The Most Complicated Deck I've Ever Played

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0:00 Introduction and framing device
3:11 The core of the deck
8:20 What makes the deck so complex?
11:16 Broader implications

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  • @ZraphinSteinbacker-vk2dv
    @ZraphinSteinbacker-vk2dvАй бұрын

    Snail is by far the most underrated MTG KZreadr.

  • @ry7hym

    @ry7hym

    Ай бұрын

    I wouldn't say underrated. I think he's pretty highly rated by the people that watch him. but not enough people watch him (yet)

  • @moxfrog3

    @moxfrog3

    Ай бұрын

    I think he is on the upswing and deserves it.

  • @davestier6247

    @davestier6247

    Ай бұрын

    He is galaxy brain levels compared to most

  • @garak55

    @garak55

    Ай бұрын

    It's true but also the bar is on the floor. Like who's out there who is likeable and knows about magic? The entire team of channel fireball are unsufferable. That fake geek girl in her liliana cosplay that sucks at drafting. The command zone who tell you to play 8 draw spells in your commander deck. That professor guy who looks like a nonce. Covertgoblue is ok and bryan kibler is a cool dude I guess but the others man...

  • @arthursmit8468

    @arthursmit8468

    Ай бұрын

    Dare i say the only good one i've seen so far (for edh)

  • @nathanielnickell7662
    @nathanielnickell7662Ай бұрын

    I have a friend who built this monstrosity of a commander from scratch. This deck is terrifying. At its core it avoids board wipes while generating value repeatedly. After krark clan and the altars were put in, it goes full combo, to the point the only way to interact with the deck is to instant speed exile the graveyard (and no one can ever even figure out when to use it.) This deck has stumped several cedh players and confounds casual players to the point in which it's ignored even while its winning. Super awesome deck and I love to see more videos posted on it. I dont recommend it unless you literally want to melt your brain though!

  • @ry7hym

    @ry7hym

    Ай бұрын

    that is brilliant

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah, Gerrard ends up being a really complex card as far as timings are concerned, and having sac outlets for both artifacts and creatures ends up making the deck difficult to play around if it's being piloted well.

  • @VoodooDuck

    @VoodooDuck

    Ай бұрын

    Jo we NEED a deck list bro

  • @kylemorin3945

    @kylemorin3945

    Ай бұрын

    Do you have a decklist? that sounds awesome.

  • @seankingmagic4639

    @seankingmagic4639

    Ай бұрын

    @@michaelmcdonald2005 the decklist in the video doesn't include krark clan. literally the whole video was about how that makes a completely different deck.

  • @cornchip8139
    @cornchip8139Ай бұрын

    This puts into words my deck building proccess in ways i never could. when people ask about my power level i always say " im gonna do silly stuff with strong cards "

  • @garak55

    @garak55

    Ай бұрын

    Oh that's so funny! I always say "I'm gonna do strong stuff with silly cards". Right now, I'm trying hard to replicate the worst deck from pre 2020 modern : GW boggles.

  • @__E__

    @__E__

    Ай бұрын

    I tried that, mostly because my pods are not very high power and I wanted to play with the cards I own. Turns out a force of will (or other bangers) always feels weird to play in the middle of a cute fiddly deck, both for the opponents and myself, regardless of the power. In my experience strong with silly works but the other way around doesn't.

  • @jakemf9771
    @jakemf9771Ай бұрын

    Everytime I watch a video like this, I feel like I don't know anything about making decks and I shouldn't make decks

  • @casketbase7750
    @casketbase7750Ай бұрын

    14:25 I really needed to hear this. I've spent literal years working on Ghen, Arcanum Weaver self-mill deck, but new commanders like Anikthea or Coram really discourage me because they do his shtick more efficiently in stronger colors. Has all my work been useless? Should I just abandon Ghen for the objective upgrades? No. I shouldn't. You're right that I shouldn't let "the things I really like get lost in the shuffle." If Jan Jansen can say no to Clock of Omens, I can say no to replacements for Ghen. Thank you for the encouragement. Sincerely.

  • @wydx120

    @wydx120

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah This reminds me of the many times I discussed my latest grouphug/maniac deck while it was still in progress. My main goal was to make a draw-heavy grouphug deck that could snatch a surprise win at some point by fiddling with the card draw (with the aforementioned Maniac, Jace Mysteries, and a Triskaidekaphile); and a couple other jumpscares for my opponents, like a secondary cloning theme and a Biovisionary. Every single person I showed the WIP decklist to, told me to add Thassa's Oracle. But then it wouldn't be a grouphug bant deck!! It would just be another run of the mill Thoracle combo deck, and a mediocre one at that!!! It was infuriating to say the least

  • @Lucarioguild7

    @Lucarioguild7

    Ай бұрын

    Sub optimal decks are way more fun imo, whether that's using a "worse" commander for a particular archetype or playing a powerful commander on a hyper budget.

