This dude Trevor is rightly gonna be hated by his local disc golf community. Which makes his decision even dumber to me considering he owns or is affiliated with a local shop. If my local shop owner caused my best course to potentially be closed over a selfish frivolous suit i would never spend another cent there. Hope the local community tells him how they feel about this.

@rickfunk1355

Жыл бұрын

Many disc players in the Tampabay area are boycotting his shop due to this and the other prior information about him that was mentioned.

@bradlasseigne8436

Жыл бұрын

Most locals already didn't like them.

@chrism4008

Жыл бұрын

I would literally picket this scum bag's place of work every spare second that i had until he went out of business. Like, this is a straight up attack on all of disc golf from a supposed part of the community Unbelievable!!!

@rageoid

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Developer worked a deal with him financially ?

@Ancalagon0113

Жыл бұрын

Trevor is already strongly disliked by his local disc golf community. Many have already been boycotting Local Route for years because of his behavior.

How did this guy not work in the phrase "McCease and desist"?

@JeremiahBmayer

Жыл бұрын

It's all I could hear in my head! 😅😅

Imagine trying to seek damages for a bunch of “physical and mental” harm/injures and within 2 months win a disc golf tournament like wtf. Let’s go Mcbeth and Cease!!

@uncleberdo5706

Жыл бұрын

Pay/settle with Trevor for the 2 months of "life disabling-mental anguish-unable to perform regularly", Trevor was clearly at full capacity when winning a tournament and should either accept the litigation proposal and move on (or just quit?! even though he can play/win/file lawsuits/return to normal life.)

@paulmonson4052

Жыл бұрын

He also just traveled to California to play DeLaveaga

This lawsuit is a money grab, pure and simple.

@jackbrewdrums

Жыл бұрын

Name a lawsuit that isn’t!

@lubrew5862

Жыл бұрын

Yup, this video explains it fairly well. There is a lot of case law that shows when you enter events like this you know the risk and it’s up to you to protect yourself. At least in ball golf these lawsuits usually get tossed out pretty quickly once the people enter the courtroom.

@scottsharp1763

Жыл бұрын

Nope seemed pretty clear that is and was to BLOCK THE USGAE OF THE PROPERTY NOTHING ELSE, AS STATED IN THE VIDEO, if it had to do with money the stupid insecure moron should have STOPPED PLAYING EVENTS SO HE COULD HAVE A CASE ET ALL.,.

@MrSTAYUP33

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbrewdrums alex jones sandy hook

What a joke of a lawsuit.

@DannyFuego1Love

Жыл бұрын

Im from this area in FL and yes this kind of stuff just ruins DG for everyone. That's like joining the military, getting injuried on deployment then suing the Army, like what??? That's why no one takes Trevor serious, and these kind of actions will plague his brand for a long time coming.

Should rename the event to “throw him down the mountain” after such shameful behavior… 😅

I'll take "I no longer want disc golfers to shop at my big-ass disc golf store" for $500, Alex

Not only should the plaintiff lose the lawsuit, but I’d like to see McCease and/or Sunking countersue for the money lost by cancelling the tournament.

@danlewis1885

Жыл бұрын

They aren't cancelling tournament, they moving to a different course.

@cappaholic

Жыл бұрын

@@danlewis1885 Ah, right. Thanks for the correction. If any addl costs were involved in relocating though…

@tjseagrove

Жыл бұрын

Lose of enjoyment of the property

I lost it when I saw "loss of capacity for the enjoyment of life"

@craigwesnofske462

Жыл бұрын

Playing a round with Trevor actually does take away any enjoyment of life.

Throw Down the Mountain has the strictest waiver policy of any PDGA event I've attended. Due to the steep slopes and blind shots, everyone who enters the property, not just players, is stopped at a checkpoint, signs a waiver, and is given a wristband for the day or week.

Hey guys, if you own a disc golf shop, probably shouldn’t maliciously sue one of the most loved players from our era. Especially when your case is a complete sham. If I had this guy and another store nearby, I would go to anywhere else to buy discs

@chrisblair3081

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, makes me wanting to go in there wearing only mcbeth swag lol... bet he didn't pull any of Paul's line off the shelf either.

This guy/shop has a long history of questionable behavior. They are no strangers to shady situations. Most locals have avoided this shop for awhile. Hope his business suffers for this. Can't claim to be invested in disc golf and then sue when you get hit with a disc during a tournament. Bad look for sure.

