Three different people were like "Ellie, you're a natural leader." How? Why? What about her makes her a natural leader, and how is it apparent to so many people?

@johncastillo2194

Жыл бұрын

Because she’s gay!

@NobbsAndVagene

Жыл бұрын

@@johncastillo2194 Well that explains it.

@stuffylamb3420

Жыл бұрын

Lol I thought the same, that didn't make any sense at all.

@Kyle-jn6yu

Жыл бұрын

You are right on the money!

@lyn5384

Жыл бұрын

The only person I can think of who said that was David, because he was a predator trying manipulate her??? Idk where you’re getting that from

My wife, who is not a gamer, actually turned to me after the finale and said "Well, it's not like they really need a cure. There's barely any zombies left. They could probably just wipe them out." That's how few fucking zombies they had in their fucking zombie show.

@nsaylor9

Жыл бұрын

Why are you basing your opinion of a show on something a woman said?

@trkms

Жыл бұрын

World War Z (the book) had pretty much ending - eventually zombies turned into dust or got wiped because they do not multiply.

@ColbyBumington

Жыл бұрын

@@nsaylor9 because it’s an unbiased perspective of someone that didn’t play the game………. Come on…..

@revolverswitch

Жыл бұрын

tbh in the games, the characters had to confront other survivors more often than the zombies.

@ColbyBumington

Жыл бұрын

@@revolverswitch yeah but we just needed more time for this first season. Episode 3 was good but I missed a lot of the game content in that episode.

Joel was a lot harder on Ellie in the games. not letting her have a gun and shouting at her when she actually helped, made the ending more impactful but in the show he cared for her by ep 4 making it feel more like a buddy roadtip show

@frankierong2335

Ай бұрын

I just started watching tlou and in both first and second EP, he didn't allow Ellie to hold a gun at all, even the museum part. Am I watching a different show?

The thing with the DLC in the game, was that it would cut back and forth between Ellie trying to keep Joel alive after the raiders at the university, and the time she spent with Riley in the past. It kinda baffles me that we didn't get the same thing in the show. I mean, I'm pretty sure the flashbacks in the game happened because Ellie was in a similar looking mall as she was trying to find medical supplies to keep Joel alive

@pingwingugu5

Жыл бұрын

It was, but in game they had to strike a balance between boring (gameplay wise) mall story and the current events which had a lot more action. If DLC was 2hours of just point and click Easter Eggs in mall with bunch of cutscenes and then a 2 hours of proper game play action it would be frustrating. In a show it makes more sense. Plus I noticed the show in general is more grounded, probably because Joel in show cannot take few bullets and just wrap it up to get full health bar like Joel in game. I remember playing as Ellie in the blizzard part, when she escaped David. It fell off, because she was way too deadly for a tiny teenager. She killed like half of the town on her own. I liked how it played out in the show better. I am kind of excited about Last of Us part two, one of the things that bothered me was the dissonance between story and gameplay. Ellie is a bloody killing machine for the whole gameplay, so some of the cutscene moments just didn't land well.

@eliteteamkiller319

Жыл бұрын

You sure you watched the show? It literally cut back twice.

@Besseloff

23 күн бұрын

The DLC flashbacks were very boring

@92brunod

4 күн бұрын

@@pingwingugu5 "Plus I noticed the show in general is more grounded, probably because Joel in show cannot take few bullets and just wrap it up to get full health bar like Joel in game" "Grounded", what a particular word you used. If only you had played the game on "grounded" than you would know that can't happen. He dies in one bullet hit basically. Of course games will have more enemies and more action but the action with Ellie being helped by David and them surviving together told a story, and gave more weight to David actually being a cannibalistic pedophile. It felt like a betrayal. You don't have to have Ellie kill 20 dudes and 30 zombies for that to work in a show. Just have them survive together against 5-6 zombies and then she can kill 1 or 2 dudes and sneak past most of the others. The threat is the same and the emotional weight isn't lost.

@pingwingugu5

3 күн бұрын

@@92brunod got me there! I didn't play it on the highest difficulty, just the standard one. I 100% agree, David saga was excellent in the show.

The infected didn’t really seem to be that big of a problem for Joel and Elle to deal with.

@remus4283

Жыл бұрын

they were never really the point. from the beginning it's established that desperate humans are the main threat. the infection was just a narrative tool to bring about desperate characters doing desperate things

@Greenstrtjs87

Жыл бұрын

that’s cuz it’s a show not a video game

@firstlast9846

Жыл бұрын

Jay Boi - that makes 0 sense - if it’s a show and based on some semblance of reality - then they should’ve died in episode 5.

@lmcfigs4874

Жыл бұрын

idk they lost Tess to the infected pretty early on. but yeah I guess Joel and Ellie didn't die, so the infected were harmless to them.

@6581punk

Жыл бұрын

Well they were only in the game as a challenge, to give you something to beat.

Great news! I heard HBO is casting the Rock as Abby for season 2. Can’t wait.

@thatHARVguy

Жыл бұрын

The hierarchy of power in The Last of Us universe is about to change.

@Christrulesall2

Жыл бұрын

I can smell it.

@everythingisawesome2903

Жыл бұрын

I speak for all of us when I say we need Hafthor Bjornson as Abbie.

@lamariustangible6179

Жыл бұрын

@@everythingisawesome2903 Hafthor: So are we doing the eyes again or am I using a weapon this time?

@gakon8154

Жыл бұрын

Whomever they cast, carrer killer. Won't get a job in a prison afterwards.

Unfortunately we ended up with not enough bonding. The point of the plot was that Ellie needed Joels skills in order to survive. Without the dependency in life and death situations, created by the infected, it’s way harder to buy their father and daughter dynamic. The show didn’t give them enough moments to overcome obstacles. When Joel gets hurt in the game, it’s this huge moment. Ellie lost her protector and now had to grow up and adapt quickly, while being surrounded by all kinds of enemies. Moments like these just hit WAY harder in the game.

@StarRain6

Жыл бұрын

how many fathers and daughters fight through life and death situations to bond?

@edkabessa

Жыл бұрын

@@StarRain6 stop pretending you didn't understand what the dude said.

@stargirl.958

Жыл бұрын

​@@edkabessa Exacly smh

@emmanuelakaranwolu322

Жыл бұрын

Dude they gave them copious amount of opportunities to bond, they watched brother kill brother, lost a friend along the way, shared playful moments. Maybe not as much as the game but it's not the game. You can't expect them to do everything the exact same way the game was run.

@patrickmc8779

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yes.

The opening talk show scene, the flashback in Indonesia and Pedro Pascal were the best parts of the show

@chinchilla415

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree. I think those 2-3 minutes redeemed a lot about the show.

@Whatarenargles

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree once his character dies i don't think i can watch it

@satana8157

11 ай бұрын

I refused to watch this series because big hits tend to dissapoint and I have not played the games. But I saw that talk show opening scene clip and I really liked it, so I watched it and I quite enjoyed it. I only have three complaints: 1) backstories are way too long. I enjoyed Bill and Frank one, but The Mall episode was absolutely long and annoying. 2) Not enough Jole and Ellie scenes, which we could have with shorter backstories. 3) Not enough infected. It seems like they could just find remote places to live and live out the infected.

@jensemann5935

11 ай бұрын

@@satana8157play the games…

@419HLR

10 ай бұрын

@@jensemann5935 not the 2nd one though

The problem with the ending in the show is that since there's essentially no zombie threat preceding it, Joel's big choice between saving Ellie and saving humankind carries far less weight, because humanity isn't really all that much at risk vis a vis the infected.

@stealthyturtles

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the show has it portrayed like all you really need to do is go super rural and you’re good. Bills compound was fine the entire time, for like 15-20 years they only show one time infected maybe walked up and it ended up being Frank, and one bandit raid. Just implied it wasn’t that bad. The two old people living in the cabin just chilling and hunting didn’t seem to have any issues. Tommy’s entire compound had access to electricity, running water, multiple types of housing and resources for pretty much all jobs and tasks. I think they even said they get pockets of infected sometimes but just wipe them out and the main threat is raiders, and that place was huuuge. David’s compound, although starving, seemed not worried about infected. There was no infected in their area or the university or the small towns / city limits outside of the hundreds underground in KC. The last infected on screen is one from 14-15 years prior, where Ellie’s mom got bit. Sure we don’t get new movies or mass produced music or extremely easy access to food and other modern commodities in this universe, but is that really the worst thing? Most places have it figured out it seems.

@jackreeves7

Жыл бұрын

​@Gamer Lingo I think ep5 was enough for me but I get what you mean. Apparently they said s2 will have way more infected so that will be great to see

@ALROD

Жыл бұрын

This.

@JohnDoe-wq5eu

Жыл бұрын

​@@jackreeves7 Is that the excuse people will have to go see what will undoubtedly be an absolute trainwreck otherwise. I mean to say the game was divisive is to say fire is a bit hot and water is a wee bit wet.

@kri249

Жыл бұрын

@@stealthyturtles since late millenials and zoomers will be the majority of viewers this will be the worst thing. It's a world with no internet and people have to work to earn their keep. To them that's way scarier than fungus zombies.

One huge disappointment is they just gave up on the flashback sequences where we got a glimpse into the initial outbreak. They could have done so much more with this.

@gfgfg3227

Жыл бұрын

that was my favourite part of the episode

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

That turned off some folks initially, but was an example of something new and fresh they could have brought to the story.

@christophersansone2755

Жыл бұрын

I was disappointed that they didn't meet up with a gang of Christians who believe the apocalypse was brought on by degenerate mankind and they stone the two gay teens to death.

@rael1999

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, shame they didn't get given 12 or 16 episodes and then they would have had time to look at it from the world's different perspective at the beginning of each episode.

