Love this channel. He has the right amount of crackheaded humor.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for giving your thoughts on the videos!

This definitely takes me back to that golden era. I love your videos. Great entertainment.

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

That’s great to hear. Thanks Leon!

A very solid, straightforward video. I learned a lot about the Quadra 800

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear that! Thanks for letting me know.

My first Mac working in a real design job out of college!

@jaminova_1969

3 жыл бұрын

Same here! I never graduated college, but I did manage to teach myself Photoshop and got a CD-Rom graphics / design job on an interactive CD-Rom crirca 1994. And we used almost exclusively the Quadra and Power Mac lineup!

I was literally playing Marathon when you started playing the game.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

That's a great coincidence!

@truthsocialmedia

3 жыл бұрын

Marathon sucks

@truthsocialmedia

3 жыл бұрын

Marathon won the ugliest box design for Video game ever.

@petey8155

3 жыл бұрын

@@truthsocialmedia shut

@jaminova_1969

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You for reminding me of a great memory! As budding young artists, one night we snuck in to work and had ourselves a group Marathon session!

this is a very informative video i learned a lot of things i didnt even know i needed to know your voice and tone is soft and slow it really makes me focus on what youre saying lol

I thought the Quadra 840AV was the best of the 68000 line-not to take anything away from the beloved SE/30-but thanks to your video I now know it was the fastest of its generation.

@RobertLeather

4 жыл бұрын

It was, it sported a 68040 at 40 MHz vs the 800's 33 MHz and that's before you mention the 66.7 MHz AT&T DSP 3210 DSP. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Quadra_840AV Source: everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_quadra/specs/mac_quadra_840av.html Also, I owned one.

@telesniper2

Жыл бұрын

Apple had been naming all computers using the 68030 processers with an "x", such as the IIx and IIcx. When it came time to put the 68030 processor into the SE series, they unfortunately decided that calling it the Macintosh "SEx" wasn't the best marketing idea, so they settled on "SE 30".

I just found your videos - they're great! We had a Quadra 800 that used to run Apple Service Source, as well as serving as a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge.

@65scribe

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Good to hear from an original Quadra 800 user.

I miss my Quadra 840AV. That was my "go to" machine for about 5 years until I purchased my PowerMac G4 (400hz) in 2000. I loved it for Photoshop! I never did use its AV ports for video capture beyond experimentation. It was a fantastic machine and I still miss using. I am shocked at how the GUI and software seemed to be pretty snappy on it back then as compared to OSX or Win10 today. Thanks for making this video --brought back some good memories.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting, Kelsey. Sounds like we had roughly the same ownership history. I agree that the latest OS's are frustratingly laggy in comparison.

Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make this.

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome, Paul. Thanks for the feedback.

You should do a video on the LC 575. My mom was an elementary school teacher, and she had one of those in her classroom. During the summer, she got to bring it home...and I spent a lot of time playing with it as a teenager since we couldn't afford our own home computer at that point in time. It was a cool little machine for its day.

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

My experience was similar. My mom was an elementary school teacher and was allowed to bring home the school's Commodore PET on weekends. That was the first computer I ever used, and it was fascinating. I did once get an LC 575 with a burned-out monitor, but then it was completely destroyed in a basement flood. I do have the LC 520 which I may base a future video on. Thanks for the suggestion!

I owned a bunch of rescued Macs that included a Quadra 700 and an 800. I loved both, but ended up really adopting the 700, largely due to the PITA of the case, as you outline here. The 700 was maxed, with a great Radius graphics card a Sonnet QuadDoubler that took it to 50 Mhz. I loved both those old computers, but that 700 was really nicely designed.

I remember being blown away when the Quadra could start up from CD-ROM, in 1993.

I do have Mac G3 tower and I am happy with it. Thanks for sharing !

My freshman year at the University of Texas, we had these in the computer lab, and they just flew compared to the 486 PC and dial-up modem in my dorm room, plus of course System 7 felt way more refined than Windows 3.1. The lab was half Quadra 800's and half Dell PC's, and I liked the Macs so much better, and finally got a Mac clone of my own a year and a half later (equivalent to the PowerMac 8100 but with a much more accessible case).

@65scribe

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that. I never encountered a Quadra 800 'in the wild' when they were in use.

@kirishima638

7 жыл бұрын

I had one of those. It was built like a tank and weighed as much as one.