@sfincione2000

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, so to maybe avoid this in the future, why not make a sort of pact that none of us ever use his store again under any circumstances. I mean, it would cause me mental harm if I had to give this douche money after him doing this. If he decides to retract the lawsuit, then maybe we go back to spending money there. Collective action is the only thing that will make him truly understand that actions have consequences. I've been hit by discs occasionally, usually some Am player who hasn't a clue but it has never entered my head to sue the course owners. McBeth has gotten his big payday because he's a great player and deserves the windfall 100%. This store owner guy... seems like he thinks he deserves a cut of Paul's money.

@niddddo

Жыл бұрын

@@sfincione2000Please do not go back to spending money there, even if he retracts the lawsuit. He has already shown his true character here, and in MANY other instances that people have mentioned. That’s not the type of person or business who deserves the community’s money or support. There are other local options much more deserving, such as PureLine in Pinellas, Saltwater Crew in Largo, or SunKing in New Port Richey.

@NFS305

Жыл бұрын

Florida y’all

@lubrew5862

Жыл бұрын

Looks like the he store is already deleting comments from their Facebook page. My guess is they are trying to hide the hate from the people that don’t know what one of the owners is doing. So proud of your money grab you have to hide.

I've heard that many local Tampabay disc players are boycotting his store due to this story.

@niddddo

Жыл бұрын

Many locals already refused to shop at his store (Local Route) even before this story. He has been known for shady practices for years now - This lawsuit was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

@Mark-ro5zg

Жыл бұрын

Yes. He shut down the facebook page because of all the negative comments including many from myself. I've spend several hundred dollars at that store over the past 4 months. #boycottlocalroute

Rule #1 when suing people: choose someone with money. If this course was owned by someone who was financially on their last leg, this lawsuit wouldn't be happening. Grift, plain and simple.

I lived in the Tampa Area for 7 years and visited his shop a few times for discs. One thing I know that he DOES do that I can confirm is that he will pay people to fish discs out of the local courses (find the story about the tampa disc golfer that got bit in the face by a gator in Clearwater and was back in the water a week later), and then charges the players to get the discs back from him. I know first hand that many of the people who get the discs from the water for him are druggies and just looking for the next way to get money and he provides that to them. As far as the largest disc golf shop, that is just straight up incorrect. I have visited several other shops and even the director of the TDTM tournament has more inventory than he does.

@Ballosopheraptor

Жыл бұрын

That's straight up theft. Even if the players "abandon" the property (the disc) on the course, that's private property and by default abandoned items on private property belong to the property owner. If a local course could prove this was happening without their approval, they'd have an open and shut case against him and anyone involved in the criminal conspiracy to commit serial theft.

@TristanGoetz

Жыл бұрын

@@Ballosopheraptor Well the courses aren’t privately owned. They are parks run by the county.

@Excrements

Жыл бұрын

@@Ballosopheraptor I get what you’re saying it would absolutely be awesome to see that butthole prosecuted for that, but do you understand the risk involved in retrieving those discs? As bad of a situation as it is, the squids deserve some compensation.

@kylesnyder3953

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ballosopheraptormost of the courses they get are public park spaces. I live 15 minutes from there. There's certainly mixed feelings; however it's a unique situation. Going into water with gators here is not something your average player will ever risk. There was a death last year in Largo for someone retrieving discs, killed by a gator. All that to say, there is some extra value in retrieving discs here.

@apinakapina

Жыл бұрын

@@TristanGoetz Still, the discs may be private property depending on where you reside. I would pay reasonable fee to get mine back (and even more gladly if it was some young frisbee golf player), but if someone tries to sell it back it might just fall over extortion / messing with lost property / theft. As I said, depending what the laws are.

I believe the TD also mentioned that the guy didn't even attempt to go through the insurance channels to resolve his claims. Seems like that would also be a bit suspect, no?

@Shanehrpka2

Жыл бұрын

This is correct.

@jreu2e

Жыл бұрын

Seems like a big deal to bypass the avenue that’s actually set up to help the injured party.

Before you go on the property you have to sign a waiver and wear a band while your on the property. Everyone understands the risk..

For the record, I have seen and talked to Trevor MULTIPLE times after this "injury" and he never mentioned any of it, and seemed to be just fine.

Thank you for your detailed breakdown of what is happening here. Much appreciated.

