"Show me on the doll where the Tribal decks hurt you."

@roguewookiee

4 ай бұрын

*points to his heart*

@lechampion2349

3 ай бұрын

You can’t rate a deck D just because it’s tribal

@ML-yn9yu

4 күн бұрын

Facts. I'd love to see one of their decks take on a fully-powered Ur-dragon deck I'd bet they'd lose in 0 seconds flat.

Isshins my first commander since coming back from a 8 year hiatus. He’s a badass.

@timstiteler4817

4 ай бұрын

Lol I feel you bro. I bought a bunch of attacks trigger cards and now I have 4 different decks for him. Surprisingly versatile

@MageSkeleton

4 ай бұрын

every time i sat down to play a "creatures matter" deck it always got "blown up" and everyone seemed to always somehow have a board wipe of some kind when they needed it. Not even Winota could operate. But, when i'm playing a combo deck and there's a whole other player playing a "creatures matter" deck suddenly no one has any board wipes as the "creatures matter" deck dominates the table.

@user-ww3pd2rf1b

4 ай бұрын

Hey just been working on a deck with him, and got something going I haven't really seen other places. So hear me out and tell me what you think. Isshin Equipment Voltron prioritizing assault suit, so he can trigger all the equipment permanents you control on him for when he attacks, or another creature you have equipment with an assault suit. On top of that you goad him so he has to attack each combat regardless of another player controlling him. You don't get your double triggers with it, but you get to trigger your equipment literally on everyone's turn.

@timstiteler4817

4 ай бұрын

@@user-ww3pd2rf1b that's the type of shenanigans we like

@dispozablehero9829

3 ай бұрын

@@user-ww3pd2rf1b if an opponent controls him wouldn't they then get the triggers from the attachments on him?

As an avid Prosper player ill tell you now that he isnt respected enough. A at least: card advantage, ramp, significant keyword in deathtouch and 4 toughnes makes him a good blocker as well, and all at 4 mana. Cards good. Also going to reiterate that treasures are broken and wizards loves it. From a Prosper player, thanks wotc

I disagree with a lot of these placements. My main gripe is that just because its a tribal commander doesn't mean you only have to run that tribe in your deck. For instance in my gishath deck, i have a way to make a few 4/4 angels on every turn as well as created flying dinosaurs. Stack the top couple cards of the deck with your best dinosaurs and swing in, tutor for teferris protection the same turn or the turn before swinging in and you can nearly or win the game the next turn.

@anthonyb.7340

4 ай бұрын

Bro flying dinos?! Awesome how?

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

So we’re playing jank…

@isaacholstein6530

4 ай бұрын

@@anthonyb.7340 ●Concerted effort and any flying creature you control ●Odric and a flying creature you control ●Luminous broodmoth ●Eldrazi monument ●Dinosaurs on a spaceship

@anthonyb.7340

4 ай бұрын

@@isaacholstein6530 i had to look that last one up just to make sure its a real card.... dinosaurs on a sapceship?

@isaacholstein6530

4 ай бұрын

@@anthonyb.7340 IKR!! Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

People calling Miirym "Miriam" like he's some Polish grandmother with outstanding perogies always cracks me up.

Krenko and urdragon being that low is absolutely wild.

@aidendaley9065

4 ай бұрын

Path to exile at ur dragon goes brrr

@vfreeman3188

4 ай бұрын

​@@aidendaley9065I mean I'm less mad if you path it instead of swords.

@Evilschlitz

4 ай бұрын

But he still makes every dragon cheaper. That's why i would put him bit higher

@timothymiller4475

3 ай бұрын

Krenko and ur dragon is easily dealt with the cheapest interaction your wallet can afford. In krenkos case if he never reaches the table you don't have a deck. And there are better dragon commanders the ur dragon.

Prosper is amazing. It is an A I don’t even play him but a person in my play group does and the deck is optimized and goes crazy

@thriftypsgr

4 ай бұрын

52:56 actually Korvold is the A and prosper is a B

I consistently win with Krenko on around turn 3-5. I run a very competitive list and there is a lot of room for variance but ranking it D is absolutely insane.

