“Can I push back on Jeff Teague?” “....he’s been pushed enough.” Highlight.

@razkable

4 жыл бұрын

they make fun of players but they are choosing bums so why not go with an all star?..that means something....its not handed out to everyone...24-25 guys get to be all stars yearly....out of over now 480 players..thats like 2% of the nba

@sammyttheg412

3 жыл бұрын

@@razkable more like 5% but valid point

I was watching his 2010 redraft and was like where TF is 09 and now I'm here. Zach and Bill together is great, so informative but fun.

@fortynights1513

8 ай бұрын

He should revisit this, and do 2011, 2012, and 2013.

I wonder if Simmons does the “if you did his career 20 times” on other jobs - like maybe an Applebee’s server who gives him bad service or an Uber driver in the wrong car is Simmons’ opinion

Jrue Holiday can be the third best player on a championship team is a take that aged really well

@TheHarvbinger

4 ай бұрын

Very good chance he’ll get another ring as the 4th or 5th best guy on a team this year too. Just a great, high character two way guy who’d fit on pretty much any team.

@user-kg5gr1wu9m

15 күн бұрын

Proven right again

Bill Simmons clipperseasonticketing the Lowe Post Podcast on minute 37.

When Bill and Zach get together is magic instantly.

The echo on zach’s mic makes me feel like I’m listening to him in a lecture hall

25:25 draft starts

How was Darren Collison not mentioned once?!

@maxdurk4624

Жыл бұрын

They have always been low on Collison

I want the weed that somehow makes ty Lawson the 6th pick

@Thegamerboyjay

4 жыл бұрын

It’s gotta be 🔥

@AH-yu2pi

4 жыл бұрын

Wedding Cake, an Indica hybrid, helps you conjure and believe stuff like that just before getting the best sleep of the year.

@ericlytle2209

4 жыл бұрын

Ty Lawson for like 2 years was absolutely crushing it in a similar way to Isaiah Thomas

@AH-yu2pi

4 жыл бұрын

@@ericlytle2209 Still not worthy of the 6th pick, but come on and pass that. 🤵🏿+👰🏿+🎂=🔥

@jordan12118

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericlytle2209 He was never close to Isaiah Thomas levels

“Why the two orders colonel jessup!?” Bill bringing the rewatchables into the pod.

Rubio definitely had the worst version of his career, i watched him have a 5 game stretch with the wolves where we had a murderers row on the schedule against the top 5 pgs in the league at the time and every game i went into it thinking oh man the wolves are gonna get torched by their PG and every game rubio outplayed them and i believe we went 4-1 against them with the only loss rubio posting a triple double with like 5 steals and really just nobody else showed up that game. thats when i started to actually see how underrated he really was. rubio should have never left MN we needed a point guard who could create for the likes of wiggins and towns he didnt need to be a scorer for us anymore we had the talent. teague was a ball stopper and rubio was a better defender the move made 0 sense

Ty Lawson over Derozen? Lowe please stop it😂😂

I get that Demar choked in the playoffs repeatedly and hates shooting 3's, but he was still the primary scorer for a Raptors team that was top 3 in the East from 2016-2018. To not even be a top 6 pick is just shitting on him

@armin38822

4 жыл бұрын

They pretend like he did nothing for the Raptors. After Carter left they did nothing and even with him they didn't have that much succes. With DeRozan they were somebody in the east for a while. Some years they had injuries and some years then ren into lebron but yes DeRozan no matter how you slice it is a top 5-6 pick. And Lowe drafts as if he can change these guys,so considering how much offensive talent DeRozan has,why can't his culture change DeMar a little bit to ?

@joshido7352

4 жыл бұрын

This what happens when basketball nerds spend too much time together

@Kirbystare1992

4 жыл бұрын

armin38822 good argument, there’s a reason why Lowry got traded and not deMar cause you have to be good enough to get that talent. There is no championship without demar period. I don’t like the on off numbers these guys always use. If demar was benched they’re not getting number one seeds or making conference finals lol.

@chaslesabimana8444

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kirbystare1992?????