  • @nasutoe
    @nasutoeАй бұрын

    11:48 I feel like that was directed straight at me, I recently converted my Myriim dragon combo deck into a Ziatora reanimator deck, after a series of games of either doing nothing because Myriim was removed enough or waiting until I was able basically playing my entire deck because of duplicated dragon etbs. The Myriim deck was not what I had hoped the deck would have been. I was hoping to make a dragon deck that would allow me to be a big threat on the board and winning through combat damage while eating some removal in the process. I was NOT hoping to just wait until I had enough mana and dragons to just draw and play my entire deck and kill everyone at once. It felt like when I had Myriim as my commander I was actively discouraged from playing dragons since why would I play a dragon now when if I wait 2 turns I could get a second copy for free? And the long turns and annoying amount of etb triggers to keep track of eventually led me to dismantling it. The Ziatora deck, while most probably less powerful is definitely more interesting to play. I can do dragon things and eat removal due to the reanimator sub theme. Still testing it but it’s more what I had hoped for in the deck.

  • @W0lfguard1997

    @W0lfguard1997

    Ай бұрын

    Funnily enough I had a sort of opposite experience. I started playing edh with big stompy (Morophon dragons) and last year I built an Ovika deck all about playing cards with a much higher cmc than you need to pay, to make lots of tokens combined with efficient ramp. Then I made the mistake of including sac outlets for the gobbos. It has turned into a combo deck that almost surely kills if an altar hits the board after ovika is in play (which tends to happen when you ramp it out on 4 because noone wants to pay ward 3): 1. almost every spell creates more goblins and therefore mana than it's cost 2. blue is really good at drawing loads of cards 3. Red is really good at turning lots of mana into lots of face damage It ended up being one of my favorite decks (although it could probably handle about 10 or so counterspells to protect the gameplan instead of going all in on value)

  • @MisterWebb

    @MisterWebb

    Ай бұрын

    My Ziatora deck is elemental kindred Primal Surge

  • @SamHuggins
    @SamHugginsАй бұрын

    Good Lord, $8 KCI sounds amazing. Also just wanna say you're one of my current favorite MTG channel snail, love the content :)

  • @OmegaFerretMusic
    @OmegaFerretMusicАй бұрын

    the mollusk giveth

  • @garak55

    @garak55

    Ай бұрын

    May he never taketh away

  • @sakurasawa77
    @sakurasawa77Ай бұрын

    Your videos are all incredible in selling an idea for deck building. The Radha video was so incredible that made my friend create a Temur Doctor deck with the same idea, and this video showed me how a sacrifice Boros deck could actually work out.

  • @lancesmith8298

    @lancesmith8298

    Ай бұрын

    And in turn, while the actual gears of the engine might look different compared to what’s on offer in Boros with Gerard, non-exile creature board wipes might be the secret sauce that makes my Teysa Karlov Rally the Ancestors deck work without being just a worse Storm deck.

  • @creditroll176
    @creditroll176Ай бұрын

    i think this is my favorite video on edh ever. every one of your videos makes me want to build the deck you talk about, but this is something else. its so cool and complicated and the way you talk about it makes so much sense. absolutely going to join the patreon

  • @adamxue6096
    @adamxue6096Ай бұрын

    That poor card at the end got violated, that is both funny and horrifying

  • @TemporallyAnarchaic
    @TemporallyAnarchaicАй бұрын

    I recently just updated and rebuilt my Breya Eggs list from 2017/2018. I missed it. Eggs, in all forms, is absurdly complex unless you’re taking the easy combo outs. And sometimes that’s a thing. I find that I more often find the way more complex lines. The modern day version gets to run God-Eternal Bontu and Pitiless Carnage in addition to Reprocess and Paradoxical Outcome. Obviously I’m also on KCI, but I also can go off with Breya and Scrap Trawler doing shenanigans in tandem. Or Displacer Kitten and Teferi, Time Raveler. There’s also a lot of overlap once combo density starts to ramp up to those levels. At that point, the eggs deck becomes a game of recognizing jank. I had a game the other day where Saheeli, Sublime Artificer looped in with Sol Ring, Displacer Kitten, Lotus Petal, Scrap Trawler, Sword of the Meek, and Breya to yield an unbound mana and servo creation engine. Recognizing that all those pieces fit together in an engine that is usually far more simple is what I love about decks like this. There are easy combos, but more often you tend to find the six or seven card lines that kinda sorta work the same way because there’s some complex redundancy that exists almost as an accident. It’s like sifting through a junkyard looking for stuff that fits together just well enough to be useful.