@aegisofhonor

7 жыл бұрын

back when I was going to get my first computer, I almost decided on getting a Radius 81/110, but decided instead on a 7500/100. I kind of wish I went with the 81/110 because it's so much nicer looking and would have been faster, though not by much. I still turn on and use my old 7500 (now upgraded to a G4/400) from time to time, but I sometimes wonder if an 81/110 would have been better.

love the boot chime on these

I use to love watching Computer Chronicles on KCSM

@65scribe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s great that they went to the effort of putting it all up on the Internet Archive.

I recall having to upgrade RAM in one of these monsters back in the days.... it was HELL.

That case was definitely a pain in the rump to work with but it sure did look good! I also miss the Apple Extended Keyboard II

And in 2019 Apple re-introduced their tower line :)

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

Another good point. I guess I didn’t future-proof that video. :) I wasn’t expecting Apple to change direction on the MacPro.

@Snake_2066

4 жыл бұрын

@Codey Vargas jeez, that was a little overly aggressive...

"And that's unfortunate." The story of post-Steve (as well as interim pre-Steve) Apple.

love the crash sound on this one

CD drive ejects caddy... aww a swing and a Myst..

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, boy... hah!

Yeah... Sad to see the Steve Jobs era Mac Pros being the last Macs to use the tower form factor. Should have definitely ponied up to own one when I had the chance.

@sittingstill3578

3 жыл бұрын

Hello from the future, surprise towers are back! 🤣 And the return of historical professional Apple pricing. But you know this already.

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

With no indication they are going to bring it down to 'prosumer' level pricing, it still basically feels like there's no Mac tower.

@sittingstill3578

3 жыл бұрын

@@65scribe True especially since the iMac Pro line was discontinued this year (March 6, 2021). Maybe Apple is really trying to push people to the M1 MacBooks and iPad Pro for prosumer work.

I started college in 1995 and we had one of these as an audio editor / DAW. It was my first experience with a DAW, and they still had a class to teach old-fashioned tape splicing at the time! I couldn't tell you about its' internals; I just know we had an external 1.2 GB SCSI hard drive, along with an external (2x?) CD Burner. I believe the software was Sound Designer II connected with a DigiDesign Audio Interface. It amazed me at the time, and I burned my first CD in 1995 (the blank cost me 14.99 at the school bookstore!!)

@Kennephone

11 ай бұрын

That 2x CD burner must have cost the school several thousand dollars back then. It wasn't until 1995 than HP released the first burner under $1000, and they had probably gotten it a year or 2 earlier.

@soundguydon

11 ай бұрын

@@Kennephone I'm not positive it was a 2x, but I think it was. I just remember being amazed that I could create my very own CD! I also remember having to be very careful, because if there was a buffer problem (or any problem for that matter), you'd end up with a $15 coaster. (Good times though, wouldn't trade them for anything.)

the power mac 8100 used the same style case, similar to the 7100 using the quadra/centris 650, performa 600, iivx/iivi's case and the 6100 using the quadra/centris 610 and 660av's case

I just recently discovered your videos, and have really enjoyed your videos, your unique (no, that is not code for something else) style, and all the knowledge. Having grown up on the PC side, never followed macs: so it is interesting to learn and see all I (perhaps fortunately given the company at that time) missed out on. Appreciate all the time and research you put in on the content. Along those lines, and in relation to this video, did you know the guys behind Myst got their start doing games for hypercard? Given your depth of knowledge I am guessing you do. Regardless, if you haven't seen it they did a bit on ArsTechnica's WarStories series a while back talking about it. Thought you might enjoy it if you haven't caught that one. (The one for Prince of Persia is similar in that it goes into talking about the issue designing around with those early Mac's limitations. Regardless, enjoy the content and keep up the good work. 😊

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info Andrew. And glad to hear the video plays well outside the nostalgic Mac crowd. I did actually play around with one of the pre-Myst Hypercard games called The Manhole. Really good to entertain kids back in the day. Next thing I knew they're using the same game concept for Myst, which just blew-up the whole games industry. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Appreciated!

Awesome video

@65scribe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I got into Macs with the LC III and I've always loved the design of this lineup. Unfortunately, actually getting a Centris or Quadra was always just a distant dream.

Ah, Myst. . ..so much time evaporated in that game. CDs were so slow, when 700MB HDs came out, I paid $700 for one *JUST* to copy the CD to the drive and play faster. My level of stupidity at that time knew no limits.

@65scribe

2 жыл бұрын

lol. Great story, Ken.

