Your channel is a jewel. As a striker based martial artist everytime I see you covering old techniques is so easy to understand ways to incorporate those techniques and learn about the value of shadow wrestling like taiji.

Learned Hakko-Ryu along side Karate. It wasn’t competitive either. After I switched to Judo and BJJ I started trying out the stuff I learned in Randori, I was surprised that it’s works pretty well with some minor modifications.

@guillermozepeda9967

2 жыл бұрын

I did Hakko Ryu for a while, and my main training partner was easily twice my size. That's how I know it works, when a little guy like me can "man handle" a 6'2", 190#; well, it's satisfying.

@UncleAntiClaws

2 жыл бұрын

Randori isn't learning, it is application. You learn techniques form to teach the body, you practice so the body can teach the mind useful tactic, you apply to sparring or kumite so the mental tactic can test reality to prep the heart. The heart must be steeled to trust the tactics to fit the reality of combat, the tactics must be focused and precise in the mindset in order for the mindset to initiate the movement in of the body in a natural way in order for you to keep your balance and position and timing to put off the enemies balance and steal his position before he has to realized what is happening. Time is too often a distraction rather than a feeling. "The strongest tiger has the greatest love for the smallest weakling cub and fears most it's frailty in a cruel world. When you understand this you will unmask the truth of Shinobido." Iemoto Makurimaru Sasaki and Rokkaku Shinobi clan head.

@danielforrest3871

2 жыл бұрын

As a relative novice to Hakko Ryu (1 year of training at 6'4" and 245 I bs,athletic build), My instuctor, who was well regarded, could only marginally take me and that was only if I were apply offensive techniques. Were I to apply boxing techniques,4 he would not have survived more than 1 min. I respect it has an art form, but in the real world, I found it lacking. BJJ and solid striking seemed to me to yield more return on training investment.

@deansander441

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielforrest3871 meh if your coach is a smaller older guy thats not unusual. My Judo and BJJ coaches are both small guys about 5’4” 140lbs, BJJ coach is an ex pro fighter, judo coach is a world champ in 3 different grappling styles, the guys your size still give them a hard time. That being said, I mostly agree. With how Hakko Ryu is thought, It took some experimenting and changes to get it to work.

@danielforrest3871

2 жыл бұрын

@@deansander441 He wasn't tiny about 5'10. We sparred a lot. I found myself holding back. However in BJJ I found myself struggling against people who were much smaller than me. Just my experience.

I was lucky enough to be Kondo sensei's uke on a couple of occasions, wonderful teacher with wonderful technique. The difference in style between the differing Daito Ryu schools is vast. If you ever choose to train Daito Ryu do your research and choose your school carefully. There are some very dubious schools out there.

@Mugairyuiai

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaitoryuBlog That would have been in the Netherlands, unfortunately I can't remember the dates off hand. I can dig if you really want.

@Mugairyuiai

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaitoryuBlog That sounds about right 👍 I have a couple of photos somewhere, not many, if I remember correctly, Kondo sensei was not very open to photo taking. We still managed to get a couple. How is his health these days do you know?

@dojocho1894

2 жыл бұрын

Any school with linage to Kodo horikawa is phenomenal

@jakenfambrittain1055

24 күн бұрын

@@dojocho1894yes, I’ve studied Daito Ryu Aiki ju jutsu Roppokai under Seigo Okamoto sensei who was a top student of Kodo Sensei.. such beautiful arts!

Great point. People are quick to say styles "don't work", but usually it comes down to the environment. Even aikido had sparring back in the day. Sure Ueshiba might have gotten mad about it but not only were his early students skilled martial artists in their own right, sparred in the dojo roughly and called his dojo the "hell dojo", but were outright street brawlers always looking to "test" their skills. Reading about those times it's night and day compared to a typical modern day aikido dojo and I could full well believe dojos back then churned out people who were tough as nuts. If you look at aikido teachers today they're all fat, but look at the photos of the students and teachers back then. OSensei was ripped and strong as an ox. Times have changed hugely, and along with it training methodologies. You can't run a hell dojo now and expect people to show up. It's a different era.

As an aikidoka i think it's time to bring it back for Daito ryu Aikijutsu and even Aikido

@hapkido2027

2 жыл бұрын

Tomiki Aikido has types of sparring.

