This war was not based, but based on a lie.

@rimaclesevelc1027

10 ай бұрын

"This is America, whoop don't catch you trippin up" Or we'll we start a war.

@anarcho-savagery2097

10 ай бұрын

This comment is BASED

@unoriginalclips9923

10 ай бұрын

Every war is based on lies and corruption lol

@lorenzoblum868

10 ай бұрын

The first casualty of war is truth ~ Hiram Johnson? Edit : including cold war I reckon. Does that explain the “make believe“ and fake world we live in? Knowledge is power ~ Francis Bacon?

@Issthi

10 ай бұрын

poetic

I still feel horrible for the post war Vietnam vets that were treated like shit by Americans at home.

@samekh82

10 ай бұрын

Never happened.

@l00tur

10 ай бұрын

Oh boy, just wait until you find out how “well” they were treated being forced to fight someone else’s war.

@alexabood2516

10 ай бұрын

Oh you mean the small anti war protest movement that was ultimately ignored during the war and then also blamed for the defeat after the war? Newsflash, the media hyped that up, it was never that large a percentage of the population

@Eldritch_O66

10 ай бұрын

​@@samekh82 Bait.

@Blaqjaqshellaq

10 ай бұрын

Most antiwar dissidents felt nothing but sympathy for the GIs obliged to fight this futile war: indeed, many were motivated by the desire to bring them home as soon as possible, while they were still in one piece. Alas, the politicians at the top of the pyramid hid behind the same GIs they'd put in harm's way! ("If you're against us, you're against THEM!") This would happen again in future wars...

Me: I promise I won't get all political. 3 Drinks Later:

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

lol I can relate to this comment

@MM-vs2et

9 ай бұрын

If this is political, then I don't want to be apolitical

@dohanddonuts5716

7 ай бұрын

That's my Uncle in a nutshell.

@JS-ol4dx

6 күн бұрын

If you wanna get real political you should bring up Lyndon Johnson and the CIA being behind JFKs assassination.

My mom's boyfriends, best friend, Danny was messed up from the war. He constantly had a droop in his face, the sorrow and guilt from all the people he had to kill, watching children getting shot in the face in front of their parents to get them to talk. He didn't shoot any children, but he was there when they were trying to extract information. He finally gave up and committed suicide in 1998. There are thousands just like him living with that everyday.

@itzamia

2 ай бұрын

@Asdfgfdmn This is a side story that has to do with the subject you just watched there, Einstein.

Me thinking it was gonna be about the ‘weapons of mass destruction’:

@cjhenderson690

10 ай бұрын

The most recent lie. I guess the Gulf of Tonkin is the original lie. But I suppose you could say the USS Maine and the Spanish-American War came before. Maybe the US likes lying just to start pointless wars.

@Bombadil-ez9ns

10 ай бұрын

It could just as easily have been about a bunch of American soldiers riding around in disputed territory in what is now southwest Texas. Or about a massive explosion on the USS Maine in Havana harbor that was most likely an accident.

@AB-dx1co

10 ай бұрын

No its about oil

@kilowhiskey7973

10 ай бұрын

Aluminum tubes. Attempted assassinations on former U.S. presidents. Yellowcake uranium. Previous experiments with nuclear, chemical, and biological agents. Skirmishes with U.S. security jets. Secret bunkers and military buildups that went against the 1991 peace deal. SCUD missiles that have the ability to carry nuclear payloads. Iraq ACTUALLY using WMD’s a decade and a half prior. Weaponizing his people and his peoples religion. Swearing to wipe Israel off of the map. Swearing to wipe Iran off of the map. Typical authoritarian secrecy. Hindsight is always 20/20. They didn’t have WMD’s, or at least not the ones you care about. Looking back on it, invasion probably wasn’t the answer. But at the time and given the context, it was the right answer.

@kilowhiskey7973

10 ай бұрын

@@Bombadil-ez9ns you don’t get it, do you? The USS Maine was blown out of proportion by independent news media with their own spins to the story. The people grew outraged and demanded action against the Spanish. You want democracy? That’s democracy for ya, bud. “Democracy is for the people… by the people… but the people… are stupid” Regardless it doesn’t matter. The Monroe doctrine was already in affect. The U.S. didn’t want European governments involvement in the Americas. Citing the doctrine alone was more than enough justification to go to war with Spain without pinning any blame on the ship explosion.

Lying about the second attack sounds like something LBJ would of done.

@anotheryoutuber2819

10 ай бұрын

Hello, president Carter.

@wc6046

10 ай бұрын

What does LeBron have to do with this?

@mossman3636

10 ай бұрын

😆😆

@clonecommandermike332

10 ай бұрын

I knew LeBron was a flopper, but starting a war? That's on another level.

@davidtrottier7066

10 ай бұрын

I dont know enough about the situation but is it possible that it was the fault of military intelligence rather then LBJ itself?

