The most important concept in ALL of poker: EV | GTOx ABCs
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At some point, you’ve likely heard the conventional wisdom that beginners and players at lower stakes should not learn GTO. However, since GTO defines fundamentally sound strategies, this advice is actually paradoxical. In this video we explore how GTO can and should be learned by players at all stakes and of all experience levels, by focusing on the core function of a solver, which is to maximize EV. As the old saying goes, it's better to have GTO and not need it, then to need it and not have it…
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GTOx : gtox.io/
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David Yei who submitted this hand. We will be hooking you up once GTOx launches.
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Good analysis and well played by the villain.
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the hand! In case I forget, please email me after GTOx launches.
@xxChacaronXX
3 жыл бұрын
@@FindingEquilibrium Any new info on release dates yet? :O
Still the best poker strategy content on the net. Great video. When can we look forward to the release of GTOX?
The clearest definition of what is a solver and explanation to GTO ever.
This video could go in a package with the Exploitative poker is just bad node locking, and the argument in favor of GTO at any stake is set. Great video and still reaaaaaalllllllyyyyyy waiting on GTOx!
About 3 months into gto. i watched all of ur videos from start to about 1 year ago and then rewatched them all to absorb again. I am finally understanding deeply. I will be the next linus lol
Very great video, thanks! ..and the ABC theme was hell funny too!
Excellent content. You said the only thing that changes with an unbalanced opponent is the cutoff point, but that’s not the only thing. Another thing is you wouldn’t need a mixed strategy (I.e., in regards to bluff catching, you could either fold or call all the time with the bluff catchers, as opposed to mixing the strategy as per the solver). Another point in favor of using GTO, even when you “know” the villain isn’t bluffing, is that in real life competent players won’t have a “fixed defect,” but will be adjusting their strategies based on what you do.
4:25 never thought id see RDP sneak into a FE vid. As usual he's spot on about GTO though
I'm a simple man. When I'm underrepped, I call vs aggressive actions.
No se ingles del todo, no juego poker, pero esto es increíblemente placentero de escuchar para todo aquel que encuentre un gusto en el pensamiento lógico. Saludos, gracias por el contenido.
Will GTOx provide ideal ranges for every preflop scenario instead of manually having to input them?
Good to know these adjustment through the ending of the videos. Would you mind explaining how and what adjustments to apply upon the gto strategy by different player for exploiting? Also, how to apply in real world the rough gto strategy after you have reviewed the hand through solver before after conceiving general ranges of opponents and yours,e.g. Counting the rough amount of defending frequency and bluff catching frequency needed with exact combos
well done, good use of tables and keeping the "math" as simple as possible. nice job
great videos! thanks!
Best Video I've watched in 2020.
This makes a ton of sense and is very different than what I thought GTO was used for. I thought it was just running and them memorizing a bunch of different spots. Is there a good resource to learn more about this approach?
Signed up for updates on GTOx any timeline for it coming out?
Great introduction to GTO and why it's fundamental to poker!
Do you have a rough estimate for the release date of GTOx? I'm contemplating purchasing PioSolver but if your product will be released soon I will probably hold out. Please let me know!
Every player, regardless of stake, should incorporate solvers into their study. There are 3 key reasons for this: 1. You understand optimal strategies for when you progress through the stakes, permitting the ability to play effectively against good players 2. You recognise when your opponent is utilising a strategy which deviates from a solver solution and can easily adjust to maximise EV 3. You can print money 😋
I love your channel, please do more analysis about cash games
Best free poker content by far
Great video! Does anyone know of a channel similar for PLO as well?
Interesting video, one thing which strikes me is the uncertainty regarding frequencies: How does one determine GTO bet frequencies?
Nice video!
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pads!
Is your GTOx good for tournaments as well for cash games? thanks
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
Upon launch, the initial focus may be on cash, but it will definitely be for tournament players as well.
Theres something i don't understand about GTO poker strategies. In Rock Paper Scissors when player A plays balanced (make each move 33%of the time randomly) it doesn't matter what player B does, both players have 0 EV. Is that also true in poker? Because most people on youtube seem to say, that if Player A plays GTO Poker, Player B needs to play GTO Poker too or player Bs strategy will have negative EV. Wich one is it? Or do i misunderstand something profoundly?
so if we take the simplified strategy of bluff catching any A with a diamond or heart. im not sure i understand the significance of the Ah vs Ac. is it that unblocking potential bluffs with Ax of clubs is more valuable than blocking the one value combo of ATcc where as having the A of diamonds gives us the best of both worlds. thanks for all the great content
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
I misspoke and meant to say that the best blockers are Ac and Ad. I tried to correct it in the video with an asterisk, but I think I said it a few times.
