Here is a fun game for you - take a shot every time I say "magic" [and its variations if you feel daring today] Oh and also, #JusticeForFen

@NK-dt1kp

4 сағат бұрын

👀 What the... 4 days ago? The magicians? Video essay? Subscribed!

People do not talk about this show enough. It was beautiful. The episode called “A life in the Day” where Q and Elliot raised a family made my jaw drop. It changed my entire perception of how I live my life - that hasn’t happened to me since I watched The Good Place on NBC. The show is not perfect and veers away from the books in many ways but the world building is so enthralling. Also this interaction will never not be hilarious: “They imprisoned me because I killed all their trees.” “That’s it?” “They were magical talking trees.” “Wait, Fillory has talking trees?!” “Not anymore.” 🤣🤣🤣

@peterahlstrom4185

Күн бұрын

Peaches and plums ❤

@AddictiveSin

Күн бұрын

If you read the books first, you would have thrown a brick at your tv

@marlowemichaelson1366

Күн бұрын

@@AddictiveSin I read the books after and I half-agree. But the show was riveting in its own right.

@phillipj1135

22 сағат бұрын

Audiobooks on audible unabridged. If your a fan of the show and never dabled in the books complete the experience. Not a advertisement I got the books on audible after the beast nearly killed everybody the first time and the contrast and character fusions are interesting.

i was so pissed at the end of s4 when it aired that it took me like 3 years to get over it and finish the show. with distance, i wasn't as pissed at the death of quentin, although it still hurts

@iamallaboutfood7242

3 күн бұрын

Dawww man, I am only on season 2 T_T

@aeas09

2 күн бұрын

Honestly, though, Quentin was kinda just there. Like i never really grew to care for him. The show really didn't need him. Plus, im pretty sure that they killed him off because the actor wanted to leave.

@neivilde.1242

2 күн бұрын

@@iamallaboutfood7242 babe ur watching a retrospective video on the show I don’t know what to tell you

@neivilde.1242

2 күн бұрын

@@aeas09 that’s fair, i liked him a lot, even more so on rewatches, he’s a different kind of protagonist, messy and often wrong, i liked that about him.

@one_for_one

2 күн бұрын

I still havent gone back. The absolute betrayal of his character was entirely too much. And then the gall to sing fucking take on me while burning his shit, and making no attempt to bring him back. Penny? Oh well have multiple episodes focused around his return from the dead. Quinton tho? Nah he can stay dead

This show was everything for me, I hated how it ended 😔 but I'm still grateful for it. It mixed magic and school and relationships and fantasy in a way that i haven't seen ever, thank you for this.

@Wonderlandish

Күн бұрын

The books end completely differently!! They also explore more of the college and Fillory, 100% would recommend

The 3rd season of this show is genuinely one of the best seasons of TV I have ever watched and it will always hurt to know that the show couldn't manage to maintain that quality going forward.

This is one of my favorite series of all time and it’s such a shame not many have seen it. Very grateful it went on for as many seasons as it did just with the smaller fan base. Bring it back!!

I feel like you are assuming that Jane Chatwin was omnipotent, implying that she knew exactly what would happen to Julia and essentially had control over each loop when that is pretty explicitly not the case. Also younger Jane did know that her brother needed help and she was seeking answers and ways to help him for many years unsuccessfully and eventually was forced to choose prioritizing the world over him.

@TheDumdei

10 сағат бұрын

Similarly, I always assumed that the reason why she leaves them in the dark this time around is that in previous attempts, she HAS let them know what was going on (to different degrees), and they still failed.

OMG someone finally someone talking about this show

Okay you’ve forced my hand, I’ll watch The Magicians again.

YESSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR MORE MAGICIANS VIDEO ESSAYS THANK YOU its hard to find things to say about this show that it hasn't already said itself.. Also for the thumbnail, as a fan i didn't recognize it as the magicians so u may wanna re edit it,

Wow, you're so right about Fen. I didn't notice just how much she's gone through because I kept seeing it from the leads' perspective. Really makes you think

What are the odds that I literally just picked up the book series because I couldn't stop thinking about this show. I just re-watched the whole series and I needed more the fact that this is crossing my feed one day later is wild

I think the 50 odd previous timelines had been about Jane trying to promote the more talented other kids but regardless of circumstance she always ended up with a Quentin, so after 50 fails she give Quentin a try and then died, so she couldn’t try a new combo. If she’d tried centering Q 50 times and failed every time I think the idea of misogynist Jane would hold more water.