I was like “which of the many ‘military operations’ based on lies is he going to talk about?” You’ve got the Spanish American war, the Vietnam war, the Iraq War…off the top of my head.

@nicholasmackoul1222

10 ай бұрын

Oh and the Mexican American war

@shaanalam3872

10 ай бұрын

Don’t forget the coups and countless rigged elections

@mujahudin

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if every war this country has been in is based on lies to some extent 💯

@rbxless

10 ай бұрын

History is written by the victors.

@geenkaas6380

10 ай бұрын

@@rbxlessHow do we then know that they lied?

War is a racket -Major Smedley D. Butler

@BIGBOPPER41

10 ай бұрын

I say, to hell with war- Smedley Butler

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Butler was such a fascinating figure in American history.

@billydeewilliams9104

10 ай бұрын

War in Ukraine is a racket.

@Henry_Jones

10 ай бұрын

@@billydeewilliams9104 base!

@Henry_Jones

10 ай бұрын

​@@billydeewilliams9104Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country -Hermann Goering

Thanks LBJ.

@abrahamlincoln937

10 ай бұрын

That’s why LBJ is a C tier president in my opinion.

@moses4769

10 ай бұрын

​@@abrahamlincoln937A in mine

@luisfilipe2023

10 ай бұрын

@@abrahamlincoln937I can imagine who your favorite president is 😅

@akorn9943

10 ай бұрын

@@abrahamlincoln937honest to God, how bad do American presidents have to be for one to kill millions of people with lies and still be an above average president

@BrendanBrown1

10 ай бұрын

LBJ is was most of our most evil presidents for sure. He's up there with Andrew Johnson and Woodrow Wilson.

History doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyth

@felipevega484

10 ай бұрын

I mean something similar happened with the Maine and Cuba.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Let's end this cycle shall we?

@joshuacarre06

10 ай бұрын

@@iammrbeat Yes let's end the cycle

@bill5627

10 ай бұрын

​@@felipevega484Iraq too.

@ZealousWins

10 ай бұрын

Yup, sure does *rhythm.*

Carter is a Chad for pardoning the draft evaders.

@Blaqjaqshellaq

10 ай бұрын

What's a "chad"?

@SIR_Glitch

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@Blaqjaqshellaq A really cool person

@fawkewe

10 ай бұрын

That was actually Ford. He did it because he also pardoned Nixon which many people thought was controversial.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

It was definitely a megachad move.

@glibsonoran

10 ай бұрын

@@fawkewe It was Carter, not Ford,: Proclamation 4483, Jan. 21 1977.

“The Government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin - they wanted that resolution to get us into the Vietnam War. Governments lie!” - The Reverend Jeremiah Wright

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Oh I must find this clip...

@jasonutty52

10 ай бұрын

A fair statement. However, a reverend has no real place calling out / judging anyone for lying. Glass houses and all.

My father died young from Agent Orange Syndrome from his time fighting in America’s bogus war in Vietnam. We lived on bases around the world throughout my childhood, including Clark AFB in the Philippines. There, at 10 years old, I saw a C5 - a giant cargo plane that can carry tanks - loaded floor to ceiling with coffins, all wrapped in American flags. At that moment, I realized that the war was wrong. I did not hold the troops who were sent to Vietnam responsible. I loved my dad, who was a good man his whole life. I knew even at that age that it was the warmongers and politicians who were profiting from the deaths of soldiers, and the many more deaths of Vietnamese. Many years after we were run out of Vietnam, the war's chief planner, McNamara, admitted the war was based on lies. The Vietnamese had been invaded and were fighting for their lives against two superpowers that were using them and their land as a 'theater' for their war 'games'. AND using the soldiers, whose residual anger is understandable.

@user-ho4nw5sf3w

10 ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss. I was an aircraft mechanic on c-5 1969-1970 Okinawa. I saw the same planes filled with coffins. More than once. I worked the med-vac airplanes out of country. I saw the black barrels with the orange stripe. I saw the scared face of kids going to Vietnam, I saw the haunted faces when they came back. And I still do,fifty years later. I grieve for your loss, I grieve for the biggest loss, and that, we learned we just can't trust the government .

@tesmith47

10 ай бұрын

not the government, white america is used to beating up colored folks all around the world with out very much consequences that is why there was so much support@@user-ho4nw5sf3w

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_

10 ай бұрын

If there’s *one* military engagement that almost every American wishes we had never gotten into, it’s Vietnam.

@KenHubbard-jz1vq

10 ай бұрын

@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ YOU HAD AN OPTION. CANADA.

@furerorban9324

9 ай бұрын

trumpist? he died because he became trumpist?

But...But... America's never done anything wrong like that...

@kilowhiskey7973

10 ай бұрын

You’re clearly not an American. Americans love to point out our inconsistencies.

