I hate that they revived Kraven. Such an amazing end to one of Spider-Man’s greatest foes.

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

I get what you mean, and if it were up to me I would have NEVER brought Kraven back. But, I did think that his return storyline in The Gauntlet/Grim Hunt were pretty well done (for the most part) considering we were just coming off the heels of the whole OMD debacle. Those were pretty bleak years for Spider-Man stories. But the Gauntlet provided lots of standout moments before the return of Kraven, such as Kelly's Rhino story and one off Deadpool vs. Spider-Man (for the first time) issue, Slott's Mysterio story, and the Lizard SHED storyline. Joe Kelly's Grim Hunt was a perfect capstone on the whole ordeal, showing that bringing back Kraven in a state of cursed "unlife" may have been a big mistake for his whole family. I also thought that the revived Kraven was used very effectively during his few limited appearances in Agent Venom and Scarlet Spider. He's been used so sparingly, that he's kinda graduated to upper B-List tier, just bellow Venom, Doc Ock and Osborn. I hope they can keep him at that level as an effective threat in the future, otherwise all that good writing would have been for nothing and....oh who am I kidding.

@CruderQuotient1

5 жыл бұрын

dbzfan1121 I’ll have to check those out. The only time I’ve seen him recently was a few issues of Squirrel girl where he’s treated like a complete joke. Hopefully a good artist comes up with a stellar pitch for the hunter

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

None of those books measure up to Kraven's Last Hunt, but I'd say those are all pretty good recent Spider-Man stories that I mentioned. I highly recommend Joe Kelly's Two Rhino issues, and the entirety of Agent Venom and Scarlet Spider (2012). As for Squirrel Girl, I just figured that it was a comedy book, with no repercussions or effects on the greater marvel canon outside of it's own plotlines. Kinda like how Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen's Nextwave or Howard The Duck had it's way with the entire obscure Marvel Universe and no other writer mentioned anything that happened in those book outside of it. Read em if you enjoy em, ignore em if you don't. No harm, no foul. =)

@canijustplease

5 жыл бұрын

dbzfan1121 mysterio should have stayed dead when Kevin Smith killed him off in Daredevil

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

@@canijustplease conpletley agree. In a small bit of marvel weird trivia, there was a series of really fun Spider-man novels, that introduced many concepts that would inspire later Marvel stories. Such as Morlun having a family, Peter Parker having a long lost sister, and the character of The Gentleman (Gustav Fiers), who would be used as that "shadowy dude at the end of the Amazing Spider-Man films". The writer of the sinister six trillogy was using Mysterio on his roster and during the last book, Mysterio fails to complete his part of the plan. Not because of Spidey beating him up, but because he is in such pain from his cancer that he collapses on the street and has to ask a random civilian to call an ambulance for him. Reading it as a teen, it through me for a loop, seeing a villain taken out by a disease and not by the hero. It also made his reasons for going after Daredevil so much more clearer in the end. Afterwards, Peter David brings him back from hell with a giant fucking gunshot wound in his face during Civil War, more recent Spidey issues say that the whole thing was all a trick and he's been alive all this time (Kingsley style) while not outright denying the demonic connection, Joe Kelly brings back the idea that Mysterio actually died by using him as a demon pawn in Mephisto's campaign against Spidey in Spider-Man/Deadpool, Peter David and Nick Spencer continue this trend in the recent Scarlet Spider and Amazing Spider-Man series, showing that there is more to Quinton Beck's "ressurection" than first thought. Basically, since Mysterios actual death happened in Daredevil instead of a Spidey book, many writers either ignored it by accident, tried to work around it, forgot about it, or just brought him back because with Mysterio "nothing is as it seems" and they like keeping the readers guessing. Mysterio's death has kinda become the weirdest storyline oversight at Marvel and I kinda love it because that kinda thing really works with his character.

Interesting that Kraven had a taxidermied Elephant in his trophy room, one of the most difficult animals to preserve.

@crimsondynamo615

2 жыл бұрын

Shows you he isn’t called the Hunter for nothing. He knows his prey through and through.

