The Mad Men Scene Everyone Misunderstands

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  • @Aleczandxr
    @Aleczandxr2 жыл бұрын

    Of course, not EVERYONE misunderstands it. Probably just a sizeable portion. But you know, KZread titles and all that.

  • @fatesteeltaylor9805

    @fatesteeltaylor9805

    2 жыл бұрын

    the youtube title got me so it's working

  • @syntheticreality549

    @syntheticreality549

    2 жыл бұрын

    Love the mad men videos! Also I said this a few years ago and I respect the fact that you don’t wanna do a whole lot of Mad Men content, but I would donate a bunch to Patreon to get a Lane Pryce analysis. Name your price man😂

  • @syntheticreality549

    @syntheticreality549

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also just to be clear I’m not specifically gunning for a huge analysis, even just a super short video analyzing one of his great scenes (him and don at the theatre, him trying to kiss Joan, his attempted suicide by car). And if you aren’t into the idea I totally understand and will continue to watch your content every new upload🤟

  • @jerrysstories711

    @jerrysstories711

    Жыл бұрын

    I was always terribly unsatisfied with Ginsberg's arc. He was a brilliant threat, there was tension growing between him and Don... and then he just went crazy and went away. Huh? That really felt like a punt from the writing team. Did I miss something? Was there something deeper and more thematic about his cutting his nipple of and getting out Don's hair that I missed?

  • @darrelldunn4618

    @darrelldunn4618

    Жыл бұрын

    Isn't that line from Ayn Rand the Fountainhead?? I think so.

  • @roxymacdonald8349
    @roxymacdonald8349 Жыл бұрын

    Don is also infuriated by Ginsberg's self-assuredness. Ginsberg doesn't make any attempt to hide his Jewishness, his eccentricities, the things that society says he should be ashamed of. Don hides everything about himself and his past in order to live the American dream. And it bothers him that someone like Ginsberg can be successful without playing the same game he did.

  • @benjaminsaffir7871

    @benjaminsaffir7871

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes absolutely, but it’s worth noting that Ginsberg is not Jewish; he’s a Martian.

  • @klowen7778

    @klowen7778

    Жыл бұрын

    Good point about Don's shame re: his past, and also interesting that today's fame-oriented generation, for whom appearances and 'winning' is everything (but now for different reasons), simply sees Don's parting shot as just another opportunity for 'one-upmanship'.

  • @dtorr14

    @dtorr14

    10 ай бұрын

    ! B

  • @Laxtothemax123456789

    @Laxtothemax123456789

    10 ай бұрын

    Especially considering they come from similar economic backgrounds, albeit rural and urban social backgrounds for Don and Ginsburg respectively.

  • @Chino-bk9fd

    @Chino-bk9fd

    10 ай бұрын

    WRONG

  • @SamHusseini
    @SamHusseini Жыл бұрын

    You left out the smoking gun -- in a prior scene (I haven't seen this in years) Don is shown alone in his office going through past accounts and notices that virtually all of them are from Ginsberg.

  • @sebeckley

    @sebeckley

    Жыл бұрын

    The scene foreshadows the Season 7 Burger Chef situation where Don suggests a different approach to the strategy, and Peggy runs with it, trashing her old idea and coming up with something new based on Don's contribution. Don's spark is back and Peggy doesn't have his ego and goes with the better idea when she could have "pulled a Don" and rejected his input, proving that the student has outgrown the master by being dedicated to the best work, not petty jealousy.

  • @johnjones3813

    @johnjones3813

    Жыл бұрын

    Also, didn't Don go the (empty) office on a Sunday afternoon and start looking thru Ginsbergs ideas folder? And in there was the cartoon devil idea?

  • @ApoloniaJones1976

    @ApoloniaJones1976

    10 ай бұрын

    Exactly. Which is why it is so disappointing what the writers did with Ginsberg. He should have thrived.

  • @theorderofthebees7308

    @theorderofthebees7308

    8 ай бұрын

    @@ApoloniaJones1976absolutely!

  • @listrahtes

    @listrahtes

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@sebeckley Actually Peggy is the one with petty jealousy and abuse of colleagues, while Don never treated her like that and had the reputation to be incredible loyal and supportive to his team. Peggy was the polar opposite as a boss. Maybe she learned in the end but she never had the actual character qualities of Don. It was incredible that basically a CEO still had the ability to perform on the level of their most talented copy writer.

  • @Longjohnsilver58
    @Longjohnsilver58 Жыл бұрын

    Don is the lie. That’s what makes the show so great. You seldom see the real man behind the mask. I love the explanation of this scene.

  • @Vesperwow
    @Vesperwow9 ай бұрын

    I know you had to keep this video to a reasonable length but I think the more critical set up to this whole thing of "not thinking about him at all" is the night he spent peeking at Ginsbergs ideas ahead of time and developing his own idea which he pretends was off-the-cuff in their meeting, it shows how deeply he thinks of Ginsberg

  • @SimpleManGuitars1973

    @SimpleManGuitars1973

    9 ай бұрын

    Another ironic thing about Ginsberg is how that initially Ted viewed Don as this incredible enigma and titanic talent who made him really insecure of his own talents. However when he started working with Don he sort of dropped all that but then when Cutler wanted to fire Ginsberg Ted told him how crazy he was for that based on the fact that Ginsberg was immensely talented. It was like his admiration toward Don had shifted to Ginsberg because of his incredibly creative mind. I love Ginsberg as well.

