He is 100% spot on. I cringe everytime someone brings up how blessed we are to have Nelson as a prophet.

Don’t forget the April General Conference where they hardly even acknowledged the pandemic because it made the audacity to coincide with the 200th anniversary of the supposed First Vision and then to top off the event they had every participate in germ-spreading hanky wave. I know that people only participated from home, but the optic was so Bizarro World.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

No, this is not true. I don't know if you actually watched it or if this is hearsay, but what you are describing is not the Conference I watched. Our Prophet very soberly addressed the Pandemic in three of his talks across the conference. And families were in their homes watching the conference, they didn't use the Conference Center main auditorium, so the audience was few and they were spaced out. And please don't make light of a practice (the Hosannah Shout) which is quite sacred to us.

@michelereber8680

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 And quite ridiculous. Mormon for 57 years so I know a little.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@michelereber8680 You are denigrating a practice that is quite sacred to our faith. That is not charity. I wouldn't do that to a Catholic, a Jew, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Baptist or anyone else - dismissively denigrating something important to them. It is a hosanna shout to Christ, and was practiced in biblical times.

@c0ltz450

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 When an organization ruined my childhood with stress, anxiety and depression, pushed me to the point of attempting suicide. I don't care for what happens to it. I don't care for what their traditions are or what's sacred. The church has been proven to have tons of inconsistencies, faults and so on.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@c0ltz450 That must have been a difficult experience for you. Sounds like you feel the Church failed you. I'm sure you are open minded enough to realize that the vast majority of active youth in the Church had and do have no such experience. They talk about the anchor the gospel of Jesus Christ was in their lives, how the Church helped them navigate the normal trials of teen life. I was a late teen convert myself and it certainly was that for me, and for many of my friends who were in the Church from birth. Still, I think you would agree it's not right to denigrate sacred practices of any faith, that's what I was pointing out. I wish you well -

I’ve been thinking this for the last 8 months

I think you missed the most important thing why didn't they just use the priesthood and bless people heal the sick LOL

@ASMRyouVEGANyet

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@marymariamaxfield8328

3 жыл бұрын

Because healing is predicated by the faith of the person wanting to be healed.

@jayrad1973

3 жыл бұрын

@@marymariamaxfield8328 what a bunch of BS that's just an excuse you mean there's nobody on Earth worthy of being healed from Covid right now? Even the missionaries can't be around it even the priesthood holders can't be around it LOL. But Jesus could walk through the valley of the lepers. And none of the LDS leaders have the faith. Why do you talk to a member that died from covid and tell them they didn't have enough Faith to be healed.

@marymariamaxfield8328

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus was a demigod. God shows everyone is worthy of his love and he can and would heal them, he knows his plans. Through the atonement of Jesus Christ all are worthy to return to our Father, and He sees us all worthy of his love and loves us as well. You seem like someone who likes to spilt fire and stir up controversy. I won’t be answering you again.

@lorrettacrowley5922

3 жыл бұрын

Can someone blessed with discernment please answer this question: if melchizedek is ( The Prince of peace, king of Kings, highest of Priests and every other divine title) then why? would he accept a tenth of the spoils from the wholesale slaughter of men,women and children. Furthermore given that he was unaccompanied, how did he carry it away? I cannot reconcile that our heavenly Father would have any part in the spoils of blood money.

When will the full interview for this be available? Can never get enough of John Larsen!

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Full episode will be available later today!

John Larsen sure has a way with words

Woah! His voice takes me back! Mormon Expression Podcast was amazing! “Is there a better way to get this point across.... 🎶 “

