Crosby's new job as group navigator means it's an office job, that's why he's not flying.

@jameswg13

4 ай бұрын

Except he did fly missions still

@TheSocratesian

4 ай бұрын

@@jameswg13 As group navigator he would fly missions when the their group was leading the wing.

@jameswg13

4 ай бұрын

@@TheSocratesian yes I know

It’s amusing how so many reactors were worried about Buck after episode 4. The intro literally gave us clues. Edit: that scene with Rosie humming never translates well to the audience. It’s true that Rosie hummed songs to keep his crew calm and boost morale but naturally looks liked he’d lost his mind. BTW - the song is Artie Shaw’s “The Chant.” Great song!

@ChienaAvtzon

3 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that is part of the joke, regarding Rosie humming in this episode. It is supposed to be ambiguous if he is trying to boost morale, or just lost his mind.

A few things: Bubbles didn’t actually die in the Munster raid, in Crosby’s book he died in a raid around 6 months later

There's a couple of real photos out there of Crosby's plane hitting that lone tree in the airfield when they crash landed. Pretty epic stuff.

I loved how they showed Croz's viewpoint on his responsibilities with his new assignment. The worry, stress, and guilt he feels was interesting to see. They didn't just focus on the pilots/crews stress and anxieties. Loving the new look Kamilla! ❤❤❤

Great reaction like always, Rosie Rosenthal did dogfights while stationed in the United States. He used skills learned there in his actions. during that mission. It was only his third mission on his way becoming a legendary pilot. He had to describe it to Curtis LeMay the big boss. And Joseph "Bubbles" Payne didn't actually die on this mission as he wasnt actually on this mission. but i can see why they did adapt it storywise. As he did die on another later mission which was really a ridiculous decision by a later commander of the 100th. Keep up the good work.

@panamafloyd1469

4 ай бұрын

Oh, wow! Didn't know that about Rosenthal during training. First time I saw this episode, I recalled that the B-17 was designed in the late 1930s, and the concept was that if bombers flew in tight formations, they could defend themselves from fighters ("Flying Fortress", right?). But I also recall talking to veterans back in the '80s where they mentioned the gun turrets didn't traverse fast enough to 'lead a target'. Seeing that scene where R'thal was throwing the plane around, I thought, '..he's free from formation, and can twist it so his guys can get a shot..'

@RJKookie

4 ай бұрын

@@panamafloyd1469​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠it was more about evading the German fighters. Rosie’s crew told him to keep a stable platform so they could shoot but he knew they’d be dead if he did, so Rosie and Pappy were doing these crazy maneuvers and flying all over the skies making themselves a difficult target. Rosie knew how flyable the fort was and because of his B-17 training in Florida - and those rare off days doing dogfights - he was confident about his aircraft and what he could do with it despite the Royal Flush being a damaged wreck. It was a miracle they returned to base and landed on 3 dead engines and the 4th engine failed as they landed. Rosie was a legend.

This episode was brutal. I think it’s forever seared into my memory

@8:55 Crosby's actor is narrating entire series, as the book Crosby wrote after the war is primary source for the show. Of course, some plot lines Crosby had no part in - like the escape from Belgium - are based on the memories of other airmen, idk if it was Crosby who collected them, or some other body of work, or they were compiled for the show.

The dogfight with Rosies B17 did happen. They could move a lot now they werent in a formation. If i remember correctly His tail gunner became an Ace that day.

@BjrnOttoVasbottenbjovas

4 ай бұрын

Crazy the technology leap from a 1920 plane like Martin NBS-1 or similar to a late 30's B-17 (Not to mention the B-29 just a few years later) B-17 a very attractive plane, the movie Memphis belle is worth watching just to see so many actual live planes, 5 were used in filming it!

The Münster was the 3rd mission in 3 days. Buck Cleven was MIA on the 8th October 1943, the mission to Bremen. There was a mission on the 9th to Marienburg where the 100th BG had no losses. The mission to Münster on the 10th October, 1943, comprised of 274 B-17s. Around 30 were lost. The 100th BG sent 17 B-17s, of which 4 aborted (returned to base early due to mechanical issues) and 12 failed to return to base. 121 men were listed as MIA. The 8th AF would not fly again for a few days due to weather. On the 14th October 1943 the Eighth AF would send 291 B-17s and 60 B-24s (performing a diversionary raid) to bomb Schweinfurt (one of the targets in episode 3). 77 B-17s were lost and over 100 were damaged. The 100th BG were part of this raid, but had no losses, probably why it wasn't shown in the series.