  • @lnb29

    @lnb29

    8 ай бұрын

    The thing is it seems to me Don was thinking about "work" more than he was thinking of Ginsberg personally

  • @matthewconstantine5015
    @matthewconstantine5015 Жыл бұрын

    One of the many things I love about Mad Men is that on its surface, at least early on, it seems aspirational. Don is just so cool, so suave, so much of what I, growing up in the 80s, was told I should want to be. However, as soon as you start paying attention, you realize it's anything but aspirational. Don is profoundly sad, lost, and frankly a depressing to watch human. Peggy is deeply weird and sort of pathetic, in spite of her skill and grit. Betty is a shell of 1950s WASP Fantasy. Joan is thwarted by the machine of society at every turn. Pete, in a lot of ways is the male version of Betty, the empty and soulless horror of the post-War American Dream. He gets everything he wants, but is incapable of being happy. Love it.

  • @marty2090

    @marty2090

    Жыл бұрын

    Are you Jewish by any chance?

  • @joecruz03

    @joecruz03

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, I think Madmen shows us how we are sold the illusion of the "American Dream." But also, how we WANT to be sold the illusion, and how we can't get enough of it, regardless of whether we recognize it as a hollow pursuit or not

  • @marty2090

    @marty2090

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joecruz03 Are you Jewish?

  • @annalisavajda252

    @annalisavajda252

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes it is a somewhat dystopian reality but I disagree with most of your character evaluations. Don is a narcissistic fraud living a lie he stole his name from someone else in the war and can't be honest with anyone I certainly would not compare Pete to Betty Betty doesn't have everything she wants she wants her husband to love her not to cheat and lie that's why she's unhappy on the shrinks couch he gaslights her screws around Pete cheats on his wife also and you think Peggy is weird well she had Pete's bastard baby and then just had to pretend that never happened either Joan is a voluptuous women so she doesn't get the respect she deserves but she likes the other attention she gets sometimes too anyway she makes more effort than Peggy in the sex appeal department but Peggy hopes being more drab will get her more respect and it doesn't. I have more sympathy for Betty than Pete he's extremely disappointing a weasel and not even very attractive.

  • @saifkadri1751

    @saifkadri1751

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marty2090 Are you Jewish?

  • @sergioruiz733
    @sergioruiz7332 жыл бұрын

    This was part of the reason I hated my marketing job, it was more about the ego of the company over actual good ideas. Whatever presents itself and makes the ego of superiors satisfied. As long as the idea or concept is acceptable and the bosses idea that is all that mattered. Especially as the older generation begins to exit the workforce. Great video.

  • @calcelmoanayru5870

    @calcelmoanayru5870

    Жыл бұрын

    I hope you're working in a better place now.

  • @sergioruiz733

    @sergioruiz733

    Жыл бұрын

    @@calcelmoanayru5870 I ended up switching careers tbh. I found my white collar job to be very mundane and tedious. Now Im an undersea welder.

  • @sevirz13

    @sevirz13

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sergioruiz733 one of the highest fatility rate jobs. But mad money. You go to school for that or what?

  • @DavidSmith-xs3or

    @DavidSmith-xs3or

    Жыл бұрын

    I used to work in advertising. I drew their ideas up for the client, because the art directors and copyrighted couldn't. Their smugness hiding their lack of talent combined with their oversized egos and insecurities sickened me. I grew to hate the business. I've been forced into a semi-retirement now, but my talent will always be mine.

  • @sergioruiz733

    @sergioruiz733

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sevirz13 I ended up going into a welding program after leaving the marketing job and then after getting my journeyman's ticket and having 6 years experience under my belt I signed up for the undersea welding course that was a lot of training and money, but honestly in this market and the crazy prices on housing I needed this job so I could get myself a house. I made a downpaynent for it within the first year, but yeah its a very dangerous work, you legally only can do it for 10 years and then you have to stop because of the toll it takes on your body. And I am in my 3rd year of doing it. No complaints so far.

  • @tsarcastic3722
    @tsarcastic37222 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! The common interpretation of that scene bugs me. Although I'll argue I think the misunderstanding of the scene reflects a deeper issue in our society. Namely that internal confidence, coherence and identity is de-emphasized in favor of dunking on people and making yourself look good. The goal isn't to be confident, it's to knock everyone else down and look confident yourself. The inner reality doesn't matter.

  • @Gunleaver

    @Gunleaver

    Жыл бұрын

    Almost like using the advertising industry to examine modern society is an especially effective tool, when "inner reality doesn't matter."

  • @dontfearthereaper2887

    @dontfearthereaper2887

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marlinchen6315 You sound ridiculous.

  • @Purplenpinkk
    @Purplenpinkk Жыл бұрын

    Once Don left Ginsberg's ad in the cab, how could anyone think that Don is a confident badass when he says that line to Ginsberg in the elevator? The only reason Ginsburg is second guessing himself with that facial expression at the end of the encounter is because Don gaslit the shit out of him. Also, if you watch the series up to this episode, it is clear that Don is deeply insecure - I mean just the fact that he adopted an entirely new identity to live what he thinks is his best life, says it all.

  • @0_Katt_0

    @0_Katt_0

    Жыл бұрын

    Dons character is extremely insecure and seeks approval the entire show. Idk how people idolize him? He just comes across as insecure and miserable

  • @Purplenpinkk

    @Purplenpinkk

    Жыл бұрын

    @@0_Katt_0 I agree, the only thing I liked about him was the fact that he didn't call all the women in the office condescending and inappropriate names like "Honey" and "Sweetheart" like all the other men. He was pretty smooth, though.