@cidey1855

10 ай бұрын

@@kilowhiskey7973 quite the opposite actually

@Bombadil-ez9ns

10 ай бұрын

@cidey1855 😲 It's been about 12 years since I've heard somebody say something positive about America without being immediately interrupted and shouted down. (In fairness, I haven't bothered listening to any President saying, "The state of the union is strong" in all that time.)

@Jake-me9pq

10 ай бұрын

@@kilowhiskey7973but…but… It was a joke

@fatboy158

10 ай бұрын

​@@Bombadil-ez9nsYou clearly don't live in a right leaning state

Its honestly insane to me that so many democrats will say Lbj was a good president when he was an objectively horrible president and person. Like even without this he was just awful.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

He was complicated, like most humans.

@larrytischler570

10 ай бұрын

​@@iammrbeatComplicated? He was going to be indited for the Billy Sol Estes fake ammonia tanks farm loan scandal and another just as bad. But conviently he became president and AG Robert Kennedy got killed and Johnson was suddenly the most powerful man in the world. That is not complicated, that is corruption. Just like we have today in DC. Do you think Biden is complicated too?

@greatdays3584

10 ай бұрын

The LBJ presidency was very complicated and nuanced. He was a shady guy, who did very shady stuff, but, at the same time, his contributions to the economy via the Great Society are undeniable. In the end, your thoughts on LBJ generally depend on what you think about the Federal Government in general; people who think that all politicians are inherently crooked like LBJ more than people who have faith in politicians do, as their expectations are lower.

@Sewblon

10 ай бұрын

He signed the legislation that desegregated the south and gave women a right to equal pay. That being said, from what I know of him, he was a horrible person and a bully.

@moosesandmeese969

10 ай бұрын

Are you suggesting he was a bad president for signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Another thing that’s funny to me is I always remember being taught growing up that the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia was a bad thing, when in reality, it was a very good thing as the Vietnamese toppled the Khmer Rouge

@donaldwobamajr6550

10 ай бұрын

The Vietnamese are the reason that the Khmer Rouge were in power in the first place, though.

@Blaqjaqshellaq

10 ай бұрын

@@donaldwobamajr6550 Them, and the Americans whose carpet-bombing of Cambodia made the Khmer Rouge takeover possible...

@antonijaume8498

10 ай бұрын

​@@donaldwobamajr6550the USA hostility to Vietnam was why the USA backed Pol Pot.

@JA37Viggen

10 ай бұрын

​@@BlaqjaqshellaqYou do realize they bombed the Khmer Rouge, not to help the Khmer Rouge?

@Blaqjaqshellaq

10 ай бұрын

But the effect was to destroy all opposition to the Khmer Rouge...@@JA37Viggen

This revelation (provided by the release of the Pentagon Papers) plus Watergate is a big reason why Americans do not trust the Federal Government. And events that have followed have only deepened that mistrust. I was a young college student during the height of the Iraq war (2003-2005) and was inundated with army recruiters begging me to join up and serve. And this was a big reason I didn’t.

@tesmith47

10 ай бұрын

you misunderstand america has always been blood thirsty bully.....as long as the victims did not fight back very much, soon as colored folks get enough guns to fight back then america feels different. remember Regan in california when the Black panthers started self defense organizing??

aka: Blame the Maine on Spain pt 2

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Well that's one way of putting it. lol

@Sewblon

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, no one really knows if Spain sank the Main or not.

@SylviaRustyFae

10 ай бұрын

@@Sewblon And yet, the important bit is that theres no proof that Spain did do it; which makes it the same circumstance of just say smth happened and everyone will just go along with the war bcuz patriotism demands we fight spain or commies or muslims or whoevs else we are bein told is to blame for the latest maine

@Sewblon

10 ай бұрын

@@SylviaRustyFae True, there is no proof that Spain blew up the Main.

Also the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American War, the second Iraq War...

@jabber1990

10 ай бұрын

the Spanish American War was started the same way Vietnam was...but you never hear about it

@abrahamlincoln937

10 ай бұрын

At least the United States actually won both the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War.

@abrahamlincoln937

10 ай бұрын

@EighteenEightyFour There is a distinction because the US was on the winning side of both the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War, but the US was on the losing side of the Vietnam War.

@abrahamlincoln937

10 ай бұрын

@EighteenEightyFour It does matter over when evaluating whether the war was justified for the US or not. The Mexican-American War was absolutely a justified war for the US because the US won the war and gained a huge amount of territory from Mexico as a result of the war. The Spanish-American War was justified for the US because the US won and it contributed to the US becoming a world power.

@Bombadil-ez9ns

10 ай бұрын

@abrahamlincoln937 I'm starting to think you might not be Abraham Lincoln. Are you catfishing us?

