I searched for the rivers in the bible and your video came up and oh what a blessing 🙏🙌 my heart just wants to pack up and move to Jerusalem. Hallelujah

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment. I'm glad the teaching was a blessing to you.

I have watched 5 pods on where is the Garden of Eden. And we are still no closer to the place of the Garden. The flood washed it away. Eden. As it was in the beginning, so will it be in the End. Paradise.

The Garden of Eden is the Earth, It's right under the asphalt and concrete.

Jerusalem,Israel is in Africa; therefore the Garden of Eden is in Africa.

First time I have listened to you ... it is a safe bet in listening to someone that uses scripture to verify, justify and explain scripture, that it will lead to the truth of scripture and amazing !

This is one of the most interesting hypotheses of the location of the Garden of Eden I heard because it makes sense.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. I hope you will find the other programs of interest, too.

Of all the theories regarding the location of the Garden of Eden, this makes the most sense to me. Creator God just has so much going on in Jerusalem, that it is not hard at all to believe your presentation. Thank you for scriptual references supporting your conclusion.

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Monica. I am very glad the presentation made sense to you.

@Queen77775

Жыл бұрын

Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

🤯🤯- That's what happened when you laid the 1500 sq mile border!! That completely encompasses the land which the LORD originally to Abraham's descendants according to Gen 15:18-19!!! This is exciting!! Subscribed!!

This is exiting, you covered from past to future, Genesis to Revelation beyond and in between. I believe marking point of YHWH is Gihon springs and Rock on Moriah. I hope to see more teachings in near future. Thank you

Wow thank you sir for that information. God bless you More

What a blessing! Thank you, brother! Thank you, Yeshua! Thank you, Heavenly Father!!!

@bereanendeavor2419

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for your encouraging word.

Whether or not it’s so, it seems exactly like something God would do. Very interesting.

That was great and awesome!!! Need you to appear on every net-work.

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comments, Earl. If you watched the program on a television station, please let them know that you enjoy watching Berean Endeavor. They are good people and that sort of feedback is always an encouragement to them.

Your teachings are fascinating! I’d love to see more teaching on hybrids

Merry Christmas Robert, God bless you and your family

Lebanon is also apart of Eden cause it says it in Ezekiel 31:16, it gives even more evidence that Jerusalem is the garden because the children of Israel was to inherit all the way up to the forest of Lebanon. Also I believe the Jordan river is the unspoken river that watered the garden and the 4 named rivers were conected to it. O my goodness, Israel is in the shape of a dove!

I loved it!

Love your presentation.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

Robert can you put these videos on a playlist,?so it move on to next one by itself?

On google maps you see where the Euphrates River flows. Near Khorramshahr the Kanun River flows into the Euphrates River. To a person standing in that area it looks like at least 4 rivers converging. It would be a great place to have a garden.

by the way the three kings came from Parvaim also (see the song lyrics), it include the word Orient (Parvaim). Look for scripture about Ophir that takes three yeas to get to. Word about the birth of messiah travels fast don't it? it got to Ophir real fast didn't it? Unless they were related to Joktan and already knew. Search Palawan to see what the surrounds the garden The rivers in the middle east are mickey mouse rivers, the ancient great rivers were an average of 40 miles wide (ancient seas before the flood). You think the creator will create a world with mickey mouse rivers? To supply water to the entire earth?

Too good 👍

I like this, very interesting full of good info. Thank you sir for sharing

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jerry.

I wish these videos were numbered, in some kind of order thank you

Great teaching. I was in Isrrael in late 80’s And I’ve always wanted to go back. This is fabulous.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Bertha. I hope you can go back at some time in the future.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Bertha.

I feel like the holy spirit directed me to this program to you . I feel truth in this. God does from time to time show those of us that belong to him his truth. Very interesting, I long for the day of the Rapture to be with our Lord. God Bless you Brother!

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment, Lee, and I am happy to know the material was a blessing to you. Hopefully the other programs I recorded will also be a positive input to your walk with our Lord.