3:03 Sound of a Quantum HDD initializing 🙂

Those old 90's style towers. Took plenty of those apart in my day.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that ;)

I absolutely hated it's form factor. Nice to look at from the outside, but hell when you had to do anything in the inside!

I have a quadra 800 with one of those upgrade cards I recently installed mac os 8.1 some times when my mac boots I get the normal mac start up tone and sometimes it sounds like a power mac 4400 start up chime. I have a questing when I installed the upgrade processor card do I need to install some driver or does the machine know its there and uses the card automatically

@65scribe

2 жыл бұрын

There is a control panel that allows you to turn the card off and on. I look at it in my 6100 video, briefly.

This system is truly an Octarian 68K beast!

Oh geez, I was watching this and I thought it seemed familiar... then realized I had liked it so I guess I must've seen this some years ago 😂

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

Didja know Myst was written in HyperCard? HyperCard is also why Mac users tended to yawn when they saw the World Wide Web. We had seen it before. HyperTalk was also the direct influence for JavaScript. I named the Quadra 800 in my Graphic Production class "Zimbabwe".

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

I did know that, and it's one of the amazing Mac stories I hope to cover in this series. Good to hear from a Quadra 800 user!

My old Presario 5240 comes apart in a very similar way to this Quadra. Except I don't have to take off the front cover, and the Presario is much smaller.

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Thanks for sharing your experience with the old Compaq model.

I like the design

I'd love it if you made a video for the PPC 601 Upgrade Card!

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea to look further into the upgrade card. Thanks for the suggestion!

Back in the late 80's / mid 90's, the only true, affordable, usable multimedia personal computers were the Commodore Amiga line. However, the Power Mac held its own and the Adobe Suite was pretty decent! I was also a tester for Quicktime!

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

Just based on how loyal users were to the Amiga, I'd believe that's true.

@jaminova_1969

3 жыл бұрын

@@65scribe Oh, it was great!It gave birth to the Video Toaster and scores of inexpensive CG and 3D CGI. I even belonged to an Amiga user group. those were the days! However, I owe alot to the Mac and gained experience on several projects because of it!

but the quadra 700's design looks so much better

The VERY SAME computer I ever had my elementary school let us borrow these to teach us about using computers in the home as well as in school

@65scribe

Жыл бұрын

A very cool computer to learn on. Thanks Desmond!

@DesmondShannon87

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@65scribe No problem because yeah this baby was a true old reliable to be sure...thing was I could swear that when I was asleep at night and it was off, I could hear it boot on by itself waking me up and I'd see it turn on😮, which yeah sure that's not spooky or creepy at all when you're a little kid back in the day!

My favorite part of Elmo’s preschool was in the spelling game where you identify objects- you can throw them at Elmo and he complains

@65scribe

Жыл бұрын

My son used to do that and was his main take-away from the game. lol.

@agy234

Жыл бұрын

@@65scribe “please don’t throw things at Elmo!”

Reminds me a bit of druaga1's videos, very funny yet informative

I had a IIsi with the co-processor card. I dreamed of getting a quadra back then! I used to play Marathon on my IIsi in a tiny window and it still ran like crap! There was another bungie game before Marathon that was really really good! 'Pathways into darkness', also a first person shooter. I remember in 1994 my friend got the first powerpc 6100/60 and it ran Marathon amazing!

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that. I didn't really know about Marathon until I bought an external ZIP drive for my 6100/60AV and it came with a Marathon Demo. So, I never had to run it on a 68K machine. In the manual Bungie says you can even run it on 68020 machines (LC and MacII), but does not recommend it. They say, "Look on the bright side. Apple just lowered their prices again..."

@brendanhoffmann8402

5 жыл бұрын

65scribe I have the whole trilogy on my iPad now! They’ve just updated it to support 64 bit too as it was taken off the App Store for a while when they stopped distributing 32 bit apps.

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried Marathon on iPad, but that's good to hear. I wonder if the interface is as good as a keyboard, or if it would work with a keyboard.

@brendanhoffmann8402

5 жыл бұрын

65scribe I think they’ve recently updated it to work with some kind of peripheral. Mfi controller?? I’ve played it mostly with the touch screen controls and it is really challenging. But if you turn the difficulty down it is not bad. Would love to try with a controller or even better a keyboard

Great, I didnt remember that Quadras were still with the 68040. Seems that the last member of the family (68060) was seldom used anywhere. Thank you for your vid,.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

My first Mac!