It was referenced that Quentin was Jane's focus and she did leave him out of the school and he still some how ended up in Fillory

i found these books in middle school and was so grateful to face some harsh topics that i needed to see people work through at that time in my life. this show i learned to love as a separate entity from the books, and im so glad people are talking about it! i find that the show is like someone read the three books then ran with the idea. i could rant about this world and concept for hours ahhhh. would love to see a conversation about the books vs show and about the subverted tropes, like how que tin is kind of an inverse chosen one concept where he’s just kind of mid or bad at everything while all his friends are highly skilled in something

@Aldurtz

Күн бұрын

I just consider the show as one of the many timelines that exist as result of the loops. I personally find it comforting, imagining there are many other versions of the characters from the books and the show that somewhere out there found a happy ending

Reading the comments, it would seem I'm in the minority, but I actually liked Quentin's death. I had not seen anything about the writers' interviews and I don't much care what they said in them. I liked that the character who knew they were maybe the least competent magician of his group, yet who was once told he was chosen and had been proven wrong, was given the chance to choose to be a hero, and he made that difficult choice even as the love he had lost with Alice had just come back. And I enjoyed that it came not from a grand magical feat but from the humble "minor mending" specialty that had once punctuated just how out of his depth he was. In a way, they are almost subverting the earlier subversion of the "chosen one" not being the actual driver of the plot or the savior/warrior, for whatever importance there is to discussing the subversion angle of things. I don't disagree with some of the other takes, but I just don't see how this death was bad for the show; it felt appropriate and meaningful to me.

@ameliawilliams305

Күн бұрын

We're definitely a minority in this small fandom, but I agree 💕 I'm also just glad to see people talking about this show

I dont hate the quentin thing , but it was unnessesary. , and it potentially having his depression and unaliving question, is the real , not great. And in season one he had straight to his face accepted that he isnt the main character its around, hell his discipline and him trusting alice is all about that. Also it had to be julia, because as much creative liberty there is, they still take from the books as source, and julia is there, even if its doing itzs own thingsa .

You're being way too hard on Jane. Remember, this is a time loop. She tried ALL of it, she confronted the Beast, she had Quentin not join Brakebills, she gave them all the informations at the start... all of it. She's also working against an opponent that knows what she's doing, and at this point it's a game of cat and mouse. She's trowing anything at the wall in the hope something sticks, and you gotta assume the Beast just kills everyone if she interferes too much - but if she only makes minor changes, it's entertaining enough for the Beast to witness what's changed this time that he plays along, and this is Jane's best chance to defeat him. She hurries the plot along just enough to not bore him, and makes just enough changes each time to keep him entertained.

@supremeio5930

Күн бұрын

Also blaming Jane for what happened to Julia doesn't make sense. If I remember right Jane pushed Julia out in this one time loop. But even if it was more than one, Jane didn't set up how Jullia became stronger.

@mzmendy

Күн бұрын

Yeah. I was mostly with him up until that point. The sheer number of time loops shows that Jane has been trying to help her brother and the world in any way she could. And that Q just ALWAYS found his way to the center of the chaos. I also feel like that's why his death was earned, he ALWAYS died TRYING to perform a heroic act.

A Magicians video! A proper Magicians video! Oh wow!! I'm saving this to watch once I wake up tomorrow. Damn! Yesssss!

Quinton was never the main character. He was the perspective character. Killing him off to subvert the straight white male lead was so misplaced. Q was never the most important character nor the main character, he was just the audiences point of perspective into this world. The writers took that away and the show suffered greatly for it.

I got really excited seeing this video cuz I never hear anyone talk about this show! The Magicians was really important to me in high school & going into college, cuz there are tons of stories with heroic or otherwise virtuous heroes, but Quentin Coldwater was one of the few main characters I could relate to on grounds of his introverted nature. I also just loved their approach to magic, gods & other fantasy things! Such a great show!