  • @michaelh9649

    @michaelh9649

    Жыл бұрын

    @Mkat He is deeply, deeply flawed and definitely shouldn’t be looked up to as a person. However, he has a lot of surface level qualities that are easy to admire. He’s articulate and well-dressed; he’s way ahead of his time in his tolerance of race, sex, and sexuality; and he’s incredibly charismatic. Definitely a lot wrong on the inside, but it’s easy to admire the outside.

  • @redhood444

    @redhood444

    Жыл бұрын

    @@0_Katt_0they idolize Don Draper the idea. A handsome smooth talking ladies man they can talk any woman’s panties into a puddle with ease. But it’s all a front

  • @Axel-ye8tt

    @Axel-ye8tt

    Жыл бұрын

    @@michaelh9649 lots of people are flawed but don is still a man who is great at his job and is good with women to a certain degree

  • @calcelmoanayru5870
    @calcelmoanayru5870 Жыл бұрын

    Ginsberg is wonderful. His arc really made me feel sad.

  • @jabrokneetoeknee6448

    @jabrokneetoeknee6448

    Жыл бұрын

    I was so disappointed with how the show handled his character. There wasn't at arc at all. He abruptly goes all loopy and then just kind of vanishes from the show. wtf? I was hoping the show was going to further develop his rivalry with Don.

  • @s.9899

    @s.9899

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jabrokneetoeknee6448 I read that the actor got a main role in another series and wanted to leave, so they had to take him out of the show

  • @Airoehead
    @Airoehead2 жыл бұрын

    I just adore the character of Ginsberg, especially with the Snoball arc, whereas Don (as most of the suits in Mad Men) are attempting to be suave and duplicitous, Ginsberg is an unfiltered colorful mind, his Snoball pitch worked better because it's a drink for children! Ginsberg's visual is hilarious, while Don's piece is trying to lean more on looking cool and clever through an unmentioned pun.

  • @thomasmargolis6057

    @thomasmargolis6057

    Жыл бұрын

    The power dynamics, where the contrast between the establish vs young turks in the group. Protocol and position that can be more important than, and the latter subject to being dismissed.

  • @fureyhiggins3289

    @fureyhiggins3289

    Жыл бұрын

    Add in Peggy’s pitch, and you have 3 contrasting demographics

  • @harrisfleming7431

    @harrisfleming7431

    Жыл бұрын

    And as we ultimately find out, a very unhinged mind

  • @Nate-im3sg

    @Nate-im3sg

    Жыл бұрын

    @@harrisfleming7431 Not uncommon for a true artist such as Ginsberg.

  • @gpowder911

    @gpowder911

    9 ай бұрын

    Dons idea was, in other words, silly and desperate.

  • @snoookie456
    @snoookie456 Жыл бұрын

    Ginsberg is one of my favorite Mad Men characters. So much so that I wrote a short story about him. Тhis scene is pretty straightforward, I think the only people who misunderstand it are those who don't watch the series. Don Draper is a typical "literally me" character and you'd have to be pretty dim to miss all of his antagonistic traits. There is this new childishness in movies and series that prevails in the last decade which is indulged by big studios out of unsurprising desire for profits, but one of the key ingredients to a great story still is a flawed protagonist. You can't have the story progress if the character is perfect, but especially on the internet and in the media we see a huge trend of viewers who seem to be missing this point. The thing is Mad Men is so well made and unlike movies with antagonistic leads has much more runtime to delve into the meat of the characters, you really have to be stupid to miss the context that makes this scene much more meaningful than a simple "sick burn" moment... Especially the scene where he leaves Ginsberg's idea in the car is such a bad look for Draper and shows his true colors. The elevator scene just seals the deal as in "oh yeah, Draper is an absolute tosser". And it's not like there aren't beautiful scenes that really help you relate to the character either, he's just not two-dimensional and black-and-white, he is a complex character. All of the Mad Men characters are really... even the most charming ones have their 15 minutes of shame moments.

  • @rottensquid
    @rottensquid Жыл бұрын

    Very well done examination. It's all the more interesting because it tells you exactly why the show is popular. Some folks watch Mad Men and instantly pick up on the subtext, that Don's image of success and confidence is all smoke and mirrors. That's clear from episode 1, and it only deepens throughout the series. It's emphasized again and again as the entire statement of the show, on both a microcosmic and macrocosmic level. But there's a huge audience out there that just wants the image. It's not that they don't know it's an image. But for many, many people, presenting an image of strength is the same as being strong, presenting an image of confidence and success IS confidence and success. The image is the substance. What's beneath doesn't matter. It's weakness. And the goal of life is to hide it, to bury it. So they see Don's story as the struggle to find the strength to maintain the image, to bury his weaknesses. Just as Don himself sees it. So when he puts Ginsberg in his place, to these viewers, it doesn't matter that Don is lying when. It only matters that the stone-cold line is the ultimate shut-down. The true horror of humanity is that a huge portion of people aren't looking for truth, or self-acceptance, or healing. They're looking for strength, confidence, and success. And the parts of themselves that get in the way of that are to be repressed, or blamed on someone else. So when they watch Mad Men, or Breaking Bad for that matter, they see a very different show. And the thing is, we're all guilty of enjoying the power of Don Draper's image-making. The thrill of seeing Don prevail through self-delusion and seductive lies is undeniable. But when Don makes an ad that tells us that whatever we're doing is okay, we all know it'll end in cancer. But some of us just want to hear that we're okay, even though we're not.

  • @EddyTheMartian
    @EddyTheMartian2 жыл бұрын

    YES!!! Another mad men video, so excited you’re doing this.