If Americans got a dollar everytime their government when to based on a lie, they would be able to pay of their student debt😂😂😂

@wolfshanze5980

10 ай бұрын

If you can't afford to pay off a debt you volunteered to take on, why should i pay off what you're too lazy to pay yourself. Mommy and daddy tought you waaaaay too much self entitlement... growup before you expect everyone else to pay off the debts you volunteered to take on child.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Oh snap

@Workerbee-zy5nx

10 ай бұрын

Govt dont pay for your debt...the tax payers do.....derp😐

@spicefactor9604

10 ай бұрын

​@@Workerbee-zy5nxwrong

@Workerbee-zy5nx

10 ай бұрын

@@spicefactor9604 Dude you don't know crap. Go to your mommy, real men are talking. Semper fi.

I have heard stories that the supposed second attack was due to misinterpreted radar signals. So although the second attack didn’t happen, at they time they actually did believe it

@jerryware5749

10 ай бұрын

NSA released over 200 previously classified documents in 2005 indicating the LBJ and McNamara knew it was unlikely the second attack happened but LBJ needed political points for the 1964 election.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

The people in charge absolutely knew it didn't happen.

@aycc-nbh7289

10 ай бұрын

@@jerryware5749But isn’t this why these signals were misinterpreted?

Going to war on a lie is a very American thing to do.

@DanielKolbin

10 ай бұрын

Nope

@tearex8688

10 ай бұрын

Yea you know what else is American. Everyone being pissy at you to do something because you're big guy then turn around and give you shit for it when you actually do something.

@Anonymous-xq5cs

10 ай бұрын

@@tearex8688 You were never sent to war

@tearex8688

10 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-xq5cs not supporting war. I'm supporting everyone figuring it the fuck out without us.

@cheese-nipples-1728

9 ай бұрын

​@@tearex8688I don't think the millions of Iraqis you k!lled and the syrians you bombed asked for your help

For reasons like this, I will never look down on conspiracy theorists. The government, and other large organizations have lost all creditbility and I understand why people don’t trust anything with how much/how often their lies are

@USRM1810

9 ай бұрын

But things like “lizard people” and “9/11 was staged” is pure bs

There's a lesson here. Never elect a politician from Texas to be PotUS.

Now do USS Liberty

@localforeigner9528

10 ай бұрын

Stop being antisemitic 😅

@stalker5299

10 ай бұрын

​@@localforeigner9528antisemetic to call out warcrimes now? Oy vey

@NickCorruption

10 ай бұрын

While I agree that it can come across as antisemitic, the Liberty incident was super fucked. I like Israel, but I have to admit when something is fucked.

@conductingintomfoolery9163

10 ай бұрын

@NickCorruption I don’t like “people” who blow our stuff up, probably shot our president in the head, involved in 9/11, lied about developing nuclear weapons, involving some way in every single middle eastern war, sells out tech to China and lobbies our government to “support” the without any constraints

@mikeaskme3530

10 ай бұрын

​@@localforeigner9528so knowing the truth is antisemitic now, wow who knew. I thought Jews and Christians are all about the truth, unless it's a negative truth about them.

I find it so interesting how the Admiral of that vessel was Jim Morrison’s father.

Thanks for revealing the truth

....and Jim Morrison's dad was the captain of the aircraft carrier that responded to the 'incident.'

@stevenweaver3386

10 ай бұрын

He was the rear admiral in command of the carrier task group, actually

This especially infuriates me because my grandfather suffers from Agent Orange. My aunt died from Covid in late 2021, and she probably would have lived if it weren't for Agent Orange

I learned more from your KZread channel than I ever did in school..... Thank you

This legitimately makes me kinda sad for all the millions of people who died cause of one stupid order

As great as LBJ was on domestic policy with the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, he was just as terrible with the Vietnam War, which makes him a C tier president in my opinion.

@Bombadil-ez9ns

10 ай бұрын

Kinda punching down a little, aren't you, Abe?

@aaronTGP_3756

10 ай бұрын

I think mid/upper B tier. An otherwise A tier president doing a terrible decision that must not be ignored. On the other hand, JFK *is* a C tier president.

@emporioalnino4670

10 ай бұрын

I can just imagine ol Abe in his gaming chair ranking the other prezzies while chat is arguing

@100AcreWoodz1

10 ай бұрын

​​@@emporioalnino46704 score and seven teabags ago, i banged Eisenhower's mother

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

That's a great analysis there.

Appreciate it you exposing this, but framing it in causal terms is tricky. The war didn't happen because of this lie, but rather facilitated/ gas lit by this lie.

Not the first time this ever happened and won't be the last either.

Wow, its amazing how much history changes when you feel like your idea of what history should be is better.

love the content ❤

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Well thank you

Mostly correct, but you left out one important detail regarding the first incident. USS Maddox had SIGNET specialists on board that had intercepted signals indicating the three North Vietnamese boats were getting underway to attack the Maddox. As the three boats closed in international waters, Maddox opened fire first knowing the intent of the attacking boats instead of allowing them closer for a more accurate torpedo attack.