I really enjoyed this presentation, I was truly blessed, thank you 😊

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Peter.

WOW!!!

Jibeish

Did I see you with Perry Stone? God bless you Robert

Robert where are you now? Are you ok? God bless you friend, Robert do you believe the church will be raptured away before the Great tribulation?

It's impossible to know where Eden was. The geography now won't match the geography then due to the flood of Noah's day.

🙏🙏🙏

Lovely video, thank you. But the East referred to is the direction. It is the East of Africa. Middle East. Originally called East of Africa. Your video actually proves that. Thank you. Well done on a good video.

Wonderful, thank you for sharing this amazing teaching. I read your website. Do you still organize Israel tours? Thank you & God Bless.

@bereanendeavor2419

9 ай бұрын

So glad to know the teaching made a positive connection with you.

@bereanendeavor2419

9 ай бұрын

Yes. I am currently still organizing tours and am working to put together additional video teachings.

@disciplesofyeshua4710

9 ай бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 How can I reach you? Thank you

@disciplesofyeshua4710

9 ай бұрын

Found it, have sent you a message through your website.

So the Ark only floated 373 miles from Yerushalayim to Mt. Ararat during the Great Deluge?

Robert pls. you're sadly mistaken with your search of " where the Garden of Eden is located"! I suggest go to GOD'S Culture link and read " Garden of Eden " !!

The. Headwaters. Come out. These. River rivers

Abell. Stone. Is. 120. Miles. From. Jerusalem. Ging. Toward. The. Sea

Is there a map that also takes into account the continental plates fit together? Because we know that the continents have moved since.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

If you do a search for Pangea Map I think you will find the item for which you are looking.

The garden of Eden was and is in Florida pre flood

Greetings, Sir if you take your box of lines and rotate it left just a bit it will very closely line up with the original map of the promised land god gave to his people. And i have always believed that Jerusalem was the garden, as the flood would of completely changed the worlds surface and ocean depth causing rivers to be moved/mistaken of by name.

Are more videos coming?

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

That is my intention. I met with a TV studio today about a timeframe of being able to record more videos. I was told it will be at least couple of months, but that is the plan. Thank you for your interest and for asking.

Please note that :there is a city in Northern Sudan called "Halfa". The land of Cush.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The land of Cush is where a portion of the Nile River currently flows. Josephus Flavius made mention of an underground connection between the Nile and the Sea of Galilee. I spoke of this in my video.

@Queen77775

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

@Queen77775

Жыл бұрын

Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

The garden of Aden is on different plain.

Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

The problem may be in the translation...I live on the east coast of Canada;perhaps that is 'east'??

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, it is.

so why does Noah indicate that Shems territory border to the south east includes the garden which is north of the mountains of fire at the ends of the earth (Indonesia) meaning Far east or the Orient or Qedem? what gives?

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jesus. Qedem is used in multiple places in the Bible. Not sure why whatever your source is would be assigning this word to Far East or Indonesia.

@jesustorralba2360

2 жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 ok i already gave you a lead to follow or not its up to you. Shem's Territory Jubilees 8:25 25 and it extendeth till it reacheth the waters of the river Gihon, and to the south of the waters of Gihon, to the banks of this river. (Gihon surrounds Afra or Africa)

@jesustorralba2360

2 жыл бұрын

​@@bereanendeavor2419 Ok I'll give you a word that is used only once in the bible, "Parvaim", Genesis 3:11-12 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. Bdellium=Pearl, Do a search on Pearl of the Orient (Parvaim)

@jesustorralba2360

2 жыл бұрын

​ @Berean Endeavor Ok I'll give you a word that is used only once in the bible, "Parvaim", Genesis 3:11-12 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. Bdellium=Pearl, Do a search on Pearl of the Orient (Parvaim) 2 Chronicles 3:6 And he garnished the house with precious stones for beauty: and the gold was gold of Parvaim. Parvaim is Orient? So Havilah is in Parvaim?, Where the Garden is? Where Adam and Eve lived? and all his generations up till Noah before the flood? So Noah lived there too? and the Queen of Sheba (Cebu, Sheba, Sebat, Shabat, Sabbath) lived there too?

