The Lore of Dragon's Dogma 2 Explained

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  • @ThePawnedPawn
    @ThePawnedPawn2 ай бұрын

    I gave it my best. Here's hoping we can continue to get a better understanding of the Brine as time goes on. 🫡

  • @NeedsContent
    @NeedsContent2 ай бұрын

    I love how the Unmoored world recontextualizes the Brine as some kind of eldritch horror that's been lurking (literally) beneath the surface all this time. Only by rejecting the world's 'order' do we expose the Brine's true face.

  • @raphathekid

    @raphathekid

    2 ай бұрын

    So, does Ashe's decision on BBI to deny the cycle would also brings The Brine to reveal himself, eventually? ;o If was in DD2, of course

  • @NeedsContent

    @NeedsContent

    2 ай бұрын

    @@raphathekid I'm still learning the lore, so I can't give you a comprehensive answer, but hopefully someone else can.

  • @StyleshStorm

    @StyleshStorm

    Ай бұрын

    I played for nearly 200 hours and never seen this "Unmoored World" why does it sound almost love craftian?

  • @NeedsContent

    @NeedsContent

    Ай бұрын

    @@StyleshStorm Because that's basically what it is. I highly recommend choosing the Unmoored World ending.

  • @PhilUP
    @PhilUP2 ай бұрын

    Do like the brine lore within DD2, hope it gets more lore or plays a part within the dlc as well.

  • @RomanGuro
    @RomanGuro2 ай бұрын

    3:35 The last Dragon is the Pathfinder himself.

  • @SADYT-be5qe

    @SADYT-be5qe

    Ай бұрын

    Exactly

  • @Elunev
    @Elunev2 ай бұрын

    I don't believe we know enough about Pathfinder to suggest they're "above" seneschal and I still maintain there is nothing above it. The seneschal is king of the World and Flameservant, they exist purely for creation's sake; I think some in the community are incorrect to assume the greater will refers to "God 2.0" and to assume Pathfinder is linked to it at all. That kinda flies in the face of the philosophy of this game - the greater will is likely meant to be (in-lore) something more akin to an omnipresent source of energy, a complete antithesis to the void or nonexistence (out of lore, it's just the devs lol). As for Talos, consider that it doesn't really matter if we interact with it or not (as far as we know). As you said, its destiny is to be stopped just short of Phaesus, which leads me to the next point: Talos targeted Phaesus and not the Arisen. I believe he was actually going to upset the order - not that his Royce dragon was an apocalyptic threat, but rather it was a proof of concept. Phaesus proved that, as a mortal, he could harness the power of Arisen to challenge the order. Phaesus is not the threat that Talos was meant for, but Phaesus still presented a very real threat to the cycle and did absolutely intend to end it. Rothais established that Pathfinder had been sending Arisen for a long time to destroy him, Phaesus simply recognized that all those dead Arisen could still be useful. The connection to Daimon is good to note but I think you missed one key thing which is in Kurteth's thread iirc: Daimon didn't die. We did not destroy Daimon and a totally different body (resembling Pathfinder) actually sinks into the floor following some ominous chanting. This and Pathfinder's dragon looking just like Daimon suggests to me that Pathfinder could very well be Daimon. But why would a being born of the wish to destroy the cycle perpetuate it? Simple. Bitterblack Isle and Daimon feed off suffering caused by the cycle. The cycle has to exist for suffering to occur. Listen to what general NPCs say as part of their dialogue throughout both games. A very large majority of the dialogue in this game especially relates in some way to the cycle. Villagers will talk about the mundanity of it all and outright mention how things seem to repeat, they seem to do this more in NG+. The characters in the game world are suffering because they are keying in on the cyclical nature of it all and this is reinforced by Pathfinder being present in NG+ as well. What little we do know is that Rothais is the seneschal and Pathfinder is perpetuating a fake cycle in his place. I wish we knew more about the Brine but I think it's narrative purpose here goes only as far as Pathfinder controlling it. Out of lore, we obviously know it's because swimming doesn't really have a place in the game (Jak & Daxter implemented a similar mechanic and also gave an in-lore explanation) but in this game's lore, I feel like the Brine is just a neutral swarm/hivemind creature that has probably existed for as long as the cycle and exists to limit creation, maybe? So a seneschal doesn't go TOO crazy with spurring on life. That's all I got since we are given very little.