I worked the event. I live 20 mins from the course. We all had to sign a waiver. How does this even have a toe to stand on yet alone a foot

@tankmlee

Жыл бұрын

what is your professional opinion on the location Trevor was hit, is it dangerous? he is obviously hamming it up but im curious what his evidence is

@brettlangle58

Жыл бұрын

@@tankmlee any pad or basket could potentially be hit by someone with a big arm and bad throw on any course. This course in particular is really secluded on most pads but a few have potential. At the end of the day as on any course this is a possibility.

Trevor needs to McCease and desist!

Trevor Toenjes and Local Route disc golf store in FL have completed destroyed their reputation with this pathetic lawsuit. No one will ever shop from them again

LOL "people must get injured" 6:12 Z Melton taking a groin shot and then dies. Also thanks for including the Ricky W head shot on that improperly positioned spotter...

i know a guy that was on the card with him when this happened. no one on card saw or heard what happened and then when he went to tee off said he was dizzy and he was gonna dnf. Then he tried to get his phone out and film cardmates talking about it and they refused because no one witnessed the incident.

@chrism4008

Жыл бұрын

Oh WOW!

@Shanehrpka2

Жыл бұрын

Interesting was the guy Gary or Kory by chance?

@acollectorslifeforme4201

Жыл бұрын

I’m trying to figure out when and where he could’ve gotten hit. Hole 11 is the big downhill signature hole with the course logo. Hole 12’s tee box is nowhere near that hole. When playing hole 12 you could end up on hole 11’s fairway at some point but that seems like a misplay by the player. Hole 13 could be reached with an insanely errant throw from hole 11 I suppose. I honestly can’t picture where he would’ve gotten hit based on this info.

@jakebourassa

Жыл бұрын

@@acollectorslifeforme4201 he said in the video it was an Am layout, im not from the area so unfamiliar, but maybe that layout makes it more possible. Ive only seen the pro layouts on coverage

@danlewis1885

Жыл бұрын

@@jakebourassa The pros play a completely different hole #12 than the Ams. There's a long walk from 11 basket to 12 tee on Am layout, the 12 tee nowhere near 11 basket. I suppose someone could have thrown a drive from 11, which has a tee elevate 50+ feet above fairway, and hit him as he was walking to 12 tee. That would just be a guess.

Prediction: Trevor’s disc golf shop will go out of business due to a player boycott resulting from his lawsuit. He will then go on to sue himself for filing the lawsuit in the first place.

@Mark-ro5zg

Жыл бұрын

That's what all the locals are hoping for. I've shopped there many times in the last few months not knowing what a douche he really is. #boycootlocalroute

My neck! My back! My neck and my back!🤣

@LapoftheWorld

Жыл бұрын

Missed opportunity: My Proxy and my Kaxe 😅

I play that tournament every year, everybody that goes into that tournament knows the layout. There are risks that come with making the personal decision to play on that property. We all accept them when filling out our registration and the waiver. If he didn't want to take the risk he should never have played. Also there are plenty of capable, thoughtful staff and the tournament is run exceptionally well. It is a tournament in which flying discs are going in every direction. We all know that and know to be alert and cautious. These types of things happen and it is nobody's fault, this guy is obviously a shady fellow. Can we all please make sure that this guy's business fails and he is exposed for his corruption.

I would say that if someone is injured through negligence by the course owner or even staff that is one thing, but to be injured through the standard course of play activity is a risk assumed by each competitor. A landmark or installation not being installed properly that falls and hurts someone would be on the course to insure safety but being hit by the disc of another competitor during the course of play is an assumed risk. It's why "fore" is yelled when an errant shots occurs.

@crypt84

Жыл бұрын

If a teepad is close to a basket and people tell the TD that there is a huge risk before the tournament but being told not to worry about it then I could see a case being made. I was watching the Des Moines challenge earlier and there was a case of blind spike hyzer shots coming in to hole 14 and landing in spots where 15 tees off from (Luckily nothing happened). I fail the see the negligence in this case though

@lubrew5862

Жыл бұрын

That is pretty much how the courts have traditionally viewed these kind of cases. Heck in a city near me that has lots of tourists and a popular ball golf course. Someone’s car was hit by a ball and they tried to sue the course because they didn’t have anything to prevent it. The judge ruled that since the people in the car knew the course was there and I think they even played at the course, they knew the risk. Case was tossed.