  • @Bladius_

    @Bladius_

    Ай бұрын

    My breya deck isn't eggs, but it's very similar, I call it a "combo trash pile" . It's a pile of stuff that eventually lines up into a combo. There are straight forward combos, Nim deathmantle for example, but over time I've just discovered "oh, that's a loop" while mid turn. It's running quite a lot of high power control magic though, as my brother and I play very cutthroat with each other. I'm looking to depower it in some areas when I get around to it; cards like balance and armageddon are admittedly unfun when not playing vs very tuned ramp decks that can handle the setback.

  • @admiralcasperr
    @admiralcasperrАй бұрын

    12:35 Along years playong various versions of eggs, I can confidently say that with KCI it devolves into a "protect the Ironworks" minigame. That's th reason I ditched all my KCI decks except a Teshar cEDH which isn't as much of an eggs deck as it is a infinite combo deck.

  • @St33ldancer
    @St33ldancer29 күн бұрын

    I generally imagine my decks complexity based on how easy it would be to give to another player and have them pilot it decently well. I prefer fairly complex, but not necessarily top tier decks that have many lines of play and innate complexity in interactions the cards have with each other. And of course, the most rewarding bit is when you find new lines and strategies mid game that you didnt spot until the situation called for it. When my decks can do that, I know I've crafted a masterpiece, regardless of its actual win rate, because I'll always have fun piloting a deck like that, one that really requires me to KNOW the deck.

  • @joeybelasco
    @joeybelascoАй бұрын

    I would love to see a snail video on the topic of choosing your commander

  • @masterhedgemon5381
    @masterhedgemon5381Ай бұрын

    Once again its Hans cooking

  • @GageTheMage2003
    @GageTheMage2003Ай бұрын

    Hey! Great Break down! I have real aspirations to build like an at home boardgame of all the dual (Or tri colors) but I love this deck boros artifact is something I really like and I like th price point of these decks, hope you do a series on all ten to see your thought process on the updates

  • @tillfreitag4446
    @tillfreitag4446Ай бұрын

    thanks for making these videos! fav mtg youtuber

  • @joachimpearson4892
    @joachimpearson4892Ай бұрын

    I built a similar deck last year with "Shimatsu, the bloodcloaked" as my commander, partnered with the Prismatic Piper to gain access to white. My favourite memory of the deck was when another player wandered over to our table one turn after I had my Second Sunrise countered. They asked me "How did you die?" whilst I was still playing. I had just sacrificed everything to Shimatsu; lands and all, so my only permanent was a 20/20 demon sitting alone in the centre of the playmat. It looked exactly like I'd shuffled up and was waiting for the next game to start. To this day it's the funniest board-state I've ever seen. My biggest learning with that deck was that I needed to cut a lot of the classic 1 mana eggs that sacrifice themselves to draw a card. 2 mana permanents that replace themselves on etb are often way better and easier to play; they allow you to keep up your card velocity and also stick around for your second sunrise turns. Could be a good edit for the Gerrard deck to simplify some of those decision trees.

  • @ChuckGrossFitness
    @ChuckGrossFitnessАй бұрын

    This is the first content I've seen of yours! Awesome!! Do you by chance have a version that's the unlimited budget? I love eggs.

  • @TwintailNami
    @TwintailNamiАй бұрын

    I used to have an Osgir Eggs deck. Fun stuff. Without paradoxical outcome effects it's not as easy to work, but having tools like reservoir and ignite memories it could be done.

  • @chillinon3263
    @chillinon3263Ай бұрын

    The Necrologia mention brings me joy. I lovingly call it bAd Nauseam in my Amalia deck because I'm always paying like 20 life for 20 cards. Even with its strict timing restriction, the hand sculpting wins me so many games

  • @MoonshadowFTapflE
    @MoonshadowFTapflEАй бұрын

    this was a very creative outro!

  • @nicholasrichard6847
    @nicholasrichard6847Ай бұрын

    I have a glissa, the traitor deck that kind of fits under this same umbrella, although it mostly works because my playgroup has a LOT of token decks. I might add more wipes to it now though, for a bit more reliability. Also, access to things like marionette master and pitiless plunderer does help quite a bit

  • @MajorLeagueNerd
    @MajorLeagueNerd22 күн бұрын

    Your videos are great and make me want to get far more creative with my deck building. I'm still new and EDHrec is my crutch. Any tips on how to get better/more creative with deck building?

  • @AvACircus
    @AvACircusАй бұрын

    Gosh your videos have been extremely helpful from start to finish every single time. I feel like this alot when I am building decks or thinking of fun new idea, but I was always terrible with words in how to express my decision making. Thank you!

  • @1lovIt
    @1lovItАй бұрын

    Would be nicer in this video to have the cards enlarged, the text way too small to read. A no wait, I can enlarge the screen with my fingers. 👌

  • @Tsarius11
    @Tsarius11Ай бұрын

    scrambling eggs with an egg. Impressive.