  • @Elunev

    @Elunev

    2 ай бұрын

    I wanted to mention separately from my wall of speculation that your video is solid. I appreciate the time you took and hopefully this spurs discussion of this game's lore because I do think we missed a few key things, even now. If anyone thinks I'm crazy for suggesting that please pull head from ass and remember that we are still finding secrets in games that came out decades ago, and DD is substantially more technically complex than older games Props to PawnedPawn as well, they know their stuff 😌

  • @wakingdragon7538

    @wakingdragon7538

    2 ай бұрын

    I thought it was more like Rothais rejecting the role of Seneschal which majorly fucked up the cycle, necessitating Pathfinder's creation to continue it, with Pathfinder being a Seneschal-like figure but with little differences beyond seemingly not originating from an Arisen who perpetuates the cycle and being able to control the Brine itself

  • @Elunev

    @Elunev

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@wakingdragon7538 You're spot on, I think. I didn't mention my overall theory in that comment, just replied to some things mentioned in the video but I agree entirely. Rothais is a seneschal who has abdicated his role, leaving the throne occupied but the role unfulfilled. The role he chooses is one I wondered about since we met Savan, especially since Savan implied this could happen (his fire going cold and the purpose of the trials in the first place) Where does PF fit into this? They don't. At all. PF is a fluke of fate and perpetuates a fake cycle where Rothais refuses to perpetuate one at all. I dont believe Rothais wants to destroy it all, I'm fairly sure he could have around the time he founded Vermund, but he chose instead to stop it entirely with him at the heart of the cycle. whats cool about the theory of PF being Daimon or linked to Daimon is the MO fits - PF ensures the continuation of the cycle so that people continue to suffer from the cycle that said, I don't think the player Arisen has ever broken the cycle (main pawn becomes our Arisen and then seneschal in DD1 via Bestowal of Spirit) and while it's unclear what state the cycle is in now, it's safe to say we did not and will never "break" the cycle. The player can leave the cycle when they quit the game but the game world is confined to the cycle indefinitely, until the greater will (Itsuno) says otherwise

  • @ThePawnedPawn

    @ThePawnedPawn

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Elunev Thanks for the props. I'm bound to miss a lot since I don't currently own Dragon's Dogma 2, or a system to run it. I wouldn't mind revisiting this topic later once I can do more than use secondhand accounts and information.

  • @wakingdragon7538

    @wakingdragon7538

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Elunev One thing I do find interesting is how Pawn dialogue in NG+ seems to indicate how you've somehow left for another place but still decided to return The very first player pawn I spoke to in the Rift said something like "Arisen! I knew you loved this world too much to leave it behind" As for the Watching One, well the name Grigori translates into Watching One (More accurately watcher) so make of that what you will

  • @LzHiei
    @LzHiei2 ай бұрын

    My view for the Brine is that it acts as a security wall, it just follows a systematic routine that was set onto it. Pathfinder is an extension of the security seeking answer from Seneschal after Rotias gave up being Seneschal and leaving the throne empty, by it being emptied for so long and Dragons came in waves, it became sentient and "created" Pathfinder, and started to "correct" the flow as what it was intended. The Brine can differentiate things from living and non living, and their final form of ending it all is Dragon Nex, the truest form of the Brine. That's how I perceived the Brine and Pathfinder while Rotias kept referring to it as All Seeing Eye. But ultimately, it's just how I view my side of the story and I want to know more about the Old Lunatic Man. Why do we revive on his bed when we die in Unmoored and why is he in the ending scene. What's the significance of him being shown at the end of the trailer. What's the connection between you and him ?

