.

I use Fenwicks' Bicycle cleaner, which cleans my bicycles perfectly. It also does a rather gentle job and has been recommended for motorcycles. I wonder if that contains salt?

Great stuff thank you. I could go on why we use salt in our water softeners that feed the boilers to help prevent an acid build up in the condensate but ... you covered that.

Honest video, no one can ask for more than that! Keep up the good work 👍🏻

Thanks for this. You have done the research. You have helped me with a few choices that I have made and that is a real compliment. Keep up the good work.

Thank you Stuart for this video you are indeed a man of inspiration and integrity..... the reason I watch your channel..... hope your head is ok now.... have a well earned rest from the computer...... many regards Fred ..... ps I for one appreciate what you do for the bike community !

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Fred!

Hmm, some of that does still sound like "the original product didn't contain salt of any description but in order to sell this product globally and make more money we have have now added" safe" salt" on muc offs part. Thanks for being persistent and managing to clarify things, Stuart. I wonder if muc off would have volunteered the salt ingredient information had they not been pushed? Things don't always get bigger for the better in my book. Especially in business. There are nearly always corners that get cut and reductions in quality materials. Again, hats off to you Stuart for clearing it up. But even though muc off have come clean(no pun intended!) this revelation won't have done muc offs public relations/advertising a lot of good. No one likes to feel misled or conned.

@marcstephens6755

5 жыл бұрын

from what I gather is for the global market they had to remove some ingredients due to some market restrictions and the salt was the alternative to comply with the global market and pass all restrictions.

Good news, I'm a big fab of Muc-Off and glad I dont have to take down the review I made of it :) Thanks for your thorough investigation!

Nicely done Stuart; a well-researched and excellent explanation of the situation.

WOW, Stuart you really go the extra mile. Thank you so much for your videos, they're all so worth watching.

🤣 absolutely brilliant. I feel that my bike is in safe hands with your recommendations Stuart. Thank you for your services!

Absolutely impressed with you and this channel so many you tubers claim transparency but at the end of the day are just sponsored puppets and would never go to the lengths you have in contacting a manufacturer for confirmation about their product just to make a video thank you for not selling out or taking the easy route.... Real honesty is so much needed now more than ever and we're all better for you having done so we all spend to some of us a great sum of money and don't want to use products someone is recommending only to find out they're damaging

Phew. I’ll keep my five litres then. Cheers for clearing that up Stuart

Thanks for your perseverance and tenacity Stuart. I wish you a good nights sleep 🛏 💤

Excellent piece of journalism! Top job Stuart.

Very well done! Excellent research, effort and information, much appreciated.

Very informative, thank you Stuart - glad your brain didn’t leak!

Thank you very much for all your hard work, Stuart.

A very mind taxing video Mr Fillingham! Very well explained in a clear authoterian way, well done sir, alot more will be sold no doubt!

Thank you Stuart, an excellent piece of informative journalism😃👍

Great video. There is a MUC OFF United States. I will use this product because I trust you. Research can be frustrating and difficult, but you did not give up. Thank You.

Yea the salt factor was mentioned by the controversial 'matt' who runs the workshop channel a while back. Love that cb 175 at the start. Good work producing this informative piece.

Nice one Stuart, great work getting to the bottom of the muc-off quandary, the problem I have is when you use old video footage and I see that little cb175 in the car park!! Then checking my bank account to see if I can afford one! Its a beaut...

In a world filled with hype, "fake news", "alternative facts" tRumpisms and out and out deceit, this is an astonishing video. It is only those dedicated to truth, fact, evidence and hard journalism that protect us lazy sods from those who would deceive us. In that spirit, I thank you, good warrior.

really useful - appriciate the time and effort you've put into this topic Stuart - thank you :-)

Thank you for pointing that out as clearly as possible.

Thank you for the clarification. I believe you.

Nice one Stuart ....just bought two litres...very timely thanks for your 😓 hard work, now get some sleep!! All the best to you.

Well anyway you did a good job on getting that info. for us. i my self did not know there was salt bike or car wash products . So it is good to know this .thank you so much for all your work and taking the time to do it. GOD bless you! Now get sum rest.

might have to give the product a try as I have used all sorts over 45 years. I did use grez off from Louis motorcycle store and it left white stains on the black engine cases on my explorer and the nice matt finish on the 8 month old T120. Matt finish was ruined so had to polish with autosol so now have shiny cases which I wanted to avoid and been ploishing engine cases for 40+ years on Triumphs

I stopped using Muc-Off and started using Silkolene based on your recommendation. As you said in your earlier video, I also think Silkolene possibly does a better job - so thanks for your advice 👍

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

No Problem sir!

3:33 unfortunate lad in a Hull City kit. Feel sorry for him. Great video. ll use my tub of Muc-Off on my new machine.

First class content sir , you should applauded for your diligence.