@syksis9842

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I thought the intro flashbacks were super interesting and added an upfront level of tension to each episode even though it was disconnected from the main plot. Sad they didn’t stick with it

I really enjoyed the scene where they were hiding from the clickers , but the show was just like ‘that’s all your getting ‘

@Arander92

Жыл бұрын

You must have missed the episode where an ARMY of them literally comes out of the ground and kills everyone. Jesus, y’all will complain about ANYTHING

@angelsackson

Жыл бұрын

@@Arander92 No, 2 minutes of what should’ve been 20 minutes of sheer mayhem does not count. Shill.

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

@@Arander92 this show has flaws for days😂😂lad I wouldn’t call it “complaining”

@MisterBurger2

Жыл бұрын

@@Arander92 the show isn’t even that good tbh. Not complaining just facts

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

@@MisterBurger2 yeah this show is borderline bad

Just started playing the game for the first time and I'm amazed at how much better it is compared to the show.

@PitchSkullBlack

6 ай бұрын

Don't have to compare the two.

@JeordieChef

5 ай бұрын

Fr fr frrrrr

@AceofSpades-zi6zx

Ай бұрын

​@@PitchSkullBlackdoes make sense to do so

@PeachesandCream225

Ай бұрын

@@PitchSkullBlack you also dont have to breath

The game made Joel’s actions more reasonable because you fight so hard with Ellie you have to appreciate her and her attitude but you don’t see much danger in the show

@skulkauk

Жыл бұрын

The stakes weren't portrayed as that "high" in the series because the threats were very few but tbh even in the game it wasn't that bad, if you knew how to navigate the game without running into infected you can complete it in about 5 hours. You don't 'have' to sneak around clickers, there are shortcuts in basically every section so you can speed run the whole thing.

@artsafact_official

Жыл бұрын

@@skulkauk yeah but when you do that you miss out on a lot of dialogue

@skulkauk

Жыл бұрын

@@artsafact_official oh yeah purely for speed running tactics, if you want ot experience the game to it's max you'll want the dialgoue otherwise it's just a walking simulator .

@therealryan1329

Жыл бұрын

You obviously didn't watch episode 8

@lorcan8484

Жыл бұрын

Cringe

The most unbelievable part of episode 7 was that 20 years after the apocalypse they knew the mortal kombat 2 fatalities

@pluntchgunster6156

Жыл бұрын

They probably read a magazine.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

Riley played this arcade beforehand, that's how she knows.

@Patrix8558

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p she doesnt tell the button sequence to Ellie tho

@stevefinnegan5142

Жыл бұрын

And cars still work. And batteries. And canned food is safe to eat. And everyone wears nice clothes. And nobody wears body armor...

@mrmr4622

Жыл бұрын

@@stevefinnegan5142 batteries were made by military, canned food can indeed last that long if undamaged, the clothes werent exactly nice

My favourite part was when Kathleen threatened to call the manager, very scary stuff

I love how they made it a guarantee that Ellie’s brain could’ve created a cure and stripped all ambiguity out of the ending to serve Neil Druckmann’s hate boner for Joel. Not a single mention of any of the logs from the game that said they had tried the operation before only for it to fail.

@pingwingugu5

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I didn't like that they explained how Ellie is immune and that they presented cure as sure thing if they operate. I liked the gray zone in the game more, where the cure is a big maybe.

@The_Funniest_Cut

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@pingwingugu5 Honestly the cure being a big maybe ironically makes it more a moral grey area. By making it a guaranteed cure it almost sort of villainizes Joel and undermines the whole fucking ending. Now we just need to wait for Joel’s death scene.

@eliteteamkiller319

Жыл бұрын

This makes it more interesting. It makes the choice more poignant.

@eliteteamkiller319

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Funniest_Cut That doesn't "villainize" him, the fuck you smoking? It's natural human instinct to protect "us" at the cost of "them." It's _still_ morally grey even as is, because the moral imperative to protect your own children trumps your affinity for the species as a whole. That's why we buy our kids a PS5 instead of feeding starving kids in Africa.

@BurntToastTTB

Жыл бұрын

​@@The_Funniest_CutYou know what's funny is I still feel he's justified in murdering every single person in that hospital scene. No matter if Ellie was the cure all.

I love that the Fireflys' master plan is "CHAZ, but with highly infectious zombies".

@julianmunoz7836

Жыл бұрын

Predictive programming

@AndrewThoesen

Жыл бұрын

Get in the zone, Autozone 😎

@einarkeyser1763

Жыл бұрын

I never watched Firefly, why do all the girls tell me to watch it? It's impossible now. Save me sweet stranger.

@ftniceberg874

Жыл бұрын

So brain dead lefty zombies surrounded by brain dead fungus infected zombies.

@connorparks4568

Жыл бұрын

Bruh... I visited CHAZ. It was the same, including the highly infectious zombies. 😂

Best part was when Joel is asked by Marlene "How did you make it this far?" And I thought to my self "BECUASE THEY DIDN'T ENCOUNTERED ANY INFECTED!!!"

@CrazyGoat991

Жыл бұрын

I mean the infected will cost the series more money. By season 2, say if joe die by the 1st episode… we only since him through Elli flas back… then they will have more $$$ for more zombie 😂

@mocapcow2933

Жыл бұрын

The infected are like a tiny part of the actual story. It’s only in the games to set up the plot. Other than that, their only real person is for players to have something to do.

@angeloalvarez5520

Жыл бұрын

We don't need to see the infected often. We already know the infected are there

@ReikerForge

Жыл бұрын

@@mocapcow2933 In a story where the entire plot is two people travelling across the US to cure a zombie infection, "the infected are a tiny part of the actual story" Yes, makes much sense, lots of logic abound, plenty of reason for them to just stay home then since the infected aren't actually important or threatening

@NiPeMiRecenziiFilme

Жыл бұрын

@@mocapcow2933 Problem is in the game you didnt just watch the story unfolding between levels of gameplay, you actually got to play and kill countless of infected. Thats why the cut scenes didnt seem boring, because they were put between big pieces of action you played. In the tv show you dont get to play, just watch the story. And with so little action set pieces sometimes it gets boring. The human story is great, but you can sense the lack of action.

The show is basically Neil Druckmann’s fan fiction of what he wishes the original story was, and its changes to Joel are custom built to justify what happens next season. For better or worse, HBO’s Joel is a more dramatic, vulnerable character. He tries to cover himself in a false bravado, but his trauma spills over when he is pushed too far. This is perfect setup for someone who will ultimately just bumble around and gets himself killed. Conversely, the original Joel was repressed down to his core. Any vulnerability trickled out like tiny droplets during moments of calm, and pushing only caused him to shut off and reinforce his walls. Even at his most honest, he’d only ever learned how to use that emotional toolbox of a southern blue collar worker. He was far too pragmatic and defensive to ever behave as they made him in Part 2. tl;dr The apocalypse turned HBO-Joel into who he is. It turned OG-Joel into too much of who he already was.

@devendhillon9407

10 ай бұрын

I disagree, Neil is a huge advocate of showing glorified violence in a horrible way which the show failed at since there were barely any action scenes.

@liamphibia

Ай бұрын

Neil Druckmann has... Fascinating tastes, too say the least.

@PeachesandCream225

Ай бұрын

what pure BS. Craig was the one making all the changes. You clearly didnt play the first game if you think Joel wasnt vulnerable towards Ellie by the end of the game... And how did Joel act silly in part 2? He walked into a room...

Love that sloth golf club edit 😂 Part of the reason I can’t get invested in this show is because of the bitterness of the second game. I know where we are going, and don’t like it.

They made the fireflies look a lot nicer in this show in order to justify the second season.

@fernandosimon5621

Жыл бұрын

Not really, every scene involving Fireflies was basically the same as the game. I don't see how they made them nicer...

@error_3498

Жыл бұрын

They didn't. In episode 9 they ambush Joel and Ellie kidnap Ellie give her zero choice if she actually wants to go through with the procedure. Then they take all of Joel's stuff and want to leave him on the highway with only a knife. How the hell is he supposed to survive with only that.

@kingbash6466

Жыл бұрын

​@@error_3498 They really need to address how kinda fucked the Fireflies were in season 2. Hell, it could at least make Abby more tolerable if she comes to terms with how her father and the organization she part of aren't as altruistic and pure as she originally thought.

@joelt2002

Жыл бұрын

@@error_3498 They really should have killed him then and there given what he said. Though that comes off as stupid, not nice.

@ButtSolution

Жыл бұрын

I'm willing to bet it's more about Mazin/Drucmann being the kind of people who love chaos and hate order.

After watching the finale I cant even remember when was the last time we saw them face infected. Definitely could have used more of them. Edit. I checked and literally the last time they faced infected was in episode 5. we had 1 infected in episode 7 but it was a flashback episode. So yeah no wonder it felt like forever as it was 4 weeks ago when we saw them face infected.

@eparock

Жыл бұрын

heh yeah and ep 7 infected was for an entire minute and a half!

@VeggiesEatMyMeat

Жыл бұрын

That also goes to show the show didnt need to rely on the infected to be good

@brickbusters1940

Жыл бұрын

​@Eric Jay um, but isn't that completely missing the point of the entire message of the game?

@VeggiesEatMyMeat

Жыл бұрын

@@brickbusters1940 the point of the game is to watch as a relationship unfolds between two unlikely people who never knew they needed eachother. David was a bigger villain than any of those cordyceps would ever be

@brickbusters1940

Жыл бұрын

@Eric Jay Without the infected, Joel's decision has NO significant impact whatsoever, all moral ambiguity is completely erased and we are left with a psychopath try to save another psychopath from saving people from infected that have no impact to this world whatsoever (what is there is more of a nuisance then threat). There is no character arc or touching father daughter story without that, which makes me think you didn't play the game.

I remember watching my wife play the game when it first came out. It was truly amazing storytelling, with brilliant characters. The atmosphere and intensity was fantastic. But all clips I’ve seen of the show put me off of watching it, I don’t want to ruin my memories of such an incredible experience. I struggle to believe the show will have the same impact as the game.

@southernfried19

Жыл бұрын

It most definitely won’t. The show is OK at best.