  • @Mr.Nahe.Dortmund

    @Mr.Nahe.Dortmund

    2 ай бұрын

    The old man probably IS us. He is a failed arisen. He has seen the unmoored world and failed. Then the pathfinder and brine returns the world to their normal state again and it begins anew. Basically a time loop. How else could he know all that stuff about talos and the brine? If we succeed the final ending we can see the old man taking his boat out to the sea like he always wanted. The brine is probably gone now as the cycle was truly broken. Maybe he finds a way to bbi again, who knows?

  • @leothi2

    @leothi2

    2 ай бұрын

    My hypothesis is that the arisen is somehow transported to another universe when they fail to save their own world from the Brine, and it must be what happened to the old man, instead of him being us, his appearance doesn't change even though the cutscene shows our character. It may also be what justifies NG+ in-universe too, an arisen killed by a power equal to theirs (like the Godsbane or the Brine once unleashed) may travel through the Rift instead of dying, to serve as another arisen, or not. I find that really ironic and tragic about the old man. We see a few failed arisens, and they are all more impressive than him, but he's the one who's been the furthest, he's the one who proved his determination. Seeing his world devoured by the void, just to end up in an identical one where everyone he knows is here, but doesn't remember him, after being so close to what he must have seen as the absolute truth, is what must have driven him insane. It's obvious the Pathfinder is linked to the Brine, but i never thought about him originating from it. It's an interesting idea. It could mean that there is a will inside the void to keep the battle between itself and the will of the world to survive going, and that must be why the Pathfinder seems so obsessed with finding a way to kill Rotias. Maybe the void itself is stuck in the cycle of the dogma, and seeks to perpetuate the cycle of the seneschal in the hope that it will break at some point and let it prevail. Each cycle, the basic will to destroy in the void may believe it has a chance to win at last. There is something fundamentally broken with this world caused by Rotias, and i'm starting to think it put the dogma in a stalemate.

  • @30noir

    @30noir

    2 ай бұрын

    The significance of him at the end is, I'm fairly sure to pay-off his earlier comments about wanting to sail and then at the end, the brine is gone and he can sail away in safety. I mean I honestly don't think it's worth overthinking - the brine makes no sense. If it killed living things that went underwater then how do fish exist. Let's not make up too many stories about a mechanic inserted to save on swimming animations.

  • @LzHiei

    @LzHiei

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@30noirif you noticed, there's a depth limit before Brine starts attacking including fishes. There are saurians that actually swim around in the water but only on the surface level but the moment you throw them back, they're eaten. That's why boats can go fishing but it doesn't go far before Brine acts as a limiter.

  • @LzHiei

    @LzHiei

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@leothi2I just took it as the system started to be sentient and combined into one, a leader to keep it running. Like a niche Terminator stuff, the AI slowly becomes sentient. Things just evolve sometimes due to conditions and my condition is Rotias used Talos so many times to kill the Dragon that the cycle never started in the first place. For the old man, I was thinking it could be another Arisen from a different rift line but how long has he been there and why didn't he go to other Arisens to group up, and fight the foreseeable end. My other take is, he could be the closest Seneschal candidate but failed and instead of restarting the end, Pathfinder chewed him out of the loop and scared off potential Arisens that come after him.

  • @UmbraDiSol
    @UmbraDiSol2 ай бұрын

    Secondarily, this ties into what and why the pathfinder is doing. Rothais broke the cycle, his madness preventing anyone from taking over. So the pathfinder is acting as an interim seneschal, but has to do with the powers he has control over- and his own misunderstandinf of what the cycle is and represents. Hes stagnating the world.

  • @deustauries
    @deustauries2 ай бұрын

    Imagine making a pool in a dragons dogma world 😂

  • @ace-juggernaut-05

    @ace-juggernaut-05

    2 ай бұрын

    The hot springs don't count?