@tacticallyaquiredhat1939

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, if someone is gonna go to through a ton of effort to preserve an elephant head and show that they killed one, it'd be Kraven

@danielherrin

2 жыл бұрын

@@tacticallyaquiredhat1939 I thought everyone had an elephant

The suicide is incredibly important to the overall message of the story. Kraven becomes a better Spider but does nothing towards maintaining the Man so his life is empty and sad, full of violence and death so his own death comes by his own hand. The Spider is lethal and solitary like Kraven and even trapping Vermin in a cage shows that Kraven is allowing the Spider to be in control. Peter has Mary Jane and many others in his life to keep him from allowing the Spider to be in control. This is shown at a lot of different points in Peter's life where he loses someone or ends up alone. When he thought himself to be a clone he got more violent in his depression. It is actually a constant battle for Peter to maintain control which is why the symbiote made for an interesting storyline. The hyphen is important to Spider-Man's identity because it is a dual identity much more than Batman or Superman and most of the best stories, including kraven's last hunt, explore that aspect of him. The Man takes care of others and therefore has others in his life to take care of him. The Spider deals violence and death to its prey which even includes it's own kind, spiders and rats are both pests, so it is alone which is not a way that a Man can survive.

@amcc666

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

Thank you, Sir. I am in my mid 50's and bought this comic when it first came out. To me the Last Hunt will always be one of the top graphic tales ever told. I totally put it up there with Watchmen and Miller's Dark Knight story. Its adult theme still resonates even today. The story of a man devoured by his own obsession that in the end destroys him. His existence was always defined by proving himself better then the hero he hunted. Once defeating the hero he needed to prove that he was greater then the hero by taking up the mantel of Spider-man. In doing so it put him on the final track of his last days. He was consumed and plagued by obsession that in the end he came to realize his existence was now meaningless. He had accomplished his goal of "killing" his adversary and proving he was the better Spider-man that life carried no further worth for living. He had been the apex of the hunter and devoured his prey in order to become it and prove he was its better. There is such a sadness to this story and it deeply affected me when I first read it. When I was growing up comics had a stigma of being just for children. This tale along with others at the time proved otherwise. They are an idolized reflection of our dream of that greater society, which we want so much for our world to live up too. And they are also a glimpse of our darkest desires and nightmare which we try so hard to hide...behind a mask. Kudos for bringing your thoughts to this amazing tale. Lore

@rondajones7526

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, I loved your comment. That is very well put.

@PrimeDiam

2 жыл бұрын

Well put!

@Ron72981

2 жыл бұрын

Okay boomer

@lorec9795

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ron72981 I'm not a boomer lol. But considering how dumb trolls are these days I'm not surprise of your snide remark. Good luck with being stupid though. I'm sure you make your parents proud lol. I bet they never want you to ever leave their basement. Who else would keep the other worthless rats company.

@Ron72981

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorec9795 I love you man, I'm sorry for being a dweeb

This series cemented Spiderman as one of the top three comic characters of all time, and Kraven as one of greatest lost souls of a villain. If not for his obsession, his honor could have been used for good.

best comics channel ever

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

I know right. He presents well thought out and well researched videos, that take a mostly neutral, apolitical stance on the subject at hand, and come from a place of actually loving the medium and history of comic books. None of this stupid trend of "outrage politics" bullshit that youtube scam artists use to piss off their left and right wing buffoon viewers, in order to scam more money from them by telling them to be angry at what the other side is doing. Just comics, and why they are awesome. It's honestly really refreshing and I hope it stays that way.

@michaelcurtis3762

5 жыл бұрын

Agree... and I'm a hardass, German critic. It takes a ton to make me gush.

@damonl9981

5 жыл бұрын

And just a great content channel over all. I'm always looking forward to it being next week, and the only comic I've ever read was DE RODE RIDDER.

@tartanphantom

5 жыл бұрын

This is EXACTLY why I love this channel. dbzfan1121--Your statement hits the nail on the head, and I agree 100%! Chris does his research, his presentations are enjoyable, and he makes it all about the COMICS... not about him or some goofy "agenda".

@nunyabizness3866

5 жыл бұрын

Well I lie Ethan van sciver and Diversity and comics myself but this guy is ok.

Such a dark intro but hilarious for the same reason XD! Loved seeing my fan art at the end. Keep up the awesome work!

@coalhalo

5 жыл бұрын

Philip Sasko I really liked the depiction you submitted. Hopefully we will get the chance to see more of your art in the future.

@masquerade1015

5 жыл бұрын

Ql

Dude, I’m 47 years old and I love comics. This entire review were literally my words in my head. I agree with everything you said including how this book got me into monthly books permanently. Great job my man! May your next meal be delicious.