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jesus. I found one source that said a rabbinical interpretation of "bdellium" could be "pearl". That same source also gave a general definition of "jewel" and suggested "carbuncle" and "crystal" as possibilities. Most sources say "bdellium" means a gum residue such as myrrh, and another source quotes the Septuagint interpreting "bdellium" as the name of a precious stone. Rashi also interprets "bdellium" as a precious stone. Any of those are located in the Middle East. So if there are multiple meanings for a word, I go with the one that fits the rest of the context of scripture. If you are proposing that Havilah was where Indonesia now is located, then you would be saying that Ishmael and his descendants settled in Indonesia (Gen. 25:18). And you would also be saying that Saul's defeat of the Amalekites took place in Indonesia (1 Sam. 15:7). Sorry, but that doesn't fit anything in scripture that I see. So either the "gun residue" or the "precious stone" possible definitions make more sense.

Jeremiah 9:11-12 sums it all up. Jerusalem and the temple location are in Namibia SW Africa

I am confused a bit. Genesis 2:11 states in the NASB1995; "The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold." In the King James the same verse reads; The name of the first is Pishon: That is i which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold:" in the Interlinear Bible, Hebrew, Greek and English, Published by Hedrickson Publishers, Second Edition 1986, the same verse states: "The name of the first was Pishon -- it is the one surrounding all the land of Havilah, where gold is:" I have not found anywhere so far on the internet or anywhere else the river Pishon circles the land of Havilah. there are many references to the Pishon starting at the Persian Gulf going west toward Shur (Sinai) or going back up to the Tigres and Euphrates rivers. My other concern is what has changed from the planting of the garden and the subsiding of Noah's flood. I believe the whole face of the earth changed as the waters left the face of the earth. Many pre-flood scenery was changed and nothing we see now is as it was before the flood. EVERYTHING on earth was covered by water, if you take a man made lake, and compare photos of the before it was filled with water and had a way to see what the land would look like if al the water was drained out you would not be able to identify very much between the two pictures. It is very probable that what you have derived is correct and it sounds plausible that the area around Jerusalem could be were the Garden of Eden was located. We believe that the Tigres (Hiddekel) and the Euphrates are correct, but we cannot prove that the rivers did not change course after the flood. I hold up your position and hope that when Christ calls the Church home in the near future that what you have brought forth in this video matches what God's will and master plan is. There are somethings that God is holding back on to keep the unbelievers confused.

This does seem probable and makes a lot of sense. The only thing I would disagree with is Mt. Moriah. If this is suppose to be where Abraham obediently almost sacrificed his son, wouldn't the Jews build their temple on that spot? Loved your video.

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment, Linda. Please remember that the most significant sin sacrifice in the Old Testament was the Red Heifer which was sacrificed "outside the camp" (Numbers 19:3). That would have been away from the Tabernacle. The same with the sacrifice of Yeshua for our sins - the ultimate sin sacrifice. It was done "outside the camp" (Hebrews 13:11-13), away from the Temple. The Lord's sacrificial death would have taken place on the Mt. of Olives, 2,000 cubits from the Temple which was located on Mt. Moriah. I hope this answer is helpful.