  • @DeathKhan

    @DeathKhan

    Ай бұрын

    @@ace-juggernaut-05 It seems to be a depth thing. As long as it's not *too* deep, it's okay. But once it's deep enough to "swim" in, then the Brine has issues.

  • @enoctiskokorotis5236

    @enoctiskokorotis5236

    Ай бұрын

    Brine probably see this kinda of thinks like a Shrine for him or something

  • @lupin2232

    @lupin2232

    28 күн бұрын

    Brian the Brine

  • @austinshelton8438
    @austinshelton84382 ай бұрын

    Man I missed these lore videos, great work as always!

  • @The_Rift

    @The_Rift

    2 ай бұрын

    Cheers Austin, been some time making these.

  • @user-to8bj8li7r
    @user-to8bj8li7r2 ай бұрын

    Been waiting since the game came out for lore videos, so excited

  • @lexzeyfercronus
    @lexzeyfercronusАй бұрын

    One thing that speaks a lot about the path finder is how he manipulates things to follow a set course of actions,he breaks rook's godswill controll,he helps guide the arisen to escape from the excavation site,gives advice as soon as the arisen gets to bathal (well,as soon as the arisen get there through an story quest),he also quite literally mind controlls Ambrosious to change his mind and give the arisen the new godsbane,the path finder goes against everything a seneschal (or some one that takes care of the world to preserve its cycle) should be,hes not allowing people to follow their will,specially the Arisen,no wonder the world of DD2 and its cycle was so fucked up,although Rothais is the worst offender. I still think there should have been more story and lore regarding the path finder,where did he came from? How did he even came to be? Has there been others before him that also have been trying to preserve the world due to Rothais leaving it unattended and what is his true relationship with the brine?

  • @NinesIng
    @NinesIng2 ай бұрын

    Would be cool if in DLC we could find the source of the brine and rid the world of it or something like that.

  • @SlightlyThrowed420
    @SlightlyThrowed420Ай бұрын

    Anyone else notice Gran soran as the seafloor shrine in the unmoored world. Lore points to gran soran being in ruins for over 2,000 years after being swallow by the sea

  • @ziloe
    @ziloe2 ай бұрын

    Also, I just want to point out, but the fighter's black armor, that's clearly Daimon's face on it, right? I'm not crazy, am I?!

  • @dustinhill4834

    @dustinhill4834

    2 ай бұрын

    My first thought as well.

  • @SirDoots

    @SirDoots

    Ай бұрын

    I thought this as well

  • @rhodan74
    @rhodan742 ай бұрын

    Then what is the "chaos" the pathfinder is refering to ? I thought the pathfinder is just a manipulative asshole that will conjure up any story to get us to fullfil our role. Also DD2 did not give us any more info on the senechal's purpose/role besides vaguely hinting at that the seafloor shrine king was one (forgot his name): Some cthulu being created the cycle and its rules, set it in motion and then let it play out. The great will is just another name for it. But I thought it is hands off. DD2 implies that if the cycle is broken, a failsafe comes into play....the brine. It will umoor the world and devour it. But what is the pathfinder now besides some glorified questgiver ? Why even introduce him/her when the whole dragon/arisen/senechal thingy is working fine and the brine can always course-correct ? I'm more confused after DD2 than I was after DD1.....

  • @Jolife70

    @Jolife70

    2 ай бұрын

    I guess the Pathfinder was created to try and course correct the seneschal. Because it's heavily implied that the beastren you meet when you bring the old castle from the water is the seneschal, and he didn't want to perpetuate the cycle and keep it going. The great will noticed this, and likely created Pathfinder to send arisen to try to take his place anyway, but that's essentially fighting God so they all died. I believe the Pathfinder was the contingency for the seneschal until he kept failing, and the brine is possibly the contingency for the dragon. A bit weird, but that's my theory