Your vids are strangely addictive. Might have something to do with the fact I worked on a Quadra 700/800 in the early 90's and spent way too long playing Myst, Marathon and later, Halo.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

That would do it. I spent the mid-90's the same way, except on a 6100.

You forgot the actual step 1 for removing the logic board: pull all expansion cards. The MLB's not going noplace with cards installed. Sadly even up through the 9500 the third external drive slot in this case was basically reserved for tape since the front panel's shielding was only large enough to accept such a drive even after removing the blanking plate. Kind of dumb if you hoped to put in a second CD drive or something but you may have been able to cram a 3.5" MO or Zip in there if you were determined and didn't care about how ugly it was after the fact (or could find a custom bezel which I think I have for an 8500). The floppy bezel on these and a couple other Quadra/Centris models was specially designed to work with either the auto or manual inject drives. Note the indent at the bottom that's not present on the old auto-inject models but isn't fully developed as it is on the manual-inject types. There were a handful of Macs around this time, mostly '040 and NuBus PPCs, that could use either auto or manual inject drives where most others would only work with either/or (at least, not without cable mods), for example the Color Classic (auto only) or Performa 6400 (manual only). The lower drive bay was reserved for fixed disks and was able to accommodate either a single full-height 3.5" drive, or an optional server-focused caddy for two half-height drives. The latter was more for the 8100 and later models with their second SCSI bus but with a FWB JackHammer installed it would work just as well here.

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent details, Frank. I know who to ask when I get stumped on something!

the Quadra 800 and subsequent 800 designs were truly a bear to operate on, so when you DO go to upgrade, it, get everything you'd ever need and max it out so you never ever have to do it again.

@CassandraCarter

7 жыл бұрын

I had its successor, the 8100/80. I swear, after the first time I upgraded it, I just left the case off for a loooooong time.

@aegisofhonor

7 жыл бұрын

my brother for a short time had an upgraded Quadra 800, he tried to open it up to upgrade the ram, could not get it off correctly and I think he even ended up partly breaking part of the case trying to get it back together. He said it was by far the worst case he had ever tried to open in like 50 computers he had used both PC and mac, it was such a nightmare. I think he sold the parts to someone, I don't know.

@mspeter97

6 жыл бұрын

I remember having to open one to fix a bad cable connection. Worst case design ever

The tower line still exists! It's just, a, trashcan... (Seriously Apple, I've been waiting SIX YEARS for a new tower!)

@vinapocalypse

4 жыл бұрын

Broke: trash can computer Woke: cheese grater computer

caddy drives kick butt, oh here's this super expensive software I need to run all the time from CD, put it in a caddy and leave it there never touching it again .... but have a kicker around for random disks you use only to install or whatever and back out again ... BRILLIANT

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Agree!

FUCK elmo's preschool was my GAMMEEE

What an incredible channel! Almost finished watching all your Mac episodes after discovering the channel yesterday. Shared the channel with my Dad who is also watching all the episodes. I am also from southern Ontario and have been a Mac user since late 1987 (Plus and SE). Any chance you were a member of MUGLO (Macintosh User Group of London Ontario)? Used to meet at TV London office, and then Central Highschool. Cheers! Hope to see more episodes!

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! Good to hear from someone local, who also started with Mac computers in the 80's. I was never a member of MUGLO, though I wish I had known about it, since I went to school in London from 1987-1990. I did go to a few Sarnia User Group meetings in later years. I'm glad you found and like the channel. Thanks for sharing it, too! They will appear slowly, but there will be more episodes.

@65scribe

2 жыл бұрын

Funny story - I was looking through a pile of old computer stuff near London, and they had a couple of boxes of disks that had the MUGLO logo on them. They must have been distributed at the meetings. It made me think of your comment and come back to it.

What did people do on computers before the internet?

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Word Processing and Games mostly :)

What's a "PRO-cessor"?

YAAAAY

DAMN

neat

Where is the "damn" from?! Back to the Future?

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

No, I was recording a friend playing Pole Position in the 80’s and the car stalled out just a couple meters from the finish line. That was his response. But it applies to so many other aspects of life.

@JoeyVictorVideos

5 жыл бұрын

65scribe I absolutely love your channel. Thank you for all the facts and laughs.

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks very much! I’m glad to hear that you got something out of them and thanks for subscribing. I post videos irregularly so subscription notifications are handy thing for us both.