Rosenthal did anything to keep the moral of his crew up, so him humming music to his crew is accurate to calm them down, etc is accurate. The song he is humming here was the jazz song 'the chant' by Artie Shaw

Great reaction as always. I think you would like the 2019 movie "Midway". It's shot mostly for the POV of US Naval aviators in the Pacific. Also, check out a documentary show called "Dogfights", Season 1, Episode 10, "Long Odd". That was a great show that used computer animation and interviews with the actual people to breakdown and retell aerial combat missions. In that episode they tell the story of B-17 "Old 666". Flying a lone mission in the Pacific she and her crew fought off an attack by 17 Japanese fighters for over 45 minutes. It's a good story and it'd always nice when people who were there and add commentary.

@Ambaryerno

4 ай бұрын

Midway was good, but I HATE that they completely omitted the American fighter squadrons, and made it look like the US Navy only had bombers. Especially egregious because: 1. Wade McCluskey commanded Fighting Squadron Six off Enterprise in the first months of the War, and only became air group commander shortly before Midway itself. So you can't make the excuse that there wasn't a POV character for it. 2. Fighting Six scored the US Navy's first air-to-air victories of the War when Wilmer Rawie shot down two A5Ms during the Marshall Islands raidsm which were one of the setpiece scenes in the film! 3. Midway was the first time the Thach Weave - which is STILL a fundamental part of air combat training throughout the world today - was implemented on a large scale (having initially been tested by Jimmy Thach at Coral Sea). The film broke away from Enterprise's air group to cover the doomed attacks by the Midway-based bombers and Torpedo Squadron Eight, so there's no reason they couldn't have added a scene with Thach and Fighting Squadron Three. I wish Hanks and Spielberg would do a series based on Thomas Miller, Jr.'s The Cactus Air Force. That's a story that would be perfect for a miniseries.

@tileux

4 ай бұрын

Midway is a mess of a movie with overwhelming, and overwhelmingly bad, CGI.

@McPh1741

4 ай бұрын

@@tileux They REALLY over did it on the flak and having the flak always explode at the same attitude of the aircraft during the dives was inaccurate because the Japanese didn't have the proximity fuse. I also agree that cutting out any fighter aircraft was a terrible decision. I mean, not only deleting any dogfights, but I didn't even see any Wildcats on the carriers. If they were there, I must have missed them. The YT channel History Buffs did a real good 2 part episode breaking the movie down.

@Ambaryerno

4 ай бұрын

@@tileux I'm getting goddamned tired of people like you bitching about CGI. There are no Japanese carriers anywhere in the world that aren't at the bottom of the Pacific. Nor is there a single surviving Yorktown-class carrier (Yorktown and Hornet were both lost in 1942, and Enterprise was scrapped). And trying to use a modern aircraft carrier (even one of the surviving Essex's) would BLATANTLY stand out. To say nothing of all of the hundreds of support ships. Unless YOU'RE fine with pulling a Michael Bay and using MODERN GUIDED MISSILE CRUISERS as stand-ins for WWII destroyers. There are no intact D3A dive bombers (only one undergoing restoration since 2022...3 years AFTER the movie came out). No surviving B5N or TBD-1 torpedo bombers, G4M medium bombers, F2A fighters (the Marines on Midway primarily flew Buffaloes, in its only battle for the US). There's only one surviving SB2U Vindicator, and it's not flyable. There's only one airworthy Zero that has the Sakae engine, (it's an A6M5, too late for Midway) and almost all of the other survivors are frankensteins of multiple airframes and modern components. The four surviving airworthy SBD Dauntlesses are from later models that would not have been available at Midway. There's only one airworthy early-War wildcat anywhere in the world: An F4F-3, which would have been fine for the first few battle scenes, but was too early for Midway itself (by which time all F4Fs in fleet deployment had been replaced by F4F-4s. Two of which survive, but aren't in a flyable condition). The rest are FM-2s, which are visually VERY different. Likewise, all surviving TBFs (Torpedo Eight flew six based from Midway) are later -3 models that would not have been available at Midway. There's only one airworthy B-26 Marauder. Movies like Midway COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE without CGI. Conventional model work would have been prohibitive, and there's no way in hell even if there WERE appropriate surviving aircraft, that they'd be allowed to use them for anything more than static shots or formation flights.