This show is kind of my life, it somehow was a huge influence in my life’s Quentin was definitely someone who resonated with me. As did Elliot, this series was really bold and out there, but it’s an actual ‘adult’ in a modern fantasy series and the dark realities that comes with the whimsical and how the two can either co exist or we see the seams fray

omg i've been waiting for a good Magicians video analysis! thank you for this

The Order is another that was surprisingly good, largely because of the cast having a great balance of individual charisma and chemistry with literally everyone else (much like The Magicians). Not the same magical vibe though, think ceremonial magick but extra bloody

when i first read the books, i wanted it to be a movie. then years later talks of it being a series came up and i was so hyped. and although the budget from syfy isnt that big, it did bring the book justice.

this was such an amazing video!! it's so nice to see this show talked about again after so long

I finished the show when i it came to Netflix and I have been waiting for this show to be talked about! Im 27 now and really want to do a rewatch

Omg!!! A long magicians video essay. My dreams have come true!!!

Magician's content?? In 2024?? Yes please???

This show was and absolute gem, until the seond last season, when... oh well.

Can you please cover The Librarians series next

Finally! This commentary is not for the faint of spirit! Thank you for tackling this, you-Brave You. 🍿

Damn, Eliot Waugh is in my top 3 of all time favourite tv characters. Shame that i cannot go back to the show since I'm still super bitter about how things ended up with it.

This was a very World of Darkness RPG show. Got so many Mage the Ascension and Changeling the Dreaming vibes.

@dmfilly2613

Күн бұрын

Million percent yes. I loved this vibe about it also

Before I even watch I wanna thank you for making a video on my favorite show, not many know of it and make videos on it. Thank you.

been waiting for someone to truly WAKE IT when it comes to this show

been waiting for this one!

I LOVE THIS ENTIRE VIDEO PLEASE DO MORE

I read these as they were coming out and was so excited for the show. Then I watched a few episodes and couldn't stand it. It wasn’t until a friend told me things got better in season 2 that i suffered through it. And season 2 was good, not great. Season 3 actually had me wanting to watch more, but there wasn’t any yet. I honestly thought it got cancelled or something lol. If anything, thanks for the reminder to watch the rest.

I really enjoyed these books I had no idea there was a series.

love this show. awesome video!

I think the ability for us to bond with the characters and be hurt by any character(s) is a form of testament to the world building and character writing. I feel like I really understood the characters motivations and feelings.

The essay was absoloutly brilliant!

I don't think the auidence is supposed to laugh at Fen or this different culture. It's to show that the characters never consider Fillory and it's people as real. To them it is a story. Even when they are living in it it's not real to them, not fully. It's to show how they aren't really good people / self centered.

1:08 bear with me, I hope this makes sense. I've never liked Jane so I'm not defending her but I think it's like a bell that can't be unrung. In the first timeline, Martin is abused so Martin becomes the beast. She creates the second timeline and best case scenario she figures out how to stop the abuse in timeline 2 - beast martin is already strong enough to remember the other timeline, so even if she stops the abuse, the trauma that led him to want to be strong enough to never be abused again is still there, so he still pursues the beast path. The fact that she's strong enough to create new timelines happens because he's already strong enough to remember discarded timelines. Like a snake eating its tail

@andrewreviews

21 сағат бұрын

Honestly very well could be! Not a bad theory at all. I wish the show elaborated on her efforts more, in this particular or any other way - would have made her more justified in her actions

@OLISAxo

21 сағат бұрын

@andrewreviews yeah I like the alternate timeline because we got Penny 23 but the show could have made Jane a stronger character by showing more of her efforts. Instead we got psycho Dean Fogg 😂

The Magicians was my Home and Away. If you're Aussie you know what that means. It doesn't matter how bad it gets I'm tuning in to see characters do character things.

Attacking while defending. Great essay!

I really enjoyed watching The Magicians during 2020. I think seasons 1 and 2 were interesting in setting up the world and connections but couldn't really get into how dark it was, but I stayed watching because of how much I enjoyed the margo and elliot hijinks in fillory. S3 was a lot more fun to watch and s4 was like a gut punch but in a 'sad but beautiful' sort of way. I also enjoyed both the s3 and s4 in how they felt more structured and character driven, the increased introduction of fillory which allowed for a lighter vibe to contrast the human world, as well as their respective musical episodes. I'm glad to see somebody do such an in-depth review of this series that I greatly enjoy (⁠ﾉ⁠◕⁠ヮ⁠◕⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠*⁠.⁠✧

Love your reviews, pats galore

@andrewreviews

4 күн бұрын

Haha thank you!