@juiceman503

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kirbystare1992 there's a very good reason Lowry wasn't traded instead of Derozan and it's really not that hard to understand. Derozan clearly had more trade value which is something to point out. Spurs felt they would be getting a 2 way wing they could make into the next Kawhi instead of an undersized gaurd. That said, Derozans value to the raptors, brought them a championship. Though it was in trade, he was still the key to them getting the roster that we saw win a ring last season.

Imagine picking Ricky Rubio and Ty Lawson over DeRozan lmao

Why not use the same logic for Rubio with Demar? Doesnt make sense to me

this and 03 were the two from the start I was most excited for. Wish this was put up on the ringer's channel with video

For those of you who want the visuals: ^SPOILERS^ 1- Curry 2- Harden 3- Griffin 4- Holiday 5- Derozan 6- Rubio 7- Matthews 8- Lawson 9- Gibson 10- Evans 11- Green 12- Teague 13- Ingles 14- Beverly

My man got 27 subscribers.

@livefromdagarage

4 жыл бұрын

Subscriber 28 here sir.

@davecartmill5086

4 жыл бұрын

It’s about to rise with everyone commenting on 2010 redraft

@maxrichard2244

4 жыл бұрын

@@davecartmill5086 that's what brought me here! 😄

@raypetree9372

4 жыл бұрын

Shit he's got 90 now

After listening to this I think Zach Lowe is just as good as Bill Simmons at hosting NBA podcasts. The real difference is that Bill records video as well. I really like the switch up to Zach hosting, I just need the video recording...

@armin38822

4 жыл бұрын

Zach got much much better. He wasn't this good like 2-3 years ago.

@clement121691

4 жыл бұрын

@@armin38822 Working with Bill Simmons is a great way to learn!

Bill can't help but take over any podcast he's on lmao great one tho I was wondering where the 2009 redraft was.

Feed me redraftables!!!

Two little Euro points: Llull is now 32, truning 33 in November. He was the best player outside of the NBA in 2017. MVP of the Euroleague and of the Spanish League. Check out any highlight reel from that year. He made Steph Curry range threes in transition, could still get to the rim almost at will, especially in the open court, and was CLUTCH AS FUCK. However, he was overutilized by his team (Real Madrid) and by the end of the season was running on fumes. They won the midseason King's Cup with him as the MVP on an egregious non-call of an over and back, but were thoroughly beaten in the Euroleague semis (one game) by eventual champion Fenerbahçe and then lost the Spanish League Finals (five game series, lost in four) to Valencia, a vastly inferior team in terms of budget (which is a huge factor in Europe). They just didn't have enough players who could step up because everything had been so focused on Llull and he was exhausted. Then that summer he blew out his knee. He came back and had some huge moments in the Euroleague and Spanish League wins by Real who had Luka Doncic as the everything MVP: he made amazing, momentum altering threes in the playoffs and all, but was not the same. Ever since he's had flashes but has never sustained the brilliance of that season. Still, top performer in the European system where rosters are much more balanced in terms of talent because you can just pay as much as you want if you can afford to: he's not called upon to excel on every game so when he does it's a great plus and he's always been a great defender. The other point: Beaubois has been pretty good in Europe, but is still someone I wouldn't trust in a playoff game and in fact as a fan of other teams I'm pretty comfortable in those types of games when he's on the court.

@TheRealUcanUwill

4 жыл бұрын

I always thought Llull was a bit overrated because he was tough shot specialist. He could make crazy shots from time to time, but that said, I never liked his game. Also he is not very good anymore after he blew his knee. Llull is classic combo guard player that Bill wouldnt like I bet. I think current Campazzo is much better than Llull ever was, that is a guy thats a crime he is not in the league right now.

Terrence Williams was tough as a rookie for the Nets

@emo_LeBron

4 жыл бұрын

bruh he was a gawd in 2k10

So my Bucks took Brandon Jennings at 10. He's OK. But I absolutely love the pick, because we traded him for KA$H MONEY MIDDLETON BAYBEEEE

love the whole 1999 time warp feel

“He runs like he’s towing a speedboat behind him”😭😂😭😂

D-Wade was amazing in 2011. I'm glad y'all showed him love.

Sitting here a couple hours after Jrue Holliday just played 3rd banana on a championship team. Great call Zach Lowe!