This was a tough one. The Munster mission is where the 100th gets the nickname “the bloody 100th”. If you don’t shed a tear with Crosby as he reads the letter…you got no heart. Thanks for proving to us you have a huge heart!

They did have ways to relieve themselves up there but the pipes had a habit of freezing so they tried other methods of relief to try and keep them clear as long as possible

Egan actually forgot his lucky Jacket and was fuming about it that he did but he did say that Buck always hated that jacket

Kam's vids and her smile brighten up a cloudy day.

I love the style of your reactions, young lady. You honor those men with the respect you have for them and the appreciation you show for what they did to save the world from tyranny. They truly were our greatest generation. Looking forward to the next one.

Short notice... the STEPHEN KING movie called DELORES CLAIBORNE is a huge Solar Eclipse movie. Perfect for posting on Monday.

Crosby became group navigator but he still had to fly missions as well. However on this one he and his crew were actually on leave after their crash and no replacement plane yet. They even set up a code with base to tell them how it went. It went so badly they broke the code when crosby phoned and asked. He had to be the one to tell the rest of his crew

Munster was the first mission where many realised they were changing tactics and effectively bombing cities now.

My only wish is that the show was 3 episodes longer, I really enjoyed it.

Great episode here, and thanks for sharing with us!

The main book used is masters of the air. However Crosbys memoirs A wing and a Prayer: the bloody 100th bomb group was also used heavily , Frank Murphy's book Luck of the draw ( we have already met him in the show but he is relatively minor character) , Alexander Jefferson ( who we havent met yet) book red tail Captured , Red tail free: memoirs of a Tuskeegee airmen and POW. All among other material used.

@tirasbell4740

4 ай бұрын

Very loosely I might add. I feel they took a lot of creative liberties outside of the basic structure.

Love the 'rojo' .. .. Have a great weekend!!

Have a great weekend Centane! You look fabulous

Hambone does survive but he did get stuck on the door and they had to release the door to let him go. He didnt meant to jump at that point but he did survive

The fighters had a navigational error wnich meant they burned a lot of fuel to catch up so couldnt even escort them all the way to munster

The most dangerous positions in the fleets of these bombers was the leading upper element and the rear lower element. Both positions were highly vulnerable to fighter swarms and thats where german fighters always started. The histories of many of the bomb groups in those positions is mostly unknown, because, as the historian Martin Middlebrook wrote in his book The Schweinfurt Regensberg Raid, ‘of these elements there is nothing to write, in a matter of minutes they simply ceased to exist and no-one was left to relate their fate’. Prior to the introduction of the P51 long range fighter escort, 100% casualties in those positions were common. Conversely, if you were in the right position, you could do a whole flight and not even see a german fighter. The 100th had the misfortune to be allocated to the vulnerable positions more than any other bomb group, which is how it earned its grim reputation.

Nice hair change, you match Rosie now! What a goat he was solo B17 as an offensive platform vs fighters, flying just doesn't get any more skilled than that.

Crosby was always humble and never thought of himself as the best navigator etc even though anyone would say otherwise that he was the best.

You should watch 12 O' Clock High with Gregory Peck. It was made shortly after the war (1949) and includes actual combat footage.

I feel like a lot of people reacting to this show forget that 100th weren’t on their own. All told, that day the 8th air force sent 166 aircraft to Munster, of which 138 actually dropped bombs. They lost 30 planes on the mission. The show didn’t cover it but 4 days later on a trip to Schweinfurt losses were even bigger.

You HAVE to watch the two Top Gun movies after this

Buck was on Geidi Prime

Omg very good series Master Of the Air love it

This episode and episode 6 are two of the best in the series, but 9 is the best imo 😎

Buck and Bucky went down within 3 days of each other.

Bubbles died on another mission under a new CO who decided to do an idiotic move. It was so pointless Crosby wasnt just upset but he and many others were fuming.

