Actually it’s about two boys and one of them is insistent about wearing a piece of paper on his face and this causes the other kid a lot of distress

@SledgeSlammer

2 жыл бұрын

TRUE

Tbh I really don't agree with what you're saying here. Of course Mamoru is obviously putting the blame on himself, but I don't think we should read it as "Neru wanted us to understand that he is at fault, and that this situation is in part caused by Mamoru himself, not only school and the system". Saying a kid should take some of the blame for becoming mentally fvcked up and giving up is just so wrong. Throughout the whole song he keeps asking questions: he doesn't know what to do. And that's simply because he hasn't been shown how to. Should he take the blame when the people/system that were supposed to teach him just... haven't taught him? And have constantly been pushing him down? Does Mamoru really have the ability to get back up, find a way out? Man that's just exhausting, and how would he even do that? You don't just grow up and become mature by solely experiencing things in such a harsh world, heck, even just the fact that the school system is this horrible to kids is a reason not to blame him. But who does he have? He's really just lonely, and that is why he redirects the blame towards himself. Telling a kid they are capable of not giving up in such conditions is, to me, like saying "you could be happy if you really wanted to" to a depressed person.

@Kirbyfan45

6 ай бұрын

YOU ARE CORRECT!!!

@sampalguita

3 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!! experiencing what mamoru has gone through.. i would end up blaming myself and putting all the responsibility on myself. i do enjoy narratives where the character is put through unfair situations and they manage to get through despite everything (example: cinderella) because its very inspiring and hopeful for me, but its not the same as when someone is literally a child and all alone being blamed for their own trauma and suffering. i believe lost one's weeping is a complete criticism of the school system and i believe we need more of that. its never taught us to value our well-being, identity, ourselves. it's never encouraged us to do anything that feels fulfilling and worth all the stress, and if you're unlucky enough to have not have guardians that do teach you otherwise or support you isn't it really messed up for anyone to blame you for that?

I feel like him lashing out at the end was more because he had no one else to lash out at.

You say that people can't actually be relating to the song because then they would have had to give up, who knows maybe they did. I think your interpretation comes across a bit more harsh and judgmental of the victim in the story. Yeah the kid is blaming himself, but a lot of people in bad situations blame themselves when the reality is that they never should have been put through those things, and it wasn't their fault. And others blame themselves for not being strong enough to endure it. All in all, blaming oneself for breaking in a system designed to break people is self-destructive and helps nobody. Especially when they are still children. And especially when they see that it doesn't really end. Most can only endure that kind of thing for so long, telling them "keep your dreams, but also get rid of your dreams" sends mixed messages. If we put wood in fire, it burns, if it burns it is because wood typically burns in fire. We can't tell the wood to just suck it up and not burn, not while we are adding in more fuel to keep the fire burning, not when we ensure that no wood can escape the fire. What's worse is that kids that somehow still manage to survive those systems become examples used to prolong it. Society is more than willing to push a broken school system because if a kid breaks in it, "it was ultimately the kid's fault. They should have been stronger." We know the kind of damage it does to them, we know it sucks, but we ultimately ignore it and allow it to keep going on because "bad things happen, suck it up" which is just an excuse people use. Ultimately, the kid isn't the only one that gave up. Their criticism of the school system ends up hollow. They have no intention of doing anything about it, which is why the song moves onto criticising the kid, because the kid's predicament came as a result of the system, and if he was stronger, they wouldn't even be giving a hollow criticism of the school system.

@kay-kay6483

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was getting this vibe too. There should still be an acknowledgement that there's a reason the decision to give up on their dreams was ever even presented. Bread Box focused a lot on emphasizing that he still agrees with the first message of the song but somehow either didn't figure out or didn't express that the last part of the song is a call for empathy just as much as it is a call for criticism. If it were just about criticism I don't think Mamoru would have been depicted sobbing the way he was.