Even if the Knicks got Curry they probably would have traded him for Melo lol.

Made the first 100 subs

Yo Harden playing on the Grizzlies would’ve been fantastic. You got Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, and a great defense around him so he can focus on just going out and getting buckets. It would’ve been awesome to see that team competing in the playoffs with a scoring threat like that

Missed this one during the initial run and amazing how much DeRozan has now shifted in that conversation

@seanmarlow4365

2 жыл бұрын

Genuine argument for blake at 5 not even 2 years later

Who else just likes demar because he’s fun to watch?

Hindsight Zach is far too disrespectful of demar.

Wait did i miss something? No mention of darren collison?

They forget that the Kings mismanagement of Tyreke ruined his career. If they just let him be a point guard in a good organization he would have been an all-star

@synapse913

Жыл бұрын

Eh. He was a ball stopper who couldn’t shoot and didn’t make his teammates better. Absolutely replaceable.

Unacceptably disrespectful to Danny Green.

I like how they predicted jrue and giannas together now they champions

Zach is disrespectful af. Demar is nice. I’m sick of people discounting what he was able to do in Toronto. Everybody can’t win a championship. Also, the notion that everyone else could have a better career if given another opportunity *EXCEPT* for Demar is laughable af

Picking Holiday over DeRozan was just stupid. Can we get a retraction immediately?

@dylancooper8807

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously? Demar DeRozan doesnt help you win basketball games? Somebody needs to show this Zach Lowe basketball-reference.com Just because you don't watch the games doesn't mean they don't happen.

1:39 Thabeet was No.2 in the ESPN, Slam, Bleacher Report, DraftExpress, RealGM and NBADraftnet mock drafts. It was defensible back then. NCAA Thabeet highlights: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mWx9sLqRmNW1krA.html

Awsome

There is no case for Wes Matthew's over Danny Green. But I still love you guys...😊

@silewis9396

4 жыл бұрын

There is definitely a case for Matthews. He was the better player for years but not in a better situation on the fragile Blazers vs the near perfect Spurs

as a heat fan can I just say how glad i am that my franchise outside of a couple injury filled tank years and early start as a expansion team mind you has never been a joke really since i been alive...i am proud of them for playing real basketball and never being god awful or having bone head plays that cost us games outside of 2007-2008 where we were garbage

@twcgoat4761

4 жыл бұрын

magic fan from up the road, its been pretty tough for us since 2012....

@razkable

4 жыл бұрын

@@twcgoat4761 no its not even that i just would hate to be like the t wolves hornets kings teams with real long droughts and bad play for most of their history where you know its a joke...even if the heat win under 45 games its super rare for them to win under 36 and they always are entertaining and play hard and smart and don't have terrible plays or mistakes that cost them as much as say the pelicans do...you always feel like you can win a game or have fun...watching certain teams like the knicks must be a headache....just every night you feel like your going to lose for years

Bill says taj Gibson I immediately say to myself what team is he on again I’m a Knick fan which is what makes this sad

So they laugh at Kahn for picking two pgs but Lowe has Rubio and Lawson on Minnesota again.

@courthype

4 жыл бұрын

They aren't redrafting on the basis of team need at each pick

@jsobers

4 жыл бұрын

@@courthype but in past redrafts you hear them say things such as they really needed a point guard so im taking (insert player)"

@connorrussell2084

4 жыл бұрын

Well Bill atleast has the 5th pick and drafts them DeMar. But the issue is that the Wolves originally pick Rubio and Flynn while Curry is still on the board when he wouldnt be available in a redraft

Love your content, but that mild echo on your mic made listening to this with headphones almost unbearable at times.

Danny Green... 2019 finals MVP (destroying Klay's knee)

Y’all underrated demar

I’m still waiting for 2k to get the Sam Young pump fake

Funny Pistons conversation at the end. The downfall of the team began with Big Ben leaving to Cleveland. I could talk for days on the mismanaged Pistons after the “Going to Work” team started to get dissolved.