  • @icelord7598
    @icelord7598Ай бұрын

    Great, I never understood how it worked even after looking though it

  • @claytonwilde5750
    @claytonwilde5750Ай бұрын

    I remember you mentioning multivalent combos in one of your other videos (I think it was the winning the game one) is this the kind of thing you were referring too or is that something else when I heard it I immediately thought persist combo, either way, would love to see a video on how one would go about constructing a multi-valent combo deck

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    I recall coming up the phrase multivalent combo family and using it in a semi-jokey context because it sounded dramatic, but what I was thinking of was cEDH decks with several different combos that all share some common fulcrums and whose pieces interact with one another in a variety of different ways. The best example of this is Sisay cEDH decks--these decks will generally have flicker engines that can be grabbed by the commander (such as Aminatou) as their centerpiece, but there are countless combos that branch off of these. Some of these combos can play around ETB stax, some can play around artifact stax like Ouphe, some of these can play around creature ability stax like Cursed Totem, and so on, and this makes the deck very flexible and resilient. I'd say that sort of deck exists in a similar territory to this one, though eggs decks will generally be principally stopped by exactly one type of hate, which is instant speed graveyard hate. If opponents have a lot of that you're in trouble, though if opponents have only a single piece of it, it's possible to play around it and mitigate a lot of the damage it'll inflict on your gameplan (though a misplay against a piece of graveyard hate can lead to getting utterly blown out).

  • @waywardScarecrow
    @waywardScarecrowАй бұрын

    Easily my favorite magic youtuber

  • @mees8711
    @mees8711Ай бұрын

    I hear you got sick towards the end of this video. Hope its not too bad and you’re feeling better (if not then soon!)

  • @bohdanjoza
    @bohdanjozaАй бұрын

    Incredibly interesting videos, I'm very glad I discovered this channel

  • @RxBriggs
    @RxBriggsАй бұрын

    I would LOVE to see Hanz Chainer deck. I've been looking to build a budget version of him.

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    Here's the decklist, it's pretty budget even with some pricy acceleration and graveyard tutors: www.archidekt.com/decks/6090004/chainer_slay_the_spire

  • @Thomas-vn6cr
    @Thomas-vn6crАй бұрын

    Sounds really similar to my Brion Stoutarm deck. Or at least along the lines of what I would like it to be doing.

  • @Nick-qb9zv
    @Nick-qb9zvАй бұрын

    looks like a hella sweet deck.

  • @daredewley9231
    @daredewley9231Ай бұрын

    New snail lore

  • @snek8421
    @snek8421Ай бұрын

    oohh yes good content, can't wait to engage with it

  • @HaakonSuelzle-lh9yc
    @HaakonSuelzle-lh9ycАй бұрын

    ALL HAIL THE SNAIL

  • @burningpapersun1
    @burningpapersun1Ай бұрын

    Kci making broken decks even more broken. A tale as old as time.

  • @frederik1201
    @frederik1201Ай бұрын

    Thank you for your time! And mindfully Thoughts!

  • @lordbumus6087
    @lordbumus6087Ай бұрын

    Osgir feels like it helps a bunch

  • @david21216
    @david21216Ай бұрын

    Damn hurts to hear my windgrace deck put so plainly. I used a list that was very low to the ground, and over time replacing cards, I have definitely lost out on almost all the cards I enjoyed playing through that process. But squandered resources and gitrog was too cool for me to pass up (ive never cast either cards).

  • @jonashoneyman-colvin6699
    @jonashoneyman-colvin6699Ай бұрын

    the snail supply

  • @austinsmith4730
    @austinsmith4730Ай бұрын

    The snail posts and I watch, best edh content on the internet. Can’t wait for the next one man!

  • @Pyroshax
    @PyroshaxАй бұрын

    BTW I don't know who needs to hear this, but for lands players, second sunrise and faith's reward are additional splendid reclamation effects for bigger combo turns.

  • @luckyowl9191
    @luckyowl9191Ай бұрын

    15:55 the draw is lower power, shows treasure cruise lol

  • @MRAIClassroom
    @MRAIClassroomАй бұрын

    Snailmyster! Can’t wait to hear what ya cooked up!

  • @MoonshadowFTapflE

    @MoonshadowFTapflE

    Ай бұрын

    Eggs.

  • @Vrezmo
    @VrezmoАй бұрын

    I would love to learn more about the other decks for this experiment you guys did, me and my friend have started doing something similar after watching your last video but we're making the three colored combinations instead!

  • @RocketTheMinifig
    @RocketTheMinifigАй бұрын

    I’m currently building a rakdos stax treasure egg deck and this has been instrumentally validating just to hear someone describe an egg card as like… even existing. I was trying to describe them to my pod and no one even believed that “”eggs”” existed, it was just this…. Thing, this quirk of some archetype of artifacts that they found worked. Goblin firebomb? Oh thats just super slow removal. Sleep dart? Thats just a stun card. Conjurer’s bauble? Why would you play that? Thank you for the tech but mostly the validation.