As sharp, concise ever John...Great to hear you

It reminds me of a story on my mission (Russia about 17ish years ago. I was often not a popular missionary amongst my missionary peers. I used quite a bit of common sense, healthy communication practices, cross-checking, and good rationale over blind believing or shady manipulative practices being pushed on as 'God' or 'holiness'). A member in a branch had TB and they took it upon themselves to be responsible to stay at home and quarantine themselves until they got better. The Utah missionaries in district leader positions and the Branch presidency hounded this responsible member to go to church no matter what. The member tried to defend his position and had a heart to not get the children in the branch infected. The district leaders got more upset over being resisted and took it upon themselves to 'Go God mode' on the member. They threatened the member's membership in the church for not attending and created a following for the other missionaries to chip away at this member. They pushed onto the member that disease is not a recognizable issue, and his issue was to have more faith. They pushed the notion of belief that faith is greater than trusting in medicine etc. The member finally came to church and stuck it out in sacrament meeting then went back home. From that member's attendance, a few children came down with TB. A newborn child went critical during their sleep at night and passed away whilst sleeping. The missionaries didn't take responsibility for their idiocy nor for the stringent course of their linear belief. They turned that child's funeral into a strong polar movement for their own conversion campaigning 'families are forever' and 'Your child's death doesn't matter, because you'll see them again after this life so long as your family gets sealed'. It was quite cold. I remember absolutely hating the cold apathetic overtone of idiot belief pushing. (There is a time and place for such things, a death is quite tragic and shoving belief down someone's throat deserves a kick in the rear or a slap in the face) The missionaries didn't regard to recognize the family to grieve or the branch to 'take care of their own'. The missionaries were more wrapped up in making their own funeral program and getting more investigators to come to some 'grandiose' program. They tried to create their own program outside of the family's knowledge and then tried to push the family to attend to accept the program and push them to bear their testimony. That family declined. That family was pretty upset, they had every right to be. They quickly withdrew from having contact with the missionaries. The missionaries in the leadership positions of the Branch came down on the family for not attending, when that family needed time to grieve. The other missionaries being young and stupid invented and passed gossip around the Branch members about the family. The gossip was way out of bounds, and way out of context. Some missionaries were even in a competition who could spin the more believable off-putting story. The missionaries were trying to indirectly 'hurt' the family for their attendance insubordination and push a strong notion of 'right and good' to the other unaware branch members. That family came back to their reputation being ruined and a hostile sort of congregation fed on the lies of the missionaries. That family quit the church. The missionaries buried the goodwill, the good nature, and legacy of that family in more gossip until they were seen as outcasts and not worth saving. Over the years. I'm pretty much convinced that Church is more of a belief engine. Relying on the church for stable security of health, stability, or good care is beyond the organization. You had some notions of this from Home Teaching, but that program didn't stay consistent in all wards/branches and that program is now gone. (Home Teaching not staying consistent meaning... It no longer became an outreach of camaraderie and checking on the welfare of the member as to how it was taught back in my generation. Home Teaching became too preachy, too scripted, and rather creepy on how I've seen others practice it to force their spin on interpretation of scripture or idiosyncratic notions of weird over-embellished 'righteousness') You have good well-connected people that go through life, that shoulder life, and they recognize such things beyond the church and its engine and that is really what makes life connected and work. Beyond that communities are a hit and miss if you don't have well-connected people, people that are number hungry, or people stuck in their frivolous absolute obedience loops that don't result in any healthy behaviors. There are other people that care about lives and take up a hidden self-responsibility to notice meaning in other's lives - To add or reinforce a notion of security to good health or at least better care. I wish leaders of the church recognized such a notion on the whole with their whole following than to see or push the notion on their followers for absolute obedience or see followers as a source of energy for their 'faith' engine.

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Would love to meet some day. John

@AJ-et3vf

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this. It's insightful and just further shows how manipulative, uninspired, and man-made this cult is.

@kathyclark8274

2 жыл бұрын

Despicable conduct, but completely plausible given how the church never errs and therefore refuses to accept responsibility for bad or negative outcomes resulting from their inane, bumbling incompetence. The explanation is always attributed to someone's unworthiness or insufficient faith. Yet, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Many still cling to the most absurd, ridiculous explanations, equivocations, and half-truths out of fear and because they refuse to stand up on their hind legs and think for themselves.

Q: Why is it that the church screws up every major thing? - John Larsen A: Because its led 100% by man and 0% by God.

@sheliabryant3997

Жыл бұрын

Yeaaahh, funkyfresh!! The FIRST TIME I have seen the correct use of the PAST TENSE of the verb, LEAD. The element "lead" is not a past- tense verb. "He will LEAD you into all truth"; "John LED the campaign for the truth ." The element lead has nothing to do with leadership. ,[Except in religion.]

John!!!!!!!! God I love that man!

The lack of response to covid caused so much cognitive dissonance in my head I started to question everything.

@lionlocks5910

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who believes in the Covid 19 religion is just as deceived as anyone who believes in Mormonism.

This guy had my full attention, he's saying what I've come to understand of Mormon leadership. They're always behind the curve.

On a positive note, Phoenix East Valley LDS clearly voted their conscience to pursue the common good no matter. There's hope yet.

I saw a revelation. I present you with Scientolomism or Mormonscilogy (can't decide). Please donate so I can get my templurch built.

This set up got me laughing pretty hard 👍🏼

Not to mention in April Conference the first thing he said was," well who could have seen this coming" haha he lost his chance to shine seeing that he kept saying from the conference before that something big was coming and take your vitamins. Amos 3:7 went out the window I guess

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

Not every day that I agree with a 'Standing Together in Christ' account with a Norwegian Jesus profile pic, but today is a unique day 🤣

@awakeningministries

3 жыл бұрын

@@kelleren4840 that's great!