Thank you for putting this out! Love all of your content.

Always impressed by your high quality content being released on short notice

They always have a "right" to sue, but the case doesn't seem to have merit. I am sure he is hoping that Mccease will settle out of court. But if I have a lawyer that I can pay... I would counter sue for defamation and take this to trial.... There is not much of a case here.

@ZipCasey

Жыл бұрын

Defamation suit can prove losses due to event movement from course. Any profit to other clubs could be measured as a result. Not to mention projected revenue from entry fees for practice if that is a thing...

@lubrew5862

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure between McBeth and Cease they have good enough lawyers to not worry about settling. Wouldn’t be to surprised if they did go after Trevor for a frivolous suit and damage to their reputation.

95% of those claims are 100% his lawyer trying to get him more money so he can get more money 🤣.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? This is a big part of what's wrong with our society, particularly in the US. You go out and play a sport, get a little boo-boo, then sue for loss of capacity for the enjoyment of life?! People need to grow up and stop trying to go for a big money grab anytime they get a boo-boo. FFS!

@Logan_MZR

Жыл бұрын

I blame this all on the lady that sued McDonald’s because her hot coffee she spilled on herself…. That’s where this shit began lol

Fantastic presentation. I really didn't expect to find this so interesting, but you had my attention the whole time (not easy for anyone to do). The plaintiff seems to be an absolute joke, and I do hope there's some sort of counter from McCease LLC.

Local Route is a blight on the Florida disc golf scene. Hopefully McBeth will countersue and make an example of Trevor.

@Blonkinman

Жыл бұрын

🙏

Thanks! I was waiting on this.

I'm not sure what his injury was, but several of his claims seem a bit outlandish. I think Doc Holiday said it best... "There is no normal life, Wyatt... there's just life. Now get on with it."

Nice summary of the issue. Thank you. The word frivolous comes to mind. Cannot imagine supporting this guy's business if I lived in the area. Appears that the injuries did not affect his disc golf form at all.

When the judge on this case sees all of these injury, mental anguish and loss of earnings claims by this Trevor guy and then learns he played 2 tournaments two months later and winning one of them, he'll laugh this case right out of the court house.

What is this supposed serious injury may be he tripped over a daisy, he sees the new owners as a ticket to riches. If as I suspect he is not seriously injured I hope looses the case and has costs awarded against him.

Let's keep it a Disc Golf course!! Go Mcbeth and Cease!

Great job as always Chris!

Local route will no longer be my local store. Disappointing because they have a such a large selection from almost every manufacturer. But if their values aren’t as good as the selection it just isn’t worth it. Smh. I hope McCease buys Local route to show them who’s boss here.

@ronjones-6977

Жыл бұрын

No! That would put money in his pocket. Open a NEW store right next to his and drive him under.

@Cory2G

Жыл бұрын

@@ronjones-6977 that’s a much better idea. Big brain 🧠

@bobbykgb

Жыл бұрын

I will no longer patronize Local Route.

@richardjay5622

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great place to check out different discs, spend time browsing the selection, and purchasing what you want elsewhere.

@NFS305

Жыл бұрын

Curb your enthusiasm does this

Nikko made comments about Trevor having a history of being an outright thief - refusing to pay for merchandise or honoring agreements with multiple parties (including Nikko), each of which for thousands of dollars.

@TyCampbellTX

Жыл бұрын

He has a sketchy history for sure.

@erictriplett33

Жыл бұрын

Where could I learn more about what Nikko said?

@richardjay5622

Жыл бұрын

@@erictriplett33 Nikko left a review for the store's Google Maps location. Here is the review: "I would highly recommend staying away from this store location. The owner of the company Trevor is notorious for ripping people off in the disc golf community. He stole 58,000 worth of discs from Clash Discs and refused to pay his bill for 5,800 products sent to the store location. This business owner and Mason Bailey sold these discs at wholesale and retail and kept the money for theirselves. Local Route also directly ripped me off of a sponsorship deal still owes me over $2,500. Trevor the owner also stole discs from Kastaplast and refused to pay his bill with this company as well for over $30,000. These are known facts not accusations. The owner of this business is truly a thief and I wouldn’t support anything he’s involved in ever again. The truth needs to be known to the disc golf world. Trevor Toenjes is a thief and a liar, He’s currently getting sued by multiple companies right now for stealing products without paying his dept then using that stolen money to reinvest in other products."

