The "LEICA LOOK" a Myth? | Thypoch Eureka 50mm F2
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This is my fave kind of video of yours. A bit of editing/before-after, a bit of on-location, a bit of philosophical ramblings (and possibly half-cooked theories lol), a bit of cursing, and a TON of excitement and love for what you're doing. I may or may not ever get into the Leica system but after seeing this I absolutely cannot wait to be 15 years deep in this game, only another decade to go. Keep up the great work, Cam!
@ckhicks
Ай бұрын
This. Also love the way you use a different setup every time - keeps it fresh! Keep it up man.
That over shoulder shot while you’re editing is superb 👌🏻
Well, yeah, of course it is. As someone who has had an M6, Q2, Q2M and M11: film gives the "look" on the film cameras and Lightroom (or similar) gives the look on the digital Leicas. The cameras are great but it's not because of any "look".
That 'over the sholder' shot/framing is gorgeous. love your attention to detail
As a keen amateur I rented a selection of Leica lenses M11, Q3 and SL kit before I committed to buying into it. I soon realised the limitations on my photography are not kit but my ability. So now going to focus on my own skills and courses (then just need to get the gorgeous models and awesome locations, kit comes last !).
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Oh man you went in deep from the start haha! I honestly would not recommend those cameras for an amateur. I would have said like an old Sony mirrorless!
Why doesn't Cam have more subscribers? I don't honestly get it. I've learned more about the 'practice' of photography from this channel, than all the other practicing film/photography youtubers combined.
Love to know what the switch to LR. Don’t make it a mystery, maybe could benefit from your expertise and experience which i respect.
Your shots are so good it hurts.
Dope video! I would love to see a video of why you switched back to LR and those presets you were working on. Unleash those bad boys!!
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
august!
Man your videos are always pure vibes, keep it up!
Tell it, Cam. Great stuff. Couldn’t agree more about the folly of lens perfection, and yes, part of the magic of the Leica rangefinder is that you have to really work for it to get it right.
Awesome Video as always. I was not able to get Leica camera but I did manage to get a Voigtlander Bessa R2, which is M mount as well. I got Voigtlander 35 mm F1 .2 to go along with it and I love that combo as well as adapting the mount to my Komodo. One thing I found about Leica is that you get some limitations with the framing patches but with the Bessa I get 35, 50, 90 mm patches. Can’t wait to see your next videos.
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Oooooo imma have to check those out!!!
This applies to Leica M lenses too- super sharp wide open, but perhaps because of the size limitations, full of character too. Steel rim 35mm f/1.4 is calling your name.
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
I have the KOB ;)
@MarcAdesso
Ай бұрын
Oh snap
Leica lenses, beside their benchmark summicron range, are all character lenses.
I have seen a lot of people comment on the infinity lock on these type of lenses and while it does tend to be annoying sometimes i find that when the lens is locked at infinity you can unscrew it much easier to replace the lens. I know that for some people this makes zero difference but in my opinion its a great feature if it was intended.
I’m no Leica expert but perhaps some of the purists will pipe in and provide insight how to get the “Leica look” you HAVE to be using both Leica sensor AND glass … so they say. I don’t see it but I totally admit it could be lack of long term Leica experience for me. That said …… I highly recommend the Thypoch 28 1.4 ……. Its solid. And I have a hard time seeing a significant different between the Q2 Summilux and the Thypoch on my M10R. Ps: for the record, my full frame M10R is more compact than my Xpro2 with similar sized lens (though M10 is heavier).
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
I may or may not have it ;) stay tuned
@JoshuaHelms
20 күн бұрын
Yes, the glassss. I was using Leica R glass for video way before actually shooting Leica cameras and always thought there was something super special about it.
Awesome shots, gorgeous model, cool video.
How did you remove the film grain, you are using 50 ISO film with low grain right?
I’m pretty sure that focus lock at infinity was more for pre M lenses. LTM lenses needed to be screwed in and that locking gives you the leverage to twist the lens for attachment and remove.
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
I was assuming so!!!
I was trying to explain how the size of the m mount limits the size of the lenses design which in return gives us lenses like the Eureka… but I was just rambling on and on haha. Overall, Leica M Mount bodies are something special. Amazing build quality and simple design. Who know timeless standards would last this long ;)
Would love to see a vid on why you switched back to Lightroom!
@Emre-u5i
Ай бұрын
Should be because of Leica! LR wasnt handling well Fuji files
As a Pro for 35yrs + I can tell you ALL cameras have a look - like all films used to
Great content. Beautiful model.
I really would love to see some more companies licensing the M-Mount from Leica (like Pixii) and create cheaper digital rangefinder alternatives to the Leica M cameras. They are just SO EXPENSIVE and I feel like a little more competition in this market couldn't hurt (esp because Leica would earn licensing fees anyways).