@spaceaster

2 жыл бұрын

Esspecialy since the kid with the paper over his face is towering over the other kid and is to be presumed to be the one saying the line Mamoru is also sobbing and looks extremely distressed in the last chorus

@sakuravikofficial

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. While I understand his interpretation, I personally see it more and how kids end up blaming no one but themselves for how they feel. Yes, some kids can be mad at their teachers or school system for not understanding but the first thing people say isn’t that the school system is stupid, they call themselves stupid. I feel like even then, it should be up to people’s interpretation on how they want to take the song rather than pushing the narrative he did by saying it’s the messaging of giving up. While the end of the video does allude to the character giving up (as his paper version takes off the paper covering it’s face), it doesn’t just show how the character gave up, it’s showing HOW people give up in the first place, by blaming themselves for everything. People shouldn’t be gate-kept from relating to the song cuz yeah they do take it more at face value, a majority of the people in the comments have genuinely felt the effects of the school system, with many feeling like they themselves are too dumb to comprehend what they teach. In a sense, it even shows that the school system isn’t ever taking responsibility for what they pressure a kid to do, it’s always the blame of the student and a majority of the time, that’s what the student thinks too. Many of my friends joke about being stupid, referencing their grades and related. It’s never blamed on anything but themselves and it’s shown through their outward self-deprecative jokes. The analysis here on this video was great but I don’t think it should be labeled as the “true” meaning to the song

It's immature to say school is entirely at fault for where you end up, but saying that it's very flawed is not immature. Because it literally is, and that's not a good thing that prepares you for the disappointment of life, but a bad thing. Just look at countries that have schools that are more friendly to kids - the kids turn out better. School does suck in some countries, but don't give up nonetheless.

I think you can interpret is as not the author saying that the small child is at fault, but showing how children lash out at themselves when they have no other option. I think both interpretations are totally valid, and it basically just depends on how you actually feel about school.

I love your videos so I hope that this doesn’t read as unnecessarily harsh, but I don’t agree with your take here. Kids are kids, this is their first go through life. They only know what they are taught, and more often than not what they are taught are these sabotaging, mentally deprecating school and social systems that are completely set around destroying non-compliance and any questioning of authority. Yes individuals will buckle and break, but few will come out unscathed. It’s a fairly universal experience in that way, and people such as myself who have underlying mental health issues never stood a chance against it. Heck, as a little girl I would constantly be told that I was bullied for whatever reason they could come up with. Because I was a girl, they never took it seriously or put a stop to it. “Just, STOP reacting to it” was the number one advice. Tell a 6 year old to exert that level of self control for her entire life, but if I bet she’d probably break and give up everything like you said would you accept the offer? Yeah, you’re right that nobody else can completely deprive you of self-identity or expression, but you don’t spontaneously self-sabotage either. Most of us were kids at one point or another, and we were given explicit instructions to carve out chunks of ourselves for years. We can only model what we know and lots of people who relate likely hadn’t ever been given an example of positive change. I simply don’t get how you’d reach the conclusion that those who relate HADN’T tried living again after giving up, even repeatedly, and kept falling victim to systems they couldn’t escape.

To an extent your base argument here falls apart because the line you keep referencing isn’t the very last line of the song. It’s one of the lines that leads into the final chorus sure but there is still the final chorus and a true final “last line”. He asks who is it that threw away his dreams, than confirms that he knows who that is, cut to the shot of the version of himself with the blank paper. After that he attacks that version of himself. He lashes out at him. Asking him when he will “grow up” even though he doesn’t even understand what it means. He doesn’t even know who to relay on anymore since he desperately asks who is he supposed to ask to understand all of this. Finally he declares “it doesn’t matter anymore”. He has been so beaten down that he has become a shell of a person. To Mamoru it doesn’t matter what he does anymore. He has given up. So yes I agree with the final point that only you make that decision to give up but you can also see just how destroyed his psyche has become. He can try again. He can find a dream again but at this point he’s in no mental place to do that. And if I say this song relates to me that includes the giving up on myself part. I didn’t do well in school and suffered for a long time. I didn’t find any sort of dream for myself again until I was in my 20’s. That thing I ended up doing with my life was working with children, doing my best to make sure they don’t have to feel the way I did at their age in such a shitty system. So I liked the video wish you just didn’t exclude the actual ending of the song…