  • @Elunev

    @Elunev

    2 ай бұрын

    Chaos is referring to the world without the cycle, which in Pathfinder's estimation, is more or less the Unmoored World. He certainly IS a manipulative ass, but in this case, take the idea you posted and just go one step further: the Brine might be a failsafe, but so is Pathfinder. I don't believe he's actually a part of the cycle, I think he is basically a fluke that addresses Rothais as a negligent seneschal Savan establishes that the world needs a seneschal to continue, so Rothais as an errant seneschal presents the potential end to the cycle in this case. Pathfinder is attempting to remove Rothais from his throne for some reason (possibly to continue the proper cycle), but Pathfinder is not a seneschal nor is he above the seneschal (nothing is) which is why PF has been enlisting Arisen to destroy Rothais Thinking about it now, the Brine may actually exist to return the world to a former state should a rogue seneschal come into play. That would neatly explain why they can overpower a seneschal - it's their whole function

  • @asunayuuki1276

    @asunayuuki1276

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Elunev I believe Rothais became the Seneschal by default. In DD1 after you become Seneschal you off yourself thinking it ends the cycle but Pathfinder makes a new dragon Rothais is first to kill it. Since there is no Seneschal he becomes Seneschal but doesn't know what he is suppose to do so he makes a kingdom out of boredom. Pathfinder tries to continue the cycle and replace Rothais. Don't know why PF didn't talk to Rothais about Seneschal duties unless he didn't understand or outright refused. Since Rothais kills all of the Arisen before you PF decides to change tactics so that he freely gives up the Godsbane Blade technically making you the Seneschal. Then after you kill draconic Pathfinder you become Pathfinder. What do you think?

  • @danyul2571

    @danyul2571

    2 ай бұрын

    @@asunayuuki1276 "Then after you kill draconic Pathfinder you become Pathfinder. What do you think?" i believe you are right here, the dialogue the pathfinder says as they die hints at this. there's another theory that i have. all the pathfinder (from my memory) states about the greater will are that it creates arisen to rise up to counter the dragon. the dragon, the brine and the world is created by the "world-forge" in the absence of the cycle only oblivion is assured. the dragon, the seneschal are both former arisen. the drakes call the arisen "kin". it might stand to reason that all levels of being right up to the world-forge are in some form past arisen the world forge maybe being the first. and the greater will is just an expression of all will manifest in chosen arisen. all arisen are in some way chosen and groomed for leadership roles, and all levels of being higher than arisen seem to at some stage wish to be freed of their roles. in whatever capacity the cycle of arisen and dragon only seems to be in that state because that's how the first form of the arisen/world forge/pathfinder/will decided that's how it should be to keep at bay the nothingness. when you start new game plus i think that's you as the new world-forge wanted it the new cycle to be. that or everything is true save for the world forge part and that is some foreign power at play keeping the people and their scary powers (dragons seneschals ect) from going outside of their world area and messing other places up. too many braincells died in my head thinking about this.

  • @asunayuuki1276

    @asunayuuki1276

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danyul2571 Maybe keeping the nothingness is meant only to be temporary and a test until someone with enough will comes along to defeat the Greater Will and possibly beyond. Which could mean the Greater Will is an Arisen. Of course if all is going according to the Greater Will's plan it either wants to be defeated or has some other plan in in store for someone stronger than the World-forge. Who needs brain cells anyway?

  • @stoneroses8818
    @stoneroses88182 ай бұрын

    Wait.. correct me if im wrong but the Brine was not created by the Pathfinder. Its a natural force that counters creation. I remember the Pathfinder said something like, whenever the Great Will creates a world, it wouldnt last long before the Brine destroys it. And thus the Dragons Dogma cycle was established in place to prevent that.

  • @ThePawnedPawn

    @ThePawnedPawn

    2 ай бұрын

    Let's be fair, I'm largely working with what I can gather secondhand. This is a topic I would love to revisit once I can actually research on my own without relying on whatever I can scrounge up from others.

  • @danielcontreras6778

    @danielcontreras6778

    Ай бұрын

    The gods bane is special because it can destroy the soul, so, it could be posible that at the end of Dd2 we actually banished or killed the brime because it took a physical form.