@KidaMilo89

Жыл бұрын

Those who never played the games and love the post-apocalyptic genre will likely love the show. Not hating on it, there were quite a few things I enjoyed out of it. But it doesn't have the same emotional impact and great storytelling as the game did. The recent remake for the PS5 was absolutely badass and breathed more life into the characters and setting. But, I am also happy the show's helped the game become popular again and boosted its sales significantly.

The part where the drinker talks of there not being much of the infected really echoes my sentiments having just watched it. The last 3 episodes barely feature any infected. The entire time I was just like " where are the infected ?! "

Let's just say they made Joel's choice a lot more ambiguous and morally gray than in the game. In the game, the Fireflies knocked him out when he was pumping out Ellie who had drowned in the water, they were not going to return his backpack to him (he found it himself) and even more so to pay him for delivering Ellie with weapons, it was not explained exactly how the vaccine would work and why they could not conduct experiments on Ellie's blood. In the series, Ellie is treated much more carefully, Joel was going to return his things and be paid, how the vaccine works, explained quite realistically. At the same time, Joel kills people who have already surrendered, and not just armed ones (although he spared the nurses). However, in both cases, Ellie was not allowed to make a choice and give consent or refusal. Despite the fact that she is a minor and has not reached the age of consent ... And most importantly, even if the vaccine is administered to all people (which is impossible), it still will not save the world. Millions of infected people who tear and devour people, thousands of cannibals and robbers will not go anywhere, and there will simply not be enough hands and heads to restore the energy grid, the economy and the social system. So summing up, I'm still on the side of Joel.

@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa

Жыл бұрын

Joel did nothing wrong.

@bobbyd6680

Жыл бұрын

You think there are laws, age of consent, in a post-apocalyptic world?

@Patrix8558

Жыл бұрын

hm, it felt less morally gray in the show to me, interesting

@EnsignRedshirtRicky

Жыл бұрын

They offered her an IUD in the show. So either they are confessing they are groomers, or that she should have been of consenting age and therefore the Fireflies are trying to murder her.

@HaragothNAR

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, totally disagree with Drinker, the finale was very anti Joel imo, I feel like they made him look selfish. They also really made it look like Ellie was coming to peace with dying. Definitely rewriting things to support Neil's retcons in TLOU2

I watched the last episode with my dad. We lost my brother right before my first bithday. When Marlene told Joel she understood my dad responded with "no she doesn't" and immediately wanted Joel to wipe them out. He kept asking if he killed Marlene during the rampage and was completely on Joel's side. He also immediately thought that the Fireflies were sending Joel to his death as they hadnt given him his gun back and his backpack seemed to be low on supplies.

@dragons_red

Жыл бұрын

​@Hou eff off

@RomeKnox

Жыл бұрын

@Hou you choose to read it tho

@nevasoba5953

Жыл бұрын

I am 100% with ur dad on this.

@nevasoba5953

Жыл бұрын

​@hou1957Dick

@MrRazNZ

Жыл бұрын

That whole "Marlene was there at the birth of Ellie so actshuallllyyy Joellll, she does understannnd" bullshit was shoehorned in to make Druckmann's least favorite character (Joel) look more irrational and evil at the end regarding his decision to save Ellie. Game Marlene is depicted as brutally utilitarian and Game Joel is 'freedom of choice', individual rights over the 'greater good', etc. Show Marlene is just "morally justified at every turn" and Show Joel is mentally troubled, wrong, evil, selfish, pRoBLeMaTiC, etc.

The best part is "we are communists" two scenes later " I traded something for a jacket"

If they want the adaptation of part 2 to work, they need to introduce Abby and her story first, tell her whole backstory, ending the season with the climax of her learning of her father's death and who is responsible. Season 3 opens with the Joel/Abby/Ellie scene, and kicks off Ellie's revenge quest. Season 3 finale is the finale of the game. They need to dispense with the mystery of the "who is this Abby and why did she murder Joel" mystery the game tried to create suspense with. For new viewers, if they don't create massive identification with and empathy for Abby FIRST, it'll suffer a lot of the same problems part 2 the game suffered. To be fair, I sent really got a lot out of the part 2 game's masochistic gameplay and story, but this change is, imho, a near must for the TV show to sink in and be well received.

@oscarneil574

Жыл бұрын

I really agree with this point, it’s also why I think they had to make Joel’s choice in the hospital less ambiguous than in the game (in my opinion it was), so that when Abby plays golf it’s far less of an uproar and a more ‘he had it coming’.

@KidaMilo89

Жыл бұрын

I really wish Part II was in chronological order. Had it been, the game would have been better received by fans. Nonetheless, the game was enjoyable for me. But it tried to pull off a poorly executed Quentin Tarantino stunt that didn't go too well

@williamflowers9435

3 ай бұрын

Or they could just leave the BullDyke out of it and go in a better direction

@PeachesandCream225

Ай бұрын

that would literally ruin the whole story...

That “Ellie’s gay by the way” line from Drinker somehow just always makes me laugh hysterically. 😂

@thisismyname3928

Жыл бұрын

🤮

@johnleeka3282

Жыл бұрын

Bruh shes gay in the game too. 💀💀

@thisismyname3928

Жыл бұрын

@@johnleeka3282 🤮

@CommanderTato

Жыл бұрын

@@johnleeka3282 the infamous DLC from first game ruined the character. Base game she was right.

@johnleeka3282

Жыл бұрын

@@CommanderTato “right”? What the hell does right mean?😂 do you mean straight. The dlc was good and only added to ellies character more. Yall are just coping hard

I wish there was more time spent with Joel and Ellie exploring the land, running into clickers stealth killing, teaching Ellie things ie swimming. It was the bonding that made them grow together, not just the one incident of Ellie nursing Joel. They also stole Ellie's comment that had so much meaning to Ellie, 5 seconds shy after naming the people who died "when is it my turn". Ellie wanted to die after shooting her best friend and wanted her death to have meaning which Joel took away. I've always felt like the Fireflies were a useless bunch. When we see them, they're usually corpses or about to die. They blew up a food storage supply... why? FEDRA are dealing with the left off citizens who are bums and criminals whereas Jacksonville is dealing with a helping community. FEDRA was necessary.

@namedasurname3968

Жыл бұрын

it was a shit show!

@CatTheLegendary

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. WE definitely needed more episodes, especially since 2 were wasted on back story. The ending could have been so much more impactful if people were allowed more time to see the two bond, like we did when we played the game. It just doesn't hit the same. Not even close. But the show did well overall imo...just not a masterpiece like the game was.

@thanhiclez

Жыл бұрын

@@CatTheLegendary Absolutely, I say the show was OK at best. But my other issue is the lack of infected. We barely see any, it makes you wonder if the cure was even needed when humans are the biggest monsters in the show. The game constantly reminded you of the infected threat and how a world without infected would impact the lives of the remaining population, the show makes it seem like the infected are non existent. Even if the Fireflies created a cure, I don't believe they would hand out the cure willynilly, they would be the new FEDRA or worse off. The Fireflies were never going to be a competent organisation, they can barely manage to hold a secure compound.

@XiaoyuuuYT

Жыл бұрын

​@@CatTheLegendary Same goes with Joel being called a "badass" yet there wasn't any good ol' violence to show that. Where the fvck did the enemies go?

@CatTheLegendary

Жыл бұрын

@@thanhiclez that is also true! They went to all this trouble changing how the infected work, I was intrigued and wanted to see what they would do with it. But nope! Barely a point!! I wanted to see Ellie and Joel navigate the world, including how they handle infected too. The game was show, don’t tell. I feel the show is more tell than show

Watching season 1 just made me appreciate Troy and Ashley from the game even more. They set the bar so damn high it couldn’t be surpassed in my opinion. TV show was solid enough just felt off in certain aspects. And now onto season 2….Strap in everybody 🤕

@robbieshand6139

5 ай бұрын

You know that both Troy and Ashley act in the show too?

This show needed 12 episodes, bare minimum. Joel and Ellie needed more time together for me to really buy their relationship. They did well with what they had, but it's pretty clear they needed more.

@AndrewThoesen

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my wife and I agreed on this. It’s hard to figure out because they do a good job with what is on screen, but it’s just *incomplete*.

@EnsignRedshirtRicky

Жыл бұрын

Or to not have two episodes of filler devoted to the ghey. Just because it was in the game is not a defense, as the ratio of actual story to this filler was far better.

@HaragothNAR

Жыл бұрын

Or just cut out episode 3 flashback, Kansas City flashback, and the Ellie flashback. All of those stories could have been told in smaller moments that didn't drink up entire episodes. They could have focuses on Joel and Ellie more instead of giving them the "three months later" treatment.

@vaff69420

Жыл бұрын

I think it is almost always good in this day and age if the only xonplaint you have about the show that it was too short. Most tv shows are filled to the brim with filler episodes. While it is true that the flashback and story episodes are not neccesary, but I belivmeve they were important, since the y helped in the process of building the atmosphere.

@TheIronDuke9

Жыл бұрын

What were they gonna do? Have episodes where they are just walking through a post-apocalyptic world together? There's a movie called "The Road" for that, and if you need more zombie fighting there's a show called The Walking Dead for that, among many others. I think an audience should be sophisticated enough to realize that they've covered a lot of miles and spent a lot of time together, it doesn't need to be depicted on screen. This show was refreshing for the things it chose not to include as much as what it chose to include

I'm just glad Ashley Johnson got to play the mom in the story. She was Ellie in the games and I wanted her to get to be a part of it

@firstlast9846

Жыл бұрын

I kind of wish they went the Netflix Arcane route and just adapted a piece of the lore instead of the game itself… Imagine the series had been about Joel and Tommy’s days as Hunters? Or just Ellie’s mothers story?

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

@@firstlast9846 LoL isn't really a story-driven game, it's a fighting multiplayer. TLOU certainly is story-driven.

