is a witch a divine being??

@caseyhandley-mitchell3783

Жыл бұрын

So like if a supreme kai is involved in a potara fusion its sometimes permanent

@steakcakegrillbake5444

Жыл бұрын

It’s always permenant they used dragon balls to undo kibito and shin. But for non kais it 1 hour. + the which could probably do magic so makes sense

@jordanglasper1064

Жыл бұрын

On a technicality no when referring to an earthling, but if you’re referring to a different species of witch, then possibly yes.

@WarriorConsole

Жыл бұрын

I mean, why would she be in the land of the kais if she wasn’t?

@demi-femme4821

Жыл бұрын

Well, you see, this backstory was created before they decided that Potara fusion isn't permanent for mortals for the sake of plot. They literally had no reason to do this. They could've had Vegeta learn the Fusion Dance and used Gogeta instead.

Guess he liked his new form so he decided to stay that way.

@richardsmall8940

Жыл бұрын

Magic as well as kai immortality and abilities......if he wasnt aged it wouldnt be so bad

@stillwaifu5505

Жыл бұрын

Kais can't unfuse

@Sungura_Kaiser

Жыл бұрын

@@stillwaifu5505 Porunga can undo fusions.

@alexl9334

Жыл бұрын

It probably is the reason why he was sealed away by beerus. Too careless and so he sealed him away but since they were fused after a certain time they just absorbed themselves and never unfused. Like how majin buu and grand kai are now one being

@TheUltimateFusionwarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@stillwaifu5505 we literally saw supreme kai unfuse

So did he gain the name old Kai after fusing? I guess the witch name was old witch? Also if he became more Pervy after fusing with the witch does that imply the witch was a horny lesbian?

@TechStarr

Жыл бұрын

so many questions indeed my friend lmao

@TheShadowspear2

Жыл бұрын

Nah I think it's his personality was more dominant than the witch since he's a Kai but got the witch's knowledge of different techniques.

@goobot1

Жыл бұрын

I think he was looking at girly mags before the fusion so he was always a pervert

@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq

Жыл бұрын

I think she was referring to the witch of gluttony or lust. That's a thing that goes back well before re:zero

@MultiverseRaidenWarriors

Жыл бұрын

​@@TechStarrunfunny

in the episode, he explained that he liked it because he had more magical powers and knowledge with the fusion so he never unfused

@Web720

11 ай бұрын

Does that mean the witch is basically gone?

@hike8932

11 ай бұрын

@@Web720 "When they fuse, they become a completely different being with the old traits of the both characters and magnifies their power" -Trunks, Db gt this is just the fusion dance but im assuming its the same with the potaras

@maxmanchik

11 ай бұрын

​​@@hike8932Yeah. With potara fusion the same happens. It's not just 2 people acting as one, it's an entirely new being created from fusion of the traits and abilities of these 2 people

@vereor7869

11 ай бұрын

not even he literally said to goku when he asked how do i unfuse ? the kai said "you cant. dont you think i would have done it by now" i watched this episode like 2 weeks ago lol

@hike8932

11 ай бұрын

@@vereor7869 supreme kai and kabuto kai:

I think as a fused entity they are a new being, a being that does not want to cease to exist.

@astrology_2

Жыл бұрын

Like gogeta and vegito?

@PaladinRhombus

Жыл бұрын

I think with God's it's different and become the dominant personality like with shins fusion he was just shin with kibitos height and hair

@technolus5742

Жыл бұрын

@@astrology_2 Exactly! They pretty much said it themselves.

@mrpepper8383

Жыл бұрын

@@PaladinRhombusAnd for Zamasu, Goku black and Kai Zamasu were the same so Zamasu’s personality didn’t change

@Montaq_

11 ай бұрын

A real Tuvix situation

Or he could’ve just…Taken his earring off before fusing

@YamisRandom

Жыл бұрын

😂das wat I’m sayin

@SorenPrime

Жыл бұрын

​@@YamisRandomsuper sayin

@SavantPete

Жыл бұрын

It's kinda like the dice have been thrown when the earrings are put on

@Omnipulsar

Жыл бұрын

There divine beings remember? Common sense doesn't apply to them

@hidan407

10 ай бұрын

​@@Omnipulsardamn, you really summed up 95% of every divine being ever created 😅😅😅

I guess he liked the boost in magical abilities and has no time to unfuse. Even if he did, the Z-Fighters may need someone else to gain the Ultimate form, so he stays that way just in case

@godslayerace9205

Жыл бұрын

Divine beings cant unfuse

@mdincorporated

Жыл бұрын

@@godslayerace9205 remember Shin and Kibito fused in the Buu Saga? Then in Super they went to Namek and used the dragon balls to unfuse. Without use of the dragon balls it would have been permanent, I think that was the case in GT. They were still fused in that show

@icetrey8662

11 ай бұрын

Not many characters can take advantage of ultimate form. Most of them train enough up already have their full potential on top. But now that I think about it, Ultimate Broly would be pretty messed up.

