This is a very good explanation! This situation just adds to the fact that the twins are in a high-stake situation (one of them may face the cutter's torch if not kept), which enchances the story in my opinion.

We needed that episode to be seen by the public in full completion to get the full story arc the Scottish twins were meant to have.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

Tell me about it, The Missing coach is such an important story!

Originally, I agreed with the unlucky tug when he said he thinks The Missing Coach was one of the dumbest stories. But after watching this video, I don’t anymore

@toby.fan9198

9 күн бұрын

The only reason Donald and Douglas came up with this stupid plan was because they panicked and didn’t think straight

I have a better theory on what the twins' plan was. It goes like this with in-universe logic. Donald was rostered to take a goods train, Duck and Douglas was allocated to yard shunting at the time of the incident. The Coach is put in the carriage siding, the passengers don't know who did it. The twins swap tenders, leaving Douglas with the No. 9 tender. This is the crucial fact that is completely overlooked, as it was _intentionally_ left uncoupled. Douglas feigns as Donald suffering a defect with his tender, making him unable to take the goods. Donald with Douglas' takes the goods as expected. Now it looks like Douglas couldn't have shunted the Express has he would've been preparing to cover for Donald's goods train; preparing a locomotive for a run takes time. Donald couldn't have done it because of the uncoupled tender. This means only Duck could have shunted the Express with the Special Coach.

@KBY30

8 күн бұрын

They were framing him!

@dysr

8 күн бұрын

This is the other popular interpretation that I’ve seen around, and I think both are pretty valid. The other key point of the tender switch in the “plausible deniability” plan is that Douglas stays behind rather than taking the goods himself since he knows what happened and thus can better explain his “situation”. The story leaving so much to interpretation is probably why people consider it confusing though, since it’s rare for a Railway Series story to leave such an important plot point for the reader to figure out. Usually it’s smaller connections that can make for great eureka moments while not being so prominent, such as the arguments about “London station” in Gordon Goes Foreign.

@ciarangleeson2880

7 күн бұрын

Speaking of Gordon Goes Foreign, that episode should not have been cancelled, either. There was never really a necessity to build St. Pancras station, they could have just kept filming Gordon travelling there, and maybe have him pass a sign saying that London was just ahead.

This was a surprisingly well explained analysis of the Missing Coach and its importance. The lesson about someone owning up to his/her mistakes is the best thing is well presented in the episode itself in the books, and I must say, I really hate the fact that the Twins' introduction was rushed and the said episode was replaced by a Thomas-centric episode.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

Excalty, this episode is very important, atleast they actully begun filming this which makes me happy, until the silly choice to shelve it came in, and its just soo hard to enjoy break van with the terrible intro in the tv seires, at not only does the missing coach give a better intro but the cliffhanger left from the story is what makes break van so good

TBH, I never did find this story confusing myself. I was kind of baffled by how people thought it was. Nice explanation, BTW.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

Same

One of my favourite episodes of Sodor Retold is the one in which TFC contradicts the narrator by saying something like "Why would I send one back? I got two for the price of one".

@MutePenguin1155

9 күн бұрын

@@AxelWedstar411 oh ive heard of it, its hilarious 😅

@ciarangleeson2880

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, I sometimes wondered about that, it just seemed like he was being very irrational.

@caboose.20

4 күн бұрын

??? Because he legally does not Douglas. This is why STH specifically points out "Oliver will soon be ours" in Little Western.

I have no idea on who though it was a good decision to have the episode almost completely film, than cancel it last minute, have to adapt another story, restart production, and ends up being just as confusing as The Missing Coach. It be one thing if it was film a little bit and didn’t make it far into production like Gordon Goes Foreign another Season 2 cancel episode, but this was pretty much done so I see your point and agree with it.

Oh my God, Thank You! I've been saying this for years. Of Course the plan wouldn't have worked, it was thought out when they were scared. You don't think straight when you're scared.