  • @YakubTheKid
    @YakubTheKidАй бұрын

    THE SNAIL GIVETH

  • @SirDanyTheWarrior
    @SirDanyTheWarriorАй бұрын

    I too play Jan Jansen without infinite combos... It definitely feels like trigger hell sometimes, but hey, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do (throw an army of buffed constructs at an opponent's face)

  • @stevenkirton6373
    @stevenkirton6373Ай бұрын

    When that years commanders decks where spoiled I sae him and thought eggs right away. My group hated it and begged me to take it apart

  • @derekpreston1989
    @derekpreston1989Ай бұрын

    These are the types of deck discussions that need to exist, great video

  • @FyrebirdLP
    @FyrebirdLPАй бұрын

    Hans sounds like an absolute madman. We need to see more of his crazy creations!!

  • @aidangray7087
    @aidangray7087Ай бұрын

    Does Hans have a moxfield account?

  • @mitchelldkirby
    @mitchelldkirbyАй бұрын

    Complete bullshit and super convoluted. Liked and subbed - I need more.

  • @iniquumiudicium811
    @iniquumiudicium811Ай бұрын

    One of the big issues in my playgroup is that they all tend to play powerful cards and powerful decks so anything that isn't up to quo will fail. I spent a while cooking up some kind of selesnya midrange reanimator with Shalai, Voice of Plenty to prevent a lot of wincons from going off too easily. It shifted and it's now a toolbox commander deck that locks out interaction from opponents through creatures. A sort of "I'm not gonna lose the game" idea, it's neat

  • @jackcois6077

    @jackcois6077

    Ай бұрын

    It's not just a "I'm not going to lose the game idea" you have become a Stax player. Rocco caberetti caterer might be a cool commander for you to look into if you enjoy this toolbox style of game or Jetmir if you want a consistent way to close out games.

  • @thatmtgnerd
    @thatmtgnerdАй бұрын

    One of my fav mtg channels.

  • @Thomas-vn6cr
    @Thomas-vn6crАй бұрын

    14:24 the amount of new players I've seen go through this process and then get bored of the game as a result is just tragic. By spending more they only accelerated their burnout.

  • @JakeTheJay
    @JakeTheJayАй бұрын

    This deck reminds me of my slimefoot and squee deck, where it was a reanimator aristocrats deck that is capable to pivoting to almost any strategy type it wants. It can combo, it can go wide, it can go tall, it can grind, it can go aggro, and it's also surprisingly resilient to graveyard hate. It's become one of my favorite decks I've brewed but sadly my friends don't really like combo existing so I don't play it often with them. I love this style of deck and I want to build more of them sometime. A more budget build of that style of deck could be fun

  • @twistedtachyon5877

    @twistedtachyon5877

    Ай бұрын

    That sounds like exactly what I want from that deck. I've got a pile of stuff on my table as a starting point for it ... Really oughta get that thing built.

  • @JakeTheJay

    @JakeTheJay

    Ай бұрын

    @@twistedtachyon5877 Funniest part is that my deck became that way on accident. I simply added some saproling cards to make sure my commander can't get stuck in grave and things kinda just went from there

  • @laytonjr6601

    @laytonjr6601

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@JakeTheJayI did the same thing on Arena: I wanted a commander to play all my saprolings cards and Slimefoot and Squee is the only Jund saproling cars on Arena. Having only Ashnod's Altar and not Phyrexian Altar is painful however

  • @giocommentary
    @giocommentaryАй бұрын

    11:25 my most expensive deck is a Hazezon Tamar Token naya deck that plays itself. 0 brain power required, play ramp play big scary stuff, turn sideways. one of my pet decks is relatively cheap without the expensive stuff i've put into it, its a Tasha Dimir deck that plays opponents cards to disrupt or copy them. it is one of the hardest decks to play that i've ever made because every card in your deck that steals something from your opponent gives you so much choice. knowing your opponents decks or themes helps, the more experienced of a player you are the better you'll be able to pilot the deck. inherently not possessing a wincon of its own you have to scramble it together by using the knowledge you have of your opponents. i completely turned the meta of my playgroup around when i made a Sol'kanar the Tainted Goad deck. incredibly cheap to make, incredibly fun and effective. force your opponents to hit each other whilst buffing their creatures or for example not allowing them to block. no creatures to goad? play commander get card value, donate to opponent and goad XD inspired by Disrupt Decorum. cards like the eye tyrant, barrityl entertainer, firkraag, bloodthirsty blade, Geode rager, homeward path, i personally LOVE confusion in the ranks, brand, thieves auction, donate someone a Rakdos the defiler or a Blim comedic genius then goad it and watch it burn...

  • @bluesight_
    @bluesight_Ай бұрын

    I built this deck too a few years ago and it has remained one of my favorite and most interesting to play.