  • @The2012Aceman
    @The2012Aceman2 жыл бұрын

    The “I don’t think about you at all” is a reference to a conversation between the protagonist and antagonist of The Fountainhead. It’s a truly epic shutdown of a self described megalomaniac. Here it appears to be twisted around to a false bravado.

  • @cantune86

    @cantune86

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I feel like hardly anyone makes this connection, despite all the Ayn Rand references in Mad Men.

  • @BarberBobDetecting

    @BarberBobDetecting

    Жыл бұрын

    Spot on! I just posted same notation.

  • @sadem1045

    @sadem1045

    Жыл бұрын

    It's still a great comeback lol

  • @benjackson103

    @benjackson103

    Жыл бұрын

    Haha I see I had the same thing to say.

  • @laurenl.6291

    @laurenl.6291

    Жыл бұрын

    I came here to say the exact same thing. It always made me think of Howard Roark's reply to Toohey.

  • @flerp
    @flerp Жыл бұрын

    I love how they repeatedly cut to Peggy's face during the feedback meeting. She clearly thinks Don's idea is awful and is in shock that everyone is humoring him.

  • @davidmascio1896

    @davidmascio1896

    Жыл бұрын

    Peggy was more caught off guard because Don thought of an idea from scratch Instead of building on one of the copywriters ideas, like Creative Directors do. Peggy for her faults is brutally honest and if she thought the idea stunk, she'd said so IMO. Especially considering the relationship Don and Peggy have, she is one who Don is most honest with in the whole show. It's never been said on camera but IMO Don told her at some point about his false identity. This is laid out in the last episode when he calls her and says :I took another man's name and made nothing of it". And Peggy didn't bat an eye or take a gasp. She knew what he was talking about. With that said, she like MGs idea better, but also thought Don's was good.

  • @pyropulseIXXI

    @pyropulseIXXI

    Жыл бұрын

    Then why did the account accept it?

  • @judywright4241

    @judywright4241

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pyropulseIXXI--Because it was pitched to adults BY an adult. Ginsburg’s idea was aimed at kids, even hitting a pig was funny. In a way it’s appealing to the adults that buy the product, kids might actually be frightened by that devil.

  • @jeremygman2710
    @jeremygman2710 Жыл бұрын

    Mad Men is a great show, but Don Draper is a character that left me feeling enormously sad almost every episode. He was such a flawed man. Yes, very "cool" and brilliant in many ways, but someone whose weaknesses and self-destructive tendencies took almost everything he loved away from him. Jon Hamm and of course the whole creative team behind the show did incredible work.

  • @mrsn3sbit888

    @mrsn3sbit888

    8 ай бұрын

    Reminds you a little bit of yourself?

  • @alexforce9

    @alexforce9

    26 күн бұрын

    Thats the point. Stories are based on conflict. External and internal ones. And if the character you created is perfect in every way - you only get to use external conflicts but also your protagonist will be stagnant and boring. You will have 7 seasons of shit happening to him but since he is already perfect - nothing of that have any affect on him. Both uninteresting and unrealistic.

  • @novamationmedia
    @novamationmedia Жыл бұрын

    Don does the same thing in "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword" when a New York Times reporter quotes Ted Chaough, saying "Every time Don Draper looks in his rearview mirror, he sees me," and Don replies, "I’ve never heard of him,".

  • @untexan

    @untexan

    Жыл бұрын

    That was different because Ted spent the entire 4th season being a horse's ass, and he certainly didn't pose some kind of existential crisis to Don the way Ginsburg did (or was at least contributing to)

  • @jfraz6246
    @jfraz6246 Жыл бұрын

    It was a true representation of poor leadership. A leader doesn’t have to have all the ideas, they have to know how to manage their teams and leverage their creativity and talents.

  • @thekingofoktimes
    @thekingofoktimes Жыл бұрын

    God thank you!! I have been so vexed by how people just don't understand this scene. People interpret it as some badass Mike drop moment but really it is one of Don's pathetic and petty moments!

  • @anneb889

    @anneb889

    Жыл бұрын

    I think most people who watch the entire show know it’s one of Don’s petty moments. Sure, it’s a great meme if you just take it at face value, but in the show you know Don is threatened by him.

  • @0_Katt_0

    @0_Katt_0

    Жыл бұрын

    There are some losers irl who idolize don. Which is funny to me, since Dons character just comes across as extremely insecure and miserable the entire show. Not “cool” or likable at all

  • @Twister6424

    @Twister6424

    Жыл бұрын

    They're not wrong. Draper showed that he doesn't respect Ginsburg and that point came across to Ginsburg. To Ginsburg's point, he should take this as a teaching moment and learn what he can about the environment he works in knowing that one day he'll surpass Draper.

  • @66thedevilluis88
    @66thedevilluis882 жыл бұрын

    This show has a special place in my heart.

  • @caetano1998
    @caetano19982 жыл бұрын

    Its funny how when I first watched the episode, I understood it. The show makes it quite clear that Don cares about this a lot, and that Ginsberg's words were true. But when I watched the scene randomly on youtube, it felt totally different. It really seems like Don "owned him"

  • @nicosuj
    @nicosuj Жыл бұрын

    It's very similar to the case of Peggy and Don arguing of her idea that made him win an award, and she just wants from him to recognize her while Don was falling into a complete downard spiral. Taking out of context people assume Peggy is only a snowflake while Don "says facts" about she will have her moment and that's why she was paid for (while their whole relationship wasn't never impersonal). He tried so hard to convince her and himself that he still had control, and splits their relationship in half because she knows he is at the verge and only authority is what keeps him afloat and not his creativity prowess. This series is just brilliant.