"Daisy has no action" 😂

One funny little thing about this is that as a kid I never heard this story but I in a way made my own version of this plot with my toys. I can’t imagine it being that confusing for that reason. It seems like an obvious plot to make when you have identical twin characters

Bro spit out facts through those 11 minutes

My opinion is that the twins did the last part wrong. Donald should’ve stayed and Douglas should’ve taken Donald’s train. EDIT: alright, your explanation that the twins weren’t thinking clearly, like a child who thinks they did something bad, makes a lot of sense.

The most confusing thing about TMC is why it was cancelled to begin with, not the episode story itself, and you make a great point about other episodes having no action...

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@TheEerieMaster yep

Gordon and Henry swapped Tenders in It’s Good to be Gordon.

I really agree with you such a shame the story was canceled

this is what I've been thinking for years

I personally think that they swapped tenders because if Douglas took the train and they didn't swap tenders,donald would have unfairly got the blame.

Finally someone has said it.

I guess for the intended age demographic the story might be confusing? Though the story is pretty straightforward in its explanation. Regardless, I feel the best way to follow the story if you don't understand it is to get whatever toy trains you have lying around (we'll say TnP Edward and Gordon). Pretend the Edward toy is Donald, and Gordon toy is Douglas. Reenact the story, tender-swaps and all and BOOM, it all comes together. It might be easier to understand when the two characters look different.

The best explanation I've seen (and modified) is as follows: Douglas is naturally going to be a nervous wreck, and just seeing the Fat Controller will likely cause him to give away a tell that he was at fault. An involuntary action. The two swapped tenders, so that Donald would pretend to be No. 10. Douglas, pretending to be No. 9, would take the goods train. With No. 9 suffering his tender disconnecting unexpectedly ("Some sort of defect, no doubt."), and No. 10 waiting and suddenly leaving with a goods train ("Perhaps he saw you coming and thought he was late."), neither twin could have been responsible for the mistake. They both had tight alibis. Donald, having done nothing wrong, would have no reason to be panicking (unlike Douglas), and thus would not give any tells. The fat controller seemed to buy the story, and told the passengers to "draw their own conclusions". But once they had left, he made it very clear that he had *not* been fooled. Somehow, someway, he had seen through the ruse, and had only played along to get the passengers to calm down. Of course by the time Douglas returned, his nerves would have been settled. And even if he did give any tells, it would be assumed to be in relation to playing musical tenders with his twin. ...of course, this is all assuming the fat controller hadn't already figured out the whole story as to _why_ it happened in the first place...

BRITT ALCROFT: "The Missing Coach" is too confusing for children. ALSO BRITT ALCROFT: (proceeds to make "Thomas and the Magic Railroad")

@MutePenguin1155

3 күн бұрын

@@supermariof0521 excalty!!

@supermariof0521

3 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 I'm sure Britt is a total sweetheart, but goddamn her mindset is the ultimate form of confusion and delay on its worst days.

@MutePenguin1155

3 күн бұрын

@@supermariof0521 Innit! 😅thats what i think

@LittleJerryFan92

Күн бұрын

Unfortunately I think it’s a case where Britt was just more considerate of the series during its early baby days at Clearwater Studios. Once the show became extremely popular in America and Japan, that’s where I feel the fame started to go to her head with being extremely loose and careless with a lot of Awdry’s stories by season 3 (I could understand completely why he was frustrated there, though I do think his views on “Henry’s Forest” are a bit hypocritical as well)….. and yeah, look where it eventually led her with that movie.

@MutePenguin1155

Күн бұрын

@LittleJerryFan92 Tbf in a way I feel britt got excalty what she deserved in a way when Magic railroad flopped, and i agree with awdrys complaints about them adopting non railway stories, aswell as his complaints with henrys forest as after all, the show is meant to be taken as realisticly as possible. This is why i prefer season 1 and 2 more than the other classic seasons.