“Since when does the prophet not meet with Jesus Christ weekly”

Why is it that the church screws up everything every time?

@RB-zh1eq

3 жыл бұрын

It kills me how backwards the church is . . . on everything. And the members don't see it. Gaslighting at it's finest.

@sdfotodude

3 жыл бұрын

@@RB-zh1eq it is a train wreck I'll never get tired of admiring the spectacularness of.

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

It's honestly one of the only things I feel comfortable using superlatives with. "Name one issue the Mormon church has demonstrated moral leadership of." Or, "Literally name a single doctrine in Mormon theology that has not changed at least once." DO YOU KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO DISPROVE 99.99% OF SUPERLATIVES?!?!? And yet, here we are, with a church that is like that 0.0000001% of bacteria that just won't go away.

"It's almost as if they have Revelation but in reverse"..............The prophet John Larson, man is that a precious statement or what? Now imagine IF the LDS corp leaders would have followed George Costanza's, on Seinfeld, idea about doing the opposite of everything he normally did. Seemed to work out for George, probably would have worked for the LDS corp as well.

The church is got a new logo, what better proof of inspiration do you want.

@kathyclark8274

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, a new logo! Wow, a new marketing tool designed to manipulate and guilt folks into coughing up more moolah. That's gotta be worth a big loud Hosanna right there!

@SteveSmith-os5bs

Жыл бұрын

@@kathyclark8274 exactly, what's a little COVID when you got great marketing and a new mini Jesus logo and, over a $100 billion in the bank.

I miss that voice.

@Sarah_Pratt

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!!!

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Us too!

Revelation in reverse, that's good👍

This is exactly how I felt when temples stayed open and elderly members continued to be put at risk. This is how I felt when an outdoor YM/YM activity recently was mask optional even though our governor has asked everyone to mask up when you leave your house. Revelation in reverse indeed like Monson’s despicable decree about legally married same sex families. It’s just gross 🤢

Maybe They were too busy making the official logo of the church. I'm just guessing.

"The man who knows science" There is an interview with Russell Nelson done by Pew Research in which he makes it clear that he does not take evolution seriously. The other person being interviewed says that he thinks that none of the apostles really believe in evolution. It's clear to me that they never have, apparently taking the Genesis story completely at face value, disregarding DNA and other scientific evidence.

Rusty literally has blood on his hands.

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

He handled this pandemic with the adeptness of a surgeon with easy-bake kitchen toys and a hangover. Guess you could say his skills are a little... "Rusty."

@kathyclark8274

2 жыл бұрын

@@kelleren4840 LMAO!!!

The god of Mormonism is always on the wrong side of history . . .

JOHN! holy shit bro, you look so Lafferty these days! love you, miss you, kiss you!!

But people believe he’s a prophet because he said take your vitamins were in for one heck of a year or whatever

Given that these are supposed to be modern day prophets, I cannot believe that they are not aware that the whole covid scam is just that....

@madvinmryk

2 ай бұрын

A comment of reason, in a sea of nonsense.

Many cultists have chosen Q over the Quorum because it's more exclusive, and secret knowledge with persecution is the golden ticket for cultists.

Do you suppose that Jesus or anyone who shared his faith, would wear a mask, Please just be honest....

@ky4864

3 жыл бұрын

Its very hard to say. Jesus came from an extremely poor community. He often touched sick people/lepers to show them dignity and love in a society that treated the sick as unclean outcasts. However, Covid is unique in that it is so easily spreadable. If Jesus knew he was endangering others by not wearing a mask, I believe he would. But times are very different. It is hard to say.

@madvinmryk

2 ай бұрын

@@ky4864 Covid lies are so easily spreadable.

It's ok to ask questions like this. But remember, you have to doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.

Probably the most important key to this mortal experience is that God gave us our agency to choose and maintains an environment that ensures we keep the ability to choose. God has never used his prophets and leaders to dictate what we should do and thus eliminate our agency to choose. Prophets and leaders are here to teach and guide us in the paths of righteousness, and then it is up to each of us to choose, along with our own prayer and inspiration, how to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ through his prophets and leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There are really only two main sources of influence in this world, Jesus and Satan. We have to constantly ask ourselves each day what influence is it that we are choosing to let affect our lives.