@anttikettunen8601

Жыл бұрын

But to me that somewhat makes the plot line even more stupid. I mean cmon, the black woman (name escapes me for the moment) had to understand the reason why Ellie was immune. In what world you wouldn't even try to replicate the situation, it's not like it would be difficult? No, let's just kill off the daughter of a dear now dead friend instead? WTH? If Ellies immunity was left as an open thing, then the plot line would make all the more sense.

@tdata545

Жыл бұрын

@notnow OMFG THEY FINALLY RELEASED IT? NO WAY? HOW COOL. HEAVY #SARCASM

@DietersYT

Жыл бұрын

@@anttikettunen8601 damn that’s a really good point that I’ve never heard

I'm not sure if I was the only one who felt like Joel's decision in the game seemed more understandable than in the show. Did anyone else get the sense that we were supposed to see Joel as a bit of a crazed lunatic towards the end of the show? Whereas in the game it was more balanced? We know it's probably not the right choice for the greater good, but we could all see ourselves doing the same. We definitely could have done with 2 more eps of Joel and Ellie actually 'surviving' together, against infected and/or other survivors. Build up their relationship and chemistry through action as well as those little chats they have throughout.

I had a pretty massive issue with the ending of the show. In the game it wasn't so black and white. There was grey area on all sides. From the other Doctors who wondered if there work was even moral and some wondering if they could even afford morality. Especially with Joel there was a lot of grey area because even he second guesses himself in a time where he was acting completely off of impulse. The show kind of tries to make it like Joel just went completely unhinged and almost like what he did he knows was bad but he had no other choice. To me that totally undercuts why the Last of Us had one of the best ending in a video game of all time.

I did not play the game, so I’ve heard how bad ass Joel is for 8 episodes and FINALLY saw a glimpse of it in 9

@SweetandFullofGrace

Жыл бұрын

Thats nothing.. he is stone cold killer... its a journey which is the feeling you dont get from the series

@Thefirstbrady

Жыл бұрын

Games kill people like 90% of the time. Gotta fill map space somehow, but the “Joel murders 20 fireflys with automatic weapons” is kind of a stretch irl. Fuckin john wicked that hospital scene in a supercut edit.

@stuffylamb3420

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they finally showed it. It's a shame we didn't get to see more of it throughout the series.

@js100serch

Жыл бұрын

Play the game, Joel is awesome in it. Not only because he is more badass but because the way they wrote his character has more subtlety.

@dreadlordb0b319

Жыл бұрын

@@stuffylamb3420 Agree 100%

What about the reveal that Ellie's mom was pregnant when she herself got infected? Marline was there and saw it. Therefore, she had a pretty good guess as to why Ellie was immune. In my opinion, it throws a wrench in the plot because the fireflies didn't need to spend all their resources on saving Ellie. The could have recreated Ellie at any point. They would just have to wait until women got pregnant and then infect them shortly before birth. A terrible thing to do, but one that would bring about a population of people immune to the fungus.

@adrenjones9301

Жыл бұрын

And its not like the Fireflies would be above kidnapping women for their experiments.

@plr2473

Жыл бұрын

Its a bit of a stretch to recreate that with a pregnant woman, especially not knowing when she was bit exactly. And whose to say they fireflies didnt try already and fail

@jonathanmohr1171

Жыл бұрын

@@plr2473 Well, the game is working off the premise that nobody has any idea why Ellie is immune. If Marlene saw Ellie's mom get bit and then found out her child was immune, I'd say that warrants looking into. Even if it turns out to be nothing. It would be less costly than protecting Ellie no matter what.

@Darion350

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmohr1171 It was better that we didn't know why she was immune. Not everything has to be explained.

@jonathanmohr1171

Жыл бұрын

@@Darion350 Sometimes less is more.

Lack of infected is certainly a thing. I don't think the show really captured that "killing is a necessity" element either. Joel got a few significant kills, but that 'savagely murder someone to get a few more bullets' element is missing

I'm glad that new people can experience this story as a show for the first time but I still think the games are the best version of the story. Troy Backer and Ashley Johnson's performances are just so good. Also it doesn't help that the show has to set up the trash that is the second game.

@liamsilverman2713

5 ай бұрын

Take another crack at the second game, it really is a great story and has great gameplay, I know Joel’s death soured it for a lot of people, but the story really couldn’t have gone anywhere without it. It was the catalyst for literally everything that happened.

@AceofSpades-zi6zx

Ай бұрын

​@liamsilverman2713 I'm just going to note that so many aspects of the second games story just doesn't make any amount of sense compared tk the first game. I'm glad you liked it though!

The big cut for me that pissed me off was Ellie and David fighting off infected at the saw mill, really helped establish the trust between them and his betrayal hit way harder. Also game David was way creepier

@liamphibia

Жыл бұрын

I would have chosen Steven Ogg for the role of David, but Scott Shepherd did pretty good.

@StrigWilson

Жыл бұрын

@@liamphibia everything in the show was great, but as with any adaptation something about a lot of it just came across as lukewarm. I'd compare it to going to a restaurant you used to love but it's a vegan place now. Same menu, but vegan versions of everything you used to like. Its good stuff....but something is off.

@rael1999

Жыл бұрын

Bang on point ! I also thought the battles that Joel and Ellie had with the infected together also did the same thing in terms of bringing them together and we hardly saw any of them at all in the TV Series.

@thegreatpiginthesky3904

Жыл бұрын

@Strig Wilson nah anything Vegan is awful. Original game is the best. Part 2 and the show are dogshit

@francescofulghieri9608

Жыл бұрын

Ellie’s acting was a lot better in the show around their confrontation. in the show ellie sounds actually desperate and not a perfect calculated thinker like in the game when David puts her on the table with the knife

My biggest gripe about the series is that you have no idea that Joel is supposed to be a badass until the final episode. Guy barely kills anyone during this season then BOOM he takes out at least 15 people in the very last episode. Also Joel & Ellie's relationship felt as if it had barely changed at all from start to finish. Also why do the infected deep kiss you now? They got rid of spores & gas mask so the infected can kiss us?

@sabincioflec8413

Жыл бұрын

Especially after a few episodes ago where he kept saying he is too slow/weak and his brother would do better and he got stabbed etc etc. Weak show overall, i think the drinker has seen so much crap lately that even something mediocre seems like gold. The last of us has 9.1 imdb rating and Arcane has 9, these 2 shows don't belong in the same league together. Also he used to be funny, did he gave up drinking?

@ProBaiter0012

Жыл бұрын

@@sabincioflec8413 he need to stay sober to do his writing.

@xitaris5981

Жыл бұрын

@@sabincioflec8413 Don't belong in the same league - I see what you did there :P

@Patrix8558

Жыл бұрын

yeah, they turned him pretty much to a monster.. I mean.. not that it was fine, but it seemed less black and white in the game than here. It seemed to be a real dilemma in the game, while here he turned to john wick and went on a rampage because game did it too.

@sabincioflec8413

Жыл бұрын

@@xitaris5981 😄 i have my moments

I’m surprised you didn’t mention… THE MESSAGE

Very charitable and generous. The Last of Us did a great job of making me not GAF about The Last of Us, and that's probably the only thing it did particularly well. That this show is getting a pat on the back from so-called critical reviewers is, to me, just further evidence that standards are being gradually degraded over time, which is probably at least some part of why media seems to continue getting worse and worse. I honestly get the sense that some seem to be going out of their way to give it a pat on the back, and I don't get the hesitancy or reluctance to categorize it for what it is: mediocre at best. Just because it's not an absolute, wall-to-wall dumpster fire of the same ilk as RoP, etc. (not to worry, I'm sure it'll get there eventually on this trajectory) doesn't mean it deserves at pat on the back. But eh, I guess when you're inundated with absolute dumpster fires, you get desensitized to a normal trash can? Lipstick on a pig, and other similar metaphors apply.

I'm really not sure if it just felt rushed because I played the game first, which builds the relationship slower and builds a greater connection because you're directly involved rather than a spectator. People I talk to who didn't play the game really enjoy it. Looking forward to their opinions of the finale at work tomorrow.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

rushed is an understatement. This was The Fast of Us

@soft-and-wet9788

Жыл бұрын

yeah it was rushed look at the last two episodes they jumped so fast to cannibals to fireflies them it just ends it was really rushed

@jackreeves7

Жыл бұрын

​@@purefoldnz3070 you're probably wanting gameplay, its a show mate

@rakuencallisto

Жыл бұрын

I never played the game. As a gamer, it felt off. I did not enjoy it mostly. It felt almost like showing Resident Evil to non gamers. It was a travesty of gamers and I didn't even play the game.

@jackreeves7

Жыл бұрын

@@rakuencallisto Play the game if you can, it's a masterpiece

My problem: You've got 9 episodes to tell a badass story about a man a teenage girl's relationship in a hellscape. They spent 1 full episode on a side char's gay romance and 1 full episode on the lost gay love of the teenage girl. So many amazing action and dialogue sequences in the game were chucked so they could do this. And what pisses me off is I know WHY they did this... which just poisons the rest of the show for me. Plus we got a Karen girl boss for 2 episodes that gets 100's of people killed for stupid reasons. And they made a character deaf to check a box.

@jesperburns

Жыл бұрын

Excellent summary

@LauraR0ckzLolz

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Even if it was a good adaptation, the woke narrative will ruin everything like it always does. That's the main reason I don't want to give it a chance, it's preaching "the message"

@vnever9078

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly summarised. No good story is free from this stuff these days.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention Joel spend two whole episodes taking a nap 😴. I know it’s game-accurate but why not spent more time with the game-accurate action sequences for Joel instead of cutting it off to give screen time to irrelevant side characters?

@KevinOnEarth_

Жыл бұрын

Episode 3 was great imo, but episode 7 was definitely too indulgent. You bring up a fair point, but I would have made the season longer by an episode or two. 9 episodes? Who tf makes 9 and not 10? Just one more episode to really flesh out Ellie and Joel together would’ve have made a *huge* difference, especially with pacing bc episode 9 was jarring with how fast they pushed the relationship.