@pmac7641

Жыл бұрын

@@erictriplett33 I saw it posted as a screenshot on a facebook group. I assume the original post was a tweet or something but I'm not sure TBH, sorry mate :(

@erictriplett33

Жыл бұрын

@@pmac7641 I actually was able to find it on another channel. I think it was Iceberg TV's channel.

As a Clearwater local, and previous customer this situation sucks. Sadly never got to play the throw down the mountain and now the future of the course is in jeopardy. Also, my returns typically show up at his shop so that blows. It's a hit I'll have to take rather than supporting them. Hope Paul and Cease rebound strong and battle forward with their plans to maintain the course and property. Good luck all.

He seems to be okay on facebook, hosting and playing disc golf events almost every week.

I’ve dealt with these types of lawsuits working on the outdoor industry. Waivers and assumption of risk take a backseat to insurance needs. Then the courts have to determine if there was any form of negligence of the part of those being sued. Usually there isn’t anything and the court rules in favor of the defendant. Sometimes they find something…and that’s where it gets scary for course owners/managers and tournament directors. I think there are lots of courses that are poorly designed (I’m not saying Gran Canyon is one. I’ve never been there). And the poor design makes it way to easy for errant shots to cause damage (to person or property). And at a government/management level it’s better to just take the course and the risk out then to deal with the potential lawsuits. If you have those courses on your local areas where it’s highly likely an errant shot could hit someone or something…start looking at a redesign.

Nice, two videos in two days!

Well done. Thank you

This person was as familiar with this course as anyone and chose to return this year to play the event again knowing the risks. If he felt the course wasn’t being maintained, etc as he stated in his lawsuit, he didn’t have to remain on the property and continue to participate.

Irony is people have got hit by discs at events Trevor organized....

Thanks for the info! It's safe to ask for reimbursement for the injuries and hospital bills. To straight up try to sue for everything is ridiculous.

@lubrew5862

Жыл бұрын

That’s why the PDGA and most other organizations have insurance. But if it’s a money grab you can’t go the insurance route they will only pay for medical and actual expenses. If you are just a jack-wagon looking for money then lawsuit is the way to go. But I highly doubt McCease LLC has lawyers that will want to settle since there is so much caselaw in their favor.

Thank you for the information. I hope the "injured" gentleman will rethink his lawsuit, and drop it, since it seems a bit frivolous and petty. Getting hurt is no fun, but, it is obvious there is no permanent "damage," since he played and won not long after his injury. I think people are seeing the big money out there in disc golf now, and this may drive some people to try and profit from that. I am sure it will all work out in the end, though. Keep up the good work.

Catchcam Dave had more courage than this.

@Riannacaswell1

Жыл бұрын

Yep 😂

So this guy is basically an ambulance chaser.

@fodank

Жыл бұрын

His lawyer is the guy throwing in all the standard language to make it sound as though his client was so grievously damaged that he had to have a brain transplant and woke up not knowing who he was. They're both looking for the deep pockets payout. Can't believe anyone is talking to either of them, no less patronising that disc store.

This lawsuit will be thrown out ASAP. There is absolutely no way it'll get anywhere

Frivolous lawsuit

Im playing in this tournament in a few weeks and was super disappointed to hear that it’s be moved to the Quarry instead of the Throw Down course. Never played there before and was really looking forward to it. Dude making the lawsuit is a certified jabroni.

@Riannacaswell1

Жыл бұрын

That's disappointing! I hope you have a great tournament regardless.

@ronjones-6977

Жыл бұрын

Stop by his shop and tell him thanks!

@johnnycupofcoffee

Жыл бұрын

Quarry is a fun course.

@robertcothern7504

Жыл бұрын

With the quarry being a much shorter course it’s the the perfect setup for a glow round tournament to avoid the sweltering heat.

Jeez he just put everything possible on list of complaints

McCease LLC is such a cool name

This is why we can't have nice things

Good, clear explanation of the basis for the pleading. The question is always the motivation. Could be that simple motive of personal entitlement-“Ow, I got hurt! Pay me” Given some of the factual difficulties in proving damages that you described, that motive seems pretty shaky. Who benefits from shutting the course down?