@davidzamora8342

4 ай бұрын

It’s still only mono red. On a table with most likely three other blue decks running low mana interaction your not doing nothing. Stop lol

@kruegs3362

4 ай бұрын

Blue farm laughs at Krenko. You have potential, but only when the board doesn't interact with you. And at that point, congrats at being good at playing with yourself 😂

@anthonyb.7340

4 ай бұрын

Um who are you playing? That is so easy to counter, ineract to, or board wipe.

@vfreeman3188

4 ай бұрын

​@@kruegs3362You're seriously comparing a s tier cEDH commander deck to Krenko with that cringy profile pic? Your counter magic is cute in all but you are going to need the react with other players and if that game goes long you're going to learn the hard way that goblin tribal doesn't need the commander to win unlike your deck.

@Hfsm33

4 ай бұрын

@@vfreeman3188 He's replying to OP who said he runs a "very competitive list" so why wouldn't he compare it to his s tier cedh deck? If you claim your deck is super competitive don't be surprised people bring out the big guns lol

I've been waiting for a video like this. Very cool =) A lot of people in Brazil watch your channel, congratz bro.

As a Krenko Goblin player I am sad to see Krenko to be at a low ranker I just love how simple he works can be build casual or high powered.

@kylethompson7641

4 ай бұрын

I agree. When krenko is on board, you need to remove him or board wipe or the game us over in 4-5 turns. That's not a D tier ability.

@Corve

4 ай бұрын

Take some solace in the knowledge that they got Krenko's ranking COMPLETELY WRONG

@davidzamora8342

4 ай бұрын

On a table with three other most likely blue decks running cheap interaction it’s easy to rank a moon red creature based strategy low. Krenko is good but definitely not top or even near.

@mplantart

4 ай бұрын

@@davidzamora8342 so youre saying you need 3 other blue players to team up to stop krenko, proving how powerful krenko is lol good job

@nevaendingjoker5449

3 ай бұрын

I think it's more so that it's mono red, and once stopped it runs out of steam. Doesn't mean krenko isn't powerful, but if you remove him most likely you are out of the game unless you got sac outlets to make red mana or treasures. @@kylethompson7641

Edgar Markov in C tier is insane

@sinisterflex0692

5 күн бұрын

Exactly. Our group doesn’t even play him anymore because they’ve never lost with him

The Lathril deck straight out of the box is super powerful. I did some of the normal upgrades like triumph of the hordes and upgraded the mana base, but I think I probably swapped like 5 or 6 cards. After playing a couple games I decided to swap in some cards to make it less optimized because it was so OP. Now it's pretty fun to play with, but before it was too fast.

Go-shintai being that low is just wild to me, I love him as a commander

Wow crazy you guys are featuring 5 commanders I play in EDH😈👍🏼👍🏼💯

I'm feeling more motivated than ever to put together a Mirrym deck, that's what I'm taking away from this video lol

@northernkiwi

4 ай бұрын

I love my Miirym deck

gitshath was my first ever deck and i took it from you lol i modified before i bought it. it is now a very power full deck with the new ixialan and some "pricier picks"

With jodah you can put a lot of these guys in there I added random things to it and it still works

Ranking every tribal so low is just delusional.

@johnpratts2856

4 ай бұрын

They clearly have a bias.

@jessesandburg

4 ай бұрын

Clearly. These tribal commanders are bonkers and have tons of support.

@timothymiller4475

3 ай бұрын

And yet compared to other commanders they come up short. Tribal is not the most efficient even among casuals.

@johnpratts2856

3 ай бұрын

@@timothymiller4475 This makes sense. Having a tribal deck limits you, so to speak.

I promise that soon you guys will be adding the ixalan gods to the list. The red and white ones especially are wild once they come online

Can't wait to try out atrexa the unifier as a commander

I would agree with most of these aside from Lathril, miirym, and Prosper. Well all know Lathril and Miirym are in A and are lightning rods for a reason. Now an argument can be made prosper should be on S but minimum A.

As a Miirym Player. I believe that Old Gnawbone and The green token doublers make him broken.

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

No astral dragon and cursed mirror is what makes Mirym broken.