  • @megumin4805
    @megumin48052 жыл бұрын

    I always thought Don was speaking the truth in the way that he wasn't thinking about Ginsberg as a person, but more the work he's able to put in, like Don is thinking about his skill and talent, but not actually considering Ginsberg's feelings outside of that. Thanks for the video though, I appreciate the clarification!

  • @jaswerner419

    @jaswerner419

    Жыл бұрын

    Best analysis on the whole board .. correct answer

  • @wendigo1919

    @wendigo1919

    Жыл бұрын

    That's exactly how I viewed it as well. When he said, "I don't think about you at all", I took it as, "I don't [care] about you at all".. He meant it as an emotional jab, and it worked. He doesn't care about his feelings, but he does care about how Ginsburg is full of never-ending great ideas and how he is becoming stagnant and he feels threatened by that.

  • @davidmascio1896
    @davidmascio1896 Жыл бұрын

    Don clearly wanted to prove himself as still top dog after looking thru ginsberg's folder on a weekend before. He saw it and laughed, then instead of going home, he stayed and came up with the devil bit. However, Don was still going back and forth in the cab. Looking at both and deciding even as they pulled up to the meeting. So although it was clear Don wanted to use his idea, he was still thinking if MG's was the one to use.

  • @booksteer7057
    @booksteer7057 Жыл бұрын

    The real shame was that the two campaigns could've worked in sequence. Start with people being hit by snowballs from a mysterious thrower. Then, when the public has been hooked wondering who is throwing the snowballs, reveal that it's the Devil just having a little fun.

  • @Phil_Burton
    @Phil_Burton Жыл бұрын

    Great stuff. I always thought the writers really screwed it up by deciding to just make Ginsberg have a psychotic break for no particular reason. If I was writing the show I would have had a longer arc where he gets fed up with the WASPs and advertising and takes a job working for the Eugene McCarthy campaign or starts doing art full time for the Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam or something like that.

  • @wncoriginalmusic9869
    @wncoriginalmusic98692 жыл бұрын

    I think people confuse the tone with Casablanca's ‘I suppose if I gave you any thought at all I wouldn’t like you'

  • @parzemis7145
    @parzemis71452 жыл бұрын

    Keep the Mad Men content coming!!!

  • @ozmaozmaozmaozma
    @ozmaozmaozmaozma2 жыл бұрын

    Never ask a woman her age A man, his salary Or *Jon Hamm why he transferred from the University of Texas to the University of Missouri*

  • @ingvarhallstrom2306

    @ingvarhallstrom2306

    Жыл бұрын

    Ok, you sold me on this pitch. Now tell me the rest of the story, please?

  • @andrewdunn8778

    @andrewdunn8778

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ingvarhallstrom2306 hospitalized a guy with frat hazing shenanigans to the genitals I believe

  • @ingvarhallstrom2306

    @ingvarhallstrom2306

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andrewdunn8778 in such a way he had to transfer? That's bad. But he seems like the kind of frat boy bully he looks. I really hope he had become a better human since, one can only hope....

  • @telluwide5553
    @telluwide5553 Жыл бұрын

    Roger had a similar moment with Pete, only Roger seemingly did the opposite of what Don did by letting go. The scene with him giving Pete those skis demonstrated it all....

  • @jorge5213
    @jorge52132 жыл бұрын

    I havent watched a single episode of mad men, i just watch the video to see your interpretation of any scene. There always something to reflectionate about

  • @jasonmcintosh2632
    @jasonmcintosh2632 Жыл бұрын

    The lone “I dont think of you at all” is from the book The Fountainhead.

  • @EchoBravo370
    @EchoBravo3706 ай бұрын

    Out of context, the line is a slam dunk comeback. Which is why people love it. But you're right, anyone who knows the show knows Don is lying in this moment.

  • @jackb5640
    @jackb5640Ай бұрын

    I thought the most quoted line was "Not great, Bob!"

  • @Yevdokiya
    @Yevdokiya2 жыл бұрын

    Yeeeeees!!!! Please, PLEASE do more prestige TV content, I've loved every one of these so far.

  • @Aleczandxr

    @Aleczandxr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed, though this will be the last Mad Men one. There will be some more Breaking Bad though!

  • @doodoobutter9174

    @doodoobutter9174

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Aleczandxr :(

  • @anneb889
    @anneb889 Жыл бұрын

    I was thinking the most quoted/known line was THAT’S WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR! Lol. There’s a yt video of Don just saying What too….after I saw that I couldn’t get out if my head how much he does say What? Great analysis!

  • @AlexSanderK
    @AlexSanderK2 жыл бұрын

    MY COMMENTS WILL CONTAIN SPOILER FOR THE WHOLE SHOW This is kinda off-topic, but I just wanted to say that Michael Ginsberg is one of my favorite characters on the show and I think that the reason for that is how neat his whole arc is. Almost every little piece of information that is presented during the show come full circle and leads to his tragic end. For example, there is the whole awkward conversation that he had with Peggy about being adopted and being born on a concentration camp. Before he reveals that, he says that he is from Mars. While some people thought that was weird, when I first watched the episode, I thought that he was joking in his awkward way because he was uncomfortable talking about his family. Anyway, what impacted me the most in the confrontation between Don and Ginsberg was his line about how he got a million of ideas. That is one of the reasons his ending is so tragic to me. Oh, and I would like to thank you. It was your video about The Wheel episode that made me watch this show. I’m also watching Attack on Titan partially because of you, although the main reason is the controversial ending that made me curious.