@Queen77775

Жыл бұрын

Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

Garden of Eden is right there in front of you but you can't see and know it because of sin. Garden of Eden is in the kingdom of God himself where sinners can not know and see. That is the garden God himself walks in and reign over it. You have to be holy, worthy and genuinely born-again to see it, where you will enter through Jesus and, Jesus will take you through to go to our Heavenly Father who sits on the throne. I am telling you of how Jesus has taken me through the beautiful garden to meet Heavenly Father at the other end of the garden. As we were going, we played my childhood game called Peggy touch, as we chase each other in the garden and I could hear our own laughter rang through the gardens I was made to stand before his presence and in which I was given a responsibility to serve Him to talk about His fatherly love, his agape love, his never ending and undevided love to anyone and everyone. And along whit this i was given an authority to pour olive oil wherever I go or walked on in this world uplifting my hands in the authority of heaven. With this authority given as his servant I am able to have faith that is unmovable and with that faith Lord used me to walk over the world of the dead that brings sicknesses, pain, , over all evil practices, over every hidden evil things that are hidden in the hearts and minds of men to come out to light, or to be made known. I have sound knowledge of who God, Jesus and Holy Spirit is. There are no three Gods or God tri-one. There is only one God, the only Everlasting eternal God that never dies but cannot be seen because He is spirit. The one that I stood in heaven before Him was God in the Son. Meaning, I knew it was Heavenly Father sitting on the throne but who I saw was Jesus.

@Queen77775

Жыл бұрын

Alkebulan was the original name of Africa, means mother of mankind, the garden of Eden.

My sight strays to the 2030 time period, for that would be the 2000 yr. anniversary of Yeshua's crucifixtion and ascension...

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

We will know in about 8 years if you are right.

How do you form a square without "needing to measure to the west", which is the direction to Africa. And you did, but only did it for the "grins"? For your next video - reseach The bible and Africa.

The Bible also said that the Garden of Eden is in the east. Are you pinpointing to the east? If not, then you are looking at the wrong location. Go to the farthest east then you will locate the Garden of Eden.

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Hi Francisco. Thank you for your comment. Concerning the Garden of Eden location, the term "East" is a region, not a direction, as in the "Middle East". This is a term and region that is familiar to us even today and which is where the 4 rivers that are also mentioned in Genesis 2 are located.

@franciscoballesteros2059

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 Please read and watch THE GOD CULTURE SERIES by T. SCHWAB and they have very good explanations about these things BIBLICALLY, HISTORICALLY and GEOGRAPHICALLY and nothing will loose. GOD BLESS.

@20:20, Living water is not a physical water. Let the bible define what living water is.

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, living water is a spiritual concept.

Junaynah at 20/20 by 42/55 in Asir region of Arabia is part of the garden of Eden. “The Bible Came from Arabia”, Kamal Salibi,1985.

The Land of Ophir🤫Where King Solomon got its Gold🤗Columbus, Magellan, Dr. Jose Rizal, and Bush knew🤗

What is this? How can you say you presented evidence? I can fault almost all the evidence: what about the fact that the 4 rivers only split after watering the garden, where is your evidence that such a river runs across Jerusalem. What about the verse that says that Lot chose the part that you include in the Eden garden but the Bible says that part looked like the garden of God, not that it was the garden. That alone proves that it was definitely not the garden of Eden. Also you did not prove that Euphrates and Tigris rivers today are the same as in Genesis. In fact you did not investigate the names of any locations, how do you know where Havilah was or Kush? And what about the flood that could have affected the geography. And the fact that the people after the flood named the locations and rivers, so they could have named anything with the names they would have heard stories on. I believe that there is a reason why God included the names and descriptions of Eden in the Bible, but your study is very shallow. The preflood world was different, before the fall the water levels were different, the sizes were different.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your response, Reka. I would suggest that you prove there isn't an underground river which feeds the Gihon Spring and which is mentioned in Josephus's writings according to Mendel Nun which I referenced in the video. And you will need to prove wrong the scriptures for the location of Havilah that I referenced in the video. I agree that the flood could have affected geography which could be the reason why a couple of these rivers are now flowing underground. My objective was to show that we can say there is a very real possibility that where Jerusalem is is where the Garden of Eden was once located, and nothing in that statement would conflict with the Biblical account. I pretty much said that in the video towards the end of the program. And if that is true, then it helps make more sense as to why Jerusalem is so central to God's plan for mankind's history. If you don't agree with the conclusion or have another site for the Garden of Eden, that is fine. I assume you have your reasons. If you don't believe there ever was a Garden of Eden, then disputing its location would make no sense. So, I appreciate the time you put into your response, and I wish you well.