@kilowhiskey7973

10 ай бұрын

If he could read, he would be upset. The conspiracy itself appeals more than the actual truth.

@alohatigers1199

10 ай бұрын

The truth is America loves to invade countries and exploit millions of people because capitalism is good. When there’s capitalism, there’s exploitation. America 🤡

@tetraxis3011

10 ай бұрын

And How do we know that’s true and isn’t a lie though?

@clonecommandermike332

10 ай бұрын

I don't think we will ever know what really happened that day

@kilowhiskey7973

10 ай бұрын

@@tetraxis3011 because we know the media blew it out of proportion and the president didn’t want to wage war. It took several months for the U.S. to officially “wage war” because they were too busy doing damage control against the public and media.

Well done, sir.

Remember this the next time you dismiss conspiracy theorists.

@tearex8688

10 ай бұрын

Conspiracy theorist often feel entitled and act like its fact even though thats not what a Conspiracy is.

So much LBJ hate in these comments 😭 WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DO VIETNAM, LBJ?! YOUR LEGACY WAS RUINED! R.I.P. the great society 😢

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, he didn't "do" Vietnam. He was just one person among many that wanted this to happen and played an active role in it. The groundwork was laid before he even was in office.

LBJ WAS ONE OF THE WORST PRESIDENT'S NEVER ELECTED!

@andyman2583

10 ай бұрын

Ummmm, except he was elected... Yes, he became President when JFK was assassinated but easily won election over Goldwater in 1964.

@test-ws7sg

10 ай бұрын

No, GWBJ is the worst, no obama no it's Trump no... everyone post WW2 is worst except JFK

@user-tm8iq1zp9x

10 ай бұрын

He was elected. He served a. Full term of his own

@johnl9977

10 ай бұрын

Our country usually starts wars because it is doing things it should not be doing, then blames the other side. Recently, we just lie to everybody to start a war. Notice how our government has us hating on Iran? Well, we funded a coup to get rid of a democratically elected president there to put in someone that would give away their oil to our oil companies. Iran would probably be a democracy today if not for that. We start all these problems with our greed, then fabricate an excuse for war, sanctions, etc. Nothing Bush said about Iraq was true, but his lies were good enough to fool the majority of Americans. Republicans use the Goebbels playbook. Tell lies so BIG, that no one would think you would lie about such a thing.

"The only things you need to change the world is one good lie and a river of blood."

Thank US for making both of my Vietnamese grandparents fight each other, you're definitely the profitier of wars while standing on my family blood and corpses

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

10 ай бұрын

The commies made them fight each other. A brutal ideology that won at great cost, then got abandoned anyway.

Unlisted video cool 😎

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

You got here and I'm proud of you.

@robloxrack4

10 ай бұрын

I also managed to get here

@MomentsInTrading

10 ай бұрын

It’s because it’s a short

What is it with america going to war over ships Maine Lusitania Pearl harbour Now this

@pattrick9490

10 ай бұрын

Well we didn't over the Uss Pueblo or the Uss Liberty

This is why I am so critical of my country's politics and actions. My father died in 1970 all because of a lie.

If only LBJ and his administration hadn't done this his presidency would be ranked much higher by historians, and he may have even won a second full term in 1968

@antonijaume8498

10 ай бұрын

Could he? I think the two terms limits for president does not say "only if elected".

This war killed my grandfather. Agent Orange exposure.

America is truly the city upon a hill. It’s crazy to me how brainwashed we are into thinking that our imperialist actions are in any way justified.

@DanielKolbin

10 ай бұрын

Do you know how many Americans protested the Vietnam war? Doesn’t sound like they were trying to justify it

@noahmeissner6935

10 ай бұрын

@@DanielKolbin lots of Americans do. I’m not saying all Americans do. Our fight to contain communism as well as our involvements in the middle east has been horrible for so many countries as well as the American people yet many Americans justify it due to a lot of western propaganda that has been spread

@DanielKolbin

10 ай бұрын

@@noahmeissner6935 the American government definitely has gone too far too long in some places. We can't please everyone and we can't police everything, but you have a point -- except if we're talking about Ukraine.

@tearex8688

10 ай бұрын

It ain't easy being a superpower with one of the biggest industrys and defense responsibilitys. This train needs a lot of coal let me tell you....unfortunately most high complex leadership leads to people carelessly acing everything as a government does.