Thanks for the update, enjoyed it, as usual. Can't understand why tournament cancelled for 2023 ? Lawsuits occur commercially all the time and businesses do not shut down during their pendency. Sometimes they change some operational procedures. Insurance issue ? McBeth shuts it down himself ? Another commenter on another channel suggested this possibility as a way for McCease to draw attention to the situation and create public awareness about what was going on. Makes some sense as well. Developer "involved" with Trevor ?

@deepsender

Жыл бұрын

If they hold the next tournament and move some tees, or install new barriers or nets for safety, they may be admitting negligence or blame. Chris Clark might know.

@Blonkinman

Жыл бұрын

Insurance won't cover you if the property is already under lawsuit.

Only way I could see he would have a leg to stand on is if multiple people were like, “Hey, this tee pad is not in a safe location.”

Great video! I had no idea of this. Hard to determine the validity of the suit but based on Trevor competing 2 months after that is suspect

I have bought discs from that establishment. Let's boycott this store. I'm never spending money there again

People like this guy are going to ruin it for the rest of us!

Couple things. You have to sign a waiver just to be on the property. They jand iut wrist bands to show proof of signature. Also, Trevor runs a disc golf in the ball park last i knew at the Phillies training center. Wonder how the Phillies feel about Trevors litigation.

@uofajoe99

Жыл бұрын

Waivers can sometimes not matter at all. I ran an amusement restaurant for over a decade. Signing a waiver at these places, trampoline park, play area etc is basically just for show. If someone is negligent (not saying they were in this case) it doesn't matter if a waiver was signed. Insurance usually takes care of these things and that usually means settling and paying, which will make the premium skyrocket. I've paid millions extra in insurance because a lady went down a twisty slide with her shoes on and broke her ankle.

The signing of the waiver is the biggest key in all of this, he already acknowledged everything that could have happened

@MonkeyFreeZone

Жыл бұрын

One would think it common sense that when you enter a disc golf tournament, there will be participants of different skill levels throwing discs during the tournament. Even well-thrown discs are often (t)re-directed to an unintended flight path. There's probably more to the story, but I can't see the plaintiff being able to meet the burden of proof in this case.

Trevor is just looking for his "15 Minutes Of Fame",... dudes gonna end up with 15 years of Hell from every disc golfer. 😂😂😂🎉🎉

i literally played the ma40 event a few weeks before this happened , yes we sign a waiver , we even sign one for practice rounds. the course is beautiful and you definitely assume the risks even playing there let alone the terrain between holes. people are throwing off of cliffs some of which are 75 ft high....yea it is possible someone threw an errant throw and were probably yelling fore the whole time. accidental yes....negligent on the tournament itself ? absolutely NO. im proud of all the loal volunteers that give up their day to come help out to the best of their ability.

Just like workers comp claims, he was active in disc golf after the lawsuit. It’ll get thrown out.

Guess his shop isnt making enough money selling pauls discs or swag... so hes gonna sue the guy for something that wasnt his fault... what a tool bag, hopefully karma sorts this one out for us!

Only in us... In the rest of the world people know the risks and accept them or won't participate in the activity

Trevor's been reading too many John Grisham novels😂

Trevor sounds like the type of person to sue a restaurant for being served wet water.

In before it comes out that the real estate developer is covering this guy's legal fees because hes pissed he didn't get his land.

And I'll be sure to never support the Local Route Disc Golf store if I happen across the chance. Loser.

If the player was injured and truly incurred costs, that is sad to hear. But, he should seek repayment from the PDGA insurance policy. There is implicit risk when you play on a disc golf course, or a ball golf course, or when you play any athletic sport. I would love to know about legal precedence in similar ball golf scenarios. It is unjust to view this as negligence, especially for the owners of the recently-acquired property, who did not design the course, in my opinion. Also has the tournament operated successfully without injury previously?

If tournament directors in the future are going to possibly face lawsuits for things that happen on the course. I can see less and less of us wanting to be tournament directors. It's not worth the risk. Nor can any of us that our tournament directors afford to be hit with a lawsuit for something that was out of our control.

@seanmeier7953

Жыл бұрын

That is why liability insurance is a requirement. My local club also carries their own with the courses used listed on the policy. This hack just wants a payday since he has no control over who is buying/developing the land.

Seems like a money grab to me

Some talk online about numerous injuries at his ball park (?) tournament over the years. He might need to hope those injured people dont gun for him

I have bought many discs at Local Route. It is a nice store. Paul did an appearance there a few months ago in the store. Bizzare. Trevor signed a waiver. He has no case. Suicide for his store. Sad.