I was unbelievably disappointed at the lack of infected. They are what drew so many people to the franchise in the first place

God i hope they change story for season 2, i mean, Joels golfing session is not something i look forward to see again *insert Tyrion puking clip

When I watched episode two and Tess was explaining how the zombie virus works and how they can sense a human from far away it actually seemed like a dangerous world. However as the show goes on I the post apocalypse seems more and more pathetic and easy to survive in.

@sivad1025

Жыл бұрын

Did they even bring that back a single time?

@darthraider450

Жыл бұрын

@@sivad1025 nope 😂

@dragons_red

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was actually MORE dangerous in the show, because you could be targeted by accidentally stepping on something at any time, but other than that onve scene, it's never an issue prior nor again.

@TheWefikus

Жыл бұрын

To me, it was always that they dramatically presented people running away… from 1 infected, which they easily killed in the end, yet they all just easily get bitten . Both Riley and Ellie’s mom - you’re sitting there expecting a whole horde of them, and then… it’s just one? Not even a clicker? Seriously?

@eanderson9599

Жыл бұрын

Obviously outbreak day was wild, but it’s shocking to me that more types of villages like Tommy’s didn’t exist. The infected are hard to beat when there’s hundreds of them but it never seemed that dangerous if you were prepared/walled off

It says a lot about modern adaptations when just sort of getting it right feels like a major win.

@Benji-jj2bg

Жыл бұрын

they hit it out of the park tbh

@florada34

Жыл бұрын

@@Benji-jj2bg Deep into foul territory.

@Crichjo32

Жыл бұрын

I've only seen the first few episodes, but so far it just seems quite good, not the mind blowing revolutionary show some critics seem to be making it out to be. I feel like the game handled the depictions of Joel and Ellie better, especially Ellie.

@jeroenschaafsma138

Жыл бұрын

The standard for 'soft of getting it right' has dropped so goddamn much that even the drinker isnt as honest as he would have been years ago.

@jonathandevereaux298

Жыл бұрын

​@@Benji-jj2bg an opinion isn't being honest, it's not a fact....

I really didn't like this series, but I loved the game.

@willw3736

Жыл бұрын

I didn't like it either. It was a Woke mess. Surprised TCD liked it. Hes liking a lot of woke stuff lately it seems. Might be time to find a new reviewer

Sorry, gotta call you out for missing the point of the mall scene. The purpose was to show why is so afraid to form new relationships that she pushes people away before they can get close. She has learned that she better not let herself care about people because they are just going to die in the end.

My suspension of disbelief was stretched beyond its factory setting when Ellie's mum pushed out her baby in about four seconds. My daughter was incredibly quick with her first child but Ellie's mum was Usain Bolt in comparison. And don't get me started on the viability of gasoline after twenty-odd years...

@P.T.S.E.

Жыл бұрын

All that aside, how in the world would they have brought that tractor battery out of the city in the first episode without being noticed if it was functional? Or how would they have got out of the city with a car? Or how would they have delivered a heavy-ass battery to a car, outside of a derelict city, when they can barely traverse it on foot while lightly packed? Also, how in the earth did they manage to have serviced a twenty plus years old car to be functional, but can't start it without a battery? Why didn't they have already made their own batteries or supra-capacitors? Also: car tire shelf life, hydraulic fluid shelf life, lubrication fluid shelf life, rubber seal shelf life, timing belt shelf life, fan belt shelf life are all less then ten years. They can get all of those for the specific make and model, but not a battery. Not to mention, that in that climate, all abandoned cars would have rusted beyond saving, especially the bearings and the breaks. And I wouldn't even harp on any of these if they didn't make a major plot point that they only lack a battery to get to Joel's brother, who may or may not be in danger, or may or may not be dead already.

@swmtothemoon6660

Жыл бұрын

Does fight or flight affect birth time?

@thalanoth

Жыл бұрын

@@P.T.S.E. to be fair, the show skips 20 years where as the game only skips 15

@franug

Жыл бұрын

Maybe she was in labor the whole time, and it's not that odd for the final pushing to be super fast. A friend of mine had hers 20 minutes after she arrived in the clinic, lol, and there are faster births

@thalanoth

Жыл бұрын

@@franug they made Ashley Johnson give a fake birth and get shot. The last of us p2 vibes are ringing hatd...

Literally just watch the cutscenes if you want a Last of Us show, it will be better and practically looks real. Everyone forgets or will never know just how savage Joel was.

@onylra6265

Жыл бұрын

Mate you didn't have to murder everyone you saw. I always thought that was one of cleverer parts of the game - it was a pretty obvious comment on the critiques of uncharted where Drake is massacring people around the world and you're expected to like him. Game Joel is a monster who essentially abducted a pubescent girl. If you think that's cool I'd reflect on what that says about you.

@brickbusters1940

Жыл бұрын

​@Onylra tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game.

@thomasgarza9304

Жыл бұрын

@@onylra6265 Bwahaha were talking about a story called "The Last Of Us", what in the name of God are you spewing ??

@brickbusters1940

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Garza these are the fans of the TV show my friend, how did they brainwash so many 😢

@mattstansbeary3068

Жыл бұрын

Stop thinking the Fireflies are the heroes and think of them as Gang members you know what they do if they even got the cure. Join us or die. So really it was evil vs. Evil and Joel has a Gun and he wants Eillie back.

Between episodes 3 & 7, the latter was way more relevant to the overall story. It covers how Ellie got bit and gives her a tragic backstory that sheds light on the speech that she gave Joel about knowing what loss is. Otherwise, Sam would've been her only personal motivation (already halfway through her journey) to save the world since her & Tess weren't really that close. The flashback in the 3rd episode doesn't even matter since all that needed to happen was for Joel & Ellie to find Bill's letter.

@Mrdevs96

Жыл бұрын

Yup find the letter cut to a short 2 minute flashback boom . Way too slow paced no memorable action pieces bland bland bland

@owenchafer1083

Жыл бұрын

​@@Mrdevs96 You're literally a soyjak, you don't get an opinion

@GBDupree

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, but they actually kind of flipped the dynamics of those scenes. In the game Bill's section has relevance to the story and helps establish Ellie's story and had a realistic grounded tone. But the DLC was unnecessary and cartoonish. Meanwhile in the show, Bill's section was an unrealistic cartoon with no relevance to the story, but Ellie's backstory was made much more realistic and grounded and adds a lot to both Ellie's story while also emphasizing her current situation and feeling of helplessness. that said both episodes drag out too much. (I can at least see why 7 fills up most of it with backstory so that the following part with David can be left for the next episode rather than cutting into the middle of it for time if it were attached to the second half of episode 7, and to add more to Ellie's backstory)

I just finished episode 3 and I just need to say how aggravated I am at how they completely changed the Bill chapter. Easily one of my favorite parts of the game. I will press on as the show is well done, but proceeding with caution.

@raymondsims7042

Жыл бұрын

It only gets worse from there😂😂

Maybe it's because I've played the game all the way through many times and consider it to be superior in every way but I just felt absolutely nothing through the whole season. Not to mention a zombie show with almost no zombies, which was what made the atmosphere in the game so compelling and on the edge of your seat. It wasn't bad and definitely could of been worse and it's the best video game adaptation so far, given how low the bar is for that genre.

@naughtybethesda1954

Жыл бұрын

I agreed until you said it’s the best video game adaptation so far. It’s bad in my opinion. They made so many bad decisions that detracted from what was the main focus of the games story. I still think Prince of Persia is the best so far.

@saltywinchester1600

Жыл бұрын

*could HAVE been. Man, where do you guys learn English? Greetings from Germany.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

@@naughtybethesda1954 Nothing beats Arcane. And in terms of accuracy, TLOU is better than Prince.

@malthael966

Жыл бұрын

​@NaughtyBethesda 1 prince of persia is slept on. But yeah, i sank an ungodly amount of time into tlou back in the day and ive loved it ever since. This show has failed as far as i can see

@Patrix8558

Жыл бұрын

it is strange, isnt it? one would say it is "because you know the story", but on the other hand, you can play the game numerous times and still get those heights and downs beat very strongly, but in the show, none of it seemd to ring the bell the same strenght as in the game (even with replays)

Honestly felt like Ellie and Joel were still strangers right up until the last episode suddenly they care about each other? The game will always be the best way to enjoy this story

@mapesdhs597

Жыл бұрын

I never had the time or desire to play the game, but my fiance & I did enjoy watching those on the Teens React channel play it all the way through, it was fun to see the change from their dislocated attitude at the start (it's just a game, and splatting zombies is fun!) to getting completely sucked into the story and ending up really caring about the characters.

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

They have cared about each other since like E5, dude.

@mister-pinkman

Жыл бұрын

Did you just skip episodes 2-8 dude?

@RedStar_N7

Жыл бұрын

You have shit memory. Few episodes in and we see Joel stayed up all night after he saw how scared she was in the woods. And not two episodes ago Ellie made the decision to stick by Joel despite his low survival odds. Guess you already forgot all that though

@tomgu2285

Жыл бұрын

Lmao did you watch the show?

The great thing about this genre of post apocalyptic story telling is the notion discussed in "The Road", and that is does the world deserve to be saved. So much in the game shows you that people do not deserve the cure Elle and Joel are trying to create which makes that climatic finale and debate of what Joel chooses to do all the more impactful. The people still alive can be compared to the monsters that still roam around which is supposed to make you think what the point of saving those who have lost their sense of humanity would be. The Last of us show does not do this because it decides to try and humanize the challenges throughout Elle and Joel's journey. Neil undoubtedly pushes this notion of violence begetting violence, which is a classic theme but not interesting. For my money I will always prefer someone who asks you to think beyond the norms we are used to and the game I think does a way better job of making you think man things are really fucked up, is it possible for people like David or anyone in Kansas city to redeem themselves. The human in you will always say yes but the realist will tell you to not be greedy and take what you have found for yourself, that in this case being Elle.