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, if fours rivers met in Jerusalem, there would be four river beds. There aren't.

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 No, as you are the one proposing the underground river, the burden of proof is on you, not Reka.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

​ @CelticVictory OK. For Reka's benefit, I will quote the source I referenced on the program you watched so he knows it was Josephus and those of his timeframe who were proposing the idea of an underground connecting river between the Nile and the Sea of Galilee. "Josephus Flavius refers to the catfish by its Greek name of 'Korakinos', meaning Water Raven; he notes that it is found in the Nile. In his opinion, this fact supports the popular belief that there was an underground connection between the Nile and the lake, and that it emerged from below the ground at the largest spring at Tabgha." "The Sea of Galilee and Its Fishermen in the New Testament". Mendel Nun. p. 10. There is a more recent article about this underground source of water below Jerusalem in the following article. www.israel365news.com/266516/ezekiels-secret-spring-discovered-in-the-heart-of-jerusalem/ With regards to the other comments from CelticVictory, I very much appreciate the interest that is being generated and trust that it will encourage more and more to watch "The Location of the Garden of Eden" program as well as the other programs that are offered. Thank you very much.

Water doesn't flow in africa, it goes out of Africa, like the nile river it comes from the congo to Egypt.. Bcz water doesn't climb up it goes down.. What are you talking about pastor?

Jerusalem and the Levant is some of the oldest civilizations on Earth.

In the far east

Unfortunately the truth is that The garden of Eden is Southern Africa and Jerusalem is in the Kalahari desert.

It's buried by a mile of dirt their's no way to know

There are zero mountains and all animals from the Bible in that area

Two of the rivers you mentioned are incorrect you should change tigris and euphrsates to hiddekel and parat and one more significant thing i would tell is that your location of the garden of eden is a lie you cant locate it anywhere else in the world except in the philippines you better search it in the book of jubillees and book of enoch dont just guess

You can also find as many empires anywhere on the planet as he just named that were in that land. Stop the deception you all going to be cursed for the lies

Florida is MORE ancient then Egypt

Do you think God would allow The garden to be found. He closed up shop When we disobeyed him. We ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. There was no way God would allow to eat from the tree of life and live forever in Sin. Even the serpent knew this otherwise he would have zero souls in Hell. Not the plan.

Correct yourself God never gave his life his son did

Abraham was not born in Isreal he was born in IRAQ PERSIA and IRAQ were a one country they desided to part so it became PERSI and IRAQ so TRIGES is in IRAN KING CYRUS is PERSIAN so it is in IRSAN PERIOD C/S

The real Jerusalem is desolate!

MOSES was born in EGYPT not Isreal

Of all the shows I've watched trying to locate the Garden of Eden, this was the worst. His argument was so disjointed. He shaped his evidence to fit into his belief instead of truly evaluating the evidence and examining where it led.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