Easy removal of drives my ass lol 😂 they were the worst trying to get out

7:58

Computers are headed in the cost direction w gpu prices. There was so much software to choose from now is just cheeses app.

Almost thought I was watching Drugga1

@Cyber_Horse_Studios87

3 жыл бұрын

“Knowing Apple, it should be stupid easy... but knowing Apple it should be ret****d hard” -Druaga1

486 alternative, multimedia hype

You never mentioned the 840av. Still pretty good video

@65scribe

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and you make a good point. I tried not to stray too far from the featured computer in case I got hold of a 840av down the road (yeah, right). Plus the 840av was an alternative to the 800, not a replacement for it, so that's why I only talked about the 8100 as the successor.

@superstar64

6 жыл бұрын

65scribe I get what you’re saying, but by alternative do you pretty much mean “variation” where it’s the same machine but with some slight differences?

@65scribe

6 жыл бұрын

The Quadra 840av and 660av were the new line of Macs engineered for audio-video work, so I definitely wouldn't say slight differences, but using the same cases as the Quadra 800 and 610. The 840av was the fastest 68K mac to ever be built and was still available for a few months after the Powermac 8100 came out.

Poor LC520. I'm trying to get a LC 575 myself...I bought a LC 580 off eBay but it...exploded. I'm not kidding, the upper part of the casing broke in about 20 places and the machine is now entirely worthless!

@65scribe

7 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a pretty catastrophic failure! I do still have the LC 520, but had a second one for parts that I got at a thrift shop for $4. I took a picture of the LC 520 for Wikipedia, and now it's everywhere! Even copyrighted on Chinese websites. LOL.

@VSigma725

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's only good for parts...the 500MB IDE drive will come in handy for my Performa 630 if it's still good, and old Mac CD drives are always handy. If I had the know-how, I'd make it into an external drive for my SE/30, SE, and soon to be acquired IIsi. Meanwhile, I search for a LC 550 or 575, hopefully one I don't have to ship!

@DynoBytes

7 жыл бұрын

V. Sigma I've got a Performa 575

@VSigma725

7 жыл бұрын

Lucky you! I was after a Performa 550 but the price of the eBay auction just reached insane heights and therefore I won't be getting it.

@DynoBytes

7 жыл бұрын

V. Sigma So I take it your still looking for something like this?

Lol it went BLECH!!! I hate discs

Clean laser lens? Adjust laser output? No, REPLACE DRIVE.

at the end about Apple discontinuing the tower... what a shit storm i have 3 dedicated mac users i am friends with and they switched to hackintosh when they went to the trash can..

@65scribe

5 жыл бұрын

Apple has its good and bad towers. Like any major purchase, buyers have to do their homework. My 8600 (1997), G4 (2000), and Mac Pro (2008) are all performing well. The point is that now there’s not even an option for an upgradeable Mac and Apple is leaving money on the table.

Hilarious they stole your photo!

All that old plastic looks like its going to spontaneously combust.

Came here for 2:58

@65scribe

3 жыл бұрын

You have good taste. Very classic.

I've always liked Apple products but they were always too expensive for my budget. Today is even worse with a baseline price of a Mac Pro being $5999.99. Also, when you use today's Apple products, you are forced into their ecosystem of peripherals. Don't get me wrong, the Mac Pro is a well designed machine, but I'm not going to spend $5999.99 on a desktop given the current state of the PC market. Rather than spend $5999.99 on a Mac Pro, I could: build my own PC for a fraction of the cost of a Mac Pro, install the MacOS on it and save thousands of dollars.

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Completely correct. It’s one of the reasons I still use a 2008 Mac Pro as my main machine. Admittedly, that would not work for many users needs.

@DestructZero

4 жыл бұрын

@@65scribe The 2008 Mac Pro is an outstanding machine. I like the case of the 2008 Mac Pro better than today's Mac Pro. I've never seen the inside of a 2008 Mac Pro, but it seems to me that you should be able to swap out the motherboard for a newer one and replace some of the hardware. Given Apple's tendency toward propriety, this might turn out to be major surgery and you'd better off building a Hackintosh. Sorry about the rambling. :)

@65scribe

4 жыл бұрын

Moving from the G5 to Intel Xeon freed up a lot of room inside the case, but what I like is that I can still load PowerPC software as needed. That might be an idea to hack a second-hand Mac Pro to something more modern.

brughhh. my homje had one of those. it loojed lije a stock car. i wasnt even alowed to look at it...soo we ordered a pizza with the built in telephony software