At least for me the song is relatable bc of the fact I have a learning disability and it makes school feel like shoveling sand with a strainer Now don’t get me wrong I love learning, education is very important, but the school system fails in so many ways and not just in education Yes you are responsible for holding on to your dreams and ambition but it’s hard to do that when it feels like everything is beating down on you I gave up at a point on trying to go after what I want to do bc it felt impossible (and I was like 12 in a public middle school that wasn’t giving me the accommodations that I had in elementary school and other shot I’m not gonna get into) Middle school and high school are also just very emotional times in peoples life when it comes to growing up so most people are gonna act dramatic but to them it feels real Sorry for rambling lol I just have some strong options when it come to how education is handled in general haha

Honestly... I hate the idea of missing the point of a song personally. Songs, and art on the whole is interpretable. Even if there's an intentional message it's okay to have a different interpretation or take something however or as far as you want really. That individuality is what shows the art has an impact beyond its initial meaning and we can find more possibilities as we go along. But likewise this is a good insight into it also, in ways it's made the song bitterly motivating. Sure even as an artist I've found myself thinking of part of it as how our minds are pulled in so many directions that harms our mental health as we're not focused on what we enjoy or are especially good at, hence the kid's focus on certain subjects over others. Plus sure, we can throw our dreams down the drain for a number of reasons. it could be that we just gave up or maybe we're blaming ourselves, partially because of a poor system that doesn't seek to support us in the ways it should? Interpretations are fun.

Haha jokes on you! My self-loathing and inability to take that step forward has made me give up on dreams so I relate to all to this! Until these past few years where I was tired of giving up and decided to try and dream again :)

@idk-xs5nz

2 жыл бұрын

Here's to hoping that this time, your dreams won't die quick!

@piper5426

2 ай бұрын

How are you doing now?

@animefan1066

2 ай бұрын

@@piper5426 Lol I absolutely forgot about this comment. There's less self loathing involved these days but to say it's completely gone would be a lie. I have takens steps forward and a few steps back but it's been progress from where I was 2 years ago so that's something.

I read it as more of the main character upset with themself for having to throw away their own dreams because of how harsh school is. I don’t think it’s necessarily them blaming themself for giving up, rather, internally crying out for help and some sort of explanation. It’s the struggle of trying to keep up with demands put on them, and when comparing what they are able to accomplish in school or not, they realize they will never be enough. With juby’s lyric of “just open up your eyes why don’t you grow up and see?”, to me it was the main character coming to terms with the realization that they aren’t ok. They’re acknowledging that they need to wake up and regain that sense of hope to be ok again, but they don’t know how.

There's no right or wrong interpretation because we've got different thoughts about this song... But for me, I think that the song is about how the child is exhausted about trying to keep up with expectations of his surroundings that he/she doesn't even know who she/he is anymore... Those surrounding him/her making him/her feel like speaking her/his own thought out is something wrong and is given no choice but to abide with what others want him/her to become... (I dunno if what I sad made sense-)

I think it’s that you actually don’t relate, and understand. You’re taking it at face value. When you are in a system, failing, suffering and everyone else seems fine, who do you blame but yourself? Who does a child blame but themselves? What are you supposed to do but give up. Its about being beaten down by a system and forgetting and giving up on your dreams because you cannot endure it anymore. And blaming yourself, when it really isn’t your fault. I think you misunderstand. I see the last line as the voice in your head saying “why were you not able to endure? Why did you give up? Its your fault you couldn’t take it any longer.”

while I completely agree with you, *I'm pretty sure most people know this meaning.* Like no way you didn't get at least some of this entire meaning if you listened to the entire song xD.