  • @cursedluigi
    @cursedluigiАй бұрын

    I always thought "eggs" as a name for a deck archetype specifically referred to cards with exactly 0 mana value, because the 0 in the casting cost was an egg shape... It sounds stupid looking back on it...

  • @siosilvar

    @siosilvar

    Ай бұрын

    Not unreasonable. Cheeri0s got its name from the shape of 0 and the tradition of naming combo decks after breakfast foods.

  • @Fedetoro
    @FedetoroАй бұрын

    Exists a non-budget list of this deck?

  • @davidrosenberg9615
    @davidrosenberg9615Ай бұрын

    I used to play it with the goal of turboing out an Obliterate while having plenty of mana rocks with the goal of restabilizing faster than opponents. I stopped playing it because folks dislike MLD. Who knew?

  • @oogaboek5659
    @oogaboek5659Ай бұрын

    So I built a gerald deck a few months ago on moxfield. Not 25 budget but also not too expensive. I really like the deck itself but after playtesting a few games in the moxfield playtester I felt the deck would not be too fun to play because of the long turns (I live comboing but its just the feeling of making your opponents wait that sucks, same with my zada deck) and might get repetitive quick. I didnt end up building the deck but this video gives me second thoughts. What do you think? Is Gerald fun enough?

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    Gerrard is fun if you like fiddly combo decks. Hans loved playing the deck back in the day, whereas that playstyle mostly just stresses me out. As for the time thing, I imagine that would improve with practice and experience. I recommend goldfishing with a deck like that a bunch so you don't need to figure out any of the more basic lines on the fly.

  • @felixschoe3074
    @felixschoe3074Ай бұрын

    Queen Kayla is THE one commander I always wanted to play as an EGG commander!! feels like the perfect alternative with Gerrard as the WINcon.

  • @thetwixlord
    @thetwixlordАй бұрын

    I am still a beginner magic player, so I would love to hear your thoughts on tribal decks in edh, especially slivers as there are only so many different sliver cards printed. I mention it because you happened to briefly mention slivers in this video. I have an upgraded sliver gravemother precon, but I struggle with giving it flavour besides "add all the slivers". Keep up the good work with the videos! I am learning tonnes of stuff from your videos.

  • @TheKreve
    @TheKreveАй бұрын

    Hey funny Snail man, can you do a video about board wipes? and if you even need any in creature based decks? So often i see videos that says you need to run 4-5 board wipes as a rule but i am not so sure. I am also new to edh.

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    I made a video discussing board wipes back in September, but I didn't really touch on how many people should play. Whether or not they should be played in creature-heavy decks really depends on what sort of deck it is. If you're running an aggressive deck that can consistently threaten player kills by turn 6 or 7 (in a mid-power game), you might only want to add 1-2, or even none at all if you're playing a Voltron deck. On the other hand, if you're playing a slower, grindier deck that is likely to get overtaken by other players on board at some points in the game, running 3+ board wipes becomes a good idea.

  • @TheKreve

    @TheKreve

    Ай бұрын

    @@salubrioussnail my thought process was that my Kutzil deck mostly aims to grow tall and trample over creatures. To ensure that i need creature with higher than base power to draw more tempo.

  • @unseeliedream42
    @unseeliedream42Ай бұрын

    i hope the eggs were good >,>

  • @RronKarahoda
    @RronKarahodaАй бұрын

    A few videos ago, I mentioned I was building a Zaxara deck that was trying to do too many things - I finally figured out that what I really like about the deck was not having power cards that could make Zaxara's output as cranked as possible. Instead, it was having a suite of cards that cared about me playing noncreatures to create creature tokens, a suite of discount givers, and just the right amount of X spells to give me that hit of sweet sweet X heaven. Now, the 'hydra' is the deck itself, where the other heads are these suites that merely do a part of what Zaxara does, and it feels just right!

  • @cybersnap6072
    @cybersnap6072Ай бұрын

    I did this with Farid Entreprising Salvager and it's one of my favorite decks

  • @ws04
    @ws0429 күн бұрын

    RHYSTIC STUDIES MENTIONED

  • @SwedeRacerDC
    @SwedeRacerDCАй бұрын

    It was nice to see what this deck actually was. I have a very different kind of eggs deck...Atla Palani so I was curious as to what you meant by this being an eggs deck. I do agree that it's more fun to build with more unique options that work for your deck. Lots of great points

  • @NikitaGrygoryev
    @NikitaGrygoryevАй бұрын

    The idea that you can consciously lower the power level in selected aspects with keeping other high is brilliant. I've been doing something similar for some time and never realized that.

  • @giornojihyovanna8461
    @giornojihyovanna8461Ай бұрын

    I notice that the Zaxara commander deck has been mentioned in your multiple videos recently. I am curious as to how you would build Zaxara yourself, or what kind of path you think would be best for this particular big mana commander 🤔❤ could you do a video of that please?