I recently got the Tech-Art TMZ-02 adapter, which allows you to autofocus (and close-focus) your M lenses on Nikon Z bodies. I tried it with my Z6 and my buddies Zf.. especially on the Zf it really works well. Sure, focus isn't as snappy as with native Z lenses, but it's a crazy experience to see autofocus work on a lens that is potentially decades old and was never designed for autofocus in the first place. I think you'll like it (or, possibly not at all, if you really are all in on manual focus :) )
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Dang I keep hearing about it. Imma have to try it
@Rocky-AR
Ай бұрын
I don't recommend Techart adapters because their firmware and repair support is non-existent which means upgrading your camera's firmware will render the adapter useless which is the last thing you want as Nikon is constantly releasing firmware and I've seen enough reports of adapters randomly breaking on its own with no response from Techart.
@AlecKinnear
Ай бұрын
Absolutely. I've had two $200+ Techart Adapters die on me. No support, either time. Never again.
Some of the old Minolta glass like the 58mm and 55mm MC/MD lenses create that painterly background look also. Only downside is they are probably bigger and heavier than the Thypoch.
@Chromatomic
Ай бұрын
The 58 is really interesting too because wide open it's less sharp but has this bloom effect in the highlights and creates really film like images on digital and then goes away completely when stopped down. Really like that lens. Or maybe I have a ton of dust in mind haha.
You really are an incredible photographer.
Does the lens acquire AF on the ZF?...
Tell the model from the thumbnail to stop looking at me
Another great video!
Would love it if you could make a video or suggest a way in which you could achieve similar results on a budget
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Literally any vintage lens brother. Check out the Helios 44-2. Make sure it’s the 44-2 though.. don’t get any of the -3 or -4
@anhu92
Ай бұрын
@@cammackey I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks!
Jesus, that model good LORD!
People can hate all they want..my Leica q was so much fun to use. It just works, no bullshit. I really regret selling it and when I can afford another digital Leica im grabbing one. Im scared of film😂
"Since when do artists chase perfection?" Since about 2005 if you play Heavy Metal. That's why modern records SUCK.
Please do a video about the Mamiya 7
Maybe you’ll do more food you reviews
I had plenty of soft, somewhat out of focus images in my childhood with a plastic smena8m. Lots of character there :) I imagine OOF look only works if you front-focus. If focus is on middle or back of hair, it looks like a mistake. Another thing about OOF look is intend. There is nothing to love if you planned and tried to get a sharp image, but got a happy accident OFF. Leica by design is more like a happy accident. For me "Leica look" is in a slightly out of focus image of people bored and running out of patience waiting for you to get a critical focus :)
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
lol the end
have you tried m42 lenses on the gfx
Great Video!!!
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
😢 thank you
A master of the craft
Going to be a long ass chapter bro. LOL!! Cliff notes- all the new M lenses will be too sharp for you sans the re-issue steel rim and the QC on that one sucks and bumbs me out cause its cool. I would say look to Voightlander's Nokton 35 Classic 1.4 and the Heliar Classic 50 1.5 also their Nokton 35 1.2 and 50 1.2. Last Ultron 35 f2- very sharp, very small with just enough sas at f2 - get that in brass/black paint and put it on the M11 black paint when it comes out, then take 80 grit to the edges and pimp up the brass on that 11. All the collectors will be like REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Ha!
Great cameras - but - the basically ALL are now! It's NOT the sensors - it's the lenses/lighting/and post work that create the look/vibe. If spending 2-3X more than other cameras makes the Leica buyers feel empowered then go for it- but that is a 'placebo effect' IMHO and not a reflection of the underlying imaging tech.
@cammackey
3 күн бұрын
You’re right and wrong. I agree it’s all about lenses and the photography itself.. but cropped sensors can hold you back in many ways when it comes to do finalizing your look. First, there’s almost zero apsc lenses that have character. Majority of lenses that have character are full frame. Obviously if you put a full frame lens on a cropped sensor, you’re cropping into the optics and losing a lot of that character. Second, if you’re someone that purses a lot of bokeh and separating.. or order to get the separation at the equivalent focal length, you have to find even faster glass to get the same look. As some point, you can only go so fast. Third, i have countless of proof, that if you’re someone who pushes your files in post.. cropped sensors start to fall apart a lot faster than full frame files do.
@GlobalShutterNY
3 күн бұрын
@@cammackey No question that physics does come into play with optics and noise with regard to sensor size.... But - there are actually many more lenses (and history) on the APS-C/Super 35 side when it comes to Cinema. This year's House of the Dragon (just about as high-end/high budget as you can get!) switched cameras for this season - from an Alexa LF to the new Alexa 35 - they decided that the wider dynamic range of the new sensor created a better image than the larger LF sensor.