  • @stoneroses8818

    @stoneroses8818

    Ай бұрын

    @@danielcontreras6778 i agree. The Arisen managed to break the cycle, and destroy the brine in the end so his world is now free like the old man finally sailing into the open sea without restriction

  • @leothi2
    @leothi22 ай бұрын

    I'll try to organize my current speculations about the Brine here. Most of it is based on my interpretation of the Brine dragon's monologue. About the pawns, i don't think the Brine is able to "give" them free will, i think the fact they come from the same substance, the Void, gives them the same basic instinct to destroy. But the same way the Void got turned into a challenge as the Dragon and a safeguard as the Brine, it got turned into allies to the Arisen as the pawns. This instinct coming back is what happens as the Void takes its original form in the unmoored world, but also what happens with the Dragonsplague. The pawn's safeguard breaks and the pawn turns back into a piece of void entering the world to destroy it. However, we've seen that the conviction of the Arisen is able to influence the fabric of the world itself, the main examples being the Godsway, or simply the fact the Arisen is able to unleash the Void. It's always described as a force of will, and it's a recurring theme in both games, this will is powerful enough to move the world. I think the Arisen, by convincing themselves their pawn is a person, ends up making it true. My main argument for that is a greater affinity granting a greater will. The more the Arisen treats the pawn as a human, the more human they end up being. And at some point, this new will supercedes the instinct of the Void. The way i interpret the Dragon's Dogma now, is not that the "Great Will" turned the Void into a game for its own entertainment, but that it was powerless when seeing its incursions in the worlds it created. The only thing it could do was curse the Void to always face the will of the world to survive, by making it choose a champion with the Dragon and turning the world in an arena with the Brine. The Pathfinder leaves a chance to the Arisen to not give the world to the Brine and only lets it free at the very end. And even when the Brine is devouring the world, it's still manifesting as dragon-like bosses, yet another challenge for the Arisen. One question i was left with is, if the Pathfinder originates from the Void, the reason he would try so much to get rid of Rotias and keep the cycle going. I think either the Void is satisfied with the dragon's dogma, providing enough destruction to satiate it for some time, or it's been tricked by the dogma too, hoping every new seneschal dying will be its chance to devour the world. Either way, Rotias kept the world in standby, breaking the cycle in bizarre ways. The old arisens don't die, according to the warfarer maister his dragon fled instead of choosing a new arisen, so i suppose a new dragon must be summoned each time... This situation may not satiate the Void's hunger enough. What i don't know though, Talos is obviously man-made, and serves the Brine, so who made it and for what purpose? And why was it under Gran Soren too? On another note, another way i like to read the story of the two games is as an allegory of the relationship between the rpg and its player. Dragon's Dogma is all about telling you "here, you're the hero, the chosen one, but you will have to bear the responsibilities coming with it." You may or may not care about the world you travel in, but it's up to you in the end whether you give it enough care to turn it into something meaningful or not. That's the tragedy of this universe, the people there are condemned to depend on the Arisen. In the end, you decide whether they matter or not. That's how i interpret the dragon's bargain. Do you care enough about a character to fight for them, or get a wish instead, a wish easily granted, because in the end this world is meaningless because you made it so. But a hero needs an adversary too, in the form or the Dragon and the Brine. The world needs this force to destroy it, because without it, there would be no one to give it substance, and it would not exist at all. Another way to interpret the Brine's final monologue. That's what makes the Arisen's sacrifice so powerful and so natural to end the story for me. By fighting for this world until the very end, the Arisen gave it substance, and by their sacrifice, they gave up their existence, allowing its inhabitants to finally be the masters of their destiny.