You are partially correct. I started with a theory or hypothesis and tested it, so I was essentially using Scientific Method. However, I didn’t have to shape the evidence to fit the hypothesis. It led there very naturally. Steps of Scientific Method Ask a question - Where was the location of the Garden of Eden? Do background Research - Read the Biblical descriptions and check on possible options offered by Biblical scholars. Construct a Hypothesis - Could the current location of Jerusalem be where the Garden of Eden was once located? Test your Hypothesis by doing an experiment - In this case, the experiment would be the data analysis. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion - *Consolidate and compare data written in the Bible about the Garden of Eden and Jerusalem, past, present and future. *The term “East” matches Jerusalem being in the Middle East. *The four rivers are located in the Middle East. *The descriptions given about the locations of the four rivers line up with the current location of Jerusalem and the land of the Middle East. *“Gihon” is a name given to a spring of water located in Jerusalem and the name of one of the rivers in Eden. *The dimensions of the New Jerusalem are the same as needed to encompass the 4 rivers as described in Rev. 21:16. *Biblical data stating that Man was first placed in the Garden of Eden, and Rabbinic commentary stating Adam was formed on Mt. Moriah. *Circumstantial Evidence - Abram, Isaac and Jacob were promised this land for the future nation of Israel - Jerusalem becoming the capital of Israel for God’s people. Jerusalem is the location of the Temple of God. The men of the nation of Israel were commanded by God to come to Jerusalem 3 times annually to worship Him there. Jerusalem is the place where God said He would place His name forever. Abraham was commanded by God to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice at this site. God’s Son gave His life in Jerusalem. God’s Son is returning to Jerusalem to rule and reign. Jerusalem is the centerpiece of Biblical prophetic history. Therefore, that location seems to be very important to God. Additional circumstantial evidence as stated in this and other programs of Berean Endeavor to support the hypothesis. *Historical data - Jerusalem is a part of the cradle of civilization and the fertile crescent. It’s importance to several civilizations is evident because it has been fought over, destroyed and rebuilt throughout human history. leads to logical conclusion, Nothing in the statement locating the land of Moriah and Jerusalem as being the location of the Garden of Eden conflicts with the Biblical account or Historical Data. Communicate Your Results That’s what I did in the Berean Endeavor program I don’t think anyone could state with 100% certainty to the location of the Garden of Eden, but in my opinion all the evidence leads to the site of the land of Moriah and no one can eliminate it as a very likely possible option. I appreciate you taking the time to watch the Berean Endeavor program and hope that the others you watch will be of benefit to you.

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 No, it did not come there very naturally. You contorted the information to such an extent that you couldn't even call it the truth anymore. Let me address some of your conclusions. First, east is a relative term. East is relative to something else. Ergo, simply having east in the name doesn't cut it. If it did, you could make the argument that the Garden of Eden was in East Germany which it most definitely was not. Obviously, the east being referenced is to the author's location but as we do not know where the author is located, we cannot conclude where the Garden is from that. Secondly, Gihon was the name of a river, not a spring. The fact that there may also be a spring named Gihon is immaterial. There was also an Albania in the Caucasus but it is unrelated to modern day Albania. Saying that they share a name and thus must be referencing the same thing is not following the scientific method. Genesis also mentions that the Gihon wound through the entire land of Cush. Cush was in Africa far from the spring of Gihon. What you are doing here is speculating which without evidence is not following the scientific method. Also, simply stating that the New Jerusalem would be big enough to house the rivers does not mean that Jerusalem was the site of the garden. The Red Sea would also be big enough to house said rivers. By your reasoning, the garden must be there. Furthermore, Genesis does not cite the size of the Garden of Eden as far as I have found. Therefore, claiming that the Garden of Eden corresponds to the size of the New Jerusalem is your assertion but it cannot be considered evidence. If you know of where in Genesis the size of the Garden is specifically stated, you should have cited it like you conveniently did for Revelations. Rabbinic commentary is not biblical evidence. Commentaries are just the opinions of others and should not be confused with divinely inspired works. The Bible does not state where Adam was created and as such cannot confirm whether "he was buried where he was created" is truly accurate or whether it was merely the opinion of that particular author. By preferring the Rabbinic commentaries, you are showing a desire to conform the "evidence" to your beliefs rather than conforming it to the Bible. Jewish folklore mentions Adam having a wife before Eve named Lilith that the Bible makes absolutely no reference to. However, if you cite Jewish folklore as "evidence", then you must conclude that Lilith was indeed Adam's first wife which I do not believe was the case. As the rabbinic commentaries in question cannot be authenticated as true, they cannot be considered as evidence under the scientific method. Regarding your circumstantial evidence, God promising the Land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants have nothing to do with the Garden of Eden. Nowhere does the Bible state that the two were connected and thus it has nothing to do with this discussion. Likewise, the Temple in Jerusalem is never stated in connection with the Garden of Eden. Pretending that it does is to distort the evidence to fit a narrative. Jerusalem being the center of importance does not mean that it correlates to being the Garden of Eden. Yes, Jerusalem is important but that does not mean that by itself it must be the Garden of Eden. Likewise, it having been conquered multiple times does not mean that it is the Garden. Damascus is also a city that has been conquered multiple times, no doubt rebuilt, and is a capital city of a modern state as well as being the capital of states in the past. It also has the distinction of being mentioned in the Bible much like Jerusalem. As I stated, your conclusion was not logical. It was convoluted and relied on assertions rather than evidence. That is not relying upon the scientific method. Furthermore, it is not enough that the information does not conflict to the Bible but it must be confirmed by it. The Bible does not confirm that Adam was created on Mt. Moriah and highlights why non-Biblical sources must do more than merely not conflict. As far as the Garden, the four ancient rivers must meet at one point in the past. The Bible never states that this point was Jerusalem which would be a very strange omission. It is hard to fathom why God would make Jerusalem the center of creation and not mention it anywhere in the Bible. It is insufficient to say that the Bible does not contradict it. The question is whether the Bible confirms it which in this case it does not. At no point in your program do you show the four rivers meeting. You failed to show the dry rivers bed which would be evidence. You mention Havilah being in Israel which the Bible doesn't state. The Bible doesn't give Havilah's location. It just states that the land was known for producing quality gold. I haven't heard of Israel ever being a gold producing country but there is plenty of gold in Africa. In East Africa, there is a gold producing region that has been famous for the quality gold it produces since antiquity. Yet, you failed to cite any evidence of gold production within your program. Israel being a site for gold production, particularly high quality, could be evidence of Havilah being in Israel. Without it, it is merely your assertion. So two of the four rivers are likely located in Africa. That places the location farther south, most likely, than you stated. There are further issues with your assertion. Where is the angel guarding the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Where is the Garden? A site where four rivers met and where there was such abundant flora would leave quite a lot of archaeological evidence behind. Where is this evidence if Jerusalem is the site of the Garden. Citing archaeological sites is evidence, citing Rabbinical texts is not. As I said, your argument was disjointed. It was a series of unrelated pieces of information connected by assertions unsupported by actual evidence.