I dont think its a good creative choice to just use another brown coach for this special coach. On top of it being impractical for a branch line coach like the one shown to be used on the express, it also just looks funny.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@sidneyadnopoz3427 oh trust me, there are a lot of erros in the show 😅

What’s really confusing is Four Little Engines airing as the first in the Four Little Engines saga when it’s obviously set at the end, or in the case of this season, Thomas, Percy and the Coal (which has Percy working on Thomas’s branch line) airing before Duck Takes Charge.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@joshuaW5621 thomas percy and the coal was rumoured to be the replacement episode for TMC but i won't 100% believe it as there is no confirmation but also thomas percy and the coal was made just to have a thomas focused episode. It's a shame they did this, that early in the series

@joshuaW5621

10 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 it is very weird that it became the first episode of the season when it’s clearly meant to be set later.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 excalty! I'd say it should be set around near the end of the season to close all the Quarrelling between thomas and percy. Or the last book of More about thomas the tank could havs done that depicted in the railway series

@joshuaW5621

10 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 you misspelled have.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 i noticed

Good explanation. I never found it confusing, and to me, its an Awdry humour thing. The twins in the moment of panic just do the first thing that comes to mind! It could be genius, it could be moronic depending on interpretation, but it just ends up screwing over everybody involved in this comedy of lunacy, except for Duck, because Duck always wins!

Very good explanation, in my opinion would’ve been a great moral for kids to learn back then.

I wasn't too confused of the episode either.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

Same

I'm with you here. One of my thoughts as to why the twins swapped their tenders is because they fooled The Fat Controller in _Hullo Twins,_ so they thought they could get away with it again. I also think it's funny how the coach itself only acts as a plot device for this story only. It's never mentioned again and not even seen in any illustration, which is odd, given that a lot of Christopher Awdry's books are focused on Thomas.

@MutePenguin1155

7 күн бұрын

Agreed, considering how Christopher wrote alot about thomas its odd how he brings up how thomas pulls milk to the diary but no mentions about him pulling the 3rd coach, i guess not every thomas story can be set at 3:30pm when the coach arrives for thomas

The reason why allcroft canceled the episode in my opinion is kind of bad that part of the episode wasn’t confusing the actual coach is. This would be the only episode where Thomas has a third coach. If I watched the episode for the first time I would be used to Thomas pulling two coaches and I would be like,” wait what Thomas has three coaches I didn’t see it in season one ?!” When he is back to pulling two coaches I would be confused because it would be the only time that Thomas’ special coach is mentioned. So the tender swapping isn’t too confusing but Thomas mysteriously having a third coach and not ever again would be confusing.but, I would still like the episode and I think canceling it especially that late was a bad idea.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@brooks9661 fair enough but there have been a few times in the railway series where someone or something is introduced after the intro, they are never mentioned again

As someone who has liked the plot of the missing coach since I was like 9, it’s rlly not confusing They just swapped tenders It’s like twins swapping classes or something

I don’t think the story would’ve been that confusing. So long as you remember that Donald and Douglas have swapped tenders, you can’t go wrong.

They swap tenders because each engine needs an alibi. Douglas (10) needs to be out yard so he couldn't have done it, but Donald (9) doesn't know that the coach got stowed. This means that no. 10 needs to not be around, but Douglas does to explain the situation. Hence the tender switch. Donald leaves as no. 10 to give 10 an alibi, and Douglas stays as no. 9 to explain the situation to Topham Hatt.

Never mind about the story being confusing. This was supposed to be the first episode of season 2. With no explanation on duck existing. It makes no sense.

I think the honest problem with what the finalized episode adaption was going to be ended up being potentially “confusing” for children is just the simple fact that unfortunately, the two stories “Hullo, Twins!” and “The Missing Coach” were both gonna be crammed together in one big 4:30 episode. So many details had to be stripped and removed and may not translate well on the TV screen. I do overall think with this in mind, there was a lot of poor planning with this episode story adaption, and alas wasn’t taken into consideration until halfway being filmed. At that, I feel the episode should have been finished regardless because that’s a lot of time and filming completely wasted there, and the opening to “Break Van” with that rushed opening monologue was just terrible.

The Deputation has no action. Percy and the Signal has no action. Dirty Work has no action. Another reason this episode isn't confusing is because The Diseasel had Bill and Ben have their nameplates removed to confuse Boco out of revenge for taking their trucks. So how did Britt think The Missing Coach would confuse children, but not think The Diseasel would confuse children?

@MutePenguin1155

5 күн бұрын

@@arthurengine excalty

The only really confusing part about The Missing Coach to me is probably the fact that Thomas suddenly has this special coach to begin with, and that it's coupled to Gordon's express first before being shunted to Thomas's train with people still inside. I mean, it makes more sense if you think about it, but I can easily see why it might come off confusing to children.