Sad, but great story indeed. It made Kraven the Hunter more human and relatable with his unaddressed mental issue.

Dude you're such a goofball...Oh HAII You caught me mourning a loved one!..Best segue ever!

@b50262

3 жыл бұрын

That was funny yo

One thing about this story that I never could buy. Spider-Man digs himself out of his grave after two weeks, goes straight to Mary Jane, and they immediately make love. Now I can buy radioactive spiders giving you superpowers, I can buy vigilantes in tights and cosmic beings shaping the universe, but there is NO WAY a woman is going to let a man touch her when he's been stewing in his own stink for two weeks. Not to mention after that amount of time her emotions would be so worked up, all of that frustration would be directed right at Peter. She'd yell, she'd scream, she may even slap him across the face. Eventually she would break down crying, falling into Peter's arms as the last of her pent up emotions work themselves out. She's not mad at Peter. She'd simply have no other outlet for the worry and frustration she felt over that time. It would be perfectly understandable for her to be that way. After years of coming to accept Peter as Spider-Man and finally deciding to spend the rest of her life with him, the first thing that happens is her believing him to be dead. It's a minor thing in an otherwise great story, but I think a mark was missed by not having Mary Jane's reaction to Peter coming home be more realistic.

this was in my library, when I was younger I read it thinking "oh cool spiderman" and then got so a ad and cried myself to sleep

I struggle with depression, i am suicidal and ive survived a few attempts. I still do therapy, im on medication for life. And i am usually numb and joyless. I have a lot to live for all things considered an amazing spouse, kids, etc. But suicidal thoughts still creep into my thoughts. It's just a symptom, kraven's death is pretty parallel to my struggles. Manic energy, feelings of emptyness and well that last part. :/ its a bit like my BPD in that sense the story is amazingly well written and it's a story that should be told. However when suicides are shown in media it can actually make suicidal ideation worse. It now gives those intrusive thoughts more of a voice more of a purpose and it starts looking like a plan. That said i read the story as a kid, and it was one of the reasons that i went and got help. Since it made a point to show that depression if left untreated can end you. And im here, im alive. RIP kraven.

@Mike-xh2vm

4 жыл бұрын

There is always Joy in being alive, Life has hit me so hard that I wanted to die but never wanted to end my life, maybe I was to cowardly for that, but I realized That just the fact of being alive is a bliss.

ComicTropes video on DeMatteis' Justice League International run?! I say *YES PLEASE!* I loved Kraven's Last Hunt as a little kid, over here we had the Marvel UK reprints and hardback annuals, the floppy comics were really flimsy and crappily printed but we got that stuff weekly...Secret Wars was my first ever Marvel comic (I collected the toys assiduously, too!) but Kraven's Last Hunt was my most beloved. Never really knew why I dropped Marvel for Batman, DC and Nexus...maybe it was puberty lmao...great video as per usual Chris!

@lsgreger2645

5 жыл бұрын

In his last livestream, he said a JLI ComicTropes was in the works. There was a Patreon request for it.

@JoeJoe-lq6bd

5 жыл бұрын

We should be clear that Keith Giffen was just as important for that run. Giffen is one of the most underrated creators in comics. And though the artists changed, Kevin Maguire's work in the early issues was absolutely integral to the success of the book.

@vollsticks

5 жыл бұрын

Well, obviously. Although I went off Giffen a bit when he egregiously ripped off Jose Munoz's art style.

@lsgreger2645

5 жыл бұрын

I just read Volume 1 of Justice League/JLI and Giffen in the forward admits he was a little green in the writing department and he asked for someone to help on dialog. They gave him JM Dematteis and they both wanted it to be more serious, but it kinda worked out more as humorous tone because of they were only allowed to use little known or underused characters (except for Batman).

@vollsticks

5 жыл бұрын

It's a great run, one of the most purely entertaining arcs in mainstream comics I've ever read. I still have most of the floppies but it'd be nice to get a decent collected edition of the DeMatteis/Giffen/Templeton et al run. Is it still in print or will I be paying silly money for a copy?

Nitpicky correction: Zeck wasn't the first guy to draw the black suit - that was Ron Frenz in ASM #252. I think the chronology of Secret Wars has a way of tricking our memories.