I loved The Magicians, it really was something special. I was sad when it ended but the series finale was bittersweet

1:45:17 the way i never noticed the candle of spike lmao

I am so excited to watch this!! Also pissed you beat me to making a video documentary on this show

Damn, this show hasn’t been on my mind since I shared the last episode with my since divorced wife. Brings back so many good and bad memories. Thanks for this video❤. I won’t watch it because it hurts, but thank you for making it ❤

at the time s4 aired my partner (who reminded me a lot of Quentin) had recently died by suicide so it was an extra blow to see one of my favorite characters die in such a hollow way. The show basically sent the message that suicide is the answer to feeling lost and purposeless and that self sacrifice is the ultimate conclusion to mental health struggles. A super messed up message to send. I used to love the Magicians but I think the show runners misunderstood their own show/ story. Yes it’s subversive and a story of struggle but it felt like trauma p*rn at times and virtue signaling at others. It was “wink wink, nudge nudge” but not in a way that, retrospectively, was fully enjoyable, warranted, or made narrative sense. Subversive media like the 1st Scream movie works because while it subverts expectations, it’s not just going for shock value- there’s narrative purpose. I wanted to keep my love for the Magicians alive but s4 tainted all the positives for me. It did many things right and interesting but it also did many questionable things that send harmful messages. Despite trying to subvert tropes the show runners fell into traps they tried to avoid and then went: look were progressive because we have a diverse cast/ female characters aren’t 100% pure, etc. But it was hollow and often came across as misogynistic or at the expense of a character’s identity or personal struggles which is arguably not progressive at all. Thank you for making this video. I’m glad to know others feel similarly all this time later

Amazing video

This is a really good video essay on The Magicians! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perception on all it, you really hit on the head what bothered me about how the show treated Fen.

i love you for this

Magic is pain..... But magic as you watch the series can be bitterly sweet and beautiful. Though Quentin death broke me in never understood how people used the phrase to show and characters till this death happened. And its sincerely an understatement. Also julia into arc will break anyone whose been sa though she doesn't get the amount of spotlight as the others.

One of my favorite shows ever.

Ok, when it comes to Quentin getting accepted and Julia getting rejected have more to do with what happens in the books. Julia becomes obsessed with magic to the point where it ruins her life but she trucks through it joins every hedge wizard organization across the USA and becomes one of the most powerful and most well versed magicians. She then joins an organization seeking higher power tries to get it through this French God. However the group is deceived accidentally summons a jackal God instead. The jackal God grants her request for higher power by raping her taking her soul as a human and putting his seed in her so that she will become a dryad. Then over years she slowly loses more and more for humanity until she transforms. She actually had nothing to do with fighting the beast in the book series. In the books Alice sacrifices herself to kill the beast. Janet Chatwin explains to Quintin about her time travel powers and how she's not very skilled with them. Quintin begs her to use her power bring back Alice but she says she doesn't want to risk it because she doesn't know if they could be the beast again. What does this have to do with Julia? Absolutely nothing which is what makes what happened to her such a tragedy. That was a bit of an underlying theme throughout the books, what good is all this power if there's no meeting to your life.

Nice video

So you want Jane to be chuck from supernatural? Or to at least have a similar “how dare you play with our lives” type Moment?

I will tell my children this was my dissertation

I beg anyone who liked the show but was dissappinted to read the books. Q lives in the books.

I think it is both bold and reckless, which works for some stories and doesn't for others. Which, humorously enough, ties in to one of the main themes that took me through the show... one that you don't discuss in this essay (albeit rightfully so) - hubris. And maybe the show itself reached too far and tried too many things for them to every possibly succeed at them all.

I think the fall down in season 4 is where they too the biggest step away from the books, and it seems like they fumbled it. Im guessing without having it plotted out as well things fell off the rails.

OMG SOMEONE TALKING ANOUT THE MAGICIANS OMFG !!

I love this show and all its cast members and messy storyline

I like how we both like the show and have opposite opinions haha. I hated season 3 with my entire being and liked s4 "twists"

I’m pretty sure I finished the show but for the life of me I can’t remember how it ended. Or maybe I gave up mid monster storyline 🤷🏽‍♀️

Hi, is the series finish? has it been cancel? What is its status? Your intro was captivating, and i watn to know if it has an end before starting it

@carlableiker3752

2 күн бұрын

@@lugonzalez9929 it ended in 2020

You say the show wrote a plot about this and that, it’s not the show, it’s based on a book series which the show adapts

banger video

my problem with it is that it didnt kick in for me until season 2 when they got to fillory however after i think it was the 3rd or 4th season i just go tired and skipped(i think after a certain character died but i skipped to the final ep for that) havnt seen it since 2020 ish one of the first shows id ever binged

Favorite show

It was my favorite show

bro makes so many good points. i love the show but their is also a lot that annoys me.