@synapse913

10 ай бұрын

I remember that. Dumars passed on Dwyane Wade in the 03 draft and eventually tried to rebuild around a poor man’s DWade, Rodney Stuckey, six years later. 😆

Interesting hearing how Harden was viewed before forcing his way out 3 teams

This disrespect for derozan is crazy said a dude that don’t who you win basketball games but he led the raptors to a conference finals and perennial playoff team meanwhile jrue as the second best player in New Orleans only won one playoff Series

I'm not a big fan of Demar DeRozan but you seem like you really really underestimate him. He's far better than Ty Lawson or Wes Matthews ever were or would have been. Seems like you guys were just mocking him to be edgy, that's not very nice and a bit disappointing of you Zach (we know your ex boss is an a hole as David Kahn put it).

Funny how Jrue plays with giannis now

why is zach's audio so bad here? theres like this echo effect on his voice.

25:40 Curry VS Harden is not a debate - until Harden learns to play with other elite players and win

@patricija4179

4 жыл бұрын

He played with CP3 and beats Curry Dray Klay KD if CP3 doesnt get hurt 👎 I would take Curry too but what has Curry proven? That he can beat LeBron whose best players were Mozgov and Delly? That he can beat LeBron with 3 other HOF and Iggy is also in the discussion

@rods7028

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say it's not a debate

@fufuman27

4 жыл бұрын

- 23 the Finals aren’t the hardest competition in curry’s playoff runs

@coldwinter5428

Жыл бұрын

@@patricija4179 this Curry take didn't age well.

@patricija4179

Жыл бұрын

@@coldwinter5428 hahaha, my comment was about the past and the present not the future, i always took Curry over KD even. I just bring context into it cause not every title is worth the same

Interesting that both Zach and bill worry about shots and team chemistry with porter, but always rip OKC. Do they think there was enough shots for Durant Westbrook and harden?????

My lunch break is 45min make with the picks....and if DeMar isn't a top 6 pick im writing letters

Is there anybody in Simmons's "if you play his career 20X..." where the version we got was the best that could have been?

@NickLandess

4 жыл бұрын

James Worthy

@75aces97

4 жыл бұрын

@@NickLandess Did Simmons say that? He'd be right if so. Funny thing with that draft. If the Lakers drafted Terry Cummings instead, he'd likely be in the HOF, and if the Clippers got Worthy, probably only a few of us would remember him as one of those really nice players of the 1980s who didn't win anything meaningful. Their legacies could be flipped completely. People underestimate how much luck factors into the trajectory of this league.

@NickLandess

4 жыл бұрын

@@75aces97 I think it's in the Worthy section of the basketball pyramid in his basketball book. He makes a point of acknowledging that he thinks Worthy was a great player, but that getting to play with Magic and Kareem was essentially the basketball equivalent of winning the lottery for him. I think that's a pretty good point about Terry Cummings, but I do think (and this is a major part of the points I have heard BS make) Worthy's skill set - particularly his ability to fill the wing and finish on a break - were *perfectly* suited to that situation.

OK, so I'm fully aware of me being provincial, but if we're taking 'best case scenario' type of careers let's talk Omri Casspi. The dude was elected to the Rising Stars and faced KD in that weird HORSE tournament they were holding that AS weekend. Him going to the cavs was a Mistake. Capital M. BUT he was a decent stretch four, and developed a great chemistry with Boogie during his second stint with the Kings, before injuries straight out butchered him. He had that crazy shooting match with Steph, and when he was already about to get to the playoffs - He was cut because Curry got injured, and the Warriors needed a PG (and since he stopped shooting 3s for some reason) So I don't think he's necessarily a top 14 pick, I might also pick Jennings over him. BUT - is his 75th percentile career scenario is higher than Taj or Danny Green? Hell yes.

Lowe needs to sort out his echo

Patrick beverley at #13 is laughable

Pat bev got done so dirty here brother

It’s crazy to think how good memphis would be if they drafted steph or harden instead of thabeet. Derozan is also a buffed up version of Rudy gay. Tyreke or Rubio might conflict with Conley but I think the fit is not crazy bad. literally anything but thabeet

Ty Lawson ahead of Demar Derozan, have you lost your mind

53:30 Seriously, even Darren Collison probably has a better carreer than Ty Lawson. Ty's last 4 years in the league was really bad. Collison can shoot the three, have almost 50 win shares and never averaged below 10 ppg during his 10-year career.