@Azaqa

9 ай бұрын

You just fell for some propaganda my man 💀 the maddox intercepted communications from the Vietnamese ship which confirmed the torpedo boat was going to attack the maddox, so the maddox fired first to not allow the torpedo ship to get in close range and easily connect the torpedoes The 2nd day was an error with the radar during a storm which the crew reported immediately after, but LBJ chose to lie to get a more powerful justification to go to war Ultimately, they were an evil regime that was exceedingly cruel to their people and everyone who ignores this fact is too blinded by their hate for the USA. The war couldve been a massive net positive for the world but LBJ's horrible strategy, doctrine, and overall decision making resulted in the disaster it was

The first U.S. soldiers to be killed in Vietnam died in July 1959 after their quarters were attacked in Saigon, five years before the Tonkin Incident. The Tonkin Incident did not start anything, only facilitated an increase in U.S. involvement.

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

What is your point?

@Riley_Mundt

10 ай бұрын

@@iammrbeat Your title implies that the Tonkin Incident is what got us involved. We were already there, and would more than likely have continued to be involved in Vietnam whether Tonkin happened or not.

@johnsmith-de3tl

10 ай бұрын

@@Riley_Mundt you cant say that, its not following the established dogma.

That's just reminded me of "greedo shot first"

Thank you.

Everybody gangsta until trees speak Vietnamese

@iammrbeat

10 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

All of this operates under the kind of childish assumption that we go to war because of these incidents. We don't and never had. We didn't go to war with Japan because of Pearl Harbor in 1941. We went to war with Japan for the same reason we embargoed oil exports in 1940. Because we had opposing geopolitical interests. They needed land for resources, we needed free-trade and globalist capitalism. These incidents are just great marketing for public relations.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

10 ай бұрын

Japan got embargoed because of the atrocity of their actions in the Pacific. If a kid at school punches you if you refuse to give him a piece of gum is that legitimate use of force? Japan F around and found out.

Yeah when I found that I out and started telling people they thought I was crazy.

In all fairness, the war was already years-old before the Gulf of Tonkin, the incident just pushed the US into more active involvement. Still a horrible result, but there would still have been millions killed from the original conflict.

Thanks Mr beat love your videos

LBJ proving what kind of person and politician he was.

Some things never change

Fun fact the man in charge of the naval forces in the gulf of Tonkin was George Stephen Morrison, father of Jim Morrison of The Doors

Actually, it's clearly established that the USS Maddox was in International waters when it was first attacked. And while the Maddox fired first, they were three warning shots across the bow of the lead ship at 10,000 yards range, which were responded to with torpedoes. The reason for the attack on the Maddox was because of a South Vietnamese raid on Hon Me island, which had occurred a few days earlier. USS Maddox was to the North of that Island when attacked.

LBJ has to be up there as one of the worst humans who have ever had the Presidency, and somehow this incident is just one of many reasons for that

@camwelch9948

10 ай бұрын

Yet was able to pass the Civil Rights act and ensure it’s adaption with the national guard. I agree Johnson was not a great guy by any means, though I would say Nixon is worse, by negotiating to prolong the war and so he could secure the presidency and get credit for ending it, and then not ending. Nixon also started the drug war, which has led to massive amounts of suffering and pain all over the world.

@Chuked

10 ай бұрын

LBJ never planned or wanted to be a president he was never even that popular

@idkytchl

10 ай бұрын

Ovjectively garbage president tbh, rumor has it he only passed civil rights so his black chaffuer could get him coffe( or somerhing akin to that its been a while)

@travcollier

10 ай бұрын

You don't know much about US Presidents then.

@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat

10 ай бұрын

^ This is why we really shouldn't teach REAL history to everyone. People's negativity bias makes them start saying things like this cause they saw one 60 second video about LBJ. When a HUUUUGE part of studying "real history" is understanding how grey and complicated all humans will always be.

I spent six months in Baghdad because of the GWB Administration's "WMD lie." I luckily survived, but over 400 of my fellow American servicemembers who were there the same time I was came back home in a box.

One of the worst wars we got involved in. A fruitless and pointless war that had no end game. Crazy to think after what happened Vietnam is one of our closest allies.

Thanks for covering this. As someone who thinks that LBJ wasn’t a good President, I am happy you have delivered the truth

@jabber1990

10 ай бұрын

....there are people who think LBJ was a good president?

@jerrylee8261

10 ай бұрын

@@jabber1990 How could even his family think that?

@abrahamlincoln937

10 ай бұрын

@@jabber1990 LBJ is regarded favorably by historians as president, mainly for his domestic policy accomplishments with the Great Society, despite the Vietnam War.

@jabber1990

10 ай бұрын

@abrahamlincoln937 I guess I missed the part about the Great society? Still waiting on that

They lied about vietnam afganistan iraq, now theyre lying about ukraine. Wake up people!

@troublemakerrr7787

10 ай бұрын

ukraine...? how

@clonecommandermike332

10 ай бұрын

​@@troublemakerrr7787Obviously Ukraine attacked first /s

@Henry_Jones

10 ай бұрын

@@troublemakerrr7787 you can start with the lie that this was an unprovoked invasion began in 2/22. Its been going on since 2014 and began with a cia led coup that overthrew the democratically elected govt, someting the usa has done countless times.