i saw it as something differet (lets call mamoru with paper just "paper" and when i refer to just a paper i will call it "piece of paper"). what i understood from the song is that actually paper is the future of mamoru, a represntation of what the school is trying to create out of mamoru. noticed how paper never moves on hes own?he either stands there,sits or being pushed and pulled by mamoru which just shows how hes a "souless doll" which can be a represntion of the scoiety control over the individual. also look at 3:23 (from the offical video) he actually holds the piece of paper in hes hands looking at it, and 3:30 you can see hes souless look and how he is lifting the piece of paper to hes face (and since its an awakerd way to read a paper i can only assume how he wants to cover hes face with it). from those points i actually see paper as whats mamoru is excepted and "pushed" into becoming. on what i understand, this assigment made him realize whats the school is actually trying to turn him into paper and he is right on the turning point between himself and what the school want him to be. the reason why hes mad at paper is because he sees himself "dying", hes ego is actually getting replaced by a new "him" fabricated by school. the reason why he said "you know who throw those dreams" is actually him blaming the creation of paper, saying that the reason why hes dream were thrown away is because of the transfromation from mamoru to paper. notice how the question "sombody throwed those dreams into a ditch,hey who was it?" were followed in the clip by mamoru looking like he realized a shocking truth,a moment ago he held hes head in pain but after that he stops and looks like he realized something, then after that "you already know who" is actually showing paper with a somewhat meancing/erie look almost like this whole thing was orchestrated by him. in this shot it looks like mamoru realizes that once he will transform into paper he will throw all hes dreams away. while the thing you point is "you truely decide to change" is true, you cant really compare it here since we are talking about a huge system with a pretty tight limitations. the japanse beleive more in a group then an indvidual and this morality is reflected in the students education. mamoru is actually blaming societiy for creating paper and not himself to change since he acutally changed in the end. while mamoru did said it all, then if hes:sad,angry,depressed because of hes change then why would 3:23 and 3:30 happen? if i know that what im about to do is a bad choice and i understand that, why do i pick to go with it? the only way to explain it is to say that while mamoru didnt want to become paper, mamoru was forced to become paper. you wouldnt look so souless if you only thought about yourself here, but if we say that this look is actually mamoru realizing how its a decided battle with no way to win then the reason why he lost hes spirit is understandable. tl;dr:paper is actually future mamoru transformed by the education system, hes mad at future him for throwing hes dreams and not himself for letting the change happen. the reason why i say that the transformation was forced is from the sceans in the end of the song showing how he looks at the paper and placing it on himself,no one who realized something bad will/did happen will just do it anyways.

I feel like this video misses the point of what systematic oppression means. One CAN acknowledge their own mistakes while agreeing that the system is broken and is the route cause. Once too many people suffer under the same system it’s no longer a “you” problem, it’s a issue with the system. Also the “giving up” point it’s just so weirdly stated. Like people don’t choose to be depressed, have mental issues or be murdered. To just say they gave up, undermines the problem that they had NO CHOICE in the matter. Imagine telling a depressed person to “just be happy!” Ultimately, no one can control or be blamed for every aspect of their life. “Maturing” is choosing the best option for parts of one’s life one can control, and preparing themselves for parts they can’t control.

I agree on some points but your last part is nothing but lashing out... and it makes me uncomfortable... Everyone has their own each interpretation when hearing this song and my own or someones interpretation really helps me fight/battling out the school system sometimes and it really helps out, Even my dreams are not accirate or not perfect at least this is the dream that I wanted... My own interpretation of this song is that this is a suffering about boy trying to accomplish his dreams by grades but he hates some subjects that he really wanted to avoid and it's stressful for him cause he had no choice. He even thinks wether he shoud've destory his dreams that it seems that is an easy route but it hurta because it WAS his dream. So he keep on fighting until he don't know anymore, Suddenly he realises in the end of the song there is no easy route and the only way is fight and battle until he get dream what he wanted even though it's not actually his dream as he takes off the blank paper on his face. but yours is that we should should throw awau our dreams and just give up because we give up is kind of leading to nothing... It's like you ask a depressed person to give up, makes us misserable, and making us to a fake smile even though we are turning Sえlf-Hあrm... This is my interpretation of this song and I feel like you wanted to controll our opinions but interpretations as if throwing our dreams away and giving up is only 'C O R R E C T' interpretation that we should MOSTLY agree on and honestly, thats unforgivably selfish... I love/relate this song and this song really helps me well. but your claim about my misunderstand about this song is... kind of selfish Sorry for the rambling, this video was still on my head and I really can't sleep thinking about lol... Edit: One interpretation that I know for sure (I don't know exactly what taping on the paper on people faces meant but it must mean something) Is that people taping on a face means that this kid we saw the MV has no personality to create, It's blank it's all nothing but a blank mask until when he takes it off we see his actual real personality and meaning he is staring to move on. Look. I love you man because of your Kagerou Vids. You even manage to make an 1 HOUR video to put them together until it finaly makes sense and I loved it but... this video... most of your points about this song and is nothing but "B.S.-CR∀P" and it's cruel to hear it because it made me feel so hopeless. I don't think I won't ever agree your points in this video and I do not care. This song has some absolute mixed messages this theory is on a side where this theory was jumbled down complicated. (and plus some of them are actually, *Ｂ・Ｓ・* )