I am building an all pretty art Jodah the unifier!!!! I love the card and am soo excited to see new cards to add and swap lol

@louiskemner3216

4 ай бұрын

I recently made a midrange goodstuff Jodah deck. It’s great

@meyeneetuks4680

3 ай бұрын

Jodah gotta be 1 of the silliest cards printed. Just throw in Legend creatures, it does good. Throw in Lgnd creatures that care about other Legendary permanents? Game over

@ninjasasin117

3 ай бұрын

@meyeneetuks4680 absolutely!!!

my prismatic bridge deck is a superfriends deck called jankfriends I also put cards in to give me more upkeep steps So I get multiple triggers of the bridge

I really like Patron of the kitsune and Patron of the Orochi. I think both of these are highly underrated.

as a person that used kallia you people are one of the issues with commander, you think tribal is bad, when it's not. Kallia is still athreat kill on sight commander.

Would be nice to have omega of all of them

i own a prismatic bridge deck and it rolls my best friends Kenrith deck during our Thursday magic nights with all our friends- Think you just need to play some Doors of nothingness and progenesis, and timeless lotus, makes the games pretty goofy.

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

So we’re playing jank…

I think ranking the commanders lower just because their either mono or tribal is a poor take, but either way great video :)

I am offended lol!!! Lathril was the first commander deck I made and is super optimized now. Not CEDH, but it's amazing when it pops off.

@Longboardguyy

4 ай бұрын

Hatred is a nasty card to play in Optimized Lathril, particularly with commander damage rule 😂

Good video from The Commander

How come you don't do the shows where y'all play commander anymore? I loved those shows!

I think Ratadrabik of Urborg should be on this list. The ring tempts you mechanic just makes him so busted. In the fastest win turn 4. While easily average turn 6 if not answered

Mana curve for Miirym is a nonsense argument, cause clones average 3-4 and when every creature in the deck is also Miirym it sure snowballs fast...

Prossh Skyraider was my first real powerful Commander Kinda Surprised it is not here but well i guess it just wasnt as popular

Krenko is what you think of when you think tribal commander? Not Sliver Overlord? Weird.

Yuriko at s tier is insane she super resilient and moderatkey fast but that's it

For an all time best commander list I'd like to see also Najeela, Koma, Animar, Omnath, Urza, Zada, Narset, Jetmir, Voja etc rated.

@myvjeo9879

3 ай бұрын

Voja is way to overpowered

I think the main problem is that you consider tribal aggro without good combos or alternative wincon, here's an example: Markov and Wilhelt are damn good aristocrats decks and with optimized tutors can win easily vs miirym or isshin that based most of their strategy on combat damage. Other commanders like kaalia also do great at cEDH events recently so she's a safe A tier. For my cEDH experience krenko is an A or at least B.

I basically grabbed all my favorite legendary cards and put lands in and made the most powerful deck I own with Jodah

Kenrith is SO versatile, glad he’s an S tier. My partner recently made him a curse commander which was… interesting

If you want all your friends to hate you, kaalia + master of cruelties

@Snekettek

4 ай бұрын

indeed, one-shot people if kaalia remains unblocked :)

What would you rank Golos if it was not a victim of the infamous ban?

@VexylObby

4 ай бұрын

S+. It is straight busted.

20:15 my favorite deck is ghalta primal hunger lmao I'm definitely clear on this vid

Master of the Universes Beyond…. Yes please!

I love Gishath and The Ur-Dragon. Some of the best creatures in my opinion.

Pantlaza is better than Gishath in the commander slot for Dino tribal.

I've whiffed with dino commander 3 time in a row 21 cards!!! Was the funniest sht ever

Im a new player, In my playgroup, the most experienced guy we have told me i can't use prismatic bridge as my commander because its an enchantment and that i was only allowed to use the front side esika because she is a creature, and im only allowed to have creatures as commander or something.

@MrTheSupermike

4 ай бұрын

Nah you can most assuredly use the Prismatic bridge part as the commander, it's because it's a modular card

Having built, played, or played against almost all of these decks, Prosper is absolutely an A-tier. P.S. Really, why is Crime Novelist an uncommon???

@macces82

4 ай бұрын

Just bought that card for my Prosper deck.

@christophmuller4482

4 ай бұрын

Prosper is, out of all my decks, the most consistent one. Def an A Tier

Who here also plays Arcades and is salty because on the particular day they gathered this data, Nekusar overtook Arcades for spot #20 by just a pinch, making Arcades not on this list?

Go Shintai placed at D? Whattt??? I love my shrine deck. And no mention of K'rrik? He is my #1.