I haven't played the game, just watched the thing almost 10 years ago by now, so take that in mind. My only real problem with the show was on its ending, which really felt like it was saying "Joel is the bad guy". It didn't feel dubious at all. In the game it's hinted a lot that Ellie's sacrifice might be for nothing and that it might as well not work at all, making the player (or in my case, viewer) wonder and worry that it may be best not to do I cause it may be futile. In the show it felt like the emphasis was on Joel stopping the thing (being "a toxic overprotective father") rather than the moral dilemma of doing it or not. The ending should've felt like Schrödinger's cat dilema, not an almost clear cut "Joel's the bad guy". There should have been, in my opinion, an entire episode of various characters' perspectives on sacrificing Ellie or not for the possibility of a cure.

What I didn't quite get is the mall being locked out because it's so freaking dangerous even tho it possesses some of the things that can be used in post apocalyptic society, and was supposedly overrun with infected and it hade ONE whole infected zombie.

@chiarruzini1191

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but that's not a fault of the adaptation rather of the dlc itself. In the game the mall is also shut down bc it's allegedly full of infected

@StarRain6

Жыл бұрын

fireflies cleared it out to be used as a post.

@ge2719

Жыл бұрын

yeah, they explained that in the episode. the fireflies cleared it out and posted the girl there they just missed one infected.

@NaturallySelected

Жыл бұрын

@@chiarruzini1191 Aren't there quite a lot of infected in there in the game?

@gavinpalmer4458

Жыл бұрын

@@NaturallySelected yes

I started laughing when Ellie's mother gave birth while fighting a zombie with only a knife. Holy shit

@Adeodataomnia

Жыл бұрын

Is that why her daughter’s face looks a bit different?

@Guest-sg6mx

Жыл бұрын

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug

@Jchueire

Жыл бұрын

I hate that they tried to justify her immunity

@CursedWheelieBin

Жыл бұрын

@@Jchueire She is to clickers what Blade was to vampires. Does that make her the Click Walker?

@phauntis

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jchueire I mean it's not a bad idea except for the placental wall which fungi would have a major issue getting through

For me, the whole thing felt so rushed (whilst at the same time so slow because a whole lot of nothing could happen for long stretches at a time). Ultimately, I don't think they gave the necessary time to do justice to the heart of the story: Joel and Ellie (none of the emotional moments hit because it didn't feel believable that they would feel so deeply for one another given how little it had felt they had gone through). For that reason, I don't think it was a successful adaptation. They also didn't do the world justice because, generally, the feeling of dread just wasn't there. Omitting the Infected from the show as much as they did was a mistake, and same for action in general. Action isn't just pew pew, bang bang; it's conflict - conflict that would have done wonders for the development of our protagonists, both on an individual level and regarding their relationship.

It was kinda funny how Joel asks Tommy about the trip from Jackson to the University and its like "Its barley possible, only once have we returned with few survivors" Then Joel and Ellie get the entire way there with 0 resistance and only face 1 Cannibal on there way out. the sad part was they did such a good job with the Zombie's when they were on screen. Clickers were hard to stop and a Bloater was almost impossible. I feel like Bella gets a bad rap because Ashley is just a MUCH better and more experienced actor than she is. Pedro is a great actor and you can see that he has that darker force when hes given stuff to work with but the script directions muted him alot to just be "Grumpy old guy". Its just a hard comparison because Troy and Ashley did a better job and had more to work with and more time to do it as there are alot less restraints on studio filming compared to on location shots. I do hope Execs take heed that its how an adaptation should be done. Im terrified of Season 2 because all iv been hearing is they are diverting from the games more and more and probably wont get to Golf untill S4 from what iv been reading

@FlaxeMusic

Жыл бұрын

What..? Joel asked Tommy about the University and he says that everyone that's ever left for their has returned. That it's dangerous but nothing Joel can't handle.

@ez6888

Жыл бұрын

@@FlaxeMusic and… it wasn’t dangerous at all. The characters, in show, literally comment on it themselves how they didn’t run into anything.

@haydeng3541

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, diverting from the source material could actually be a good thing for part 2

@VitZ9

Жыл бұрын

There isn't going to be a Season 4. HBO have only ordered Season 2, but Mazin and Druckman are hopeful for a Season 3 to "finish it off". They probably will get a S3, but you never know. In my opinion, this show is a great example of how shit video game stories are. It was an average show, being hyped up by people who played the games as the greatest story ever told, but it's really not. It's just Ripley and Newt in Alien 2, or Grant and Tim and Lex in Jurassic Park. And frankly, both of those films did it a lot better. Anyway, HBO usually wait till they have seen a full season internally before renewing them, which is why their renewal announcements usually come after the first or second episode. It's all going to come down to if they decide to kill Joel off, and if the ratings survive what the games didn't. Personally I think the way they did S1 it's pretty clear they will be killing Joel immediately and pivoting to a more progressive and inclusive main character, who isn't defined by her gender and.. 😴😴😴 Anyway, it's going to be close to two years till we see S2, so we will just have to wait and see what happens.

@haydeng3541

Жыл бұрын

@@VitZ9 I'm a bit confused as to how a TV adaptation that isn't 1/5 as good as the original is an example of "how shit video game stories are"

Did you guys noticed how they made the fireflies more cool and likeable in the show? The same terrorist group that attacked U.S. government safety zones killing tons of innocent civilians, more than once btw. And the reason i think they did that, is because they want "us" to sympathize with the fireflies and hate Joel for saving Ellie.

I think a lot of the changes from the video-game story were kinda weird and cheesy. One of my favorite parts of the game is the arc with Henry and Sam because of the way their dynamic mirrors Joel and Ellie and reinforces the difficulty of opening yourself up emotionally in a dying world. The inclusion of that whole sidestory with the revolutionary leader (the woman with the voice of a 5 year old) was laughable and really detracted from one of the stronger side stories in the game.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

This "sidestory" was for Joel's development. To make him question - would he sacrifice everything to save his kid?

@edmediciN7

Жыл бұрын

She was terrible. The pretense of her been someone to be afraidjust made me laugh. Joel just get some development in the end of the arc. All the way there when deviating of the game made me facepalm. The last battle was good at the very least

@PerezSoundMusic

Жыл бұрын

That lady was easily the worst part of the show. That character was given far too much time.

@tlf2818

Жыл бұрын

But Henry and Sam's story still mirrors Joel and Ellie's, but maybe in a different way. Henry offers the leader of the revolution (a calm, centered, ethical man) to FEDRA in order to save Sam. He is the one that deprived all those people of a good leader, of someone who could have made the revolution in a less violent way. When Kathleen asks him "Is Sam worth everything", she means everything: was saving Sam worth the lives of countless people that were tortured, rap*d and killed by FEDRA and the many more lives that could have been saved if Michael were still alive? It's the same type of decision Joel had to make in the end.

@PhonesHQ

Жыл бұрын

@@tlf2818 I did like the change where *Henry* put Sam’s well-being ahead of the greater good because it more directly leaned into Joel eventually putting El ahead of the greater good. But the entire revolution against Fedra thing just felt slapped on and went nowhere. The whole revolution ended up as fungus food for a bloater that we saw for like 2 minutes at most and never came back.

Being a zombie series, this had very little zombies. It was once again one of those shows where they only fight against humans.

@firstlast9846

Жыл бұрын

It’s not about zombies tho.. I think the mistake you’re making is some of these “zombie” shows are about human drama as opposed to constant zombie hordes.

@peytonalexander5300

Жыл бұрын

I will never understand why people expect zombie shows to just be people shooting at zombies for 60 minutes every week. It’s a story about love, loss and questions of morality. That’s much more interesting than having every episode be “Okay guys, how do we make this next zombie fight different from the last 20 zombie fights?”

@666melodeath666

Жыл бұрын

@@peytonalexander5300 Its also based off an action video game. The show doesnt have much action. The zombies feel barely like a threat in this show. Gone is the threat and caution of Clickers and Bloaters.

@johndodo2062

Жыл бұрын

​@@firstlast9846 it's about mold zombies. Cut the shit

@johndodo2062

Жыл бұрын

​@@666melodeath666 did you play the game? What you just said is really dumb and not even slightly accurate

i decided to abandon it after the first two episodes. I didn't think Bella Ramsey was a good Ellie and I got a bit sick of seeing Reddit lose their mind for something which I didn't think was really going to live up to its promise. Tess' death scene just wasn't a patch on the acting and dialogue in the game and I didn't want to keep comparing stuff like that so I thought it was easier just to leave it for other people to enjoy. Still, reading up on what they got wrong its still baffling how a team with such a big budget, time and...supposed talent can still drop the ball in big enough ways for everyone to see. They're meant to be the experts, not us.

@robogreek3157

Жыл бұрын

She was the worst choice. I think it was Neil druckmanns emphasis on non sexualized gay women. This dude is weird

@eliteteamkiller319

Жыл бұрын

Well your loss. She absolutely kills it starting at around the end of episode 5.

@robogreek3157

Жыл бұрын

@@eliteteamkiller319 she looks and acts nothing like ellie. Horrible casting. I even said Pedro was a horrible choice for joel but I have to give this man props. He did a PHENOMENAL JOB bringing Joel to life

@thomgizziz

2 ай бұрын

Bella Ramsey would be great acting as a person that has down's syndrome.

@thomgizziz

2 ай бұрын

@@eliteteamkiller319 no

This show Season 1 did turn out better than I thought. I wonder what season two holds for us? Naw, it'll be fine!

I loved seeing the original voice actress of Elle as Elle's mother!

@crowsbridge

Жыл бұрын

that's pretty cool. I haven't seen this show, but I watch Ashley on Critical Role.

@dannyc1700

Жыл бұрын

She’s also the voice of Gretchen grundler from recess.

@wausjackbauer128

Жыл бұрын

Yeah when she was making grunting noises, all I could hear was Ellie. It was a bit jarring

@thepancakemann

Жыл бұрын

​@@wausjackbauer128 a real fan folks, this one right here!