You lowkey talk like ben Shapiro LMAO

@igorlorenc1445

2 жыл бұрын

He does... I wonder if he's a conservative.

@ra-tz9hg

2 жыл бұрын

@@igorlorenc1445 what??

@Impiedoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@igorlorenc1445 I mean he described depression in irony as "whining and crying" so I would not be surprised Lmfao

@heikon6651

2 жыл бұрын

he does😭

@tsukodome6132

2 жыл бұрын

*F □ ■ K I N G* YES, I GOT THE SAME FEELING. and I will never unsee it. Bread Box's interpretation is so full of IRONY.

I have to disagree. To me, the song is such a raw expression of realizing you've been pushed to a breaking point. And when you get to that point its so natural to blame yourself. "how did I let it get this bad? What could I have done different?" Those are the first questions you ask. And those are the questions that keep you from seeking help because deep down you believe its all your fault. It takes strength to get out of that situation, to realize something needs to change and changing it. And most often that doesnt mean pushing through, it means lightening your burdens. Giving up the things that don't actually matter or can wait until later, and being kind to yourself when others won't be. Being broken isn't a moral failing, its a tragedy. And its unfortunately a very common one, which is why this song resonates so strongly with so many people.

Typical pretentious person who says that only their interpretation of a song is the valid one and everyone else is wrong. /:P There’s no right or wrong meaning or message of a work of art. Everyone is allowed to interpret it differently. Even if it’s not what the original maker intended, as they aren’t the only ones consuming the art. This give off pretentious vibes There’s no correct message

@treetrio6029

Жыл бұрын

I agree with some of this but are you going to tell me that an artist is WRONG ON THEIR OWN WORK??? This sounds more pretentious to say than anything in the video. I disagree with you as there can be a correct answer and to ignore it for something else defeats it's purpose depending on what it was.

I actually got this right... huh, it really does relate to me although im from the Philippines, i go to a school that wants us to develope in both an academic way and a spiritual way, and in my opinion, its failed, cause all i see is them telling us to devote ourselves to a higher being, and while thats good and all, you have to also take into account who you're teaching, you cant teach some people sign language, you cant force a religion on others and ive completely burnt myself up trying to keep up with my classmates and im still in grade 9, the school has good talent but some have left overtime due to the burnout we feel over the school years, that happened to one of the best in our class, and its also taken me and im on the edge of moving to another school cause i cant keep up with the demands of this school system and heck im asking my self if college and university are going to be useful for me cause my strong suit is fictional story telling, and (in my opinion) i have nothing to learn being in school anymore

Obligatory: omg it's me

I didn't think of this song in this way before because I usually don't dig into songs and just read the comments alone instead but I really feel like I relate to this song even more now. I've only started high school this year and I'm already failing, I used to entirely blame myself but I started blaming the way I grew up, the school system, and more recently my ADHD. I've been really wanting to give up everything for a long time and now it feels like school is solidifying it so I gave up on school and now with the semester ending tomorrow there's literally no possible way to recover from this. I caved and now I'm living the consequences of my actions, or rather my inaction. I get more and more upset everyday at everyone including myself but I've gone so far that there's no redemption possible anymore. I don't see a future for myself because that's a dream I gave up on a long time ago.