@zanafer

5 ай бұрын

Shadow the Hedgehog?

Why he didn't think of anything to unfuse?? Because he severed his purpose by glazing Gohan making him relevant to the story again and his character arc ended right there. Yours Truely, Akira Toriyama

@lancecoleman6684

Жыл бұрын

?

@ultima99xib

Жыл бұрын

That is a severe misuse of the word "severed" I'm guessing English isn't your first language

@icetrey8662

11 ай бұрын

On the other end of the spectrum, he could of had Gohan training those 7 years. Making any other characters involvement useless because Gohan would of lapped them in terms of power.

@raslipmugfrud2040

11 ай бұрын

I'm more curious about the word choice "glazing" 🤔 😏

@Plsrateeight

8 ай бұрын

A lot of you don't actually watch the show or read the mangas do you?

And apparently he failed art school twice

@mrszczurek

10 ай бұрын

That's a good one

@Ollyatlas

5 ай бұрын

​@@mrszczurek moustache

He could have just removed his other earring before she put it on

@Alex_Fishman

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, I don't think you would know at which exact second someone is eating the lunch that you traded in the cafeteria, same with those earrings

@bastionsea2829

Жыл бұрын

​@@Alex_Fishmansimply remove the second earring when the first is stolen

@montelt7103

Жыл бұрын

@@Alex_Fishman I’m pretty sure you’d notice if someone removed one of your earrings. I mean it literally hangs on his ear, how would he not notice that?

@LordRazer3

11 ай бұрын

​@@montelt7103...dude people lose ear rings out of there ear and never return to find it. So yes it getting stolen can easily go unnoticed

@montelt7103

11 ай бұрын

@@LordRazer3 Are you seriously comparing store bought earrings to earrings that are basically a divine artifact tied to their very culture? Those things are incredibly important. He’s notice, at least he should’ve. Especially since his job is all about being observant to the happenings of the universe, so his observation skills should’ve been more than high enough to notice.

In dbs they say that potara is permanent if a supreme kai is involved. Thats why zamazu was merged for good when he absorbed goku black

@RandomPerson-qg7yq

Жыл бұрын

DBS Manga Fused Zamasu: _Casually semi-defuses_

@IsDatTreyy

Жыл бұрын

Super dragon balls

@jasonone8726

11 ай бұрын

But Zamasu and Black defused in the manga.

@thatoneguyintheback5095

11 ай бұрын

​@@jasonone8726because in the Manga he is not considered a Supreme Kai, considering he was still just a apprentice. The Anime however considers him a Supreme Kai

@richardmerlau4926

11 ай бұрын

I mean the witch is a separate entity where as goku black and zamazu are the same person. Goku black is just zamazu who stole gokus body. So I mean maybe that matters also

This is one of the most unexplained mysteries of Dragon Ball, this was made to imply that the Kaioshins don't age and the only reason why he looks old was because he fused with a witch, but later in DBS Gowasu appeared confirming that Kaioshins do age.

@PivotDJ

Жыл бұрын

did kabito not look old?

@ParadiseDB7

Жыл бұрын

No, it was made to imply that this is why HEEEEEE looked old 🤦‍♂️ Nothing more, you looked too deeply into it

@DarkShadow-pe6ud

Жыл бұрын

@@PivotDJ Kibito is not a Kaioshin

@DarkShadow-pe6ud

Жыл бұрын

@@ParadiseDB7 did you watched it in Japanese?

@ParadiseDB7

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkShadow-pe6ud it doesn't matter dude, stop with this dumb tired sub vs dub debate nobody cares

If my memory serves me correct elder Kai specifically said the Batora fusion is permanent. That’s why there was no way he could and do this spell or a magic if you well. I definitely would’ve got the dragon balls and reversed to spell magic in order to see old Kai revert into Young Kai separating the witch from him.. but I’m not gonna lie elder Kai is hilarious, he is a character I absolutely love he’s like what would happen if Master Roshi became a wiser elder Sage but was a divine being lol.