This is still one of my favourite books of all time! I remember first reading it as a kid in the ‘80’s and it blew my mind. It even gave me nightmares. I was like 8 years old. That story always stayed with me so I would always revisit it and as I got older, I started appreciating and then loving it. It’s just brilliant. Haunting. Disturbing and a love story so well done. MJ’s anxiety about Peter being missing and possibly hurt or dead. Peter’s will power to not give up and get home to MJ. Just brilliant. And yes those covers were all home runs. The Web of Spider-Man cover with the Black suited Spidey rising from his grave is one of the greatest ever.

8:51 - It was Black Cat who re-created the black suit because she thought it was 'hot' or something…

Awesome vid, Chris! I never read Kraven's Last Hunt before, but it looks like a great story. I'd heard of this story arc, but didn't know it involved Kraven's suicide. That is an incredibly gutsy way to end one of Spider-Man's most underrated villians. Too bad they couldn't leave well enough alone. Death and resurrection seems to be a recurring trend...or trope...in comics which kind of lost any kind of meaningful impact over the years. Love the art. I've been a Zeck fan since his run on Captain America and Secret Wars. Thanks for posting this!

Kraven's last hunt was one of the best Spider Man stories, even arguably one of the best Comic stories! Nice video tribute to it!

Well done, Chris! I was an avid Spider-man fan and collector and began collecting every issue beginning with #121 when Gwen was killed when I was 10. I eventually had a complete set from #1 to about #310 but lost interest in collecting when I was in college and eventually got married so I remember the Kraven story being on the racks but I wasn't buying books at that time and never read the story. I now follow comics "at a distance" through videos and sources such as yours and I really enjoy and appreciate your summation of this arc that I've long been aware of but never actually read. Thanks for all you do!

@prufan

2 жыл бұрын

you can always buy the graphic novel of Kravens Last Hunt, if you are a fan

@yowatchie

9 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t you have had issues of Kraven’s Last Hunt if you had a set from 1 to 310?

@bobtremblay9172

9 ай бұрын

I was in college at that point and pretty much buying my comics at that time out of habit to keep my collection up. I really didn't read them much. I recall the Zeck art but didn't really pay any attention to the story. Eventually just sold the whole collection in bulk when I got married.@@yowatchie

(Intro: Chris teaching into a bag and eating a handful of spiders) Chris: OH HIII! You just caught me eating a handful of spiders! Speaking of eating spiders...

I love this video and it's made me a subscriber, but I feel in the plot summary, there's one thing you fail to mention that makes the last entry of the story so great. The entire time that Peter Parker's in the sewers, he's constantly fighting back against the primal sensations of fear and terror, still trying to recover from his time in the grave, at points hoping that he doesn't run into Vermin and resisting the urge to run away. When the does run into Vermin, he's absolutely terrified, to the point where he even struggles to make his characteristic sarcastic quips. This is Peter at his "Knightfall" moment. But he doesn't give in, because in true Spider-Man fashion, he knows he has a responsibility to both Vermin and the people of New York to stop him. Vermin once again starts getting the upper hand, even forcing Parker to flee for his life. But he stops, confronts Vermin again, has him down for the count, and even contemplates killing him then and there, almost giving in to the Spider. But instead, as you mention, he brings Vermin topside, ties him up in webbing, and notes that this isn't really Vermin's fault, as his transformation at the hands of Baron Zemo wasn't a willing one, and instead of having him taken to jail, he hands him over to Reed Richards to try and find a cure for his condition. All this is important, because it not only shows that Peter Parker is as good if not better at being the Spider than Kraven is, more importantly, he's also the better Man, as he can find the happiness and satisfaction in his life through love and compassion that Kraven can only get fleeting feelings of before his end, whose notions of love and responsibility are clearly warped from his traumatic past. And I think that this is an exemplary depiction that shows what the core of Spider-Man's character really is; a good person whose love, compassion and sense of responsibility are what make him a great superhero.

The fan art this week is top notch!! I really love the strip from Tardis Rider.

@jessemersier1825

5 жыл бұрын

A very underused character, who like even among the living, failed to receive the accolades he deserved in life, and garners critical acclaim after death. Dam shame. And he was definitely an arch enemy of spiderman and completely underscores the fact that you don't need Tood McFarland or Jim Lee to get a great STORY across.