@cammackey
2 күн бұрын
@@GlobalShutterNY this video is about photography.
Love your vids Cam thank you... Shot a bit with my friends M10 whn i worked at B&H and its just magic and I dont get it... its not the pop its just this velvety thing detailed "thing" and I cant ever put my thumb on it even... Video-wise still waiting on blazar 45mm but I got the 100 mm... saw they added a new 85mm too... same situation t4 its magnificent so I may consider if I ever get my 45mm
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Yeah man I freakin love those Remus!!! Exciting things to come
0:08 song name?
Keep telling people most of it is the lens.
Always on point ! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Leica look is only and only from their old lenses. None of their new ones have any character whatsoever, because they are optically almost faultless, and so are all the ASPH and Apo lenses from other manufacturers. To my eyes they all have the same modern look, ultra sharp and contrasty. If you want that old Leica look, try the old Leitz Elmar, Summitar or Summaron lenses.
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Yeah I have similar feelings. I think the biggest take away from all of this is the fact that range finders are a beautiful thing to work with!
@lensman5762
Ай бұрын
@@cammackey I agree. They are rather special, but they are not for everyone.
That doesn't make sense about the sensor size. You're basically arguing that the m8 doesn't have the leica look 🤔
@cammackey
7 күн бұрын
Huh
@doulos5322
7 күн бұрын
@@cammackey you were saying that the lens is smaller than the sensor size on the m mount and that because light has to come through the narrow field on the lens that the light goes edge to edge but the Leica m8 is an apsh sensor are you saying the Leica m8 doesn't have the Leica look?
@cammackey
7 күн бұрын
@@doulos5322 question, have you tried comparing a full frame vintage lens on a cropped sensor VS full frame? Something you’ll learn, a lot of character on lenses come to the edges. If you use a crop sensor with that same lens, you begin cropping out those edges. Next question, do you the Leica look has to do with sensor size? If so.. would you say the size of FILM has anything to do with it? Next question, if so.. do you know of any film Leica camera that shoots something smaller than 35mm film? Hopefully these questions answer your questions ;)
@doulos5322
7 күн бұрын
@@cammackey thanks for the detailed reply you are right that a lot of the character comes from the edges of the glass. You asked if I shot with different cameras. Yes, I have. I'm a Nikon shooter and I've had most of them. except the Z8 and 9 and the single digit D series. I was saying if you look at the Leica M8 photos it still has a ton of Leica character even though it's a cropped sensor. I think that the Leica look comes down to the focal length and a fast lens especially in street photography and sometimes the way the focal length effects people up close think Bruce Gilden etc. I'm trying to chase the look with a Zf and a Thypoch 28mm currently with mixed results. I really am more impressed in your last video I watched how you shot several cameras and could nail your style with all of them. I think that is what is ultimately important.
@cammackey
7 күн бұрын
Well, the Leica M8 only has a 1.3X crop. Which is still bigger than standard APSC. So I think what your eye is seeing is all the glass and not the sensor or camera. In reality.. the camera and sensor has nothing to do with anything. It’s the same with film.. Like you can put a roll of portra into any camera.. with any brand.. but if you use the same lens, you’ll get the same look. So you could put the same lens on the M8 and the Nikon ZF.. you’ll Prbly get even mroe of that “Leica look” on the Zf cause the sensor is bigger and using more of the glass. My whole point to this video is about how the M mount specifically, lends to more unique lens designs that lean to the side of character rather than sensor coverage. If you look at any of the new camera mounts, they’re ginormous. They made them extra big so they can utilize more glass for more perfect quality. The smaller you go, with the same 35mm sensor size.. the more of that lens barrel you have to utilize to get that light to cover edge to edge. Hope that makes sense.
Would you sell a GFX for a Leica ? Lol
@cammackey
Ай бұрын
Ooooof idk. They’re totally different cameras
Well how much money can you drop😂 3 leica cameras within a few weeks/months
You are looking for the look in the wrong places. You think the Leica look comes from the equipment. The Leica look is the look on your face when you check your bank balance after buying expensive Leica gear.
@cammackey
13 күн бұрын
Hahahaha I was like uh oh where is this going…. But to correct your statement in the beginning 😂 I’m not looking for the look in the equipment but more in the process!
@sebastiang7183
13 күн бұрын
@@cammackey From your videos it looks like you are located in the southwest. Where exactly?
"LOOK" = SOOC, not post edited/lut/extension/action.
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If you look at the work of Thorston Overgaard who is a Leica master, you will see that many of his photos look almost out of focus. Even the point of focus does not look as sharp as what one could achieve with other cameras and lenses. To me the Leica look is probably 100% due to the lens design. That is one reason I wouldn’t pay $1,600.00 for a Leica (Panasonic) D Lux 8 made in China. I don’t think it will give that Leica look.