@razkable

4 жыл бұрын

i don't get jrue over derozan, plus gibson mathews or lawson over teague....

@tnikoli40

4 жыл бұрын

But lawsons top was miles ahead of collisons top

@Sharri2008

4 жыл бұрын

@@tnikoli40 Agreed...his pick was based on potential. Lawson had so much untapped potential.

@fufuman27

4 жыл бұрын

Asmosis Jones jrue can do more on the court

@damonkynaston1255

3 жыл бұрын

@@tnikoli40 pause

91st sub!

I guess Milos Teodosic should be drafted if you're an ok-team which can make him come from Russia

dayum no love for brandon jennings

Did bill call klay a possible hall of famer? Isnt he likely to be 100% first ballet?

"NUDGE!"

10:26 The 1960 NBA draft has 4 HOFers in the Top 8 picks: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens and Tom Sanders. The other HOF player in this class is Al Attles at the 39th pick.

@razkable

4 жыл бұрын

not top 7

bibby made a couple shots that season for the heat but in the finals he became trash for some reason after game 1 just a total non factor...and he played ok the next year...he just was trash in the final

How much Haterade do you have to drink to pick Ty Lawson before DeMar?

When will they do 2011 ?

@e.e.erecords4li3e

7 ай бұрын

Idk

Holiday over DeRozan?

imagine if James Harden was drafted by Memphis. I always believed that Memphis was only missing one scorer to be a champion.

The Reke slander is criminal 😤

KAHHHHNNNNNN!!!!!

The issue with demar is he cannot be the best player on a championship team and honestly he was almost always the best player on his team. Its kind of easy to target/prepare for his playstyle in the playoffs which is why in hindsight he looks bad and not a winner. It wouldve helped if he was a number 2 or a co number-1 and he wouldve honestly atleast had a better chance to go to the finals. The thing we forget is those years when demar was really good, it was impossible to go the finals as lebron was there and honestly even if demar had better teammates, i doubt he would've gone to the finals. Even if he does, beating the spurs or the warriors teams those years seems very doubtful. (this is all assuming he had better teammates on the raptors) Jrue on the other hand was always a number-2 or number-3 all those years because of which he was always high value depending on the team he was on.

I think Curry's one of those guys that kind of got lucky with his career. You know his ankles would have exploded and he would have been out of the league in 5 years if he went to the Knicks (partially because of the Knicks bad luck). Remember Curry was on such a team friendly deal for so long because he had ankle trouble for the first bit of his career.

Bill might have been joking about getting Spanish national team in one NBA team, but trust me that team is winning at least one ring

@shorewall

Жыл бұрын

The Gasol Brothers alone is amazing. Add in Jose Calderon, Ricky Rubio, and Rudy Fernandez, of the players that I know, and that is a unit. Especially at that time when you needed a good big, and really more than one, in order to win. Lakers won two chips based off of a Pau, Bynum, and Odom rotation, along with Kobe. Grit and Grind Grizzlies upset the Spurs in 2011. Both of those teams had Gasols. I love those guys. :D

The James Harden take has aged like hot garbage.

lowe needs a video editor

wade and kobe were right there with lebron in 2008-2009 as the best players on earth and 2010 probably a hair below him just overall and in 2011 i would say bron was better than kobe but not wade...wade in the 2011 finals was a monster...he hurt his knee in game 4 lebron did not show up barea stepped up terry killed them kidd made some shots stevenson showed up brewer cardinal and mahinmi all had a moment in the series out of nowhere and miami got nothing from bibby juwan or joel and they lost cause they did not play james jones and both haslem and chalmers should of played more

@tnikoli40

4 жыл бұрын

Wade was better than lebron in 2011 in 5 out of 100 games...

@fufuman27

4 жыл бұрын

Tomislav Nikolić and happened to be the most important games

@insomatic420

4 жыл бұрын

@@tnikoli40 were 4 of those 5 games in the finals cause Wade definitely outplayed LeBron in that series and would have won finals mvp so........

@tnikoli40

4 жыл бұрын

@@insomatic420 his point was that in 2011 wade was better than lebron basing that statement on wade being better for 5% of the season.