This video didn't age well. Lol. Cv-19 was a psyops

@gretamoney8017

2 ай бұрын

100% correct

Not to defend Russell M. Nelson, but he is a surgeon who realizes that a surgical mask is used for surgery and does not prevent alleged viral particles from entering into the mask. But you two "virologists" apparently know better, right?

@madvinmryk

2 ай бұрын

Right!

1) Regarding the title: It's not "Mormonism" or the "Mormon Church" it's the the Church of Jesus Christ. 2) The Church did a magnificent job in it's response to COVID, with great respect for local and national governments and what they were asking us to do. 3) Critics will find ANYTHING to criticize. 4) Therefore, critics would have criticized ANY response or approach to COVID by the Church - no matter what was done.

@ky4864

3 жыл бұрын

Sir, this comment is just not accurate. Utah county has had some of the highest rates of outbreaks all throughout the pandemic. Many have died. They are also an area heavily populated with members of the church. They were getting their Instruction from leaders.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@ky4864 Rubbish. I was one of those residents, and our instructions from the start were to follow and obey health and other public officials closely, their counsel. Which was to wear masks, social distance, and limit group activities. And even BYU itself was and is very strict. The idea that the Church or its leaders were at fault in any way is baloney -

@ky4864

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 I was one of the residents too. My elderly father died. And so did many others. Local leaders were not strict about guidelines and my father’s LDS church did not shut down until the governer mandated it. It's not that they are “at fault” they are men. Some made good choices and some did not. But to put all faith in an institution or a leader instead of studying the science of anything for oneself is dangerous. Unfortunately, covid gives us examples of that.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@ky4864 I'm truly sorry your father passed away from COVID. I'm sure that is devastating. So many families have been touched by it. Our stake was very strict right from the beginning. I don't tie the two issues you mention together. I do have faith in the Church of Jesus Christ and in its leaders - He called them. That they are mortal and fallible to me is not only obvious is baked into the deal. For myself they are another source of truth and so I overlook their weaknesses in order to better receive the Lord's counsel through them.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@ky4864 I don't blame the leaders, or the Church. In fact, I was pleased with how they responded. In my area they were very pro-active and still are right now. I don't see how they could have done any better than they did. COVID was totally new and a lot of unknowns were there for a long time. And a lot of the scientists didn't agree about it. All told, the Church in my view did an excellent job. At BYU right now they are being criticized for being too strict.

I appreciate Mr. Larsen's observation, however my observation, first hand, during the first few months of the plandemic revealed to me the same truth....in a much more direct and simple revelation. A week or two after the Moroni statue had fallen and celestially "disappeared" from the Salt Lake temple during the morning earthquake downtown, the plandemic was underway full force with the patriotic national guard standing/sitting at a semi-half parade rest quazi guard duty post on most downtown intersections north of 600 south and south of the capitol. There was much confusion given the earthquake, the missing holy idol, civil unrest and of course the mark of the beast event of the millenia itself ("The flu which must not be named!"). So as I was living in my overland SUV with my German Shep service dog at the time, with no place to call home other than a rooftop tent...I took no part in the activities sponsored by our wonderful and thoughtful world government. My reasoning was, because the festivities were quite literally stupid to me, as an onlooker and not a participant. I watched in fascination as early on in the carnival ride I noticed, as we all did, my local "Smith's" grocery store mandated masks and I was told to leave. That's not the part that scared me. What scared me was..how quickly this behemoth of a grocery chain had project managed wonderful colorful little footprints for the store floors, telling customers in which direction to walk for each aisle. This, along with signs, posters, commercials for digital tvs in store, all very professionally designed, layed out and printed--- were revealed to the Salt Lake Valley (and little did I know at the time...the world) in just a few days time. Smith's, Home Depot, Pawn Shops, Gas Stations...all of them had the same wonderful carnival signs and footprints. In a few days time. What coordination indeed. So, on to my point. A day later, The LDS church announced that members should stay home and doors would be shut, until the 6th seal of the apocalypse was concluded, of course. My observation was bluntly this.... So your telling me that, 1. Every grocery chain in the free world managed to coordinate and release a global marketing campaign consisting of pretty footprint stickers...informing customers in which direction to walk in just two days. 2. The holy relic was still missing 3. The temple was damaged from a rare earthquake 4. The National Guard was posted up in our hometown. 5. OH and don't forget, the cough cough. And what does the prophet, seer and revelator command his people to do? Yeah. Shut the doors, don't congregate too loud, quietly accept the mark of the beast at your local Walgreens please...oh and while your at it...please continue to pay tithing. I drove to Moab the next week with Grizzwold my dog. And we spent a wonderful, glorious and free 3 years camped out in the desert....praying to God, on our own..just fine. Amen