@vegeta2998

Жыл бұрын

That leaves the plothole of serpreme kai. He used the balls to unfuse hinself

@tetragaming6332

11 ай бұрын

@@vegeta2998 not a plot hole, death is supposed to be permanent, but events have shown, permanent excludes magic wish granting orbs. Old Kai is from a time where Dragonball access was complicated (not having a local set), and he just doesn’t want to unfuse

@Yasuda9000

9 ай бұрын

In Dragon Ball Super, Supreme Kai Shin and Kibito were able to separate their fusion by using the Namekian Dragon Balls. So they could do the same thing with Old Kai, but Old Kai seems to be okay with his fusion as he has more magical powers because of it. That and the pervert personality probably won't let him defuse.

@sugarbeef

7 ай бұрын

Didn't one of the Vegeta/Goku fusion forms using the Potara earrings eventually undo itself because the earrings can only handle so much power or something? So, if that's the case then the witch and Kai here are pretty weak for the fusion to last this long.

@jordanglasper1064

7 ай бұрын

@@sugarbeef that’s technically not true. That is a theory they came up with in verse as an answer to why they unfused. But there’s something to the story that everyone missed. Goku and Vegeta unfused because they were inside of Super Buu’s body. Majin Buu is Magical/ Mystical eternal Divine Being. Made up of evil chi/ “ki.” The Potara earrings are made up of “Kaioshin ki” energy. That represents good “ki”. Majin Buu’s ki is evil. Majin Ki + Kaioshin ki = disconnect. The Majin magic/energy is more potent and more powerful. Thus, causing what was supposed to be a permanent fusion, to deactivate because the Kai energy a.k.a. the Potarra earrings are inside the body of Super Buu. This cancels out their magical/mystical energy-based ability. Kid Buu is The Original and most powerful form of Majin Buu. The Supreme Kai, Shin explained Kid Buu’s backstory. Originally there was Kid Buu. An unstoppable force of nature. He killed The Female Supreme Kai. He then moved onto the Strongest, In this battle he absorbed this Kaioshin. The process of absorbing a Kai for the very first time caused him to become more violent in nature, but each and every absorption weakened his power level from its original 100% state. This is what we refer to as Buff Buu. Who was far more powerful than Super Buu. Buff Buu vs The Daikaioshin (Fat One). Buff Buu absorbed The Daikaioshin. This changed Buff Buu once again. It is critical to point out in this changing process, Buff Buu transformed into Fat Buu. Also in this transitional process he became exponentially weakened even more. This form of Majin Buu gained A conscience. This also in advertently saved the universe. Because he now had an influence of good within the evil. Every time boo absorbed a Kaioshin it weakened his power level significantly. Notice there is a difference between when Super Buu Absorbed a Saiyan or a Namekian. Specifically absorbing a Saiyan and or a Namekian made Super Buu Stronger. Versus Kid Buu absorbing any Kaioshin made him weaker. Kai Energy + Majin Energy does not mix. This will cause an unnatural process to happen between the Majin Ki and The Kaioshin Ki. Thus causing Evil “ki” (Majin Magic/ Buu) good “ki” (Kaioshin themselves or anything from them) to have adverse affects/ effects on each other.

So there are witches just hanging out on the same planet as the Kai, they just come and go as they please?

@Alex_Fishman

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that stealing a Divine being's earrings counts as "hanging out"

@Bruelax11

Жыл бұрын

@@Alex_Fishman so this asshole is reading a book and some bitch comes up and steals his earring. Isn’t he supposed to be the equivalent to a god of destruction? How did he let her get that close? Did he not notice? I strongly believe that when it comes to anything Kai related it becomes completely stupid. Like why do the Kai only operate on the plane of the dead? King Kai has never left his planet he knows instant transmission and taught Goku all the good stuff. And he can die apparently… why do we need like 10 Kai on the creation side but 1 on the destruction side…. Is Beerus Morgoth and the other gods are the remaining Valar?

@PivotDJ

Жыл бұрын

I mean space traveling characters are known in universe. Also the Kai planet isnt on another plane of existence, its a physical planet so not out of the ordinary.

@Bruelax11

Жыл бұрын

@@PivotDJ yes it is

@molybdaen11

Жыл бұрын

Witches are knoen to mess with the gods. In dragon ball we saw one going in and out of the afterlife while still alive.

The fact they've stayed like that for so long makes one wonder if it's a symbiotic relationship at this point, if they're in a relationship in another way, or if there's a deeper reason for the refusal to de-fuse given the old witch likely by now has knowledge known by kai.