@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454

2 жыл бұрын

When two trained martial artists who know how to deliver atemi and maybe have comprehended kuzushi spar in aikido there is usually an agreement to NOT make it easy for Nage. Pressure testing without lots of injuries, just testing to see if the technique works without Uke complying

@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle

2 жыл бұрын

I studied Aikido wrist locks and balance principles as part of the curriculum in Cuong Ngo. This was years ago before Gracie’s success blew up BJJ, but we used it in grappling and ground fighting practice and worked out for me as a young man in real world self defense scenarios. Particularly when what you’re defending against is a drunk acquaintance you don’t want to hurt, using pain as a means of controlling balance is a good toolkit. Aikido abstracted that from aikijujutsu for philosophical reasons. but the abstraction if you treat it like an abstract model, can also teach you the kinesthetics of joint manipulation and control in a way that is particularly sensitive to the physics of an out of control opponent. the same thing is true of chinese yin styles like bagua and tai chi. that’s why i always have to roll my eyes at people who dismiss the value of those arts in “the real world.” In the real world, you aren’t patrick swayze in road house fighting bunch of professional criminal thugs in a bar. You’re dealing with people you should have care and concern for who may be having the worst day of their lives and you need to protect yourself in a way that is proportionate to the threat. that’s where some of the esoteric principles of aikido/bagua/tai chi/ are very interesting in their real world application in combination with less abstract approaches.

@ronin2167

2 жыл бұрын

Toshu randori.

@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronin2167 not familiar with word Toshu

Thanks for this video Chadi.

I have been following this channel and it is very good to see how it has been deciphered that BJJ is a subset of mainly Judo techniques, nothing new under the sun. In addition, many judo masters from very ancient times demonstrated the superiority of JuJutsu and later judo over other martial arts in real combat. again nothing new under the sun. I have also seen how in several videos it is mentioned that some techniques such as kata guruma come from European wrestling, which is not true, it is just ignorance of true and very old traditional jujutsu schools in Japan and their scrolls. Kata Guruma comes from Taki otoshi, which is to lift an opponent over our shoulders and let him fall in free fall, releasing him and withdrawing from below him so that he falls into the void. In this video you can see the Japanese teacher who jumps in the air and puts his opponent in his guard, makes him fall on his back and later mounts him. this is typical of another very old JuJutsu technique that is in the scrolls and is called Fubi. from where in addition you could also heel lock the opponent as a variant or henka of the technique. Our school is recording a hundred traditional self-defense techniques from the true scrolls that will show how many of the techniques used by the different Martial Arts are taken from techniques in the scrolls of traditional Japanese schools. In addition, many schools are teaching self-defense with fundamental errors and in a very basic way, which in a real case would not work on the street or at least that same technique would put the executor at risk against the opponent. They seem excellent when you see them, but with few technical foundations, which surprise an initiate but make it clear to an expert that they are poorly made. Let's remember that the techniques were developed for battlefields where the terrain conditions and number of people fighting were very adverse for a poorly executed technique without considering many aspects external to the technique itself. Today teachers are also praised who supposedly have revolutionized JiuJitsu or No Gi with leg locks, again on my channel I have uploaded as in 2003 to 2005 already in our schools we taught leg lock techniques that are typical of the traditional schools of jujutsu, and my Master always told us, when an opponent is strong standup , attack his legs and finish him off. On the other hand, I want to mention that JiuJitsu or JuJutsu is Japanese, not American, Indian, Brazilian, etc. Organizations are from different countries, but I haven't seen so far any techniques that have been invented outside of Japanese scrolls. It is true that the original JuJutsu has been influenced by other nations, but as we know it today and how it was developed, structured and passed through generations in Japan, it is a unique system typical of Japan. Mr. Chadi, I congratulate you for your excellent work and I hope you continue on this path of clarifying the true history of JuJutsu and Judo and other modern variants that have not invented anything and that take advantage of some baseless stories. Excuse my English, because I speak Spanish. Best regards... Máximo Arias 5°Dan JiuJitsu .

Dude, ur channel is a treasure, thx for vids!

I remember watching a Daito Ryu footage and the master demonstrated an armbar technique, the kind that you see in Judo and BJJ. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

🙇🏻‍♂️

@MiniatureMasterClass

2 жыл бұрын

Where do you think BJJ got it from? Gracies didn't invent shit.

@marcelodiaz5006

Жыл бұрын

@@MiniatureMasterClass using your logic, kano Either. Other gracias delevopment syndrome, very annoying to see in chadi videos

very helpful discussion of throws Chadi. thanks

Excellent Video Chadi!

Another great video from Chadi !

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

🙇🏻‍♂️

Another excellent video keep up the good work

Very good points. Thank you.

I practice daito ryu and this video is actually really cool. Daito Ryu is hands down a very complex style. It bases all of these principles on Kuzushi (off balancing your opponent) with fluid movements. Manipulating his on coming energy. I'm still struggling with that part lol

@Jiyukan

2 жыл бұрын

It is the other way around. Judo contains throws from Daito Ryu :P

@leafsky4331

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jiyukan yea that

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jiyukan Not quite that either. Judo throws originate from Tenjin Shin'yo-ryu and Kito-ryu. Daito-ryu techniques can number close to 1000 in some branches, but they are all mostly based on about 30 basic waza. Many of them are already found in other Jujutsu ryuha and Sumo.