I feel like Simmons low key hating on Bron

I like the Ty Lawson pick. I totally disagree with Bull Summons, I think his career 20x this was the worst version by far

Why can't Jefferson and Love play together? They compliment each other offensivly

Ty Lawson over Patty Mills wtf

Guys, stop with the "best version of his career". Your pick has the "best version" but the guys you pass you apparently doesn't? E.g. The best version of Ty Lawson is better than the best version of Tyreke Evans? Lowe, use your culture to fix Evans! This whole "best version" is just a cop out. The reason you are doing a re-draftable is that you now know how the gd career went. Use that!!!

@fufuman27

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the best version of Lawson is def better.

@punchsmack

4 жыл бұрын

Relax, it's not a real draft.

@davidng8870

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe not having confidence to shoot is more fixable than whatever issues Evans had

jodie meeks lasted a decade and won the title with the raptors...hes done though..he was washed

Listening to Lowe hating on DeRozan while he's averaging 27 a game at the all star break is kinda hilarious but I get it for the time. Just a couple years later it looks like a real bad take.

@Jake-jo4fw

2 жыл бұрын

It was a bad take then too. Derozen was the best player on a consistent conference finalist. That may not be much but it's a greater impact than holiday. Not to mention how dismissive he is about DeMar ever after taking jrue. It's ridiculous. Those raptor teams were really good

@julianbell9161

Жыл бұрын

It’s looking more accurate now

@julianbell9161

Жыл бұрын

It’s looking more accurate now

@vitocarlucci111

Жыл бұрын

@@julianbell9161 What do mean? He's averaging 25 5 5 on 51% shooting and is an all star at 33 years old.

@jordanr9

Жыл бұрын

It’s not that bad of a take. The bulls were WAAAAAAAAY overrated last year and they suck this year. The spurs weren’t good when they had him and the raptors were stuck in purgatory when they had him. Their point is he gets numbers and it doesn’t seem to make his team win basketball games.

Didn’t know demar stans existed but they’re here in these comments

The 2010 Cavs are better than the 2010 Celtics that's ridiculous

These are great but Rubio's definitely getting overrated here. Albeit they both admitted they're fanboys, but his inability to be even a semi-dependable scoring threat becomes pronounced in meaningful games.

@casualfandestroyer2503

4 жыл бұрын

I think he’s improved his scoring a lot throughout his career and is a great defender he was a big part of the upset against OKC when Rubio was in Utah

The disrespect to Teague lol. Could've went as high as 6

Bill Simmons thinks he is so damn smart and knows everything. If you go back to the NBA draft lottery show of 2009 Jay Bilas has Hasheem Thabeet as the second best available talent on his list. I think he had James Harden at 5 or 6 and Step Curry was like 9. NOONE knew that Harden and Curry were going to be the players they ended up being. Also the the Grizzlies had Mike Conley AND Kyle Lowry on their roster so there is no way in hell they were going to draft Step Curry who most "experts" at the time thought was a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body. Also they had just drafted O.J. Mayo who had just led ALL rookies in scoring and was runner up ROY behind Derrick Rose..Kevin Love was not runner up to Derrick Rose like this idiot would have you believe. Back in the summer of 2009 if you had asked ANY GM who was the better prospect at that time O.J. Mayo or James Harden and ALL of them would have said Mayo...everyone of them. The Grizzlies also had a young Rudy Gay on the wing who needed touches. Yes, Marc Gasol had just finished his rookie season in the summer of 2009 and while he posted decent numbers his defense was absolutely HORRIBLE. He offered no rim protection AT ALL(that season the Grizzlies ranked dead last in points allowed in the paint) and this was an era in the NBA when big men still were king. His senior season at UConn Thabeet was an excellent shot blocker and rebounder...exactly what the young Grizzles needed at that time. Those are the reasons why in the summer of 2009 the Memphis Grizzles selected Hasheem Thabeet with the second overall pick and at the time why most didn't have a problem with it AT ALL.

DeRozen ... a shooting guard that doesn't shoot 3's or get steals.

@ztlabraptor211

4 жыл бұрын

An efficient 22/6/6 guy is fine