@wholesumnutrition2204
3 жыл бұрын
@@FindingEquilibrium thanks. my general framework for bluff catching is that i look at our hand strength, our blockers to villains value range and if we unblock villains bluffing range. in a polarized spot like this where villains value range is very narrow the importance of our hand strength goes down, blockers to villains value range goes up and unblocking bluffs is important but generally less important than blocking value. so if we took a combo like AA. we would likely call AdAc first, then Ad,As/AcAh etc, and call least (if at all) with AsAh. in a less polarized spot where villains value range is much wider the importance of our hand strength goes up, blockers to value goes down and unblocking bluffs becomes more significant. this helps me in game to adjust to different opponents e.g. vs a tighter player who bluffs less often we can just call our best bluff catchers and vs a looser bluff heavy opponent we can maybe call all our bluff catchers and of course anything in between. does this sound reasonable to you? thanks for your response and again really enjoy the content!
Will GTOx be available on Mac dear sir?
@pokerandphilosophy8328
3 жыл бұрын
It's a web based application and so should be platform independent.
It works good in the short term and I make $300/day doing it at a $2-$3 $300 limit game
well i never knew that ABCs is that hard -_-
Isn't it GTO that if our opponent is underbluffing at all it means we get to fold all of our bluff catchers without being exploitable since bluff catchers are 0EV calls against an optimal bluff frequencies and immediately become -EV once villain is underbluffing?
@pokerandphilosophy8328
3 жыл бұрын
This is only true in a idealized toy game, on the river, where all of our bluff catchers win again all of villain's bluffs and lose against all of their value bets. Even in that case, bluff catchers only have exactly zero EV when they don't have any blocking effect on Villain's value or bluffing ranges. In more realistic river situations, when Villain is underbluffing only moderately, there still may be bluff catchers that are +EV for us to bluff catch with when they block part of their value range, unblock part of their bluffing range, and/or beat more of their bluffs. (In normal river situations, some of our "bluff catchers" lose to some of villain's "bluffs").
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
The truly indifferent hands will fold and the +EV bluffcatchers may as well depending on how much villain is underbluffing. However, as a practical matter it may be hard to know how much villain is underbluffing and where your own cutoff points are. Also, in theory, villain can always adjust.
This is pointless when it requires you to enter villain's strategy. Like how would I use this program to calculate the GTO raise first in range from the LJ
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't require you to enter villain's strategy. The program comes with default, pre-solved preflop ranges which you can modify.
It is usually a mistake to use MDF on the river. Sometimes on some river runouts solver always fold when checked first and villain always bluff with all hands with no showdown value. However, you can use MDF if you consider all possible river runouts and in that case, on some runouts, you will call way more than MDF and in some cases, you will always fold when you check first. Also using MDF on a certain flop is really a mistake. On some flops, you defend less than MDF and on other flops, you defend more. Overall it is MDF but not on any specific flop. That is why using MDF analysis is a mistake except when defending PF.
@knowlestoo
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, MDF really comes out of toy games when learning GTO at a level you can sit down and calculate yourself. Switch to the real game and the size quickly explodes beyond what you can calculate by hand and, when solvers do the calculations for us they show us that maximising EV means paying very little to no attention to MDF. It's like a side show, you've got to defend enough but EV isn't linear enough to simply turn into a frequency based off bet sizes.
@pokerandphilosophy8328
3 жыл бұрын
Finding Equilibrium makes it very clear at 17:00 that the MDF formula can't be applied precisely in most cases, even on the river, since players seldom have a perfectly polarized range against a perfectly consensed range.
Didn’t watch yet. Busy right now but I was so looking forward to your next video! Can’t wait to watch later today.
the most important concept is to burn or get rid of plastic including debit cards.. in the heat of the moment you torch much more money than you need to
I think I already do this naturally
Seems like GTO works best when you have hand history on your opponents and the more you play against the same opponent the more GTO will help with their tendencies of certain spots
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
Actually GTO will be most profitable when you don't have any information on your opponent. If you have good information about a weakness of your opponent, it would be more profitable to deviate from the baseline GTO strategy to take advantage of the weakness. My point in the second half of the video was that even in that scenario, the principles we learn from studying GTO still are applicable.
@ericpetersen4185
3 жыл бұрын
Ah that makes sense, so GTO is a baseline for +EV across all players in holdem, it’s nice to know the +EV spots but also nice that NL holdem will never be “Solved” like limit holdem, that’s what makes the game so fun, if it was “Solved” then it takes all the thinking aspects out of the game, in from MN and limit games are dying and spread limit games are in the rise because MN doesn’t allow NL unless it’s a tournament
It is pretty funny that still in 2020 people view GTO as an inferior way to approach the game. That kind of logic is somewhat comparable to thinking that our planet is flat or denying the fact that 1+1=2, the possible comparisons for an example are quite endless. It takes a huge amount of ignorance and stupidity to go against facts that have been proven with different schools of science. GTO is a way of life
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
This is funny because I've actually thought of people that totally reject GTO as poker's version of flat earthers. In fairness, I think part of the issue is just a miscommunication, where when people hear "GTO" they assume it means memorizing sims and applying the strategies indiscriminately regardless of what the opponent is doing. But I think anyone that actually has a good understanding of theory doesn't actually play that way.