@xdestron

Жыл бұрын

Captain America saved my life

Sometimes I'm reminded even the Drinker can be blinded to glaring plot holes. If the Fireflies know how Ellie became immune, why do they even need her in the first place? On top of that, they changed the morally gray ending by changing the context of the situation. It reaks of Neil Druckman's rewriting of the Fireflies in TLOU2 to be selfless kind people that they simply never were in the original game.

@brickbusters1940

Жыл бұрын

Instead of making it ambiguous and heartfelt, it looked psychopathic and evil. The only way they could justify Joel's death in the sequel.

@a_loyal_kiwi88

Жыл бұрын

Something I've noticed as I've watched Drinker over the years, and maybe it's just me, is that Drinker seems to be more lenient on things that he would have otherwise pointed out directly in his older videos. Maybe he's trying to be more "open" or whatever to appeal to wider spectrum of watchers, all power to him if that's the case, but it irks me still. I feel like he's going too easy on this show to be honest, he could have went really hard on it, it's pretty clear to any TLOU fan that there are things wrong with this show, but this video seemingly ignores a lot of them or downplays them to cast the show in a better light. Like claiming the ending was just as powerful as the original game's? Maybe that's true for someone with no ties to the original source material, who is able to stomach the glaring flaws the rest of the show has. Everything previous to the ending taints it, and while it may not be as bad as other shows, it's still subpar entertainment with very obvious agenda's inserted.

@jaysnow701

Жыл бұрын

They may have knew how, but they would still have needed the brain(not really, just some fluid) And they didn't know she was until she was bit. So not a plot hole.

@daraotl5187

Жыл бұрын

@@a_loyal_kiwi88 I honestly didn't pick up on any of this 'obvious agenda' that you and Drinker did. Drinker talks about 'oOh sTrOnG iNdePeNDaNt ELlIe' but she's just a slightly more headstrong game Ellie. And to be honest, I think the ending was more impactful than the game for 2 reasons: Pascal's acting was far more real than the game's, the scene where he wakes up in the hospital room hits you like a truck especially as it happened right after the scene he and Ellie had together. And two, Marlene's history with Ellie and her mother, and the line Marlene delivers to that point. The only thing that made the game ending more emotional was 1) the score and 2) the fact that it was a 20 hour game as opposed to like 11 hours of TV. That said, I do agree that there were a lot of things Drinker could have nitpicked that he didn't

@babbit09

Жыл бұрын

@@brickbusters1940 Like how Joel gunned down the Firefly that put his gun down and was holding his arms up, I saw that and knew instantly what they were trying to do.

Well Drinker, I have to say the answer to both of the questions you asked was "No!" And "No." Was it faithful to the source? God no. Just the ending they setup would make this a flat no, to say nothing of the massive changes to side characters and main characters. Will it do a good job adapting it? No, it already failed on point one, but even if we ignore that (a pretty huge ask) the quality of adaptation is just pitiful. Could it have been worse? Maybe. It's hard to tell. You know the uncanny valley effect? Well that applies to the harm a deliberately misstructured 'adaptation' of a story can inflict. Something like Witcher Blood Origin is so pathetically bad it doesn't have much impact. No one with an opinion I have any respect for would even try to defend it. See Rings of Power for similar levels of failure. But then you have something like this, where for some reason, by being slightly less shite, some folks are willing to give a pass. Is this the standard you consider good now Drinker? Is this acceptable to you? Because it truly should not be. Now maybe with time for reflection your viewpoint will change on this 'adaptation'. Maybe it won't. Or maybe I'm just not hearing the depth of sarcasm you intended.

@tzutzescu

Жыл бұрын

Best comment I've read so far. He's either slipping away from the baseline of what's actually decent, or he's turning into a shill. I hope it's the former rather than the latter, and we get the old boy back. Also "the message", a line he coined originally, is SO evident, I'm amazed he didn't see it.

I read positive reviews so I watched it, but I had to quit on Ep. 3. Not only did it do nothing to further the story, it was quite gross. Some straight dude with PTSD gets manipulated into taking it up the butt. I decided that was enough of The Last of Us for me. Everything I've heard about the show going forward from Ep. 3 does not sound good enough to get back into the show, it actually sounds kind of boring.

Now holup, if Ellie got her 8munity from bitten mother...the flies don't even need Elie, they can just replicate the effect and get as many test subjects as they need.

@Vlabar

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing

@antraxxslingshots

Жыл бұрын

If they only knew how it happened because the mother lied. and good luck getting the timing right with a Women in blow

@iwatchmovies2much

Жыл бұрын

But they don’t know that. Ellie’s mom told Marlene she was bitten after the umbilical cord was cut. They had no reason to ever doubt her because Ellie doesn’t show signs of infection.

@Ebowe2002

Жыл бұрын

But the magic tester that detects the virus would have found her out loooong before she got bit. That broke the immersion there for me.

@guardian7keys

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ebowe2002it's not a virus, it's fungus

My biggest flaw is how we spent an entire episode on the Ellie backstory plot and got virtually no segments of actually seeing Ellie become a survivor and how exactly she stayed alive and took care of Joel for however long he was healing. That backstory is super essential to Ellie’s character and motivations so I’m glad we saw at least some of it, but maybe if they did half the episode as flashbacks and the other half as present day Ellie learning how to survive, this show would have been so much better

@liamjm9278

Жыл бұрын

She hunted animals and kept Joel warm whilst tending to his wounds. They show that, they don't need to linger on it. They also establish that Joel was teaching her things in previous episodes.

@thrillcollectors

Жыл бұрын

@@liamjm9278 don’t need to linger on what it would be like to survive and keep a severely wounded friend alive in the middle of winter in a post apocalyptic wasteland? Nah just show that Joel is still hurt and Ellie is now badass. That’ll be good. Wouldn’t wanna linger. Unless it’s a flashback. Let’s linger on that.

@liamjm9278

Жыл бұрын

@@thrillcollectors Repeating yourself isn't a counterargument.

@xelvania1581

Жыл бұрын

​@@liamjm9278 He's making fun of your weak defense of a terrible episode. This is a classic example of tell, don't show, instead of show, don't tell, and that doesn't make for good writing. Showing 5 minutes is not long enough to be believable.

@liamjm9278

Жыл бұрын

@@xelvania1581 So they're being bad faith, huh? I don't see how multiple scenes of setup spread over multiple episodes isn't sufficient. Could've done more but the set-up is there.

For real tho,they showed you that the cordecyps can talk to other cordecyps some distances off for food and coordination and then NEVER delve into that again

I was worried from the start that it would start feeling extremely rushed towards the finale because of how many episodes were flashbacks, which I felt like it did. The only thing I'm truly disappointed by though is episode 3, featuring Bill. Yes it was a good episode, amazing acting and great writing, but I wanted to see Bill bickering with Ellie, that was one of my favourite part in the game. And yes, Bella Ramsey did grow on me as the season went on, but when Ashley Johnson showed up in the last episode it made me miss the original Ellie

I was worried that only 9 episodes wouldn't be enough to fully flesh out the relationship with Ellie and Joel, glad to know that my fears were mostly confirmed. I think those to supplemental episodes are fine IF you have already paced enough relationship building between Ellie and Joel to justify the gravity of Joel's actions in the season finale. In the game, you understand Ellies' loudmouth facade is just that, nothing more than a defense mechanism that really doesn't hold up well to real danger and that Joel is the guardian that slowly teaches her agency.

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

They weren't confirmed though, you we're wrong.

@ha-kh7ef

Жыл бұрын

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 beg to differ. However i think its enough for show watchers.

@bmagada

Жыл бұрын

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Oh sweet baby jesus yes they were.

@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Teenagers brains aren't fully developed and if you've ever known a foster kid, you'd agree her role and acting was accurate for someone with so much trauma. She was resilient and stand offish, accurate for many kids who don't have parents around.

@joeldykman7591

Жыл бұрын

@Random overpopulated world ideas is this supposed to follow the general personality of a foster child or specifically the Ellie of the games? I guess that's the question I feel that needs to be answered.

I like how this show was about a mushroom apocalypse where there wasn't many mushroom zombies

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

The show is about the relationships between characters, but yeah, there should've been more zombies.

@anatole2478

Жыл бұрын

​@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 I don't know.... I'm afraid their aura would have got old pretty fast if we saw them more often, like in twd

@SaintWarrior94

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and if it was a zombie fest you'd be bitching.

@WitcherSigns2023

Жыл бұрын

That’s never what it was about. The infected are merely a background setting

The Joel and Mary Sue Show, formerly known as 'The Last of Us'. Ongoing question: 'Where's the monsters?'

Last of Us 1 will be this one season, Last of Us 2 will be 3-4 seasons. They rushed through this to focus on what they really want to do, kill joel and build up abby.

The lack of infected engagements was a huge let down.

@TheLeadElite

Жыл бұрын

Uh oh, now you're gonna get a reply from that one clown that tells everyone that the human vs human conflicts are more important.

@stc3145

Жыл бұрын

Even The Walking Dead had more action

@secondghost

Жыл бұрын

But Ellie is gay though

@NLBusiness391

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLeadEliteI’m so sick of the “BUT WHAT IF THE HUMANS WERE THE REAL ENEMY?!?” trope, for the love of christ. I’m watching a ZOMBIE SHOW, I just want to see some damn zombies doing zombie stuff. There are endless shows about human vs human conflict, when are we going to get a show that simply depicts an infected enemy that is so dangerous that the humans barely have time to fight with each other?? I got a bad feeling after the end of episode 5 and stopped watching, looks like I made the right call.

@zxeninn

Жыл бұрын

@@stc3145 the walking dead had tons more action and a good story

6 episodes wasn't enough to build the bond (on screen) for the audience between Ellie & Joel, so it feels they had to double down in the final episode.