  • @johnjones3813

    @johnjones3813

    Жыл бұрын

    I didn't Iike what they did to his character. Seemed like a stunt by the writers. I wanted him to end up with his blind date. She was a good actress and would have made a good addition to the show and to Ginsberg's life.

  • @ramses962
    @ramses962 Жыл бұрын

    It's a great dramatic choice in movies or TV to say the opposite of what you're truly feeling inside. I actually use it in real life on occasion when somebody says something to me and I'm not quite sure what to make of it and so I go with the most dramatic opposite choice in knowing what somebody is truly feeling internally.

  • @galactusholmes
    @galactusholmes Жыл бұрын

    It's funny how the ads are framed in the meeting at SCDP. The one they vote for is bigger and Don's noticeably smaller.

  • @courtneyshannon2621
    @courtneyshannon2621 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video. That elevator line from Don was such a wonderful use of irony and why I loved that show so much. It was frustrating to see the meme of it saying the opposite.

  • @gabi3
    @gabi3 Жыл бұрын

    Yep, it'a a savage line by Don, but I always thought him saying that was an L. Like you said, of course Don thinks about him. So it was just a deflection because what was said hurt him. Also, I always felt the "one who knocks" scene was also clearly an indication of Walt's solidified villanism. I feel like people who think it was a "cool" or "savage" moment from Walt also can identify that it was not a good one too

  • @NerdOnTheStreet
    @NerdOnTheStreet11 ай бұрын

    This wasn't the clip I was looking for, but you got my view because the description cited 13 Sentinels tracks and I was curious how a Mad Men video would be using them.

  • @theholypotato9536
    @theholypotato95362 жыл бұрын

    I mean I have to watch it now, right? Great video AJ.

  • @jareddesilva6957
    @jareddesilva69572 жыл бұрын

    LETS FUCKING GO BEEN HOPING FOR ONE FOR LIKE A YEAR !! And thanks cus ur video made me watch mad men initially 👍👌👌🤩

  • @gregoriobenavides
    @gregoriobenavides Жыл бұрын

    Interesting how the devil in Don’s ad looks as if he’s riding in the back of car, just as Don was when he left Ginsberg’s idea behind… “THis Could Change Everything.” Indeed it did.

  • @Malsum
    @Malsum9 ай бұрын

    I agree to the things said in the video. But there is an additional layer after all that, where Don came out on top. Layer 1. Where viewers only see the cool one liner. Layer 2. That is explained in the video, where Don is actually taken back and Ginsberg really hot under his skin. Level 3. ...is that Don - in the elevator - actually showed an example why he is the best of the two. As someone that has worked against advertising agencies since the 90s, i can assure you that Ginsbefg would have been burned in less than a year no matter where he worked. Just coming up,with good ideas isn't enough. Even coming up with brilliant amazing ideas isn't enough if you cant work them. And that goes for every creative craft - You can be the worlds most brilliant ad man, sculptor, painter, pastry chef... whatever - if you can't promote your idea, sell your idea, and bring your idea from start to finish... Then you haven't got all that it takes. Ginsberg spits out ideas like a machine gun ("I've got a thousand of them!") . But he hasn't got the skill or the personality to land them. Don does. He has the manners, and the rhetoric, the timing and the skill to know exactly where to strike home when he wants to make a point. And in the same way, Ginsberg spits out half accusations and half insults at Don in a frantic rate in the elevator. But that doesn't give Ginsberg a win, because he isn't good at that. He isn't selling it... Don is. Even if it is an act, he casualty delivers his "one liner" that crushes Ginsberg, and walks away a winner. At least in his opponents eye. That is a needed skill in advertising. Call it Fake it till you make it, or whatever. But if you can't drive home your creations, you realy arent the entire package. Don does all and more, and that's why he is sitting in the corner office.

  • @dagalfheim7056
    @dagalfheim7056 Жыл бұрын

    Draper was a ball of insecurity wrapped in a cloak of cool smugness (and some real ethical/values challenges as well ) it took the back of the fridge guy to help put things in perspective and balance him out.

  • @jld593
    @jld5938 ай бұрын

    That line was used in "The Fountainhead". Roark to the hack, Peter Keating when he asks "What do you think of me?"

  • @UnknownCartoonEditor
    @UnknownCartoonEditor2 жыл бұрын

    This context matters a lot, thanks

  • @djtecthreat
    @djtecthreat Жыл бұрын

    I think you're missing another angle. Don may have chosen his for another reason- sellability. He understands and can articulate it better than Ginsberg's idea.

  • @Aleczandxr

    @Aleczandxr

    Жыл бұрын

    He didn’t choose it because of that, the show makes it clear that it was purely because of his pride and ego and to put Ginsberg in his place.

  • @etang5
    @etang5 Жыл бұрын

    I had a similar thought for this and the "I am the one who knocks" scene. The context changes the read so completely.

  • @matthewhoward2551
    @matthewhoward2551 Жыл бұрын

    I think it stands out, with or without context, because the insult attacks that which his adversaries hold most dear; their ego. This isn’t the only time he chooses this line of attack either. I seem to recall him doing the same thing when a reporter asked him to comment on a rival. “On the record? Never heard of him.”

  • @danacruikshank3945
    @danacruikshank39457 ай бұрын

    One piece that aligns with what you're saying - Matt Weiner said that he always envisioned Don dead by the early '80s, a victim of hard living and stress.

  • @jplourde11
    @jplourde11 Жыл бұрын

    At a creative agency the best ideas have to win. Don is insecure, and not caring about junior creative’s input is just bad management and bad business - people will leave if their ideas aren’t even given a chance.