@MutePenguin1155

Күн бұрын

@Noobul8r9000 if its confusing because thomas suddenly appears to have a 3rd coach then the part in the episode 'daisy' where we find out thomas now suddenly pulls a milk van on his branchline

I owned up a few times but I still got punished... I never understood why but thats why I lied more than I owned up

You earned yourself a subscriber I would’ve rather have seen this over Better Late Than Never.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@ScottMalkinsonisW thankyou for subscribing 🥳

Why complete an episode then not release it? I would still release the episode especially if i spent hours or weeks shooting it. Just make it a lost episode or add it to a dvd special.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@ItzAtrain2905 word!

I 100% agree! I don’t find the story confusing at all, and it, along with Super Rescue and Gordon Goes Foreign have always stuck out to me since they are the only stories written by Wilbert (not counting the stories from Mountain Engines and Little Old Engines) that weren’t adapted to the TVS (that and the three mentioned are extremely good!!). Donald & Douglas are also two of my favourite characters, so it has always sucked that they never had a proper introduction…

@ciarangleeson2880

7 күн бұрын

Very Old Engines, not Little Old Engines.

@modelrailfan37

7 күн бұрын

@@ciarangleeson2880 sorry that’s what I meant…. The two titles are so similar lol, little old engine is a book though, right?

While I can see Britt's point of wanting to cancel The Missing Coach due to it being difficult for younger audiences to understand, I don't agree with the decision. Let's not forget that over a decade later she would produce Thomas and the Magic Railroad, which might as well have been a total flop and in the end lead to Britt selling the franchise to HIT Entertainment. I'm not sure the argument of The Missing Coach being difficult for younger audiences to understand holds up when compared to that...

@MutePenguin1155

8 күн бұрын

@PlowBenderStudios and does Britt also think a kid would know the word 'Deputation' or what a 'Predicament ' is used in there perspective episodes

So your explanation for why the episode isn't confusing... is that the twins and their crews weren't thinking straight and made a decision that nobody in their right mind would make? The logic not tracking tracks I suppose, but I still feel that there's a large leap between "if someone feels worried and rushed, they will make potentially strange decisions" and "let's swap the tenders of two steam locomotives, and then send one of them out with a goods train, and have the one that made a mistake play dumb when being talked to by the authority figure". It could work, since Douglas is known to have nerves of steel, ala the Oliver saga, but even still they could have done a number of other simpler things. Good video overall, but could do with some more convincing as to why *that* plan of all plans was chosen.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@theisraelilocomotive70414 fair enough, hope you enjoyed the video though

@theisraelilocomotive70414

10 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 it indeed was enjoyable, just mentioning what I thought might be useful to know for this video

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@theisraelilocomotive70414 no probs, cheers mate!

Two things on this. 1) It depends on the age of the kids. 4-7 year-olds might not get the story. But 8-10 probably would understand what happened. 2) When did Thomas start getting a third coach when he already had Annie and Clarabel? And why was that coach never seen again (even if the episode didn't air?) That would be the only confusing thing? Not what Donald and Douglas did. Other than that, it's definitely a missed episode.

Imagine being a Railway Series story trying to get a TV adaptation and you're more boring compared to *COWS*

It’s confusing because couldn’t Douglas have taken the train with his own tender and Donald stay behind? Since they were trying to act like that’s what was happening anyway? And then Duck could bring up that Douglas was the one who shunted the coaches there for they still get in trouble at the end?

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@Enterprisingexpress02 they weren’t thinking straight, that’s why there plan was so awkward.

You could probably do a great Ringo Starr sounding voiceover if you tried.

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@2Degeneracy tyou really think that? And thanks :)))

They might have thought it was confusing because the Scottish twins don't have nameplates

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@@YeomasBros.2008 the numbers identify who is who

The tender swapping part was dumb.