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    I mention that one often because I helped my brother build a Zaxara deck so I have a decent base of knowledge base around the types of cards it uses, and because it's a great example of a commander that includes lots of "traps" for less experienced deckbuilders. One of these traps is are running too many amplifier cards like Doubling Season and not enough X-cost spells, which results in the deck being clunkier and ending up either doing nothing or pubstomping with little in-between. The other main trap is thoughtlessly including Freed from the Real, a card that turns your commander into a combo piece. This might be okay for some players, but it will cause opponents to kill Zaxara much more eagerly, which may be frustrating for a player who really just wants to do timmy hydra stuff. Here's the list I helped my brother build, though I should specify that Exponential Growth has since been cut as my brother felt like he'd had his fun with the card and no longer wanted it: www.archidekt.com/decks/5487164/biggo_xcost_goofballs

  • @soprettymuchthatsthewayitis
    @soprettymuchthatsthewayitisАй бұрын

    16:20 This is such a good point, when I build lower power decks to play with my friends, I usually build them with high tier interaction (an offer, swan song, swords, usually like 16+ pieces overall), and pretty good ramp (only 2 mana rocks, but no sol ring in non-green, or only 1 mana accelerants in green), but the core synergy and gameplan of the deck is usually weaker compared to the other players' decks. I still have a winrate above 75% with them because I've been playing the game for a lot longer than them, but the games feel good because it takes more effort for me to win, which somewhat balances out the skill, but I can also play table police and make sure other players aren't getting too far ahead. I like to separate my decks into interaction, ramp, engines, synergy, and wincons when thinking about my powerlevel, and can usually give each section its own powerlevel, and it's been really helpful for my deckbuilding.

  • @laytonjr6601

    @laytonjr6601

    Ай бұрын

    So in short, if you play a lower power Synergy/Wincon you're playing high power Everything Else to go with it

  • @soprettymuchthatsthewayitis

    @soprettymuchthatsthewayitis

    Ай бұрын

    @@laytonjr6601 I'd say that's a bit of a stretch, I just build my decks with high-power sensibilities towards how much of each thing I should run, and run efficient ramp/interaction, the rest of the deck is usually below what the rest of the table is in power level. The most high power piece of interaction I run in those decks is Swan Song, which tons of people run in low power, and I only run 2 mana rocks or 1 mana elves (no sol ring). I just don't run bad/no ramp/interaction. For example, I have a lowish powered Shorikai reanimator/polymorph deck. Azorius reanimator isn't great, and my wincon is just reanimate enough fatties to deal enough combat damage, but I'm running 18 pieces of interaction and 6 2 mana rocks.

  • @SeeHunde
    @SeeHundeАй бұрын

    yeah

  • @hbot2758
    @hbot2758Ай бұрын

    This reminds me of one of my most favorite decks I've ever built, God-Eternal Bontu mono-black storm. It's basically Eggs but with creatures, where my commander turns all my permanents into eggs, so in response to its etb I sac Bontu to draw it again and loop it by drawing more cheap fodder, and token generators like Endrek Sahr and getting mana from Altars and other effects like Skirge Familiar and Carnival of Souls. I can drain everyone out by looping it with an aristocrat piece in play while drawing my entire deck.

  • @paolomandala02
    @paolomandala02Ай бұрын

    singleton eggs mentioned, Benjamin Wheeler is popping off

  • @FlaminGinga
    @FlaminGingaАй бұрын

    Hey snail, my playgroup doesn't have many decks that play well with the power range of this deck. If you were to take out three cards for ashnods, phyrexian altar and KCI, which would they be?

  • @gretchling5012
    @gretchling5012Ай бұрын

    did you season the scrambled eggs?

  • @zenith6198
    @zenith6198Ай бұрын

    I just saw the decklist and saw 28 lands Is it because your artifacts make up for it? Ive been seeing multiple decks with below 35 lands and cant understand why considering im a new player

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    There are two reasons that the deck runs that few lands. The first is what you mention--the deck can run 28 lands because it runs about 20 cards that cost two or less and can either add mana or draw it a card. The second reason is that it's a type of storm deck, and it needs to keep a low land count because of that. Storm decks draw lots of cards one at a time on their big storm turn, and they need to keep drawing into stuff that draws and or gives a burst of mana in some way or else their turn will stall out and they won't be able to win that turn. Lands don't provide cards, mana, or any other advantage on that big turn, so storm decks generally try to run as few lands as possible.

  • @zenith6198

    @zenith6198

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@salubrioussnail alright I understand now I watched your video and couple others about lands to help fix my manabase in the decks I've made and it was really informative Thanks

  • @derpypanda2215
    @derpypanda2215Ай бұрын

    Seems a bit durdly. Wouldn’t Feather just be better for the price?

  • @tuisku2073
    @tuisku2073Ай бұрын

    I love eggs!