@Henry_Jones

10 ай бұрын

@@troublemakerrr7787 and when us troops officially head there dont say biden didnt lie when he said us wont be directly involved. Johnson said the same thing before the gulf of tonkin. Same things gonna happen. Some fake attack to justify us intervention. Its ww3 people. Theyre just not calling it yet and it was 100% provoked by imperial neocons in dc that control both parties. Youve seen it behind every foreign policy decision since 911.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

10 ай бұрын

Least delusional Vatnik

Sadly I'm pretty sure a lot of wars were started because of a lie. Sometimes humanity is disgusting

My grandmother is a Fox news watcher who thinks liberals want us to hate the country But Why shouldnt we

@davidmccarroll2280

10 ай бұрын

I can't Pathom how critiquing your own country to do better is being disloyal fox news must be quite the propoganda network

God I'm so disappointed in us

@Somebodyherefornow

10 ай бұрын

in US or in us

@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat

10 ай бұрын

What for? The real reason we invaded Vietnam was to try and stop communism. This is 1964, the Great Leap Forward in China only ended two years ago. Communism just starved 55 million people less than 300km away from Hanoi.

@alohatigers1199

10 ай бұрын

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat What for? Hmm? Millions of people in Africa are exploited under capitalism. Millions of people in Asian countries exploited under capitalism. Millions of people in South America exploited under capitalism Millions of Americans can’t afford healthcare, millions of Americans are struggling to get out of poverty. How many people are struggling to make ends meet while working longer hours for bare minimum wage while the Cost of living as far exceed their minimum wage? When did capitalism ever solve homelessness?

@clonecommandermike332

10 ай бұрын

​@@alohatigers1199Neither system is ideal, but capitalism is the lesser of the two evils. Also, pointing out the flaws of the other side of the argument doesn't make your side correct.

@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat

10 ай бұрын

@@alohatigers1199 "millions are exploited" while BILLIONS escape poverty. While BILLIONS have their infant mortality reduced, are able to feed their children, become literate, get better jobs, buy property, start businesses and grow their communities. It's the easiest thing in the world to pretend that the millions who are exploited are the only people, or that they're only exploited. Billions of people fed. Billions of people sheltered. Billions educated, billions trained, billions better off than any of their ancestors ever could've dreamed. You just get to ignore all that while you complain about a system you have no alternative to.

Respect our veterans.

@aaronTGP_3756

10 ай бұрын

Pretty much correct. Respect veterans (they were just following orders), dishonor neo-cons.

Truth is always the first victim of war.

I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that the commander of United States naval forces during the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was George Stephen Morrison, The Doors' frontman Jim Morrison's father. Makes it twice as weird because The Doors were one of the most popular bands during Vietnam war (hence 'The End' playing in Apocalypse Now).

100% correct!

Considering what various governments have done in the past, people really shouldn't trust their government as much as they do.

Well, Sun Tzu did say in The Art of War that “All warfare is based on deception.”

The real lie was the French saying they needed Indochina after WW2 to "control Communism"

@antonijaume8498

10 ай бұрын

Did they?

I wouldn’t have my wonderful Vietnamese son if that war never happened. He’s almost fifty years old now. His father was killed in a tragic accident.

Still the Communist North Vietnam would massacred millions of Southern Vietnamese without the United States of America ... Learning from real history , the only time the USA was truely needed was to end WWII in both the European & Pacific theatres ... The rest of the subsequent conflicts or wars , in hindsight , the USA was better off by not getting involved ... It's a thankless job being Captain America! 🙏🌷🌿🌍💜🕊🇺🇸

Admiral Morrison was the fleet commander during this Era, his son Jim later became a famous vocalist

Yup and I hope we have learned our lesson!

One of the Navy officers wrote a memo saying that there was no battle at Tonkin. The Pentagon threw it away.

If this surprises you, wait until what you find out what lies leading to the gulf war

There’s a common trend with the US and bullshit wars. The Quasi-War (“we’re not gonna pay back debts based on a technicality even though you helped us gain independence”), the Spanish-American War (“let’s pretend they attacked our ship”), the Mexican-American War (“let’s pretend they were the ones who shot first”), the Vietnamese War (“Let’s pretend they shot first AND they attacked our ship!”), the War in Iraq (“Let’s pretend like they have WMD’s”) Not to mention hypocrisy from the very foundation of the nation’s supposed values (all men created equal and yet, slavery), the genocide, treaty-shredding, and forced population replacement of Native Americans, the countless instances of regime change conducted all across the world, supporting dictators in Central America, Africa, Asia, Chile’s Pinochet, overthrowing democracy in Iran leading to the Islamic Republic, funding and arming genocide in Bangladesh war for independence, and funding, training, (even if the following is sometimes inadvertent) training, funding, and arming terrorists like Osama bin Laden, etc etc etc. It’s fucking crazy.