There's one thing confusing about the story: who on God's green Earth decided to put a 2 axle coach on the express! Also I've seen the bit about how TFC finds out the mascarading with the tenders pointed to as the cause of the confusion? (Edit: nevermind, numbers are numbers and a disconnected tender is something else entirely

@MutePenguin1155

10 күн бұрын

@robertbalazslorincz8218 god knows, i don't know why they couldn't have used one of the red express coaches as the special coach as shown in The Railway series

He’s not wrong the story is just about Douglas be worried he’d be sent away an screws up the special coach with the other coaches the twins crew’s come up with a plan but it fails

I don't know tho I still think the Deputation is a better episode than this. It was an episode that proved that yes it's the fat controller's railway. But the engines stood up for what was right. I don't believe they should have put it on Percy tho. But glad they all stood by the twins in the end.

I've always been able to understand it

Great video and explanation!

@MutePenguin1155

8 күн бұрын

@@danielboone3770 thanks! 👍

It took me like half an hour to reed the missing coach story😢

I don't think that the Missing Coach is confusing.

Its such a shame

I agree.

Yeah, it's really not that complicated. Donald tells Douglas to take his train and then covers for him, stating 'his' tender has a problem. Sir Topham doesn't fall for it, leaving the episode on a cliff-hanger. 'Break van" then starts with a scene explaining that the twins are on 'thin ice" with Sir Topham, with the episode then playing out as it does. it's said that Wilbert wasn't entirely happy with the story so I think a few minor changes like that would have been okay. They basically cancelled a story that Wilbert wasn't quite happy with but was needed (Break van) for one that Christopher thought was rather dull and didn't particulary want to do (Better Late than Never). imagine if they'd done the same with the Duck and Diesel Trilogy.

@MutePenguin1155

6 күн бұрын

@genevieve53fan30 the Twins story how it was adapted for TV is just a bit like having dirty work and a close shave without the context of pop goes the Diesel

@genevieve53fan30

5 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 I'd say they'd more likely cut down Dirty work and add it to Pop Goes the diesel.

Great explanation

@MutePenguin1155

9 күн бұрын

@@kevinkeenan-2.1 cheers mate!

Awesome video i like it 🧡

@MutePenguin1155

11 күн бұрын

@@_Dr_Pig thankyou Bro, appreciate it! 🩵

I COMPETELY AGREE

Never mind WHY they swapped tenders: HOW did they swap tenders? How would they be able to move without them?

@merlinandmurdoch7837

6 күн бұрын

Only a short distance before overheating.

@ciarangleeson2880

4 күн бұрын

Okay, but if it were up to me, I would have their crews use some pump trolleys to move around the tenders.

As an adult its not but as a kid i think it would have been

@MutePenguin1155

9 күн бұрын

@Joey15811 but im sure a kid would be confused on what a Predicament is in 'Percy's Predicament' or what a Deputation is in 'Deputation' and where they cancelled?

Also, I find the whole idea of shaping tenders to be rather idiotic and makes no sense.

Britt is just hypocrital becasue she made episodes that would confuse kids

@MutePenguin1155

8 күн бұрын

@chavopatyfanstudios2005 i don't hate her for the Decision But its one of the dummest things she's done, not the metion she would soon make Magic railroad and now for the uk audience that is confusing as we never grew up with shining time station and mr conductor. Also if she thinks tender swapping is confusing then does she really think words in the series such as, 'Predicament' in the episode Percy's Predicament or the word 'Deputation' used in the episode Deputation. Does she think kids will understand those words

I love your accent.

@MutePenguin1155

9 күн бұрын

@@bobingabout thanks 😅

You sound like David Platt off Corrie

@MutePenguin1155

5 күн бұрын

@@Just_Jaxx gone and just watched a few clips of him after reading this and you do have a point 😂😂

@Just_Jaxx

4 күн бұрын

@@MutePenguin1155 Haha lol

W

Ehh we didn’t really need it

@MutePenguin1155

8 күн бұрын

@@Killdane we didn't need better late than never, thomas percy and the coal or the runaway

What a lovely video! Another good point is that Donald is the one who was meant to stay, so if the Fat Controller finds out that Douglas makes the mistake and that he wasn't the one who was meant to stay in the first place, he probably would have been sent Douglas away for sure. So Donald pretending to take the blow for his brother was more out of brotherly love.