@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454

2 жыл бұрын

One way to begin experiencing that manipulation of energy against an oncoming opponent is to have Uke (wrote Nage by mistake earlier here) attack with a strong tsuki to your stomach. As he approaches work on raising your open hand at the latest moment that still leavesUke time to try to avoid your open hand in his face.Uke will instinctively try to slow down to avoid a face smash. Instant kuzushi without even touching Uke. Then you realize that kuzushi doesn’t require force it requires convincing Uke that they can be manipulated into falling even if there is no contact or voluntary movement by Uke. NB however that this depends on proximity and cannot be used successfully against an Uke that is ten or twenty yards away. Uke must be in true belief that they bail instinctively to avoid a smashed face. At 20 yards such a throw requires a compliant Uke and is prima fácil evidence of fake arts. Sorry for a couple of times I initially said Nage when I meant Uke.

@TheGodSchema

2 жыл бұрын

I thought Judo was born from Daito Ryu

Nice. Thank you. With the firemans throw like that, in that era long swords were still carried. That version appears it'd still allow throwing with a long blade vs the newer sport version.

Good video as always

Great content!!! Thnx!

One of the best videos

This is one of the reasons I like older books in terms of showing older versions of techniques. These throws aren't lost as much as we've altered how we throw people so as to reduce their injuries. I remember practicing with a Tai Chi Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu gentleman and he showed me the first throw with the locked arms; this was supposed to act as a way to "Safely" disable the attacker and break their face on the pavement. This type of Kung Fu relies a lot on breaking body structure and balance, which may not be direct Kuzushi, but shares a lot of the spirit.

A big difference between a Koryu and Gendai sport technique, Kata Garuma for example, you will notice that in Jujutsu / Aikijutsu, the wrist and or elbow will be rotated and locked when thrown for real. Same with Ippon seionage. The textbook throw and applications, are fast and effective, but if you can rotate and lock the wrist or elbow ( 2 arms in this video) in the process, severe injury will result. These combat applications are still VERY needed in todays world , especially for military. CQB is no joke. Great Video! Train hard and be safe 👍💮

@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454

2 жыл бұрын

Often needed on the street depending on your personality and where you have lived. A true martial artist should be ready for war at a moment’s notice, as well as just training a lot.

@stevepanda1716

2 жыл бұрын

If Judo is Gendai, then Takeda's Daito-ryu must be Gendai, too, since it was formed after Judo was formed. Calling Judo "Gendai" and arts like Daito-ryu "Koryu" is very misleading. We hear the same thing when people say "Karate is an ancient martial art going back to China, while Judo is a modern art." Huh? Modern karate came in the 20th Century. Judo is actually older than Shotokan karate. And both derived from ancient arts. These are stories that non-Judo people tell to try to diminish Judo and raise the prestige of non-Judo arts. It just doesn't play with the facts.

@dianecenteno5275

2 жыл бұрын

@Steve Panda Takeda's Jujutsu may possibly be considered Gendai. However, many of the techniques were around before Takeda as they are found in other Koryu lineage. Takenouchi. Ryu, Yoshin Ryu etc.

@stevepanda1716

2 жыл бұрын

@@dianecenteno5275 First, "gendai" is not equal to "sport". Second, most of the techniques that were taught in arts like Kodokan Judo in Kano's time also existed in koryu; that's where they came from. So having techniques that originated in koryu does not make your art koryu, or anything else in particular. Finally, I first learned versions of Kata Guruma from various locks as a student of classical Judo. Sadly, many people point to modern sport versions of techniques and call them "textbook", but really they are sport applications of core training techniques modified to teach principles, allow safe training at full speed, and make it possible to perform high reps to concentrate training. It was never supposed to end there. I fear that we've lost a lot of the depth in many of these arts in the pursuit of contest wins by competitors in their youth. It's fun. I was 20 once, too. But we shouldn't limit our arts to recycling the same competitive sport techniques taught early in competitive careers.

I recently saw a Tang Soo Do self-defense (VHS) video that came out back in the 1980s and one of the techniques was a defense against a rear two handed choke where the defender performs this throw 1:10. Caught me by surprise since in Tang Soo Do, we're not really known for our throws.

@RonioFOX

7 ай бұрын

Tang soo do and taekwondo get these self defense style lineage through karate

@chadi thanks for this. I’ve enjoyed your various videos you have produced. As a teacher and practitioner of a lineage of Daito Ryu Aikibudo which still teaches, tests and ranks according to the throws you showed and others, I have two simple question for you is this: have you come across the “rule set” used by the different schools when they sparred and pressure tested their kata? Second, why do you consider these throws lost?

One of the most important video for me.

Most jujitsu schools did far more than just wrist locks. And most people don’t realize that jujitsu schools in the past did spar. But sparing the way they did would be unacceptable today. Severe injuries and deaths were allowed and happened. Thank

@Gauntlets

2 жыл бұрын

Reason y technology like "Sword Art Online" needs 2 exist! If we could practice certain techniques in an environment where we won't get injured, then certain methods of sparring wouldn't b so taboo, first off! And second off, our techs could b available when we actually need them; b it in competition or in a skirmish! Stupid comment, but one should c my point!