Then when a US Navy ship was actually sunk by🇮🇱 on purpose, the same president cowered in fear and never got justice

It shows what a great country we are.

Our American government, esp the FBI believe not gettting CAUGHT in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth- it's their policy, they have that as a principle. THIS OPINION

Remembers me of a young guy in the US at the beginning of this century

Between 1898 and 1964 the threshold for the US going to war shrank from sinking a ship to attacking a ship.

If you really care to read about the Gulf of Tonkin and what happened to the Navy to start this entire thing, you’d see that there wasn’t any actual lying going on during the attacks. Both real and suspected attacks. Lying would be the ships commander telling his commander that he was fired upon and they’re taking damage all while knowing that never happened. In the Gulf of Tonkin, you had nervous sonar operators that had been told to expect something, hear noises from their equipment that they determined to be torpedoes (which there were none), missing their targets. So they got that wrong at first. No doubt or denying that. The fog of war is a real thing. Especially before the actual war has even started. Once that ship made that report, (also it should be mentioned that another naval vessel also believed they were hearing torpedoes fired at them, which was wrong also), and once that report quickly moved up to Navy command and SECNAV level, those commanders were not going to go back on their report and say they were wrong. Not until it’s much to late. Which is what happened of course. But I think saying there was lying going on is a misrepresentation of the events that happened, especially the events that lead to the US even being in that part of the world at that time. We were going to be pulled into that conflict eventually after the North Vietnamese smoked the French army and foreign legion that had kept Vietnam a colony, out of their country in 1953! Americans think it began when we sent advisers there in the early 60’s…lol. No…America screwed over Vietnam right after WW2, where the Vietnamese hated the Japanese army and aided the Allies in whatever way they could. Including blowing up their stores of rice that was for the Japanese while they sat and starved. And when it was over, and Ho Chi Minh sent a letter to the US president asking them to support their country’s freedom and independence, what did we do? We took the side of the French, they had money and they were our Allies in Europe. So we left the Vietnamese people out to swing in the wind and find someone else to support them in the future. And that’s what brought the Soviet Union into the NVA side at the beginning. It was OUR actions that pushed them away from us. And we paid for that mistake for sure. And they paid because of things we did and because of things they did as well. They didn’t take into account that the USSR would take over their lives in worse ways then the French did almost. All of this is easy to look back on now and criticize things. Deservedly so. But in the end, this is war. Nobody’s innocent in this sh1t. And nobody wins a war either. One side just loses more slowly. I get that this is all of a minute long, so it can’t cover everything. But calling what happened in the gulf of Tonkin a lie is really misleading at best. It certainly isn’t informative, assuming that’s what this video is supposed to be.

@FrankUnknown

7 ай бұрын

Did the attack happen? No. Did they say it did? Yes. They were telling the truth though, lol. At least we got another war out of it, which is what our leaders always want.

Also millions perished because a dude said his people where the superior people, turns out he was wrong.

Fun Fact: The commander of the USS Maddox was the father of Jim Morrison, lead singer with The Doors

I think it just really shows how hungry America is for war

I was a very young child in the 1960s. But what I can remember of it was it seemed like it was a happy and prosperous time. People didn’t seem to have as many financial woes and buying a house was easy. It seemed people were about enjoying life more. But I was a very young child so I’m only putting bits and pieces of memories together. From memory things only started to get difficult with the oil embargo from 1973. I still remember Walter Cronkite talking about Vietnam on the news. His news always had some kind of clacking noise in the background like printing presses or something. There was no sign of economic stress. I never saw abandoned shops in strip malls like we have seen in the past couple of decades. Nothing but growth and expansion. The OPEC oil embargo of 1973 was a harbinger that tougher times were ahead. LBJ did great with the economy but his foreign policy was a complete failure. But the failure with Vietnam actually started with Truman. And that is a very long story.

I'd love to watch a video about Operation Northwoods.

Why is it always a sunken ship that gets us into wars?

The truth I’ve been waiting for someone to say it

Jim Morrison's father was an Admiral in the Navy and is said to be the person who either came up with the Gulf of Tonkin incident or carried it out.

So, when your government says, "it's here to help", seek shelter COVID "precautions" have resulted in more deaths, harm, etc. And if you questioned your government's actions, you faced persecution and prosecution

Quite refreshing to see someone talk about the U.S. manufacturing a casus belli

I had a cousin, who was sent to Vietnam, by JFK. This was in early 1963. There was already fortifications built, by the time he got there. He was involved in quite a few operations that resulted in gun battles taking place with communist forces. My cousin had already finished his first tour of duty in Vietnam, before Johnson, finally acknowledged there was a conflict with our men over on August 2 1964.