Also. I spent my entire childhood wanting to become a KZreadr. But with puberty I got bored of the idea/realized that it wasn't realstic. So now when career advisors at my college, or my parents, ask me what career ideas I have, I say 'I don't know'. Because well, I had 'childhood dreams', but then literally just got bored of them. And now I don't have any career dreams at all, and aim to pick something entirely random. My parents are baffled at this. "But how could you possibly not have any career ideas? You're 17, you should have some ideas by now!" no, no I don't. What the heck am I supposed to do? Any childhood dreams I've ever had were temporary phases that switched constantly. I inherently get bored of any given thing very fast.

Good video, this song used to be my all time favorite, and the song that got me in the fandom. Although i never really took the time to analysis in details.

I like how this came out a day after putting my two weeks at a job that has been an utter hell for the last two years because I let my self continually come back to just for a damn paycheck.

I related to the song cause In highschool the pressures of growing up and abd just school where really really bad for me. I’d use this song to beat myself up mentally cause I did give up and nothing seemed to matter to me

When is vocaloid basics 101

I do somewhat agree with the point that the last part also plays a big role in this song, but the way you said it makes it feel like you're saying "it's YOUR fault you gave up, it's YOUR fault you can't keep up, it's YOUR fault you don't know who you are, it's YOUR fault you're trying to reach expectations and it's YOUR fault you're the way you are". That being said, I definitely don't think this is how this song should be interpreted. It doesn't mean to tell you that you're the one at blame, it tells you that you shouldn't lose hope, that things might get better if you keep on living and trying your best, it tells you not to throw away your dreams. That's what I think this song tries to tell us, while perfectly showing how fvcked up education system is and vividly shows feelings of a child who has to deal with it - a child who will put the blame on himself, thinking that it isn't good enough. The way you say it seems just like what this child tells himself - "I'm the one who gave up, it's my fault that I am not enough and It's my fault that I can't keep up. That's just how life is and my problems are my fault. I'm the one to blame". Obviously, it's not true, it's not child's fault but the child doesn't realize it. Blaming everything on school is immature, but that point of yours is even more immature as your self-critisizing thoughts reflect those of Mamoru. We understand both child's point of view and the situation. You surely do understand point of view of the child, but you lack the latter one and that's why you can't see what this song really wants us to know. Interpretation isn't only about understanding subject's pov but also seeing the bigger picture and realizing that you are in fact NOT that subject and you have your own knowledge to rely on in the process of deduction.

Aishite Aishite its a misundertood Song tooo Everyone seems to see as a obssesive love

My depression threw my dreams down the drain. Just stop being depressed. Ngl I agree and enjoy both negative and positive meanings of the songs, I like lots of interpretations of songs often both of what was meant by the author or interpreted by the fans. But personally interpreting it negatively helps me get through the day and gets me to school on time, I don’t know if that makes sense, but I actually need it to kill the creative part of me or at least restrain it long enough so I can put that part of me aside. Otherwise my HDHD would never allow me to focus on algebra.

@Kirbyfan45

8 ай бұрын

ARE YOU ALIVE!?

David Toth do not use Irony as background footage challenge (0% success rate)

@unwrittenchronicles

2 жыл бұрын

idek meybe it feel restricted in emotions and express them, that doesn't feel nice. poor thing.

I was here when this occurred in the livestream, so this is neat

Now that I do know that I feel like I can relate to it more to all of it

Okay to be honest I fully agree with your interpretation but I think you are a bit too hard to the people that are not really getting the full picture. Lost One's Weeping might be my favourite song ever and it helped me through really bad times, not necessarily because of the whole school theme as I already graduated by then but because of its tempo and raw emotions. I think I mostly got the message of the song when I listened to it back than but over time I came to understood that no matter what we shouldn't abandon our dreams or who we are. I offten come across a song that Ifind hard to understand or to get what it wants to say. Sometimes I get my own interpretation that can be very different from the "intended" one and sometimes I need some thinking time to really get the message or to reread the lyrics to find something I missed. This where I think most commentors fall in, in a stage of half understanding the song. Maybe they go through hard times and just need some raw emotions and a feeling of being understood as many early Neru songs gave me and others. In that regard it is fine for me when they can only connect with the first part of the song as it is the most important one for them at the time. Maybe a few months or years later they will find themselfs back at this song to figure out the whole picture but until then I am glad that they could find some comfort in this song. Understanding a song can be difficult or not so obvious at first but I think that some listeners will come to understand this song and others. Than they will come to appreciate them more.