@jjs3890

Жыл бұрын

@@Gauntlets did you see the video or read my comment? I was referring to sparing in jujitsu not swordsmanship. The samurai also spared in sword fighting (Gekkiken) but that’s different and not at all related to my comment.

@Gauntlets

Жыл бұрын

@@jjs3890 I did! I was referencing da VR tech in dat series; not weaponry. I probably shoulda said “Star Trek holodecks/holosuites!” Either way, since one would b practicing these techniques in either a virtual environment or against holographic training partners and at full force, no life and/or limb would b lost!

@ne7611

Жыл бұрын

@@Gauntlets yea we can replicate lost arts and better training using 5hus

Daito ryu for life!

More of this please, back before 1880. Thank you.

I like how they play sneaky samurai. 'This is the wild samurai in its natural habitat.'

I’d be really interested to see you do a video where you compare judo to the Muay Thai clinch. I know Muay Thai rules won’t let you do hip tosses or throws using the back of your leg, but I think they have some similar techniques. I always said that the clinch is the only thing that makes Muay Thai truly unique.

@Spiritof_76

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not the only thing. Emphasis on leg kicks, using the shin, and elbow strikes way more than other martial arts. Plus devastating knee strikes.

Don't remember any Japanese, but know lots of that. 😂 great video's. Thanks. For your work.

Nice video, Chadi. It looked a lot more like a Hikkomigaeshi than a Tomoenage at 1:57. Albert Church had studied Hakko-Ryu and Motobu Ha Shito Ryu (among other things), and is part of our lineage. It's taught so differently from different sources/instructors.

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this

Yes great book.... the farther of hapkido...

You guys should research Russian branch of Daito-Ryu, Kopin sensei(5th dan in daito and aikido both) of Agatsukan Dojo in Moscow region throws great seminars with boxers, karatekas and thai boxers to exchange technickes and implement each other techniques in randori way (because as it was stated before in video and comments - real sparing here will be traumatizing each time) . Waza is strong there, and the guy is direct student of Kondo Masayuki! Thank you for awesome content, CHADi!

@TranquilOG369

Ай бұрын

They have their channel here in KZread as well, maybe you will make a video together sometime

A very interesting video. I think that todays Aikido could benefit immensely by incorporating some of these Daito Ryu techniques into the standard curriculum. Love the content of your channel.

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

Aikido is basically only techniques from the first transmission scroll (Hiden Mokuroku) of Daito-ryu. There are actually a few more to that, but the techniques Ueshiba taught are pretty much just that.

@DrMathOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@Veepee92 And how do you know this?

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrMathOfficial Because there are people who have read the Daito-ryu scrolls and compared them to the technical curriculum of Aikido.

@DrMathOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@Veepee92 Have you read them? And is there some place that I can also read them?

This is awesome! Despite them not having sparring anymore, is it still possible to still learn the full range of moves? Hopefully, something so rich hasn't been watered down. I'd truly love to train in it.

All martial arts relected and grew out of their time and place in history, culture, politics, decorum, and geography and changed with advances in weaponry. Now they are mostly preserved as historical artifacts. Going to the ground in guard works on a mat in one on one sport situations but not so well on concrete especially if it's one against a few. Like wrestling- penetrating for a double leg works well on a mat but banging ones knee on concrete? Not so much. That's why the standing throws of judo are so effective. No need to go to the ground. Make the bad guy go to ground hopefully in great pain and unable to continue. Use the throws that cause their legs and ankles to collide with the hard floor so they can't walk to continue the aggression. As Tim Larkin and Marc MacYoung preach - if we severely injure or kill someone in a fight we could have avoided, we will end up on the wrong side of the bars and sued on top of that.

I think the American occupation of Japan after WWII severely damaged Japanese martial arts. Martial training was outlawed by the occupying army and so either the martial art practice was lost or converted to a cultural and spiritual practice without any combat. Today though, anyone learning the techniques can train them however they want. Any practitioner who wants to use martial arts techniques in a self defense situation should train the techniques against a resisting opponent after mastering them on a passive Uke.