@you393
3 жыл бұрын
Then what you have to say about people like bryn kenny and charlie Carrell who are still very successful.
@rolandorogers8711
3 жыл бұрын
Anecdotes =/= Facts
@ptantonioalves
3 жыл бұрын
@@you393 well Kenney was busto and with debts from staking deal at the beggining of his amazing year. He ran incredibly well in the big tourneys he played and put almost all of his bankroll to buy-in on his biggest win. If he do not cash in that tourney he would be busto again. It s not really an exemple. Carrell who?
@you393
3 жыл бұрын
@@ptantonioalves i dont buy that and even if it was true he still he is one of the best player so i dont know what are you trying to say or prove. your reply dosent make much sense if i think about it
I want access to GTOx... like now... please!?!?!
@jamesevans2507
3 жыл бұрын
"let me consoom !!!!11!!!!"
Is it just me? The scrolling makes me dizzy after one or two times. Maybe use screenshot swipe after the first scroll... Sorry, it just made it hard to concentrate on the message, as the content is interesting. 🍻🍻
I will beat Mariano y Rampage soon!!
This video gets at the "trick" to GTO play. You literally can't play GTO by memorizing solutions that you can't compute in a lifetime. You have to find a human connection to the math to execute it. Linus Love said that almost precisely. That of course he wasn't calculating things on the fly, but after thousands of analyzed hands he started to "get it"
This video would be way better if you could scroll through things on the screen, we’re trying to read, way faster. I almost could actually read at 2% of the total video
@pokerandphilosophy8328
3 жыл бұрын
If you're watching on a PC, pressing the spacebar pauses/unpauses the video, so you can read at your leisure. Alternatively, you can Google the title of the displayed articles and find them easily.
You sir, have 200 IQ
I've never met you. I dont know who exactly who you are. I dont know how you look like. Also I am not in love with your voice (even tough its not terrible at all), but: I love you... - oh wait that sounds a bit wierd, right? So I better randomize and balance it out: I love your talent of beeing so insanely precise in a tough topic enviroment like Poker. Your Videos are def every f*** time the max-EV investment of time on KZread as a Poker Player. Pls never bluffshove against the KZread-Algorithm or myself at a Poker Table. Highly appreciated. Thx.
You just crushed Charlie Carrel
@alfredolb3862
3 жыл бұрын
Charlie Carrel has1.5 mill in profit online(mtts alone)in like 6000 games and 10m in cashes live, wtf are you talking about
@LucasdeMaria1
3 жыл бұрын
@@alfredolb3862 He keeps joking about GTO constantly. Winning some high stakes donkaments means nothing. The day he plays NL40k vs Llinus or Limitless he will have some respect.
EV aka 'How likely you are to win' is the most important concept in poker? Isn't this just fancy talk for the completely obvious?
@FindingEquilibrium
3 жыл бұрын
Knowing what EV generally means may be obvious, but I think there are a lot of people that don't know how it is actually calculated - and even less people that have a framework that translates the formula into a useable decision-making protocol. You may know all of this already, but that's why this series is called GTOx ABCs :).
@JohnSmith-su3ze
3 жыл бұрын
@@FindingEquilibrium "a framework that translates the formula into a useable decision-making protocol" Good point!
I just get into the hand and see the flop for the least amount of money and best hand people
Не хуя не понял, но очень интересно 😄
4th :-( typical 2020 nonsense
what are TALKING about bro. 25/50 is not low stakes.
2nd
0:55 Nice to see Blackrain getting called out. Can't believe that charlatan is still making a living peddling his BS 2010 strat.
OMG 😍💋 💝💖❤️
All of this analysis is complete rubbish it doesn’t matter what strategy a player enters the pool in 2020 online GG Stars 888 he or she is immediately targeted by high level cheaters working in groups and no matter how good you are you will not beat it, hence why u get all these idiots doing KZread vids, why ? Because they can’t beat the game so they extract money from fools, ask yourself this would a magician who is really successful give away all his tricks??????
@pokerandphilosophy8328
3 жыл бұрын
Of course, you're perfectly right. It's just like all of those rubbish medicine books. They just make up fake diseases in order to make Big Pharma rich. And don't get me started about civil engineers! What a bunch of scammers. They're just trying to sell you a bridge!
@ghostyff9183
3 жыл бұрын
Made 2k in 2 days applying these strategies. Sit down Darren
@darrenmaxwell3108
3 жыл бұрын
Come back when you record profits over 100k hands.... then I shall sit down 👍
@ghostyff9183
3 жыл бұрын
Ok Darren
This guy is such a nerd.
@kegdegha7421
3 жыл бұрын
seems like a genius
no doubt. You're very intelligent, but listening to you is nauseating. Never the less I will still try to learn from you since you know much more than I, but maybe consider that you don't have you jam a whole dictionary into each sentence. Which would allow you to get to the point much faster. sincerely, some random fish