I played at a table last week where we rule zeroed that it was modified precons. I added maybe $100 of card changes. Dude was running Isshin and argued it was still a modified precon, he just modified 97 of the 100 cards... He ended up getting salty for boardwiping him and scooped 🤭

I think putting Kaalia in there but not Winota is a bit curious, IMO Winota is just the far better power crept version of Kaalia.

isn't the Krenko deck more of a combo deck than a straight goblin deck? I know my cedh Krenko is straight combo with goblins being the tutors etc. turn 2-3 wins is pretty nice.

1:01:20 as long as they don't explain why other cards are not banned, we can only assume wotc and market collusion

Only one on the list I have a deck for is Esika.

Well I play only Tribal decks.. so Weird list to see this, also Khalia and my Gishath in D tier loool

Ur-Dragon with shapeshifter is the way to go

Sisay Weatherlight is SOOO underrated. She's my commander in my Ur-Dragon deck with Jegantha as my companion

how k'rrik son of yawgmoth would rank in here? and agatha of the vile cauldron

@changminsong

4 ай бұрын

agree with K'rrik for sure

@vccavalcanti

4 ай бұрын

Krrk is like a low tier cedh commander, but still competitive so i believe S tier

Where would Myrel, Shield of Argive be? I guess higher since has Grand Abolisher plus create infinite tokens. Definitely not S, but maybe A or B?

@joedoe7572

4 ай бұрын

How are you creating infinite tokens?

Plz make a deck for massacre girl plz I got her and really want a primarily assassins (commander) or don’t

I dont use any of the commander made cards. Same deck since rise of eldrazi. Haven't lost whenever I decide to use. Rafiq is the commander that rarely gets played

Have you guys played against Prosper? Prosper is an easy S

I think the data is pretty skewed, being only focused on the most common/popular commanders. I value EDHREC as a resource, but it also becomes a bit of an echo chamber when people only push attention to what others recommend/what is popular

GISHATH IS THE TRAMPLER SUPREME S TIER

Someone should tell wizards to change the eminence rule to “you must have the 0 cost artifact with shroud, indestructible, protection from anything that says you may not have [eminence card] as your commander without this card in your 99 and you may play eminence card” the idea being no one can remove the eminence artifact from the table, you can’t play your commander without the eminence card on the battlefield, and you have to have the eminence card in your deck to play. Seems to really balance out the over powered nature of eminence.

How did Urza, Lord High Artificer not make it into this list?

@davidrosenberg9615

4 ай бұрын

Presumably it isn't popular enough.

@ShinnyMetal

4 ай бұрын

Oh, I misunderstood. It wasn't the top 20 popular powerful commanders it's literally the top 20 popular commanders.

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

@@ShinnyMetal they took the commanders from most popular commenders in edhrec then ranked them by power level.

U did Miirym dirty bro at B, she should at least be at A.

Playing my yuriko with copycards like sakashima or helm of domination. Can be very funny. But i would rate Atraxa S or A, for only 4 mana the value is insane. You go for a creatur based build with +1/+1 tokens, Planeswalker or Poison. Or just all at the Same time.

@meyeneetuks4680

3 ай бұрын

Yea idk why she is that low. Atraxa is still #1 commander for like the past 4yrs

@jaxmonroe7263

2 ай бұрын

@@meyeneetuks4680#1 most commonly built! Not #1 most winning deck!

Can gishath compete even with the new Dinos?

Oh look, it's the Commander AND sub-Commander

What is cdeh?

You obviously haven't played against many Jodah decks. He's an S+ easy. Hope you play white and have a Teferi's Protection in hand when they drop Urza's Ruinous Blast

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

Just counter it 🤯

Good list but I'm wondering about a few commanders that are ommitted: Kinnan Urza Talion Tivit Godo Tymna Rograkh Najeela Etali Kodama of the East Tree Selvala Thrasios WInota Sisay

@changminsong

4 ай бұрын

failed to read the "popular" part...

I think you missed Etali, the card is absolutely insane especially when you add blink and copy effects.

I’m sorry but you got Krenko completely wrong and all of the comments defending this placement are saying that he sucks because you can board wipe or remove him which is true of every commander. Not to mention if you are forcing your opponent to play board wipe/removal decks or else they lose, I’d say that’s a pretty strong commander…

@bobwitney4552

4 ай бұрын

And korvold at S tier, wtffff

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

Not all boardwipe kill every creature you know that right?