yeah I remember listening to you saying this for the first time, and I realized just how much I didn't want to accept it, that would flip the entire way I saw the song on its head and what it meant to me on its head, it would imply that I'm the one at fault (although not completely given up my dreams) for my misery and at that point I had been blaming other things too often because I was insecure about it being my fault and I thought it would crush me, to me your answer was the right one, the objectively right one, but not the one I wanted to accept, although eventually I finally accepted it and I feel sort of enlightened now, I blame other things less often and end up blaming myself instead, its closer to the truth of the situation I feel like, but its still crushing me lol, I just gotta figure out how to resolve my situations without leaving all this misery in me still unresolved

I think you missed a huge point of what teenagers of today struggle with and the song elaborates on societal pressure too while having self blame is apart of it but societal pressure is the bigger core here. Also it is not only the Japanese school system but it comments on how overall the flaw of education being that education is something that you are exposed to from the very beginning of course and growing up you just get latched onto and it falls apart from there cause pressure and expectations from others internalize onto you and people like Mamoru just feel vulnerable. I think the reason why Mamoru truly blames himself is cause of the way he grew up and did not even care to notice for himself but also cause he does not know what to do anymore because he was being paved by education mainly. You clearly have missed a point in the after effects of societal pressure that this song strongly elaborates on and basically watered it down to 2 points when in reality this is something complicated. It was not Mamoru's fault for having no sense of his identity as at first it is painted that way yet in reality it was because of what he was pushed and specifically taught into. Again you usually realize these kind of things late in adolescence and it is a painful thing at first but I think the song highlights it in a way that tells you it is ok to struggle but do acknowledge that you are yourself in any situation than trying to play along

i didn't knew your channel, but im glad i clicked this video! you got a new sub ^^

Jokes on you I hate myself just as much, if not more than I hate the school system lmao

I don't think others here are really understanding. Yes it's not entirely his fault he threw his dreams away, it's not like he just sat there and decided he should have no identity, and yes, school did contribute to that. But you're in control of your own self. If you want something about yourself to change, you have to do it. To say holding onto your dreams is not your responsibility, takes away your control. That means you have no choice and life is fruitless. That's not true. The student realises he has control and responsibility over himself and his life and his dreams. That is important, more important than saying "school sucks because it makes you fit into a mold". It says that at first, and then says, okay, you realise school sucks because it makes you fit into a mold, so why are you letting it? Refuse. It's not easy, but you have to try or else you become faceless like the student.

@ostsarahb7466

11 ай бұрын

But that’s the point. The school system takes away the child’s control and leaves them to blame themself. This problem continues into adulthood. Capitalism takes away control from most people but makes them blame themselves because “it’s a free economy”. It’s not. At least not for the vast majority of people. It’s a hard truth but we need to see it if we want to actually take control of our lives.

so late to this but this was really upsetting because it seems harsh and the language you used really felt a lot like victim blaming. lots of people already explained it better than me, but i dont think you're really familiar with how systemic oppression affects people and how children can be affected by growing up in an environment that never treats their well-being as first.

So basically this video is just mocking some peoples trauma and the fact that school was to hard and I and many others gave up and now this video seems like your putting me and everyone else that feels this way down for it and giving us an even better reason to blame ourse;ves for our fall when in reality most of us have problems that go way deeper so we blame everything on this one issue making it hard to pass the obsticale I threw everything away because of all the trauma that came with putting up with that place and so many people did give up and now your mocking it how dispicable

@Shen7272

Жыл бұрын

Cope I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Where do you stream?

During middle school I was the one of those who overlooked the final message of the song, but over time I returned to the song and was able to see what I've missed. Honestly, it was a revelation for me.