Your channel is a treasure trove. I really enjoy the "behind the pages" commentary because it makes me appreciate the comic a lot more. Your analysis is great and insightful as well; I never caught on the degree to which the creators emphasized what made Spiderman spiderman. Please keep posting, these videos are excellent!

I haven't read comics since 1995. Your show has got me interested in them again. Thanks!

Good stuff, thank you for creating this video on the Kraven's Last Hunt storyline - it's one of my personal favorites as well. It really raised my appreciation for Kraven, and how characters like him could be well-written and handled in a darker, more challenging story.

It's been 3 years since I last watched this one...thank you, Chris, I needed the laughter your opening elicited. You are wonderful.

I've never really cared to read anything superhero related, let alone Spider-Man. I think you've convinced me with this video that this may just be the first Spider-Man story I need to read. I've had a real coming to Ge-Bus moment here, I feel as if I should look into a few other superhero related stories I've been ghosting. So I'm sorry, but I mustn't complete this video just yet, I'll return once I've read. No troll, thank you. That being said... That is my grandmama's limestone cameoing at the top and I know you're not try'na feature her pro bono, bro!

@goodgamesir1750

5 жыл бұрын

I would also go with SPIDER-MAN:BLUE, ALL STAR SUPERMAN, X-MEN:God Loves, Man Kills, DC Comics KINGDOM COME

@pigeonboy7696

5 жыл бұрын

You’ve gotta read Grant Morrison. His Batman Run, All Star Superman, Animal Man, Invisibles, Doom Patrol, and JLA are incredible. Another great run is Neil Gaiman’s Sandman.

@petersmith9254

5 жыл бұрын

Jasper Nut Meg do u enjoy. Superheroes movies

IMHO, DeMateis was the last great spider-man writer. He had those great ultra-dark arcs and then he would do a great comical story. Even his clone wars saga issues (I think it was Spectacular Spider-man) were a breath of fresh air.

@originalblob

5 жыл бұрын

He was and still is wonderful. He cared more about the persons behind the mask than about costumes and gimmicks. For me J. M. DeMatteis and Peter David were the soul of 90s Marvel Comics.

I’ve been watching several of these videos over the past few months and felt no need to comment until this one, such a great walk down memory way making me want to revisit this run. So impactful and well crafted.

Thanks a ton for your videos. Comics Tropes is one of the most outstanding, and without spreading it too thick, riveting channels. Entertaining and informative... thanks, sir!!! You are doing great things... please, keep them coming.

5:52 Until you laid out all 6 covers like that, I somehow had never noticed the parallelism of the covers before, where parts 1 and 4 feature Spider-Man (falling and rising respectively), parts 2 and 5 feature Kraven, and parts 3 and 6 feature Vermin.

still one of my favs, chris. truly a masterpiece of comic tropes

Another great vid Chris, really enjoyed the deep dive into this classic story. A JLI episode and a Mike Zeck episode both sound like great ideas! Love the series, appreciate all your hard work, keep it up!

0:47 Um, Kraven did appear in Amazing Spider-Man #15, so I'd say he's right up there with the Green Goblin or Doc Ock as far as Spider-man's 'rogues gallery' goes.

@Substitute_Zero

4 жыл бұрын

CrashLanden Old enemy does not equate to arch enemy

Probably one of the best Spider-man stories ever told. Top notch story, I'm very happy to see you cover it.

I found this channel a few months ago and have popped back as I got into your style, but this is where you set the hook, Chris! Officially a subscriber and fan! Keep up the great work! And complete agreement, this is an arc that was just amazing on all fronts!

This channel is amazing! Keep up the good work Chris!

This was an incredibly well done video! Thanks for the great content.

Nice review. What you said about Spider-Man's villains is the key reason to why they are so memorable. They completely mirror Peter Parker as a person. When each villain was introduced (as their own story and not as an excuse for an adventure or action) they shared or was some metaphor of a flaw that Peter Parker had. And Spider-Man [the persona] was the answer for it. The thing that made Spider-Man so lovable and relatable wasn't quipping or comedy (or any of that trash the current writers spew out); it was that Spider-Man represented doing good within your power-- that doing good was the path of being a morally good person. Peter Parker [and more exaggerated extent his villains] all have the major flaw of excuse for powerlessness. For Pete [before the bite] it was him being a self-absorbed asshat ( he was and he still is, that is why I really loved it, when they made him racist-- against Mutants--in the 90's), but the power of the Spider-Man persona forces him to drop the excuse and do good. This is Peter's Delima: Standing up for himself and taking responsibility. His villains do not take responsibility of morality and use excuse after excuse to justify their deeds. Deeds that Spider-Man deters forcing Pete to constantly see what he can become if he throws away responsibility. Literary his villains are just as emotionally weak as Peter's old self. Every Spider-Man villain at their core is a very sad story of lacking moral responsibility.