Good man , used in past and literally just picked up a big bottle that was on sale up here in Tesco ( in bulk ) was always wondering if it was good for the HD . Good man 👊🏻👍🏼👍🏼

Interesting... FYI, I've been using washing up liquid (diluted in hot water) to clean my push-bikes (plus de-greaser products) for 25 years. My bikes have been trashed in all weathers, 52 weeks a year. The last stage of cleaning has always been a very thorough rinse with clean water, followed by an overspray of GT85 (or similar), and towel dry-off. I have never noticed a corrosion problem! I'm using the same process with my (new to it) motorbikes. Maybe I should change my method (I've bought some silcolene to try out).

@Team-fabulous

5 жыл бұрын

Me too, since iv been involved with motorcycles iv used washing up liquid and always well rince the bike, iv yet to see a bike rust to bits in front of me, washing up liquid is great for degreasing and shifting dirt however I can see people's concerns with regard to salt. The secret is to rince and rince well......

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

No you wont see the corrosion David because it will be in the inaccessible areas, inside frame tubes etc, we have been over this so many times in different videos as have other You Tubers, As well as various scientific studies, industry reports the list goes on.... Basic physics, Chemistry and Common sense really!

@Team-fabulous

5 жыл бұрын

@@stuartfillingham agreed

I found Muc off just to be like a watered down Traffic Film remover. Hence why you can get dry while lines when not washed off properly. Personally, i wouldn't want too much of TFR or Muc off near alloy my motorbike parts. This is just my personal thoughts on the subject.

I looked up integrity in the dictionary and it said Fillingham.

Does this mean that the people who had BMW claims rejected can reclaim on with new evidence I doubt it.

Amazing, I'm out of words to comment!!. Keep up the awesome work. 👍

That's a relief. Thank you Stuart!

Thanks for doing what you did! Not many people would go the exter

Great video with some lovely motorcycles! A good balanced presentation which should reassure your viewers . The unintended consequences of environmental legislation are having effect everywhere and must be a minefield for manufacturers.

Muc off produce many cleaners for different applications , caravan cleaners, motorcycle cleaners and bicycle cleaners for example , they are exactly the same product in each case just labeled differently, I went on their website and you can see they have to produce a formulation certificate for each product, all you have to do is compare the certificates . The salts they use are (I believe ) the same used in de icers along with other chemicals for cars which do in fact inhibit corrosion so the science tells me ( yes I did a bit of research , and it's out there for people to find , I'm not a scientist but I can read LOL ) Don't be fooled into thinking MUC off products that say " motorcycle cleaner " on the bottle are any different to anything else they sell . BMW warranty claim in my opinion should have been honored, but that is BMW and some of their owners for you. No doubt BMW sell a specific cleaner for there bikes that is exactly the same or similar to MUC off but use the fact that MUC off has been used to get out of a warranty claim for poor quality . At the end of the day the cleaner is washed off along with the dirt and if done properly shouldn't be present afterwards .

I know what it's like to lose sleep over such turmoil and sympathise. The to and fro with muc-off though hasn't really helped with the BMW angle? Are BMW being deliberately obstructive or do they have cause to believe that they are justified in denying corrosion claims due to the use of muc-off? Anyway, thanks for your transparency and integrity.

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

Im not sure if its still and ongoing situation Ste, my comment was just based on some anecdotal accounts going around a couple of years ago.

Phew!! I Must have gallons of Muck off in the shed as I'd temporarily stopped using it and didn't look forward to explaining to my wife why it wasn't being used. A story with a happy ending. Cheers Keith

How does any of this explain BMW's stance? You'd have to think they established their facts before claiming a product was harmful and leaving themselves open to possible legal action?

@johnDukemaster

5 жыл бұрын

I understand your question, but maybe you should ask BMW? Could be interesting! :-)

@stuartfillingham

5 жыл бұрын

BMW paint work is, or at least was, the worst in the Industry Pete, its always been their Achilles heal. I think the anecdotes related more to individual dealerships than BMW itself.

Thanks for clearing that up. another great video

I was indeed wondering why you have stopped using muc off in the last cleaning vid. I still have over 4l of concentrate on the shelves, good to know I can still safely use this. Thanks again for taking care of business 👌

Thank you Stuart for your efforts. Could you take over negotiations on Brexit!

I can’t believe I’ve just watched a 17 min vid on salt use in bike cleaning products! Great work Stuart, you’re like a dog with a bone!

I've been using the pink stuff from poundland, now thinking that it's full of sort!!

A cleansing process...no pun intended. Have a good kip tonight!

Great video Stuart. Well explained. I have got the GT Royal Enfield and well pleased with it. Ride safe. Ian.

Good stuff, Stuart. I appreciate what you do mate..

Put my mind at rest. Thanks for all your efforts.

So any BMW owner should now go back to their dealer and insist the manufacturer honour the warranty.Citing MUC -OFF's assurances. We are , yet again, the Piggy in the middle, when it comes to manufacturers disallowing warranty claims against them.Not sure which are worse. Insurance companies or Manufacturers.