To be honest, I think The Lost One's Weeping would be a great song even without this layer. You said it wouldn't be, I think it would. It is emotional and commentative either way. And I typically think of emotional things as intelligent (I typically just like deep psychological commentary).

Nah, this is me fr I hate myself more than anything and 2nd hate is everyone it's equality :)

Coming back to this a year or so later and actually I do agree with this. This song feels like a kid understanding that the society around him is a certain way, he can't seem to pick up on it for one reason or another and he's crying out to himself to figure it out because he can feel himself slipping into apathy or something worse and he doesn't want that to happen.

can i have a tldr lol

this song changed my life, and that happened all because i realised the true meaning i lost all my personality through school, i was in a terrible place where i hated school, and i hated myself. i gave up on myself. then i listened to this song, and i read the comments, and i then i rewatched the song again. and i understood the meaning, not the mesning everyone took away from it. i realised that school sucks, yes, but that *i* was the one who gave up on myself, because school never cared. i just assumed they cared, and that they didnt care once i wasnt “gifted” anymore- no. they never cared, and i have up. *i* stopped caring about myself. and that reframed my entire way of thinking with the world. i found myself again, and i took time to explore who i was myself, rather than what school thought i should be. in that time i realised alot about myself, i came to terms with my gender identity, i understood why i had always never been made to fit the molds i was expected to be in, and my graded dropped dramatically. but after i finished my introspective depressed period, i came out the other end so so much happier. and now that im happier, im getting good grades again. im working my way back up through class, i have friends, i am confident to be happy in my interests, and i can help my friends and other students through these realisations. i could have spent forever crying to this songs misunderstood meaning, but im so so glad i didnt. Lost ones weeping really has changed my life, just like Tokyo Teddy Bear, and for that i will forever support Neru in whatever his creative endeavours want him to do, even if it wasnr something i came to him for. thankyou for making this video

Ye it's like saying it's jews' fault if they all died because they gave up.... Bro what can a 10-12 even 16 yo student do about it? His fault? I honestly disagree. The system is wrong, not the student. The students are the victims here. He broke because of the system, sure, you can say he gave up so it's his fault. If you think so, you could say cyberbullism and death threats are not a problem because if you are not "weak" you shouldn't "*word youtube doesn't like*" right??? It's your fault after all.... -.- PS: yes, he's blaming himself but doesn't mean he should. i can see that scene as: students will blame themselves in the end because of this system, and will remain empty after that... And guess what happens in that culture when you start blaming yourself, feeling useless and empity? Ah yes, a additional memory, i almost additional forgot.

@biichann6833

2 жыл бұрын

did...you just compare vocaloid to the Holocaust?

I literally thought that I was just making up this interpretation cause no one else had it 💀. Like I thought that like I interpreted the ending as the blame being on oneself but that was just MY interpretation and probably wasnt the tru meaning 💀💀

@unwrittenchronicles

2 жыл бұрын

i also think that is the true meaning but it depends. acknowledge your own mistakes is important, but sometimes people confuse you and put blame one people that is not meant for you by their belief system. getting straight what is yours and what is not in that case is important :/

I agree and the song’s meaning is pointing out the system is flawed and it’s unfair but you have no one else to blame for you giving up and most people don’t want to admit they are in fault and so it’s overlooked and I understand not wanting you to be at fault but if you give up it’s on you and you can’t put blame on something else when it’s your fault that’s just it is you can’t change that

ignore all the comments naysaying theyre just proving you right lmao. finally someone gets it

Oh my gosh, THANK you for getting the message of this song across. Vocaloid is such an amazing medium of sending a message or telling a story, and when people only see it at a surface level or needlessly tie it to a fandom or character that doesnt fit it in the slightest, it feels wrong and like people don’t care for the song in the first place, only what they see as “relatable.” I definitely see the Lost One’s Weeping in a much different light now, and i definitely appreciate it a lot more now because of it.

not gonna lie i did not realise that people didnt realise this, i just thought everyone was agreeing that it was in part our own faults