@rageoid

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a behind the scenes deal ? With Land Developer ? Or maybe Trevor's business underwater and needs cash, sees this as a possible settlement ? Store suicide, as you mention, seems likely, so it does not make sense without some unseen agenda ?

@chrism4008

Жыл бұрын

I think its more of a good thing than sad, especially after hearing all the other scams hes run. Dude is a predator

Do you think there could be some insurance contingency that made the filing necessary, or is that not a thing? (ex. insurance industry, no law experience here but have anecdotally heard of this in motorsports arena).

@chrism4008

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he just wants to get rich instead of being reimbursed the 12 dollars for his pain and suffering. This dude needs excised from the community

Ask for dismissal as it falls under the PDGA insurance. Claims need to be submitted there.

Is McCease even the right party to sue? Why not sue the event organizer/TD and his assistent? Does not kake sense for me. And why has that a affect if the course can be played or not? This is an organization issue and not that the property is a hazard itself? Did he also sue the person how threw the disc that hit him for not warning him?

@guitarralegendo

Жыл бұрын

Because McCease is where the money is at. They let Mike Barnett do his thing for this past year and design the course like always has and once Dylan and Paul could get together in the off-season they were going to put in their own permanent design. I think a big part of this is Trevor feels like he should be a part of it and if he can't have nice things then no one can.

@romanpfarrhofer

Жыл бұрын

@@guitarralegendo I know why Trevor tries to do this, but why is this even accepted as a court case?

I will no longer be getting any disc from local route. I used to stock up when I would go to throw down, but never again.

Why no mention of how this lawsuit affects the ability to carry out disc golf play or events at Grand Canyon? Just because there is a lawsuit against a property owner, it does not mean activities cannot occur on said property unless there is an injunction. There has been no mention of any court orders or injunctions against disc golf being played on the property.

@ronjones-6977

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing that if they "fix" or change anything, they could be seen as admitting guilt. If they go on as usual and "something" else happens, that could be used against them also. I'm not a lawyer, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.....a couple years ago.

@bobbykgb

Жыл бұрын

​@@ronjones-6977nice.

@Blonkinman

Жыл бұрын

Finding insurance to cover you while there's a lawsuit on the property is the hard.

@Blonkinman

Жыл бұрын

Part. Lol

Should be an open & shut case! There aren't any fine lines in checking the injury/death waiver box. Unless, maybe an animal attack occurs. Unforementioned

There was four weekends this year I believe. Probably over 400 competitors, one got hurt. Odds are not in his favor of his claims

@DanaSmith87

Жыл бұрын

734 competitors this year.

I doubt anything will come of this unless realty developers are backing big money lawyers in order to stop it from becoming a course. Even then it seems like they are reaching to make a case. The only thing I can think of is if the hole being thrown at was way too close to the tee where this dude was, and they (basket and tee) were wide open with no barrier trees. Even then, a substantially errant throw (that it likely would have been) should not make the course owners liable, as pointed out, because there is an inherent risk in being on a disc golf course. This kind of thing (errant shots) happens on ball golf courses all the time, as well as many other sports.

Not much of a case if he said he had all that happen but yet went on to play 2 more tournaments a couple months later and played super well

@ronjones-6977

Жыл бұрын

Sandbagger and douche-bag in one package.

frivolous lawsuits like these piss me off

Well, if he DID have the largest disc golf pro shop, then.... having 'bud lighted' himself..., he will most likely see a drop in sales.

This lawsuit is the ultimate douchebaggery! I hope he loses everything 😠

Can I just say that our legal system with its civil suits is pretty much sucking the life and productive capacity out of our country. Seriously.

Disfigured 🤣 I gotta see this!

Niko has direct experience with this guy not paying bills to the tune of the tens of thousands. Dude's a crook. Judge needs to dismiss the case and have him pay all plaintiff costs. Got hit by a disc, says he can't enjoy his life's hobby, then wins a tournament. Seriously?! Lock him up.

Curious - is there any link between Trevor and the development company wanting to purchase the property? Crazy if they are somehow connected - like Trevor reached out after getting nailed or vice versa.....

I want to know a couple of things, one was the plaintiff trying to buy the property, the other thing is, was the plaintiff part of the devolepers group or had money invested in the group