Liked the show. Great actors and Julia is a goddess.

an amazing amazing show

the scope of the magicians would be better ina hbo show id say because of the whole gods and outergods and timelines stuff could be done better by them i think

Finally...

the bizzaro josh peck always threw me off. slightly unwatchable but it was nerdy magic college

Okay take a subscribe and let me save that Huntik video for later

*THIS IS BETTER THAN HARRY POTTER*

DAMN, SIR, this was so well done! Loved your transitions and everything, very cool and fitting for the show. Thank you for calling the showrunners/writers out for wanting to be feminist and pulling such bs at the same time. And from the very start- while Quentin gets to play in bright-colored magical wonderland, Julia's journey gets more nightmarish at every turn. I hate the suffering they heap upon her throughout the show. And that's coming from someone who loves her character! It's just difficult to watch the show punishing her in what seems like outlandish ways that the male characters don't really experience. ALSO this idea in fiction that female characters can only get stronger and grow by being r*ped is infuriating and in my opinion a sign of lacking imagination and weak writing. GOT suffered from the same issue. It's a tired, stupid trope that needs to be retired yesterday. There are parts of The Magicians I enjoyed immensely, like Margo and Eliot's friendship (or the talking messenger bunnies!), but others were really rough going. I've heard that in the books, the writing of the female characters is even worse! So... yay for the improvements? 😅 Anyway, great video!

@kirielbranson4843

2 күн бұрын

To be fair Julia was not the only character whose power and motivation grew out of trauma. SA. The Chatwin boy who grew up to be the beast. I didn't see this show be unfair at all based on gender. Quentin's whole arc was around his mental illness or neurodivergence. Everyone had pain and trauma. Magic coming from pain was more believable.

@carlableiker3752

2 күн бұрын

@@kirielbranson4843 I really like the concept of magic comes from pain as well. I just hate the trope of “r*pe made that character strong.” We see it in the show with someone turning into a big, bad, powerful beast. And with growing magical powers. I believe it’s season four (or three?) where magic is gone, and Julia is the only one who has magic. The explanation for that, and for why Alice cannot just take it from her, is that Julia has been through so much and is so strong and that’s why she can deal with it. I think there are so many other kinds of traumatic experiences that writers don’t need to return to the SA well to show that a character has overcome something that made them stronger.

I’m sorry women can get “divinity” from WHERE??? 😭

“BO D??”

I never felt Q was the main character, and i felt that his demise was set up well, warranted and earned. It was said back in season 1 that he wasn't special, he was the 'Volunteer Tomato'.

It got very fucking preachy and self-satisfied by the later seasons. Having to listen to them complain about straight white men and take a self-righteous stance about every political issue instead of making the story shine was insane. And listening to Margot do her whole "It's spelled womyn actually, the superior sex" bit was so fucking stupid and dated it was hard to finish what had been a great show for 3 seasons. Also, you get one musical episode. Anymore then it's shitty theatre kid nonsense. And it's hard to be a good musical episode when it's just theatre and pop music covers.

Well, I'm glad I quit watching in Season 2.

"Harry Potter goes to college" is how i describe it 😂 i loved it ❤

Algorithm bump

I always described it as Harry Potter meets the Chronicles of Narnia as directed by Quentin Tarantino 🙂

The producers lost the plot when they killed [SPOILER]. They thought they were killing the white male lead but they were actually killing the neuroatypical queer guy.

Welcome to an understanding of the attitude of a colonizer. My culture matters, any other culture is a joke. In deconstructing the tropes of fantasy, they only repeated the same mistakes made by it.

Show was trash, read the books if you want to know how badly they failed the original work. They had a chance to do so much and just threw it in a dumpster behind a divisive clinic and lit it on fire only to call it "art". Trash.

Fix the thumbnail

You mean to tell me people watched past when Alice broke up with the MC after he accidently cheated on her while drunk off magic they were alllll using, because they were being hunted by a monster and needed to prepare by drinking said magic potion.. I just couldn't get past that hump since Alice is usually the smart one.

Slow down. The commentary gets muddled as it is too fast and jumps around too much