Same experience for me with Kraven's Last Hunt pulling me right into comics. To this day one of my favorite if not THE favorite story line in comics.

Thanks for this man, I definitely need to check this storyline out! God bless you!

i got to meet mike zeck at a comic con once, it was kinda a happy accident because i didn’t know he was supposed to be there and i lived close by and was able to go get my secret wars #8 book for him to sign (i also bought a stack of artwork), and we talked for easily 30 minutes i don’t know why many people weren’t coming to see him, he’s a great guy and we talked art techniques and what not.

@caligulapontifex5759

5 жыл бұрын

Same here. I met Mike Zeck a few years ago at a local comic con. He was very approachable and super nice to talk with. Unfortunately, very few people were lining up to see him. I was disappointed with the fans to be honest, as Zeck is one of the giants and his talent is way better then most artists in the industry today. Just my humble opinion.

@cbrock5529

5 жыл бұрын

Caligula Pontifex yeah i definitely hold a high opinion of mike, especially since at the same con neal adams (still one of my favorite artists but just for artwork now) was kind of a douche to me.

This is one of the more powerful storylines I remember growing up. You reminded me why I loved comic books at the time, thanks for the memories.

Before I watch this video I would like to say how excited the title got me. I just got an English degree and I got 4 credits from taking a directed studies on the superhero genre with a professor that had managed to get some classes on comics approved. My final project was a huge essay on Spider-Man, Wolverine, Superman, and Batman. The Spider-Man section had a part all about the spider and the man where I referenced the hell out of kraven's last hunt. So yeah, I have studied and written on this story in university. Got an A+ too

I love kraven last hunt it’s so awesome and a great love story to Peter Parker and Mary Jane

@TevyaSmolka

4 жыл бұрын

@Melissa Harris same here i wish one more day never happened either.

The best Comic intro I have ever seen haha Love your work.

Once again, great job Chris!

Hey Chris, just wanted to say that I really enjoy your show, you craft a very insightful, yet very entertaining show! I love your knowledge and historical perspective on comics that makes your show so enriching for comics fans!

I read this story recently in the the Epic Collection. And Holy Cow, does it hold up. I knew pretty much all the plot points, ideas, and twists, but that didn't stop me from being completely captivated while reading. I do not blame people for believing that it's the objectively best Spider-man story.

I found your channel on randomly searching after a reread of Kraven's Last Hunt (excellent analysis of the hope/darkness of the story), and I really appreciate your variety: in depth historical analysis of comics history (including being honest about the inequalities that are slowly being broken down), the hilarious Golden Age characters, and your general love of multiple genres of the medium.

Possibly my favorite Spider-man story as well. Great video. Keep up the good work. I recently discovered your channel and I'm really enjoying it.

Secret Wars #7, 8, 9 were literally the very first comics I ever bought for myself. They were in a 3 pack in a toy store and for whatever reason I didn't get the remaining issues when I saw them on the rack as they were released. I was ten and wouldn't start collecting comics for another 3 years. It was also the time when I was starting to draw people, so Mike Zeck was the very first artist to influence my art. Years later I would go on to worship at the alters of Jim Lee and Alan Davis, heh, but there will always be a special place in my heart for Mr. Zeck, and I look forward to that video.

Kraven : "I need to prove myself better than Spider-Man, to show that I am the alpha" Me: wouldn't it suck if he found out the Hulk was roaming around out there? Throwing people into space and smashing gods. If Spider-Man can make Kraven feel that insecure well Hulk or Thor would ruin him probably without even having to do anything.

@iflyte

5 жыл бұрын

And then through the sheer power of plot induced stupidity, he somehow fucking beats the hell out of the hulk, just completely high off his own alpha farts.

@macoy3943

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but to Kraven Spidey is the perfect hybrid of man and beast and so finally Kraven can fight the strength of a beast with the mind of a man

@Xehanort10

4 жыл бұрын

Kraven would have killed himself quicker if he'd known about Hulk.