The show was not bad but not good either. There are so many flaws: 1. The show is not dark enough, it didnt create the apocalyptic dangerous vibe like the walking dead, or Joker's gotham city 2. The show has almost no action, no car accident, no kill, less infected and so on 3. Bella is a great performer, but Ellie became too bold, too bulky, almost no soft spot, no vulnerability, hard to relate. 4. The scenery didnt meet my expectation as well.

To be honest: they did put a lot of "THE MESSAGE" into the show, albeit subtly. The showrunners probably had to do so to get the green light.

Imagine a teenager lecturing you on the intricacies of government in the midst of a zombie outbreak... genius writing.

@macrc2129

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

After watching Chernobyl and now this, it's obvious Craig Mazin knows how to tell a story on screen exceptionally well. But, and there's a couple big buts, I never felt any sense of connection to Joel or Ellie and I never felt immersed in the story. There was nowhere near enough time given to Joel and Ellie's relationship and there was just enough social messaging to annoy a lot of viewers. Lastly, where are all the infected? They feel like a complete afterthought in this show.

@NTJedi

Жыл бұрын

Ellie is extremely ugly for a young girl... it's like someone used a hot iron and gave her a flat face without any features.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

Chernobyl had 70 mins per episode this series barely got 45 mins.

@zihadlazer8737

Жыл бұрын

​@@purefoldnz3070 And that excuses the Poor Pacing?

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

@@zihadlazer8737 what do you mean? I'm agreeing with the first comment lol.

@scottallison172

Жыл бұрын

The fact that there were two infected in the last 5 episodes, both of which were in flashbacks, annoyed the hell out of me. The game was jam-packed with infected.

The revolutionaries in Kansas City shows pretty well that Fedra wasn't the worst kid on the playground. It is also some gallows humour in the fact that Fedra has been around for 20 years and the new kids on the block lasts 10 days; at least they managed sticking around for longer time than the "free zone" in Seattle that ran out of soy milk.

Imagine that pain of Neil Druckmann that he wouldn't able to kill Joel in Season 2 , because Pedro Pascal was so awesome and he knows that most people would drop the show

I enjoyed the first two episodes and the episode with the bloater... well the scenes with the infected anyway. But my biggest issue with it was really how easily they crossed the country overall. When episode 9 came I was amazed that they were already there. I felt like they never really struggled and I dont feel like the infection is that big of a threat. The only time I saw the infection as a huge threat was when the bloater appeared and the hoard overran those bad guys. I was overall underwhelmed by the whole show

@tdcdog77

Жыл бұрын

The game was always about the threat from humans as well as infected, so I kind of liked that it was a decent split between infected and human antagonists. The episode count and lack of infected felt like a budget problem, especially with the track record for live-action adaptations for video games being poor at best.

@akuisbestgirl2448

Жыл бұрын

They definitely did struggle in the show tf are you talking about

@dabeast987

Жыл бұрын

@griffy ye mmmm pizza

@kwanman5146

Жыл бұрын

@@tdcdog77 Think i agree with both points - it took them over a year to cross the country but you never got that sense of the 'struggle'. There was also opportunity for Henry and Sam to expand their character development and also cover the tunnels section and when we eventually lose them the impact is much more devastating. I also think your point regarding budget also holds sway. HBO were taking a huge risk with this IP. Your point about the track record of video game adaption is sketchy at best is pin point. Season 2 if it happens will have a much more expanded budget. Most interesting for me was when they moved away from the game. Knowing the game so well sort of spoiled it for me as a television event. Constant comparisons being made between the two mediums rather than just enjoying it for what it is. Overall it was good.

@PrinceOfChange

Жыл бұрын

No flamethrower 0/10

What kind of doctor decided to do an operation that has never been done and would kill the patient after 2 hours of running tests? Joel was right.

@hopelesslyoptimistic8231

Жыл бұрын

It’s a story-there are going to be leaps taken to make it work. Most importantly the doctor said it could work so it could work; that’s how stories go, if Marlene was sure enough to sacrifice someone she cares about then she isn’t just doing this because there is a 1% chance. Even if it was a 1% that’s a chance that humanity gets to take back the world.

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

Because he already knows what he has to do. They know why Ellie is immune and want to replicate that. Further testing is not gonna change anything.

@iamdmc

Жыл бұрын

and what kind of doctor can't just take a fking biopsy? Sure it's invasive, but it doesn't fking KILL the patient!

@bmagada

Жыл бұрын

Its widely regarded by most people in forums that they don't care if Ellie lives at all and really wouldn't share the immunity with anyone. No one gets that kind of power and doesn't abuse the crap out of it. Its shown through multiple points in the game that the fireflies are terrorists.

@sworddomo1951

Жыл бұрын

​@@bmagada I'd also consider it as selfishly trying to save their own life so they'd make mistakes to get the answer.

What I didn't like about the ending was that it made Joel a bit more unreasonable than in the game. If I remember correctly the fireflies didn't give a shit about her and the cure was nowhere near guaranteed so he said fuck that. Here he just felt a bit more like a monster

There is more gay than zombies in this zombie show

Rather disapointed by how little action there was. We hardly ever saw the infected because writers wanted to focus on other things that didn't happen in the game

@cypher160manny2

Жыл бұрын

To be fair though all the action doesn't exactly work in a movie I mean in the game Joel kills like hundreds of people that's just rediculus

@blondymonk1535

Жыл бұрын

Drama with good writing >>>>>>> any action ever.

@jakubrejak1114

Жыл бұрын

@@blondymonk1535 I don't ENTIRELY agree... but yes.

@Shockkings0714

Жыл бұрын

I don’t, and the majority do not want, mindless action

@zxeninn

Жыл бұрын

@@blondymonk1535 there needed to be at least one or two more action scenes... plus the drama was worse imo

I'll be the last of us to watch the show.

@GeraltofRivia22

Жыл бұрын

I'll be the Last of Us too.

I enjoyed this series but I agree with drinker about the flashback episodes. The 'Mall' one I kinda get, it shows a bit more back story for Ellie, how she got infected, etc, but episode 3 I found completely pointless. I honestly can't remember that happening in the game (it might have, but I really can't remember it...) and it took over an hour to set up something that could've been explained in a few lines of dialogue, e.g; Ellie: "Where are we going?" Joel: Some guys I know built their own little compound. They can help us with some supplies." Ellie: "Ok, cool!" Joel and Ellie arrive at compound. Joel: "Oh shit, they're dead. Fuck." Ellie: "Well we can still take some supplies, right?" Joel and Ellie take supplies and move on. I felt the whole episode was just to drive home the point that even gay, paranoid recluses can find love in a post-apocalyptic world... well, no sh1t, sherlock! I also felt the final episode was a little anti-climactic... I remember the end of the game being a little intense action-wise and there definitely needed to be more zhroombies in the later episodes. But overall, it was fairly well acted and entertaining.

Not sure why we needed a whole episode on the back story of a gay male relationship for a character that makes no impact on the main plot but ok.

The way Pedro said “you’d just come after her” just didn’t hit right with me. Troy baker wasn’t even on screen but I could feel every emotion through his voice.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Pedro’s Joel is too feeble yet over the top. Troy’s Joel has nuance and full of conviction.

@doge973

Жыл бұрын

It's the director's fault. Pedro's good enough to land it but I think the creators didn't want to correct their hollywood star too much.

@Oxygen97

Жыл бұрын

@@nont18411 You mean the generic "shoot everyone, no emotion" video game character? Yawn. Perhaps you'd be interested in The Walking Dead series?

@justadude3789

Жыл бұрын

​@@Oxygen97 if you think that about Joel you either didn't play the game or only payed attention to the action sequences.

@CursedWheelieBin

Жыл бұрын

@@Oxygen97 That’s actually not what Joel is like in the game at all. This isn’t Max Payne or Doom or some macho fantasy. It’s tempting when you’re older to be a snob and look down on the “game” as though it’s something juvenile, but the truth is: this medium has leapt forward with each generation, and Naughty Dog Studios told a better story through the game because that’s what they set out to do and they have a wider array of tools to pull it off. Making a tv show out of it was probably a step backward. What was intuitive and interactive is now linear 🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s one of the many challenges that game adaptations have. The big emotional moments that were lifted from the game kinda fell flat. I suppose you wouldn’t notice if you haven’t watched the story unfold through the game already. If you haven’t played the game, I’d recommend this show. Otherwise, I wouldn’t

I liked the series for what it was. Pedro Pascal nailed it as Joel, both in acting and presentation. And Bella Ramsey's performance felt just like Ellie at times, despite being 40% forehead. But the show doesn't stand up to the game at all. I share the same opinions on the issues you listed, though, my biggest issue is that most of the big emotional moments felt way weaker. Joel's injury at the collage was one of the most intense moments of the game for me, and the show skipped the desperate fight to escape entirely. The rebar was replaced with a lackluster stab wound, and they just left right after. Tess's final scene had a weird spaghetti mouth make out scene for some fucking reason. Overall, there was a lot of pulled punches like that. Though the new scene with Ellies mom near the end was a surprise that gut punched me. They also cut a lot of combat scenes, including ones that played a big part in the emotional pacing of the story. Such as the one right after Joel and Ellie's fight. Which forced a pause on the argument and gave time for us, and the characters to digest/reflect on what was said. I get its a lot of work and money to do big action scenes, but it just felt really disappointing at times. Especially the lack of infected. I have a slew of other issues, but they are nitpicks. I am far too neurodivergent to enjoy the show with all the changes made. But hey, at least its not the Halo TV show.

@pineapplesaucedaboss

Жыл бұрын

40% forehead lol

I miss the times when I didn't know the sexuality of the characters in fictional works :/

Now time for that Amazon *God of War* series… yay Henry Cavil: “Fuck”

@aboriginalsmountup2019

Жыл бұрын

Lmao ohhhh NO

@3lote997

Жыл бұрын

And Netflix, horizon zero dawn

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

You think Henry can play Kratos? That will be interesting...

@shawnm1902

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-xx6vy9ri8p nah, they'll cast the voice actor of Kratos for a more authentic experience

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnm1902 Does he look like Kratos?