@ANexus21

Жыл бұрын

Also technically we have seen defusion with kais in dbz but that is only due to both parties in the scenario being kaioshin.

Just a reminder: Chronoa is apparently only slightly younger than him.

@crystalkasumi3281

10 ай бұрын

I mean have you seen her Power of Time Unleashed form?

I always figured he was lying about the Witch, and that was what he really looked like. "Sure old man. You're definitely just a pure, pretty boy who got screwed over by a random Witch that showed up in the divine realm and stole your earing."

i just watched the dbs episode again with vegito today so don’t forget it’s not just a fusion between kai’s that are permanent the dub at least specifically says a fusion INVOLVING a kai is permanent. even if new old kai didn’t like it if the dub is exact there’s nothing he could do to unfuse

@BaconNuke

8 ай бұрын

Didn't Kibito Kai unfuse? And it was via a wish or something

@jarretirish7281

8 ай бұрын

@@BaconNuke yeah they made an offscreen wish. can’t confirm but supposedly in the manga it was around the u6 tournament arc

@deckzone3000

20 сағат бұрын

Wtf does DBS have to do with DBZ?

@jarretirish7281

20 сағат бұрын

@@deckzone3000 what series did the ‘potara fusion Isnt permanent for mortals’ rule coke from?

Just realized only J Jonah Jameson and Old Kai can pull off that mustache

@lVaderl55

Ай бұрын

And of course Hi-

He got more power a Chaplin stache and got a personality out of it, nothing but a net win

As long as 1 of the fused beings is divine it will be permanent

@liveandletdie138

Жыл бұрын

Kibito and the supreme kai unfused in super, forgot what the method was though

@TheSikaark

Жыл бұрын

Dragon balls probably

@Fat_Man_Ethan

Жыл бұрын

@@liveandletdie138 in the anime they used the dragon balls but in the manga its because they felt like it

@ParadiseDB7

Жыл бұрын

@@Fat_Man_Ethan you have that completely backwards my guy

@liveandletdie138

Жыл бұрын

@@Fat_Man_Ethan really? That's strange, usually the manga has the better explanation for things like this lol

I think he never thought to unfuse because the being is a new entity that isn't 100% like the Supreme Kai

Or toriyama basically forgot he added that to the story as he does have a history on forgetting stuff or rewriting stuff in the story

@Plsrateeight

8 ай бұрын

Doubt he forgot he just already explained stuff ages ago and ppl keep confusing abridged lore.

@sawhunter117

8 ай бұрын

@@Plsrateeight the man literally forgot launch was a character and he thought super Saiyan 3 was actually 2 he even forgot the name of his series that's why dragon Ball Super superheroes has two supers in it the man has a history of forgetting or rewriting things in dragon Ball

I’m guessing the old witch and Kai had a thing going on

could just wish from the dragon baller G to make him look youthful again

@darkmareplayz5061

Жыл бұрын

Or to unfuse him

@divine1ne564

Жыл бұрын

​@@darkmareplayz5061But that will change everything since he has more knowledge about the potara fusion and more magical abilities, so probably making him more youthful would be the perfect way to go

@darkmareplayz5061

Жыл бұрын

@@divine1ne564 but old kai said that he hates the witch

@JackOfen

11 ай бұрын

Old Kai is very against using the Dragon Balls.

My guess is that when the old Kai fused there was no way to unfuse them. He did say it happened many thousands of years ago, so maybe items like the dragon balls didn't exist yet. I think that by the time the dragon balls came into existence, he had gotten used to his form, and chose to stay that way since it did have some actual benefits. Or maybe the old witch part really enjoyed being fused with a god of creation, and it overpowered the Kai part, so he decided to stay fused.

Back before they retconned the Potara fusion from being permanent barring unusual circumstances like entering a place where normal laws of physics don't apply to only permanent if at least one fusee was a Kaioshin

Theoretically Vegeta can now unfuse them if for some reason he wanted to because of spirit fission

Old kai before he fused was pretty hot not gonna lie.

So is the Old Supreme Kai intersex now because he fused with an old female witch?

Kind of creates a plothole with Super's Manga, since Vegito points out that because Goku Black and Zamasu weren't both Kais or at least in the bodies of Kais, their fusion would split up.

@bastionsea2829

Жыл бұрын

I thought they were both Kai Different universes

So does this mean the witch is a godly person since they didn’t unfuse?