@bobwitney4552

4 ай бұрын

@@Worldly_Pitfall3 sure, what’s your point though?

No sliver?

Krenko is not D-tier in my opinion... but also not super competitive.

@katharinagaube3367

4 ай бұрын

It just feels like krenko folds to boardwipes and generally targeted removal. The deck is mostly build around the commander and if krenko isn't around it's playing a bunch of goblins that won't do much. In 1v1 krenko can turn on the heat because with only one opponent he's less likely to die and he just needds to overwhelm one player. There is the occasional fire start with sol-ring and turn 2 krenko but thats unreliable and more of a proof that sol-ring is busted. And in 4-player? Someone is going to play a sweeper or just kill/counter krenko and now he's six mana and you REALLY need haste.

Krenko is to low I have an optimised yuriko korvold and mirymm deck that struggle to win if ever against my friends krenko , you get an early haste enabler it's over

Where is Vadrik?

What are the most powerful non cedh decks? What could that mean? Or rank the commanders in power assuming they are all 7’s 🤷‍♂️umm.. they tie. If you are ranking in terms of power not cedh power the answer is “the ones built most powerful are the most powerful”. That’s it. Show over. Rant out of the way, I do like you two guys a lot and Mitch sorta inspired me to build on a budget so I will be watching and prob liking but I have to say this entire concept just literally is a philosophical non starter 😬. Sorry. Love you Namaste 🖖

Shame I think some of the tribal should be higher, Wilhelt is strong, you dissed some of my favorites 😢

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

Wilhelt has limited combo options even Ur dragon hs access to more combos. Also a Wilhelt deck isn’t known for getting a turn three win unlike Kenrith or Yuriko

@LuneKnight1221

4 ай бұрын

@@Worldly_Pitfall3 well tbh i dont care about winning t3, i should if guessed this was a list for cedh, which i dont play

Zombies would actually win over vampire hands down, bring your best vampire, and I bring my zombies, and we play for keeps vampire can't be cast from the grave, zombies can

@Worldly_Pitfall3

4 ай бұрын

Edgar Markov deck would run over a Wilhelt deck they have access to infinite life combos and lifeless combos

@J-Albert

4 ай бұрын

​@@Worldly_Pitfall3facts, but in this tierlist both don't get the respect tehy deserve, Markov and Wilhelt are not combat only commanders like isshin and can win the game by phyrexian altair combo before miirym hit the table.

How tf did Wilhelt get so low?

I don't get how you say all tribal commanders are d tier and then you have jodah as an A?

@kvdxx6603

4 ай бұрын

Not very sharp are you bud

@ramiroramirez6832

4 ай бұрын

Really you don't think jodah is a tribal commander wow I guess your not sharp either bro

@meyeneetuks4680

3 ай бұрын

@@kvdxx6603jodah is tribal… just legendary tribal

Golos did nothing wrong.

y la de jugar se la saben????????????????????

Krrik didnt make the list eh? Powerful, post malone..i mean

This seems like a meme rank system.

If you can't keep Kaalia on the battlefield, you're doing it wrong. S-Tier all the way.

No Kinnan is silly.

I lol’ed watching this video. I disagree with almost every choice but then I play Cedh so it’s hard to understand your mind set.

I understand this is a universally held belief so not knocking points or anything however, I must say that I've always found Miirym to be much more valuable than Korvold: It feels like another Aristocrat themed commander but my guess is people much rather ultimately have Jund than Temur but even then I say there's at least as much value in having access to Blue as it is to Black since you can do a more-than-incidental level of interaction with Miirym but hey, survey says it's probably just me and people prefer Korvold.

Orvar?.....Orvar?.....Orvar?......

can beat you with my isshin deck without ever casting isshin

isshin is A easy

After watching this video, the only logical conclusion is that neither of you have actually played commander.

Gotta disagree with infinite commanders being ranked S. Honestly, unless everyone at the table is trying to go infinite to win...its the lamest way to play commander. Unless you are all playing CEDH then infinite combos (especially direct cards that break your commander) its clown shoes....you got a "I must win" condition and have lost your way lol. Play for fun and for interesting fun games my guys and gals! Any clown go go infinite trust me I used to be one of them.