I cant find the full reaction on Pateron, Camilla

@Centane

4 ай бұрын

I'll put it out tomorrow!! It's on discord that I'm out on a birthday celebration tonight 🥰

@bercis.359

4 ай бұрын

@@Centane It's okay, have fun! :)

@bercis.359

4 ай бұрын

@@Centane And it is up now, thank you Camilla! :)🥰

@Centane

4 ай бұрын

@@bercis.359 Great!! ❤️ good it managed I thought my pc at home turned off 🤭❤️

Sorry for the spelling but u just need some fried salami, mangu fried eggs maybe some onions on it, fried cheese. Ask ur mom she would know what im talking about. Camposina is gunna be mad at me for butchering this. "Edit" campo got my back cuz we got brugal n mamajuana but tha chancleta is near.

Let me switch to the big screen to see you.

So 4 aborts ... that made it back early. 12 shot down and one went all the way ;-(

I love the the ❤️💚☘️🇺🇦

Can hardley hear the dialog.

@jonesrose5477

3 ай бұрын

pro tip could be turn up your volume theres no issue with the audio 😂

A lot of the stuff in this show is made up or just pieced together stories, not actually from anyone's memoirs. A lot of the stuff on Crosby specifically is from his memoirs but not all of it, for example in this episode he wasn't actually at the base for this mission, he was off on leave and had a similar phone call situation as Bucky did in Episode 4. Bubbles was also not on this mission in real life, but he was eventually KIA in Spring 1944.

@Ambaryerno

4 ай бұрын

To be fair, there was a lot of compositing of stories and license in Band of Brothers and The Pacific, too. And some stuff that was just plain wrong (IE Pvt. Blythe didn't die of his wounds, Dyke wasn't an ineffectual coward, Cobb wasn't the colossal asshole the series constantly paints him as, Easy Company didn't take Berchtesgaden, Leckie remained a devout Catholic throughout the War and it was his faith that helped him get through that Hell, Bassilone's actions at Guadalcanal were even MORE heroic than depicted, since he was running between gun positions for THREE DAYS STRAIGHT with no rest, there was no Stella in Australia for Leckie, and Leckie and Sledge never met, among others).

@SpitFir3Tornado

4 ай бұрын

@@Ambaryerno BoB presented the soldier's stories, sure there was some compositing but those were real stories. The rest of the company did think Blythe died of his wounds and didn't find out, until after the series came out and his family reached out to tell them he didn't, that he in fact didn't. Many of the men did think very poorly of Dyke, and other than the Foy assault (where he had actually been shot, rather than just breaking down as depicted) the series portrays him fairly accurately. I would disagree with the take that Cobb wasn't an asshole, as all stories about him seem to indicate as much, even worse than he was depicted in the series. I don't know as much of the history behind The Pacific, but I think you can attribute much of that to some legitimate creative license. Masters of the Air repeatedly completely invents things that never happened (this is genuinely too long to even attempt listing), skips important events (such as the majority of the last 1.5 years of the war, and most developments in bomber tactics and strategy), directly contradicts the facts (example below), or directly contradicts the soldier's stories (example below). Episode 3 is a prime example. Most of the events in the air are made up, there are several actual accounts of what happened to Biddick and Claytor's planes and crews, but the show completely makes up their own version of things in both cases, that in my opinion are much worse than the actual stories. It's clear the Masters of the Air producers did not care for authenticity, as the production crew such as the VFX Supervisor have said as much as they were overruled to make things more dramatic and fit their "vision" rather than portraying things authentically or realistically. The VFX Supervisor was speaking specifically on the depiction of anti air rockets, which do not work anything like depicted in the show, the channel 'WWII US Bombers' has a deep dive into this you can watch if you want to learn the truth of their use and just how deadly they were which is not portrayed in the show. There is one point in the show where they show a plane being shot down by a ground to air rocket, which didn't even exist, but someone said they thought they saw one. This can be easily factually disproven with a bit of research but was included in the show. Compare that to your Band of Brothers criticisms, which are all opinion or perspective based. Blythe's death was real for them because they never knew that he had actually survived, and had no evidence to the contrary upon the making of the show.

Until episode 6...where is buck?😁 great watch, kami..thank you😁👍

It's kind of surprising - especially given their later "I'm in command" "Yeah? It's MY plane" debate at the bail-out, that Bucky's pilot even let him on the plane after changing jackets. Ditching a jacket that you've survived a bunch of missions in would likely not go over very well.

When are you going to watch Twelve O Clock High?