@ParadiseDB7

Жыл бұрын

Yes bud clearly the WITCH is the godly one in the fusion and not the literal god 🤦‍♂️

@shibathesamurai9893

Жыл бұрын

No. Potara fusion is permanent when at least one of the fusees is a Kai.

Akira toryama- let’s make there be an old supreme Kai. Akiras editor- gods are immortal Akira toryama- ok he fused with an old hag

He should've taken the other one off immediately when she snatched the first, it's irresponsible to take them off one at a time anyway.

Her power must have been more important to him than his youthful looks.

BRUH HE JUST WANTED THAT SENIOR DISCOUNT 🤣 💀💀

How did a random witch get access to the supreme kai planet in the first place?

@jdrmanmusiqking

Жыл бұрын

Witches >>>> most divine beings Baba can travel through dimensions at will. Whether in the After-life or living realm they can do stuff Kai's cant

Baba is a fortune teller. She somehow has the ability to bring people back to life for a day. Only the Dragon balls & Divine beings have been shown to bring people back to life

@PivotDJ

Жыл бұрын

True but kais literally create life maybe their powers combined bring dead beings back to life.

Bro basically became roshi 2.0😭😭😭

They came up with that on the spot since at first old kai was just simply an old kai trapped in a sword for a long ass time. Thats what i hated about the buu saga. They just kept pulling stuff out their ass to milk it

most likely the which had the dominate personality, and she wouldn't want to unfuse.

You're forgetting the most important thing, the Old Kai hated the use of the dragon balls and to use it on himself would be a stretch

I feel like that’s just the kind of thing made for comedic purpose that should never be taken seriously

The permanence of fusion got retconned.

Bro could just wished to be unfused with the dragon balls.

They never unfused cuz back then the potra fusion was written to be permanent. I always figured Vegito splitting was just a failsafe to ensure Buu never absorbed a potra fusion.

He gained more powers, and discovered Hustler and Playboy, of course he's not un-fusing. He also became "more pervy" to try to prove to everyone that fusing with a woman didn't make him gay without straight up saying it, stirring people up

I’m pretty sure that the fusion is permanent since Old Kai is a Kai.

Bro was hitting that witch from the back fr

The old witch part of old kai probably doesn't want to unfuse so that is why he doesn't want to unfuse.

I’m just concerned about the mustache he has. But that doesn’t mean he’s that Austrian

If I recall right if fused with a Kai you're fused forever.... Knowing this why didn't he just taken it off??? No one will ever know!

he needed is self a wicked witch

And that is why the Kais don’t like mortals on their home planet

Bro could have asked shenron to defuse but I guess he is scared of the consequences

What if this witch is the reason he got into a disagreement with Beerus in the first place? this begs more questions

My best guess is that, following vegito/gogeta logic, the old Kai is a separate being with similar traits to the Kai and the witch but not simply the two mushed together. Basically the “I am neither goku nor vegeta, I am the one who will destroy you” except trade out the sayains with the Kai and witch and “destroy” with “train”

Now i know why the old kai as the potara earings

It was eventually retconned that potara fusion was only permanent with kais. Now how the old hag witch got to the sacred world of the kais in the first place is beyond me.

Now that I think about it.. Fused Zamasu is the same thing but his fusion started to turn bad. Was it because of how much power he had and or the amount of dmg he was taking?

@hemlocktea6643

Жыл бұрын

I believe it was because one of him was immortal,but the other wasn't. He had assumed that when he fused his other self was going to also be immortal,and he was wrong about that. Essentially half of his fused self was killed when he tried to just absorb that Kamehameha. And thus it was literally a man fused with a zombie corpse. A very bad fusion

@heyritik13

Жыл бұрын

actually his half body is of goku and black didn't wish for immortallity so when imortal and mortal zamasu fused the half side remained mortal and another's one immortal and thats why zamasu half side get reheal but his half side get bad by time thats why he get cut by trunks if zamasu never fused with black then he can win or if black wish for immortallity

@heyritik13

Жыл бұрын

​@@hemlocktea6643he was so dumb kai

Basically as long as at least one kai is involved, it will be permanent.

Having found out the fusion can end for gods as well as supreme kai and kibito separated eventually. Old kai should be able to do the same but never tried to.

maybe he could have found a way to rejuvenate himself with all of his new magical powers and wisdom

bro should’ve took off the earring before the witch put it on

The real question is does he have a hotdog or a roast beef

It was explained that when a supreme kai is part of the fusion, it's permanent...