Congratulations on hitting 20k!

Absolutely phenomenal video 🙏🏼💪🏼

Vermin scared me as a kid.

@sunilkumaryadav2183

4 жыл бұрын

For me I feel sad for vermin

Another great review. Excellent work. I really enjoyed reading this as a teen, hearing it discussed again is fantastic.

I haven't watched your videos in a while, but this video reminded me why I subscribed

I wish they would do an animated movie of this storyline.

Solid analysis. Great work.

I remember reading this story line when it was first published. I read it as a teenager and it is still one of my favorite Spiderman stories. You summed it up very well. Also loved Miller/ Mazzuchellie Batman year one around the same time. Great stories.

Your channel is amazing. you deserve many many MANY more views. I think we grew up on the same comics at the same time and I appreciate your take on these stories. I would love you to eventually do a video on the mutant massacre of the 80's. Keep up the amazing work. thanks!

Another great comic video! Congrats on all the subs

Yeah, I think this is my favourite Spidey story too. I think it is Spideys Killing Joke. The artwork is superb. The one panel of Spidey in the sewer, hiding in the shadow with only his eyes and spder visible blew me away.

Can you please do an episode on the Sandman books,please?

Hey man, been following this channel awhile and i am a huge fan. Keep up the good work :)

Thank you for making this video!!! I remember having same experience. Every month I needed this book!! To see what would happen.

This was a treat! I vividly remember buying that first part in Web of Spider Man and the dissappointment when buying the next issue containing chapter 4 - I didn't have access the other two titles so I was expecting chapter two... I managed to get those four other chapters eventually, and Kraven's Last Hunt has been a favorite ever since. I don't read much super hero comics anymore, but this trade sits proudly on my shelf to this day.

Chris, I started collecting Spider-Man with that same story. The art caught my eye. Thanks for another great video.

Just got my collected paperback of Kraven's Last Hunt in the mail, ordered because of this episode. Love your channel!

Another amazing, spectacular, sensational video :-)

Very enjoyable episode...great presentation of a Spidey story I was unfamiliar with and one I look forward to reading when I can track down a copy of it.

In the last picture, you were depicted as Sgt. Rock. And I think it was perfect!!!!

I love that you have Oriental Heroes in the background! One of my guilty pleasures growing up! Subscribed!

This is the best channel about comics!

I started collecting Amazing Spider-Man only a few issues after the Last Hunt run. I was about 10 years old and I still remember reading the Letters to the Editor regarding peoples reactions to the ending of the Last Hunt. It was my first experience of comics being deeply emotionally resonant and gave me a glimpse of the potential depth and power of the medium at an early age.

Hi Chris, KLH is a favorite of mine. It says a lot about your channel that I sat through and thoroughly enjoyed your recap of a story I have read literally dozens of times, so kudos. One aspect of KLH that I encourage everyone to think about is that this is a story about CLASS. Consider: Kraven represents the upper class. He identifies with the aristocracy. He is aging and fears the proles, especially as personified by Spiderman (the quintessential working-class superhero). Kraven is especially terrified of the potential for the proles to organize, as symbolized by the giant spider made up of many small spiders. Spiderman represents the middle class, while Vermin obviously represents the underclass. Kraven terrorizes Vermin, but convinces him that Spiderman is his enemy. Kraven kills himself not just because he 'proved himself to be the better Spiderman,' but because he turned the underclass against the middle, thus protecting himself and his aristocratic class from any meaningful class revolution. Having succeeded in this, he ragequits.

This was the only Spider-Man story I'd ever read. Like you, it kind of got me into comics.

Excellent video, sir. I’m fairly certain I agree that this is the best long form story told within the pages of a Spidey comic.