  • @jimelewa7861
    @jimelewa7861 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve watched it 4 times too, and still find new things. Little thing, big things. It’s the perfect show

  • @sallyneary1996

    @sallyneary1996

    Жыл бұрын

    You could watch it purely for the visual pleasure.

  • @ConnorDRyan
    @ConnorDRyan9 ай бұрын

    I loved the episodes where Don would journal his thoughts. really gave a good insight into his way of thinking more, which I think the whole show could benefitted from if it was tastefully added throughout the seasons

  • @gallagher52454
    @gallagher524548 ай бұрын

    Isn't it great that we have these fictions that generate thought and comment, opening doors to ideas that challenge . long live Art in all its forms.

  • @michaelsamueldantonio
    @michaelsamueldantonio Жыл бұрын

    Welcome to every ad agency I’ve ever worked at ever.

  • @anirudhdwivedi6673
    @anirudhdwivedi667323 күн бұрын

    Loved every bit of the video. Especially the ending.

  • @julioibarra7156
    @julioibarra71568 ай бұрын

    Ginsberg totally needed to be put in his place. He was starting to walk around that place like he was their savior

  • @Ambervert95
    @Ambervert958 ай бұрын

    As the saying goes “you don’t have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the person next to you” - Don is running faster but feeling slower.

  • @streamlinemoderne
    @streamlinemoderne2 ай бұрын

    As someone who's been a copywriter in advertising, I've always been shocked by how the best idea doesn't always win. It's infuriating to have a creative director sabotage an idea before the client even has time to do it. We always went in with at least three campaigns. I know there's at least 100 different schools of thought on the idea of how many ideas to bring to the client. But to bring in just one idea is risky as hell. IMHO, Don leaving Ginsberg's ideas in the cab was one of the biggest betrayals in the whole series.

  • @pauldavies5611
    @pauldavies5611 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent analysis. Thank you!

  • @Aleczandxr

    @Aleczandxr

    Жыл бұрын

    My pleasure!

  • @JG-qt3pn
    @JG-qt3pn Жыл бұрын

    The Lion in Winter (1968) - Geoffrey : You don't think of me much. Henry II : Much? I don't think of you at all.

  • @felicix
    @felicix Жыл бұрын

    I always thought this as well. The moment he purposefully left the other idea in the cab it was obvious.

  • @josemejia9349
    @josemejia9349 Жыл бұрын

    Draper made the right decision. Had he thought of Ginsberg’s feelings, they would not have gotten the account

  • @kellyharper8072
    @kellyharper8072 Жыл бұрын

    Pete while being a weasel was right about Don too.

  • @roshandmatabick6676
    @roshandmatabick6676 Жыл бұрын

    Every boss, ever.

  • @theorderofthebees7308
    @theorderofthebees73088 ай бұрын

    Bravo !!! Good point I would love more Mad Men Analysis

  • @broncobilly4029
    @broncobilly4029 Жыл бұрын

    DD was bothered which is why it was such a great line. It was a brushback pitch and it was delivered perfectly. The point was to get in Ginsburg's head and to remind him who was in charge without losing his cool. That way he left Ginsburg with enough self respect for him to continue to work productively with DD.

  • @yossibenayoun5642
    @yossibenayoun5642 Жыл бұрын

    that ginsberg was a creative guy and would have rose very high if his mental health didn't deteriorate but honestly don's idea on this account was so much better

  • @SimpleManGuitars1973
    @SimpleManGuitars19739 ай бұрын

    Peggy told Don once when she was comparing him and Ted that basically Ted was interested in "the" idea but Don was only interested in "his" idea. I know most consider Don the protagonist of this show but honestly the only person on this show that I personally consider a protagonist is actually Ken Cosgrove. He seems to be the only one with a true moral compass of all the main characters. He never cheats on his wife. He is always honest. He always tries to do what is right and expects it of others. He never tries to prop himself up and even uses a "pen name" to write sci-fi stories that are actually quite good. Compare that to all the other characters and their infidelities and moral shadiness and he's about the only one that comes out at the end with his conscience still clean. I'm not meaning this to sound judgmental or anything of all the other characters. Just an observation. I love the show and honestly I don't even know if the writers themselves wanted us to think of the characters in terms of "good guys and bad guys". There is tons of ambiguity in the vast majority of the series.

  • @saeta
    @saeta Жыл бұрын

    I agree with you 100%, however in Don's favor one must say Ginsberg was clearly not the kind of person thinking for the group; he clearly was a menace to DOn because he wanted his job, he was just as selfish as Don was. So, basically my point, is that it was about a wolf biting the wolf that wants to get him out

  • @Aleczandxr

    @Aleczandxr

    Жыл бұрын

    Well of course, like I said Ginsberg was definitely being too much of an upstart.

  • @redhood444

    @redhood444

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmaooo wanted his job? No Ginsberg is just too honest and didn’t understand business. But there was no way he thought he would get his job i mean dons name is literally on the company. He just did something the corporate world hates. An underlying rightly calling out his boss

  • @andrewgilmore1443
    @andrewgilmore1443 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video. Very interesting!

  • @BarberBobDetecting
    @BarberBobDetecting Жыл бұрын

    This line, “I don’t think of you at all,” is directly lifted from Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead when Howard Roark tells Toohey, “But I don’t think of you.”

  • @botermb6559
    @botermb65598 ай бұрын

    Honestly that scene was good enough that you could come up with the context without having seen the show

  • @JewTube001
    @JewTube0012 жыл бұрын

    All it took was a war in ukraine to get us a second mad men video.