I always and still believe he just lied to hide the fact that he’s an ugly creep on his own and that he’s always been like this.

He was lying 🤥 😂

He never did like the idea of using the dragon balls and so far seems to be the only way to unfuse

Nah old Kai got a short stick

It’s a whole new being that doesn’t think like 1 person, and also you can’t really unfuse a potara unless fusion time runs out. Kai unfortunately lucked out so he can’t unfuse ☠️

A kai doing potara fusion with a mortal is still permanent without dragonballs

Old Kai was just lying 🤣

Potara fusion was suposed to be permanent, it was said by the Kais in Z only now that Toriyama decided to retconed to be only permanent for Kais.

Potara Fusion is permanent if a Kai is involved, in regards to the time limit. If a 3rd party decides to use magic to defuse them, in the case of Kibito shin, the Fusion will defuse.

He can now identify as 😂😂😂😂

He been that way so long he couldn't un fuse. We know how Akira write these stories and forget some things, so you just have to use your imagination with this one.

The added magical powers came in handy so, I guess if you wanna stretch things, that witch helped save the universe

he never unfused because the only way a kai can infuse is with the dragon balls and he hates those things

I think that witch has somewhat of a connection with Uranai Baba. Maybe they are distant relative or she is a ancestor of Uranai Baba. But that my theory

This is why the Vegito retcon makes no sense

As they were saying many times, Supreme Kai fuse will be permanent

It's because he got special power by fusing which takes anyone's power way beyond their limits like Gohan.

bro didn't think to take his other earring off before she could put it on

It's mind-boggling to know that since such was a female, he still assumed a male form.

My question is how did that witch end up in the world of the Kai’s? Did they used to have magical witches just roaming around the planet???

Okay, the reason why Elder Kai remains fused with the Old Witch, is a Supreme Kai which means the Fusion is permanent under most circumstances with the only known ways to unfuse being a wish to an eternal dragon (currently only Porunga & Super Shenron are confirmed capable of granting such a wish) or having someone use Forced Spirit Fission which is a technique that is difficult to master! Elder Kai isn't a fan of using Dragon Balls (in DBS it has nothing to do with Shadow Dragons as that concept was retconned in by Toei, when in Toriyama's original script it was simply cause he felt they upset the natural order & that Earth had set too!

@Deathpool_04

Жыл бұрын

There are some things that I don’t understand about the potaras. Why did the Kais make it to where the fusion is permanent if a supreme Kai is involved? Why not make it to where they could defuse whenever they wanted to or just make it a 1 hour time limit like it is with mortals? Why are mortals given a 1 hour time limit?

Remember you can’t infuse as a Kai

I heard a theory that he made up that story just because he didn't want to admit his age. And as for how he would know about the fusions then, he just learned about it.

I believe I'm not the only person that thought to myself what happens if we just remove the earring from your ears

To be fair, the witches in the DB verse would have to be low level divine beings at minimal. I say this because Roshi's Sister Baba is able to go in-between the living world and other world, she can give people like Goku passes to go back and forth between both worlds if they have enough "credit", and she even got in an argument with King Yemma cuz he didn't know she was gonna give Goku the day pass, but she still got the OK. Also, for that witch to be on the world of the Supreme Kais, she would have to have either been born there, or have magic powerful enough to transport herself there like Baba. They're clearly above ordinary humans, hence how in original DB, Baba was able to gather even dead fighters like Grandpa Gohan to fight for her.. Either massive plot hole being ignored, or they're at least of some level of divinity due to their magic.

@TimeTX

11 ай бұрын

What if the witch was Baba and Roshi's mother or some distant relative/ancestor???

@Wolf-Marlon23

11 ай бұрын

@@TimeTX I wondered this myself, but she can't be their mom due to her fusing with the Supreme Kai, and him saying he's 15 generations before the current Supreme Kai. Roshi himself is only around 300yrs old. Honestly, it unfortunately becomes one of those things Toriyama never wanted to or bothered to flesh out..

because the fused person is a completely new person and not 1 body and 2 minds so he just didn't want to die

Bro could of just taken his earring off😂

I like how he has a Hitler mustache and nobody questions it

Maybe he just liked being fused.

Of course, but as we know from the manga, those who are not supremkai cannot stay in Fuishon forever.

maybe he was into that subconsciously

He's immortal but got old? Not through again

I still believe that Elder Kai just made that story up and he's just naturally ugly.

Under the new rules, he should've defused a long time ago or do what kibitoshin did. Maybe that was Baba's mentor 🤔