  • @laytonjr6601
    @laytonjr6601Ай бұрын

    About my Slimefoot and Squee deck: I had many ways to sacrifice my commander once per turn (phyrexian tower, Tarrian's Journal) or spells that sacrifice as an additional cost(Bone Shards, Corrupted Conviction, etc) but adding Phyrexian Altar and Ashnold's altar changes everything

  • @nikdi
    @nikdiАй бұрын

    Why is there 25$ on the preview, but in fact deck costs almost 100$?

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    Because it was bought for $25 in late 2019

  • @zanehaythorn4140
    @zanehaythorn4140Ай бұрын

    Honestly ive had no idea how to even build gerrard in a way that makes sense, but boros is my favorite color combo and i love me some artifacts. Time to make a version geared to my group

  • @King_Optimistic
    @King_OptimisticАй бұрын

    As a resident Jan Jansen player with no clock of omens in my deck . I second the idea of fiddle harder than anyone else.

  • @cerietke
    @cerietkeАй бұрын

    I like a ton of different playlines in my decks. I find thinking about them during building and goldfishing helps speed things up for actual games. To me a deck with the KCI would be pretty boring if it leads to it always being the best option. Ideally a deck can take several different strategic routes depending on the board state. My best traditional 60-card multiplayer deck before we started with EDH could reasonably switch between beatdown and control and even morph into combo through Research/Development and a wishboard. The EDH card set is starting to approach the point where I can manage to make similarly flexible decks (depending on the general). I'm currently working on a Grothama deck that does pretty well at beatdown but that can easily go combo off of extra abilities Wizards tagged onto big creatures (Kodama of the East Tree is busted, but there are plenty other ways). Similarly I have a Codie based control deck that can generate a lot of tokens or a few creatures for a beatdown win, while a single Turnabout turns it into combo if needed. As someone who lives for this kind of deck, yours seems pretty cool. Complexity wise I can certainly see the challenge, though I think a combo deck that doesn't just go infinite and thus needs to think of what gives the best chances to keep itself going may sit even higher. You have kinda inspired me to look into building for the same general. I wonder if rather than always aiming for the Eggs finish there might be a way to turn it into a deck that adjusts to what the board state requires as I described above.

  • @MageSkeleton
    @MageSkeletonАй бұрын

    Boros has a LOT of ability to search for equipment. And while Leonin Shikari is the only way to equip an equipment at instant speed, there are two equipment i'm surprised your not touching as even as a sorcery speed sacrifice outlet they let you do the thing you need to do... as long as you have a creature to equip them to. Piston Sledge, and Demonmail Huebark. If somehow you needed a way to discard a card there's one colorless equipment that does that and an additional two other black equipment that do that.

  • @livanbard
    @livanbardАй бұрын

    The deck os very easy to understand perhaps. Your description is what causes confusion.

  • @TrulyVerity
    @TrulyVerityАй бұрын

    I was always amazed whenever my friend won with their derevi deck. It would always seem like they spent the whole game tutoring a tutor to tutor a tutor that found ephemerate. Eventually she’d have enough pieces to build a whole computer. Definitely changed the way I looked at magic

  • @jduan9494
    @jduan9494Ай бұрын

    Can we get han's Chainer deck?

  • @salubrioussnail

    @salubrioussnail

    Ай бұрын

    This is the list: www.archidekt.com/decks/6090004/chainer_slay_the_spire

  • @connorkennedy1794
    @connorkennedy1794Ай бұрын

    I enjoy every time you have to say "$25 midrange eggs." This deck looks fun, by the way. Do you have a decklist? Edit: I found it in the description. Thanks snail!

  • @SporePunch
    @SporePunchАй бұрын

    I'm glad you talked about your friend's deck at the end. I built a really janky bullshit deck, but I found the same issue where I needed generic mana acceleration to make it actually function and get to do its janky bullshit. Unfortunately, it wound up yielding a lot of complaints like "oh no mana acceleration this is too powerful" and I'm like no, it's not, it's just allowing to put stupid silly bullshit on the board. There's nothing powerful happening here.

  • @SporePunch

    @SporePunch

    Ай бұрын

    What people often forget about "enabler" cards is that they aren't powerful in and of themselves, what they enable matters. Dark Ritual can enable some actual war crimes, but if I use to play a silly little bean a little faster, the Dark Ritual didn't enable a warcrime. It just let me be stupid faster.

  • @kritametsricharoenvej6787
    @kritametsricharoenvej6787Ай бұрын

    Hey Snail, could you create a mono-blue budget Standard deck using cards that will not be rotated out this September? Please.🙏

  • @Pinfeldorf
    @PinfeldorfАй бұрын

    Do you not put salt on your egg because, as a snail, it's lethal, or is it a much more nuanced reason?

  • @ry7hym
    @ry7hymАй бұрын

    THE SNAIL HAS POSTET

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