@bereanendeavor2419

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelticVictory East can be a direction or it can be in region. "The Western World" refers to a region. "The Middle East" refers to a region. I made that point in the video but that point seems to be missing in your reply. Gihon was a river in the Genesis 2 description. That doesn't mean there cannot be a spring coming from that water source if it went underground. Josephus mentions an underground river connecting the Nile River and the Sea of Galilee which would be flowing in this Jerusalem area. The Nile flows through the land of Cush. I stated that in the video. Outside resources should never be used to replace the Bible - only used to help in understanding it. I state that in the video series. Because some statement in one rabbinical commentary makes sense from a Biblical view, it doesn't mean that all rabbinical commentary is correct, so the Lilith comment doesn't make sense. The Bible does give the general area of where Havilah was located and I gave those scriptures in the presentation. I placed it on the map east of Egypt as Gen. 25:18 and 1 Sam. 15:7 indicate and which also happens to be where the map in Dakes Bible places it. It was probably a region that covered a lot of area, and would have included the area where gold was mined in abundance, as you stated. I could have also mentioned the connection made in Ezekiel 28:13-14 with Eden the Garden of God and the holy mountain which is almost always associated with Jerusalem. There are also other outside resources that I didn't use because it is a half hour program, and they weren't all needed to build the case. My objective was to show that we can say there is a very real possibility that where Jerusalem is is where the Garden of Eden was once located, and nothing in that statement would conflict with the Biblical account. I pretty much said that in the video towards the end of the program. And if that is true, then it helps make more sense as to why Jerusalem is so central to God's plan for mankind's history. If you don't agree with the conclusion or have another site for the Garden of Eden, that is fine. I assume you have your reasons. If you don't believe there ever was a Garden of Eden, then disputing its location would make no sense. So, I appreciate the time you put into your response, and I wish you well.