  • @GlebNerzhin
    @GlebNerzhin Жыл бұрын

    So why the later scene when Ginsburg has a bizarre psychotic break? It only makes Don look wise in keeping Ginsburg at arm’s length.

  • @Aleczandxr

    @Aleczandxr

    Жыл бұрын

    It doesn’t make Don look wise at all if you consider the reason he did what he did. He had no clue, really.

  • @nowayhoeway
    @nowayhoeway Жыл бұрын

    I also like choice of words used in this scene used by each character. This may be nit-picky but notice how Ginsburg says "I FEEL bad for you" and Don immediately and defensively responds "I don"t THINK about you at all". Ginsburg had only mentioned that he had felt bad for him not mentioning at all whether he thinks about him or not.

  • @benjackson103
    @benjackson103 Жыл бұрын

    I’m thoroughly convinced that this scene is inspired but The Fountainhead where Ellsworth Toowey asks Howard Roark to tell him what he thinks about him. To which Roark replies “but I don’t think of you”. There is one instance in the series where Ayn Rand, the author of The Fountainhead is referenced. Leading me to believe the writes where aware of this scene.

  • @laotse_
    @laotse_ Жыл бұрын

    Excellent analysis of an important scene from my second favorite show of all time, now taken over by Succession.

  • @mainchannel1566
    @mainchannel15667 ай бұрын

    It's a good meme, and I'll never stop using it

  • @nateweter4012
    @nateweter40123 ай бұрын

    Very well done analysis.

  • @bisikolok
    @bisikolok11 ай бұрын

    Everyone gets Don's acting cool here and we wish we were like that too, able to stay composed

  • @clintcetti
    @clintcetti7 ай бұрын

    It’s funny exactly what you said we don’t understand is EXACTLY what we understand. It’s Bad Ass because it’s a zinger in the moment. Everyone in the type of situation is lying about not thinking of the threat, but if delivered right, the line gets thoroughly under the skin of the upstart.

  • @if6was929
    @if6was929 Жыл бұрын

    If I were Ginsberg, I wouldn't let Draper get away with that. I would have worked up a rough sketch of my idea and I'd have taken it to the client and presented it to them in person. I've been in similar situations and I know that what I'm suggesting would be a risk but I'd have taken it.

  • @untexan

    @untexan

    Жыл бұрын

    And he would have been insta-fired and probably blackballed. This was not something anyone would do in the 1960s advertising industry, or the 1960s anything industry really.

  • @dielaughing73

    @dielaughing73

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@untexan ..or today. It's a terrible idea and the client would almost certainly hate it

  • @TenaciousTentacruel
    @TenaciousTentacruel Жыл бұрын

    Almost every scene in madmen is misunderstood by most people

  • @dellwright1407

    @dellwright1407

    Жыл бұрын

    The birth of the reader is the death of the author (Roland Barthes)... suggests the meaning of text/the scene lies not in the directors/writers intent but in the readers/viewers own individual interpretation.

  • @TenaciousTentacruel

    @TenaciousTentacruel

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dellwright1407 except the dude bros who admire Don Draper and the the puritans who abhor him are equally objectively shallow. The complex traumas of almost all the characters on the show are too painful for most to willfully grasp. The popularity of the show creates a reductive narrative for the casual viewer

  • @PhilosopherThom
    @PhilosopherThom Жыл бұрын

    Nice analysis. Mad Men is a show deep enough so that it pays to revisit/analyse it. And this was thoughtful and made a clear point, well argued. You've got a new subscriber.

  • @Vne87
    @Vne87 Жыл бұрын

    Snowball is a soft drink?

  • @Hossak
    @Hossak9 ай бұрын

    Ginsberg then goes a bit loopy and is taken away for treatment. He was no Don as the first few life hurdles caused him to crash to the ground in a heap and that was that. Assuming that if things went better he would not end up in a similar fashion is just totally incorrect as getting some setbacks at work is just Monday-Friday for most people. All roads lead to Rome sometimes.

  • @cramptwin
    @cramptwin9 ай бұрын

    Make more of Mad Men

  • @RayFromLUCKYSHADOW
    @RayFromLUCKYSHADOW Жыл бұрын

    It really is the absolute best. I love me some Sopranos and The Wire and all that good stuff, but nothing comes close to Mad Men. It's like reading a huge novel.

  • @jorgecgbr
    @jorgecgbr Жыл бұрын

    When i first watched i thought to myself that Don on thinks only about himself, thus, not thinking about him at all.

  • @AnaRocio2001
    @AnaRocio20014 ай бұрын

    La mejor serie de todos los tiempos, el personaje principal (Don Draper) es el mejor escrito, desarrollado y actuado que he visto en toda mi vida.

  • @anondalorian3719
    @anondalorian3719 Жыл бұрын

    Ginsburg eventually leveled out and became much happier and more well adjusted

  • @dumpsterdog879

    @dumpsterdog879

    Жыл бұрын

    Happier? Maybe... Well adjusted? 💀💀💀

  • @stevedekorte
    @stevedekorte Жыл бұрын

    Was anyone else reminded of the 30 Something scene between Miles and Michael?

  • @Hengoed
    @Hengoed2 жыл бұрын

    Yoooo i was jsut thinking about this scene. Holy fuck the odds

  • @dragunov815
    @dragunov8152 жыл бұрын

    Interesting perspective.

  • @dool1002
    @dool1002 Жыл бұрын

    Although common issue and reflective in the real world (ie. ego, authoritarian, etc), Ginsberg had a great idea but executed poorly. He should blame himself for not committing all the way and see that his idea and service come to fruition. If he ever became a great salesman, the idea would be conceived and implanted into Don's mind...

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