  • @Elunev

    @Elunev

    2 ай бұрын

    I really enjoy your interpretation of the lore. I would just bring up some ideas that might answer the question you posited: I don't recall it being stated that Pathfinder was born of the void. I suppose, at some point, everything technically is born from it if the default state of the World is a void and the rift is a dimension between. But, my theory has always been that Pathfinder is not a higher power than Rothais and this is why they have been sending Arisen to try to destroy Rothais. Rothais IS the seneschal and he is negligent in his responsibility to create and perpetuate the cycle. He has effectively abdicated the role, but he cannot be freed from the cycle until he is beaten by another Arisen, so he's holding it hostage. That said, my question is why wouldn't Pathfinder send us to deal with Rothais in the fake Sovran ending? I vaguely recall some dialogue around the ending about Pathfinder and Rothais specifically, but I'm blanking off the top. I don't think we were meant to take any mentions of the void and the "greater will" too seriously either, to be honest. I've read many interpretations that the greater will (or even Pathfinder) is the seneschal's manager, for lack of a better term, and that's got to be lamest way to remove all stakes from this story. If either of those things were true, Rothais would be smote where he sits and we would've seen a proper cycle. Instead, what I think we have is the remains of Daimon traveling beyond the rift and just biding his time. They watched until Rothais was born and became seneschal, and then they either made themselves known or Rothais became aware on his own, and went down a nihilistic route. He became king of the World and still held no power, so what was the point? Rothais - fortunately - didn't want to destroy the world, he just wanted to stall the cycle indefinitely, which he alone can do as seneschal. All that said, I could of course be wrong and the plot is just littered with holes and more questions than answers, that's just DD baby You might actually be cooking with that Dragonsplague theory too

  • @swagdaddy8298
    @swagdaddy82982 ай бұрын

    So if we drink from a body of water, let's say from a river, did we automatically consume the brine?

  • @ZephrusPrime
    @ZephrusPrime2 ай бұрын

    Can you do a how to mod DD2 vid?

  • @nekoroseysenpai70
    @nekoroseysenpai702 ай бұрын

    i still wanna know what exactly happened with beating DD2 cause it seems like the water returned to where it was once we killed the super big dragon does that mean things like, the brine is gone? if so then is the rumored dlc covering what happens now afterwards? is there possibly gonna be a 3rd game after the events of the 2nd? like theres so much more room for questions and theories then there was in the first one.

  • @howdygamer6293
    @howdygamer62932 ай бұрын

    Great video rift, hopefully dragon princess actually lets us see what brian looks like, an eldritch horror, or maybe it looks similar to Tartarus from the Greek pantheon

  • @callinrobinett9397
    @callinrobinett939728 күн бұрын

    So the Brine, the Pathfinder and the final Dragon are all one aren’t they? It seems like the brine is just the physical manifestations of the pathfinder. And when he takes full control and put his soul back in there, he becomes a massive dragon. The crazy thing is that during the final confrontation you’re told that the greater will made the first dragon from oblivion. Doesn’t that mean that the brine is oblivion given a will of its own? Just a thought.

  • @rustyx5445
    @rustyx54452 ай бұрын

    Yay lore time

  • @UmbraDiSol
    @UmbraDiSol2 ай бұрын

    Glad to see my theory that the bribe is the pathfinding tool of the Pathfinder is catching on

  • @UmbraDiSol

    @UmbraDiSol

    2 ай бұрын

    Now let's talk the World Forged and how it's related

  • @brandonmicheletti7061
    @brandonmicheletti7061Ай бұрын

    Sorry, I have some question Is this the same world of DD1? What is the lore of DD online, what's out the cycles?

  • @ravenroc1784
    @ravenroc17842 ай бұрын

    If the pathfinder is in charge of the brine then I greatly dislike it as well, I have lost more pawns to the brine than in combat its frustrating when way out and no rift stones nearby.

  • @Zappieroth
    @Zappieroth2 ай бұрын

    Brine DLC when?!

  • @scarletboy9764
    @scarletboy97642 ай бұрын

    Watcher: Hypnos Brine: Rivers of Hell Nex: Thanatos Just reminds me of it.