@SoldierAndrew

11 ай бұрын

To be fair, the Imperial Japanese had become a nation steeped in racial supremacy leading them to savage their way across half the globe, mass raping, cutting babies from wombs to toss them in the air and impale upon bayonets, engaging in cannibalism, ethnic cleansing , genocide, slavery, child rape slaves held captive in latrines and called Spirit Girls to be gang raped by Imperial Japanese Soldiers. . .they were more perverse and sadistic than the demonic Nazi Germans . They believed their Imperor was a living god and they were literally children of the sun god. Indoctrinated from birth into a revived samurai code of Bushido demanding altruistic sacrifice & servitude to their War Lord (the emporer during WW2) and like Muslim Jihadi they were deceived into believing murdering & dying for their god (their emporer) was ticket to heaven. So it was necessary to demilitarize, deprogram, Japan and expose the emporer as human and not as a god. Thus most martial (military) arts were suspended from public practice. . . but sport versions were allowed to continue and most teachers kept teaching privately behind closed doors. The oldest female 10th dan judoka stated in her documentary she & others kept practicing during the post war occupation of Japan. So the Japanese combat arts weren't lost during post WW2 occupation, since they just practiced privately but no longer publically. I'm a 41 yrs practitioner & teacher of Japanese bujutsu but I'll admit , we rightfully still despise the German Nazi but make innocent victims of their sadistic, bigoted, Asian counterpart: the Imperial Niponese.

Wow you guys understand traditional japanese martial arts.. even better than the Japanese Olympic judo team. Wow. If I didn't know better I would think it was an aikido fantasy.

God bless you always, this is big 👀👀👀🌟🌟

@mannyyhormiga3386

Жыл бұрын

I am going to to try it in jujitsu training tomorrow, let you know how many times it works 👍

ooh this seems interesting

Tomiki aikido / goshin jujitsu it's a beautiful blend.

柔道がJudoになって格闘技に成ってしまいました。

The daito ryu "yama arashi" reminds me of the korean double lapel grip that they use to throw with big hip techniques

The Sankyo at 2:10 - 2:40 is awfully wrong, lol. The elbow has to point forward from the point of view of the Tori, not backward. It is super easy to either smile and keep standing or do a counter if the elbow points backward. Nearly a Sankyo as bad as the Rokkas youtuber's.

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

It is Expertvillage martial arts, after all.

Hace you seen that judo prefers an omote approach to the centre of the body meanwhile daito/aikido goes for the ura side?(i suppose It is focused on armed arm)

Some are definitely nice. And effective. But a few i can tell you right now in competition full speed with resistance ain’t going to cut it.

Umm. I can see this is interesting for a judoka. But in JJIf (jujitsu fighting system) we see most of these techniques. If not then I’ve seen them used in our self defence pensum. The techniques were never forgotten. Maybe evolved a bit and used in other context, but the basic principles remain the same. I especially like the first throw with both arms locked. And the outside entrance to a drop seoinage variant. I use them where I can 😅

It's not lost, found it on YT. Joking aside beautyfull art!

I practice both hapkido and judo 🥋

@jestfullgremblim8002

7 ай бұрын

Awesome, go ahead!

I'm an Aikidoka and we need kuzushi

@johnhills3085

2 жыл бұрын

Top video

@QuantumMechanic_88

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome .

@Diego-hm1wd

2 жыл бұрын

There is kuzushi in aikido, the two most used ways to unbalance the opponent are using his own momentum against him (aiki principle) but only works with very commited attacks and very good timing (so it is hard to master and use in sparring), and the other way of unbalancing the opponent is entering forward (irimi) often with an atemi

@johnhills3085

2 жыл бұрын

@@Diego-hm1wd kzread.info/dash/bejne/fHl-mddsoKnXgag.html

@johnhills3085

2 жыл бұрын

@@Diego-hm1wd I get what you are saying check out the video.

Another great video. And yes, they DID have some ground grappling techniques, as well as striking.

I was practicing all those techniques in my Aikido class 30 years ago. Being an Uke for lots of demonstrations I got my ass kicked badly in some of them, especially the kata guruma side throw. That really hurts if you dont know what you are doing.

These throws are all preserved in hapkido.

@ironmikehallowween

2 жыл бұрын

True

@hapkido2027

2 жыл бұрын

Very true.

What do u mean Russian arms or Georgian arms ?

Which probably gives reason to why Tomiki Kenji, Judoka & Aikidoka master, who was also taught these Daito Ryu Techniques, and brought into existence his need to change aikido into something more effective by his randori shiai and kata embu competitions, to show how effective aikijujutsu techniques really are!! Getting uke up onto his toes was an essential part of kuzushi if you wanted to be able to throw your opponent for real!! ... Something you don't see much in todays "aikido" and which I think is missing!!

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

Picking the uke up is called aiki age and it doesnt always look like that. Going on your toes is possible but not necessary at all (its demonstrative. You dont always get that effect in live sparring, but you do it anyway because it breaks balance. Big heavy guys usually wont go up, but the internal effect is there, it has to be because the throws dont work unless you break balance afterall. This is what makes dr aikijj dif from aikido or judo)

@towag

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveshif2514 Yes I'm aware of that having done a hell of lot of competition shiai and kata embu, Tomiki style aikido for the best part of 33 years, plus other martial arts and western boxing... all together for 40 years... Sensei dave shif? ...