@michaelmerck7576

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelticVictory I was thinking of the new Jerusalem coming from the heavens and it is supposed to be God's masterpiece where his Glory will shine forever and scripture puts that to be placed on top of mount Moriah so that makes logical sense to be where the original garden of Eden was but is to be replaced by the new city of jerasalem

@CelticVictory

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmerck7576 It really doesn't. Where is the Garden now? So God just simply destroyed it? Two of the rivers were likely in or near Africa which would lead the meeting place with the Tigris and Euphrates far further south than Jerusalem. Just because you like the idea of the Garden and Jerusalem being the same place doesn't make it true.

NOAH'S FLOOD CHANGED THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND. EVERYTHING WAS MOVED OUT OF ITS PLACE. THE GARDEN OF EDEN STARTED FROM LAND OF CUSH, THAT IS EASTERN AFRICA AND GIHON IS IN ETHIOPIA IN EASTERN AFRICA. EGYPT ALSO PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. PLEASE READ GENESIS 13:10. LIKE THE GARDEN OF THE LORD, LIKE THE LAND OF EGYPT. GEOGRAPHY OF LANDS TODAY IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE IN GENESIS 2. SOME OF THE NAMES HAVE CHANGED. GOD SENT ABRAHAMS DESCENDANTS TO EGYPT TO KNOW PART OF THE GARDEN SIMILAR TO UR OF THE CHALDEANS.

I think you should look at africa maps from 1400 to 1900, you may change your mind... And learn something new.. Probably you may end up deleting this vedeo.. Bcz I use to think like you before sir.

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

Hi Soda. I was quoting source information from a booklet that was using Josephus' idea about the underground river connection so I guess your argument is with Josephus. But I don't know what your issue is with regards to the teaching and what your position is concerning the location of the Garden of Eden so it is not possible for me to respond to you. You need to state where you think the Garden of Eden was located and include your source material to support your belief.

@lovemado

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 when it comes to delicate stories like, where was the exact location of the paradise,you are not encouraged to use your beliefs you actually have to use facts, then you will be on the right path. That why I'm sending you to look on africa map of the 14th century to 19th century, you will be amazed to see all the names of those four rivers in genesis, then probably you will be able to draw the exact location of the garden of eden.. You will later learn how names where changed suits your theory... Hope you learn something new. Please don't forget to remove this video on KZread, make you look less...

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

@@lovemado Thank you for your advice, Soda, but without you telling those who read these posts what you believe and supporting evidence for why you believe it, I will leave my video on KZread and accept the risk for however you think I might look.

@lovemado

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 see like I said before this is not a matter of where you believe it was located, you need to make sense when it comes to locations, like I can't believe tht America was once located in Europe or Asia, and construct my theory around my beliefs and try to convince people. I can do that, but it will be misleading people, while America always located in America it will never move, nor the rivers will change from visible to invisible under the grounds..do you know that when Moses wrote genesis he knew the location, and what he was talking about? Try to do more research, stop giving people what they want to hear.. A locations it not a belief matter.

@lovemado

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 the only issue that humans always have is to refuse facts but accept only what they believe in. God don't want you to believe that he exist, he want you to know that he exist, that why he puts evidence there for you to experience his presence.. Now go do research sir...

this is laughable after watching The God Culture actually prove where The Garden of Eden is.

U people will say its here ,there and all that crap. Remember when colonizers called the garden of Eden Sri Lanka 💀😂

@bereanendeavor2419

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your willingness to comment, but I would encourage you to add some thought to your post. For people to take you seriously, you need to back up your comments with substance. There is nothing here to tell me why you don't agree with the possibility of Jerusalem being where the Garden of Eden was once located.

@szoom6066

Жыл бұрын

@@bereanendeavor2419 its honestly tiring trying to teach some people. But yeah the European colonizers once claimed that Sri Pada is actually the foot print of adam from when he fell to earth. Because of that colonizers started calling it Adam's peak.

Looking for a historical location of a garden where a snake had vocal chords, all animals were vegetarian and two first created people were kicked out of directly into agriculture is in reality nonsense.

Hahahaha this is a joke😂😂😂