  • @enoctiskokorotis5236
    @enoctiskokorotis5236Ай бұрын

    "Oh Brine! Oh Brine! have mercy on these poor bastard" Some more lore and Brine will become part of the Great Ones of Bloodborne

  • @crimson1953
    @crimson19532 ай бұрын

    Pawned pawn miss hearing from yes buddy

  • @ThePawnedPawn

    @ThePawnedPawn

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm still here! Just frequently distracted by life. I'm also somewhat crippled by lacking Dragon's Dogma 2. Digging up fresh lore is tricky. lol

  • @crimson1953

    @crimson1953

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ThePawnedPawn I hear ya.glad.your doing alright. We miss hearing from ya in the group

  • @danielcontreras6778
    @danielcontreras6778Ай бұрын

    In vermount theres a merchant that says the old crazy man has attempted dailing away multiple times but gets trown back to the shore by the brime, that means he is wither an arisen or it could be a pawn, i belive that this old man is the Fool, the pawn from the dragonforged of DD1. At the end of the first dragons dogma the Arisens at the time died and they're pawns remained, but we all know that paws become vessel's of the arisen soul in time, that makes me believe that the ful, by having the sould of the old dragonforged could implied that has an undaying soul, and an inmortal body.

  • @h.knight
    @h.knight2 ай бұрын

    Yep, I was waiting for this.

  • @MrAlgur
    @MrAlgur2 ай бұрын

    So the pathfinder is more powerful than the senechal i think it was the contrary.

  • @danielcontreras6778

    @danielcontreras6778

    Ай бұрын

    The scene half creates and the pathfinder destroys, but I don't think it's the last "god" the were multiple gods of elements in the first game.

  • @ziloe
    @ziloe2 ай бұрын

    THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST

  • @ChrisWizzerd
    @ChrisWizzerdАй бұрын

    This is all well and good, but I just think the dev is afraid of swimming in water so he implemented his fear into the game.

  • @sandwich4916
    @sandwich4916Ай бұрын

    Also I heard that the original Japanese script refers to the first game a lot but English localization doesn't so maybe if you study it you might find more explanations for the future videos

  • @Mr.Nahe.Dortmund
    @Mr.Nahe.Dortmund2 ай бұрын

    The pathfinder reminds me of god from "to your eternity". Great anime btw, go watch it. In tye, god acts out of pure boredom. He creates a immortal shape-shifting ball and sends it to earth. Over the millenials the ball gets the shape of a human and God watches it just to not succumb to boredom. God and the pathfinder almost look identical, with the exception that the pathfinder has emotions. And they act similar too. The pathfinder clearly does whatever he enjoys and finds interesting. He watches the arisen and guides him just as God does with his creation in to your eternity. Funny thing is that the brine are similar to creatures that act as antagonists in tye. I would even go so far and say that itsuno read to your eternity and copied some concepts.

  • @yharnamiyhill787
    @yharnamiyhill7872 ай бұрын

    Makes me think if the world and the cycle only apply to this DD2 area alone. Once you venture to another country, there will be different lore, Gods, laws, etc. (Almost like God of War 3, 4, 5)

  • @should_296
    @should_2962 ай бұрын

    Valmiro must be the pathfinder to not get attacked by the brine when he set out in the final quest x)

  • @sapien377
    @sapien3772 ай бұрын

    Pathfinder, Watcher, Seneschal, etc. They're all the same but different? Dogma's lore will always take a back seat to the combat. It's too convoluted to even begin to take seriously. Just kill monsters.

  • @danyul2571

    @danyul2571

    2 ай бұрын

    you would make the perfect arisen to perpetuate the cycle. the dragon chose well.

  • @gilcorrea283
    @gilcorrea2832 ай бұрын

    When the devs think it’s cheaper to make it forbidden to swim and end up spending all resources on writers and lore to justify the lack of swimming mechanics… I like it 🫡

  • @Elunev

    @Elunev

    2 ай бұрын

    waiting on those very same writers to drop anything more than a morsel of lore on my plate man 😫😫😫

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