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

@@towag so what you’re saying is that in 40 years ( doubtful) you never learned to be polite or humble because another martial artist dare to speak? Thats pretty sad for you, very shameful

@towag

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveshif2514 Yep ! And its 40 years... because I sense you're a bullshitter "sensei"...

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

@@towag youre a clown man. I tried to be a part of something wonderful and you ruin it with your toxicity. No one needs someone like you around. Have a good sad life

The B's comes from those that learned to go through the motions but never having learned concepts, so they teach and promote others that become legitimate black belts but not really. The Gracie's have proved this time and again.

Reminds me a little if shorinji kempo

If someone collars me from behind, ponytail wristlock to tomoenage - got it.

Dear Authors, in my opinion, there is no use of talking about styles in terms of stating the best of them. Instead, defining and cultivating of traditional techniques and threby preserving them for the generations to come. To put it right from other point of view, even in the age of supersocnic aircraft, there is still l a logic to show and teach pilots llying without engines, so that can seea how real aerodynamics works. Best regards and good healthh. Paul, 66, retired instructor of Goju ryu Karate.

Steven Seagal's branch of Aiki Budo (Tenshin Aikido) has a lot of the Aikijujutsu framework and mindset. Would be very insightful if you collaborated/exchanged knowledge with a legit Tenshin Aikido practitioner (some notable Seagal lineage teachers include Haruo Matsuoka, Craig Dunn, Larry Reynosa, Ralph Angulo, Lenny Sly, Jaime Calderon, etc).

@AztecUnshaven

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaitoryuBlog Seagal's Budo is strongly based on the sword principles, as he trained Kenjutsu intensely as well. His longtime teacher and mentor was Hiroshi Isoyama; he also studied under Abbe Sensei as well. Seagal's Aikido is known to be much more "hard" and "direct" compared to most Aikido styles.

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

There is no record of segal studying with any dr teacher

@AztecUnshaven

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveshif2514 Seagal's methods are very much Pre war Aikido, which is very connected to Daito Ryu.

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

@@AztecUnshaven that may be true but i wanted to clarify that segal neither claims to have trained in, nor is there a record of him ever learning any dr whatsoever. Similarities between styles often blend together, but only segal would really know. My personal anecdote on that is that everyone i train dr with agrees that his ma looks nothing like dr in any way

There never were DTRAJJ schools that sparred. You are completely wrong.

Does anyone know the name of the throw at 4:58? Thanks.

@damianzieba5133

28 күн бұрын

Reverse kata guruma I guess

yea good luck to get in in the roll tho

Have you ever practiced Daito-ryu?

Has anyone used an overhook to lock the elbow when they grab your body and with the opposite hand put against their jaw pushing it against the overhook then stomp down behind the leg they put weight on? Must be careful they land on their head and can get hurt. If it's a survival situation or streetfight. would not reccomend trying this if you are not experienced and the person you practice with is experienced as well.

Ok so who lost the throws?! Your showing them to us rightnow, right? I studied kuk sool for over twenty years and all these techniques are studied. I've seen a fair bunch of this in hapkido practice too.

@TiagoBarufi

2 жыл бұрын

The throws aren't lost or forgotten, they just aren't used anymore in the military training. So they aren't being taught or practiced with real combat as a goal, despite the fact that was the purpose of their very development.

Do you thank that kashiwazaki is the best japanese ne waza master?

I go to Joe Rogan’s podcast for the guests, not for his deep insights into reality or martial arts history. The man literally said that, until the age of 40, he did not know a chicken egg needed to be fertilized to produce a baby chick. My point- if he didn’t know that, what ELSE does he not know? Kudos to him for openly admitting that on his , however.

@jjs3890

2 жыл бұрын

Joe Rogan also never realized that jujitsu was a mix of older arts such as yawara, kumiuchi, tai-jutsu, koppo jutsu, wajutsu and others. He also did not realize that BJJ comes from judo which comes from Jujitsu…which he has spent a lot of time badmouthing. There is a lot that he does not know but speaks about often with thousands being misinformed.

@hairyelder5019

2 жыл бұрын

Who watches Rogan for what HE knows?? If I want to improve my stand up comedy or my MMA broadcasting abilities I’d be interested in HIS knowledge. His guests and their knowledge / experiences in their respective fields is what people are listening for

This last throw you're referencing as a Judo like throw, is a judo throw. It's an attack, not a Daito-ryu technique.

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I have time in all the branches of Shinobido including historical Iga school and scroll and koga scroll and iwata family lineage(fujita Seiko), Bujinkan and Sasaki-rokkaku Shinobido. In fact I have practice of 30 years in combat budo including all takamatsu-den. These throws are nothing new to 600 plus arts. Even kalari and euro wrestling have doctrine variation. I've seen late midieval manuscripts using a helmet to lock a hand in the back of the head and backward moving to unbalance an opponent so this is not ingenious or Japanese. Ming armor inspired samurai armor but this head collar hand lock is most likely from Chinese armored techniques. Sasaki have many like these as the techniques come from Baekji Korean armored war techniques. To his is the source of many oversized Nodachi sword techniques too.