Chris... Mr. Tropes?... Chris, I only recently found your channel, and while we will have to agree to disagree about Dan Slott's run, this long term comic fan has been enjoying going back and watching. This however... was something above and beyond. I too read this as a teenager (but since I was born in the 80s, I knew the ending) around the same time I read Daredevil: Born Again. Both of which I have always thought, while highly praised, have not gotten the attention they deserve as the step up for the comic medium they were. Both are great, both hold up, but Kraven's last Hunt was my favorite of the two. Dematteis being chief among the reasons. Like the literature you say it is, there are multiple interpretations. I like your view on Kraven's view of Spider-Man, being only a proficient fighter. I personally felt that Kraven viewed him almost as a wraith, or animal, that there was no man under the mask. The one critique I have (not complaint, I want to stress that), I wish you would have talked about the Peter-MJ relationship. I believe it to be the heart of the story. Also, being the the first monthly story after the marriage, it solidified it in many people's minds. I also disagree about Pete not getting enough light, his journey is what I found most compelling at times, but that is a matter of opinion. I also like that it set off a series of more thriller like stories (Death of Harry Osborn, first Venom, Hell, Demateis actually said when he wrote spider-man full time he tried to steer it that way). I hope you will one day do a Tropes on Dematteis, he has plenty; philosophical leanings, compassion and fleshing out of villains, highlighting the everyday, neuroses etc.. I would recommend Spec. Spider-Man #200 I often communicate with Dematteis via his website. He is usually happy to talk to fans and very welcoming. I would recommend that you share your thoughts on his work with him, he genuinely enjoys conversing with fans. He also usually responds (though this summer they have been a bit delayed). Again, an excellent and thoughtful video. Thank you for the time and effort you put into it, that is very much appreciated. From Detroit.. take care.

this is such a great story ! i think thats why more and more people who never read comics . always ask about it . is it as good as comic readers say it is .... yes its insanely good ..read it . buy it.. own it . such an awesome tale .

Thank you! Bought it...after hearing you talk about it for a couple of seconds! Eager o read it!

My first time clicking on one of your videos, and I'm greeted by what seems like a Yacht Rock homage. Probably a new record for how quickly I hit that subscribe button.

Another great epi!

Lovely video. I LOVED Kraven's Last Hunt in Imsomniac's Spider-Man 2, and it's amazing finding out about the differences and similarities between the game and the comics. I love the two of them for similar but different reasons!!!

"We didn't have any of that" (Resurrections) I always challenge this when I hear it. Before I go on allow me to first say thank you for your wonderful videos. Now… I have been reading comics since the sixties, and I believe “resurrection” was not uncommon in the comics, though it was most often the villains who’d “come back.” But sometimes it was also the heroes who some how came back. (Or never really left.) I remember in the early late 70’s / 80’s I was part of a group who played a game called “Villains & Vigilantes,” (first published 1979,) which contained “Rule 3.1” which we often joked about. It basically said, if a character dies, after the game he could come back if you could find any sort of explanation. So even then it was already a thing. (I proudly note that from that group, two went on to work at Marvel Comics, one worked at ILM, as does his son now, and one even became Johnny Cash! (Oh… and “The Last Starfighter” too.) Again thank you, and please keep up the awesome observations.

0:07 thanks for throwing me into a laughing fit, much appreciated

I feel you man, first Graphic novel I ever bought was Kraven's Last Hunt 10 years later, I have TASM 200-360 and hundreds of random comics littering my room. This was so amazing of a story.

I love the intro but thank you so much. I just ordered this online thanks to this vid.

Please do Dematteis and Zeck's run on Captain America. The reveal when Zemo pulls his mask off is intense.

My favorite Spiderman story arc.

Literally just finished reading this run last night. What a dark, complex psychological tale. Took turns I never expected it to. I was never much of a Spider-Man reader, but I was very impressed with this run. It's funny to see a video about it pop up in my feed today!

Love this story. What made it better no internet back than you had to wait till next month or issue to see what happen. Great video on this spider story.

I've noticed that when Chris talks about good comics, he puts up panels from good comics as a background, same with bad panels for bad comics. This episode appears to be an exception.

I remember buying this series at a jewels grocery store, Mike's art was stunning and would love to see him do a vermin story in Spiderman. One of the best stories written not too long or short but, just right. Great video keep it up.

This is one of my favorite storylines ever

another great explanation video! thank you, thumbs up!

Dude, this is a very good analysis of the storyline. I've always thought of making an analysis myself of it for my monthly column in Spider-Man Crawlspace - www.spidermancrawlspace.com/category/weblines/ -, but after watching this video, I'll just keep the idea in my pocket until I can offer a different perspective out of it. It's guys like you who I'd like to be friends with, in order to talk and discuss all things Spider-Man and many more about comics. Your channel rocks. Cheers!

It's my favorite Spider Man story too. I've been lucky enough to say that to the writer, J.M. DeMatteis.