Martial art treasures are being thrown away & watered down , denying us practicers the Truth

Take a look at this video of the technical proximity between Daito Ryu and Sumo: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4Vou7mwpdPdmaQ.html

pity that Ueshiba destroyed it

I trained in Icho Yama Ryu Aikijujustu for many years, and many of our sensei trained in Daito Ryu, which I believed had a great influence. Would be great to get your thoughts on Icho Yama Ryu. Thanks!

The third one as demonstrated is not practical. You aren't going to control someone of even near same size two arms with one hand on both wrists. Kind of wild to present that as a valid throw.

If the martial arts would’ve continued to only hard spar, or basically fight each other, they wouldn’t have survived all these years. How many people want to actually fight each day they go to class? Decades ago, we actually attempted to do so.. Such training doesn’t lend itself to a successful club or school, as most people have jobs, or other responsibilities they must tend to, and constant injury, and facial deformity, is not something they are willing to pay for, or continue to do, for very long anyway. Full contact fighting, the only true pressure testing, isn’t even remotely practical for 99% of the population. Parents seeing their kids getting smashed on a wooden floor or cracked in the face isn’t a thing either. Legal liabilities are real however. In response to reality, Traditional self defense based Martial arts, such as AikiJujitsu, have attempted to continue to provide basic self defense techniques that may aid someone in an actual non consensual altercation, while also allowing them to remain healthy and gainfully employed . In addition, students become stronger, healthier, and more flexible. Thanks for the video.

@nappyheaded

2 жыл бұрын

Sparing and fighting aren't the same thing. Martial arts that don't have any type of sparing are martially inferior to those that do.

@ironmikehallowween

2 жыл бұрын

@@nappyheaded I agree with your comment: sparring is not fighting, it is a simulation, and it is necessary to develop timing, distance, etc.. what I was trying to say is that most people do not take martial arts to actually fight. It is a hobby, something they enjoy doing, an activity for their children, etc.. and may help them defend themselves. Kickboxing, Boxing, MMA would be a far better choice if someone we’re interested in actually learning to fight.

@nappyheaded

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironmikehallowween I can't argue against your comment. I pretty much agree with what you said.

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

Dr aikijj does have sparring. We do randori. And it is not for kids, kids are taught way softer forms

I cannot understand it. Apparently is ignored that not all the aikido schools have given up to the old throws which were in aikido too. The kata guruma type is still practiced in some aikido schools. Of course if we look at aikidoism, so the new generations, like TIssier and others, of course they don t use it. But it is their problem, and the problem of those who believe that Tissier and friends is the same like Ueshiba s aikido/daito ryu.

@SoldierAndrew

Жыл бұрын

Ueshiba taught in his own published writings and in his biography (read The Art of Peace and read The Invincible Warrior, for starters) that Ai Ki Do is not for fighting. Ueshiba Osensei himself joined the pacifist Omoto Kyo cult after his experiences in the Japanese-Russo War and experiences fighting bandits in Mongolia. He said himself that the physical techniques of Ai Ki Do were for exercise only. He created Ai Ki Do as partner assisted exercise to unite people in peaceful co-operation, to slay ego and to unify humanity while also using the trappings of Ai Ki Do exercise as a recruitment vehicle for the pacifist Omoto Kyo cult. Ueshiba was a high priest in the pacifist Omoto Kyo cult and had renounced violence and killing. Daito Ryu is exponentially different than Ai Ki Do in technical application, intent and purpose. I've studied both arts extensively in my youth. Among other arts. Ueshiba had studied several Japanese Koryu Jujutsu before Sokaku Takeda taught Daito Ryu briefly to Ueshiba Osensei and when Ueshiba began teaching the little Daito Ryu he knew to employees of a newspaper in Japan for self defense it was the Daito Ryu master himself, Sokaku Takeda, whom traveled to the newspaper and announced that he would teach the newspaper employees his art because (he announced) Ueshiba had learned almost nothing of Daito Ryu. To the uninitiated eye anyone performing ikkyo, nikkyo and sankyo or wearing traditional hakama pants is doing Ai Ki Do. But ikkyo, nikkyo and sankyo are common to most traditional Japanese Ryu of Yawara/Jujutsu/Taijutsu. As are samurai hakama pants. Once you've studied Daito Ryu you'll understand just how exponentially different it truly is from Ueshiba's physical exercise program (his own words) of the Omoto Kyo cult really is. If you're truly this passionate or even curious about Daito Ryu it would behoove you to go to Japan and train. Life in this realm is very short and people make sacrifices for what's truly important or passionate to them. Don't root yourself in speculation nor the experiences of others but go out and experience for yourself. I grew up poor but I joined the military to allow me to travel , to meet interesting people from all over the world and to seek out teachers. Go find out for yourself, just as Chadi does. He left behind everything to pursue his passions and learn via personal experience. Lastly, it's important to consider context in all things. In an unarmed civil society things like boxing, BJJ and unarmed MMA cage brawling seem superior fighting arts. In an armed, feudal, society where every fight is with bladed weapons to the death one realizes that bareknuckle boxing & BJJ / kosen judo are impotent against bladed opposition. . . this is where the Koryu were born and evolved from.

There are a lot of people comparing Aikido and AikiJuJutSu in the comments. There is a huge misconception in the west about a lot of Japanese martial arts. Aikido was never meant to be used for self defense - it’s there to cultivate the mind, strengthen the body and renew the spirit. it’s not about beating up thugs on the street. All ‘do’ arts are meant to do that, either through sports competitions (like Judo - Judo is closest to actual original JuJutsu arts) or through practice and rituals (like aikido - TaiChi is very similar). A great video by Ask Shogo covers this and Chadi should have him on. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXiHp86Od5athcY.html

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

Already had him on, you cam find it on my channel

@TheCCBoi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi excellent, i’ll watch it now! Thank you for the amazing content!

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

However, Ueshiba was very adamant that Aikido must be effective in application. He even wrote down a set of techniques to win against Judoka in challenge matches.

Dear sir thanks but sorry this doesn’t work in real. I am bjj BB 3 rd degree instructor and Japanese Jj BB 1st deg. I had fights on tatami with Aikido 4th degree and 2nd second deg bb they taped 4 times in 5 min. I am not showing off saying this it’s exposing just the reality vs stories. Aikido is nice to see but it’s efficiency is near to 0 in a real fight. Hierarchically I would place Bjj first , then thaï and English or American boxing in second as efficient fighting system. Judo is just a branch of JJJ like Aikido and Karate and they are unfortunately not real defensive systems.

Judo was derived from Jujitsu! Aikido is derived from Aikijutsu. Nowadays, the goal of training in Jujitsu and Aikijutsu is different than before. The context is different!

It wont work against superbon

Tonomo Saigo was a master of Oshikiuchi, not Daito-ryu. This was an art related to maintaining order in the household, sort of being a bouncer. His son, Shiro Saigo came to Tokyo and met Kano when Saigo was about 16 years old, so was hardly an adept at anything. Takeda’s art of Daito-ryu was formed from his extensive experience in several arts, and didn’t take form until later. So Shiro Saigo likely was not relying heavily on some extensive experience in Daito when he fought for the Kodokan. Formally, Daito didn’t even exist. Certainly, arts that led to Daito did exist for hundreds of years, just as the arts that led to Judo existed for hundreds of years. Takeda was annoyed with Kano’s success and the stories he told about Judo vs. Daito were a little misleading.

@KoRNeRd

2 жыл бұрын

The same is the reason why he got angry with Ueshiba. Daito-ryu was supposed to be taught to 'elites' which could pay. Kendo, judo and aikido were about mass adoption in a safe sport-like manner and not hidden 'murder techniques'.

Daito-ryu Aikijutsu is much more combat effective than Aikido. Ki is usually used in an explosive manner! The Chinese internal martial arts call this "Fajin"! Aikido usually uses Ki in a smooth flowing manner! Aikijutsu is effective for street defence unlike Aikido!

@TheCCBoi

2 жыл бұрын

There is a huge misconception in the west about Aikido. It’s a ‘do’ martial art - it’s meant to cultivate the mind, body and spirit - it’s not meant for self defense. Check out this video from Shogo about the difference between ‘Jutsu’ and ‘do’ martial arts. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXiHp86Od5athcY.html

But depite everything being said, rather than discussing with people who try to keep the efficiency of the traditional martial arts, you still keep the comparisons with the martial museum arts.... Rejecting any confrontation with those people, and keeping contact with the ones who do this and that, and they call it aikido or daito ryu without any evidences that what they do is what should be done. Why so... The point is just to have more clicks..otherwise the thing would be faced in another way.

@daveshif2514

2 жыл бұрын

I kind of agree. Dr still exists. Nothing shown in the video is “lost”. Plenty of ppl do dr, and can be spoken to. The mainline and branches are well documented as well as where you can locate the associated schools

@Eternaprimavera73

Жыл бұрын

More than 30 years of experience and research make me understand exactly the opposite. Not to mention the fact that those Who learntbgrom both, Takeda and Ueshiba, said that their technique was the same. There are other things. People are able to find by themselves.

Like wing Chun if you mix modern martial arts like boxing with it. Its works better. By itself it doesn't. Same with this martial arts in this video by itself it's not as good as some other grappling or ground martial arts. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go learn it. Learning different style stances looks are good for your overall martial arts also it's good for the spirit.