I think one huge component of whats missing is the time MMOs were set in. Social media wasnt really big back in the 2000s compared to today, so for gamers, MMOs were THE social media to consume. And that is the magic that cannot be captured again. The magic is literally the context of time. The dawn of the internet, its Wild West era. the 90s and 2000s. And that is gone forever.

@andrewm6788

29 күн бұрын

quest helpers also suck

@mathewlees5587

28 күн бұрын

Yup, nailed it. I disagree that its gone, but the market is milking the people that discovered social media.

@MegamanNBA1

27 күн бұрын

Completely agree. My whole family used to play Classic wow back then and I wouldn't consider any of them gamers.

@elnaimed8395

23 күн бұрын

Not quite agreed. We used to use mIRC chatting and vBulletin's forums back in the day there were huge communities, but non of this MMORPG games could exist without Ultima Online (1997), when Ultima Online: The Second Age came out back in 1998, it changed all the MMO rules (games like Meridian 59, The Realm Online, were old by then). WoW came later... years later, with all the happy carebears (a.k.a. pve players).

@Nimyra

17 күн бұрын

Nah, make another Everquest, insane PVE insane invorenment in D&D style and let people fucking twink, its gg, everything is carebear pve now, so forced and structured and themeparked.

just lets be honest, MMORPG as well as RTS are basically genres on hybernation. Not dead, but not really alive either. Just kinda living on the games that came out decades ago.

@smokedbeefandcheese4144

Ай бұрын

crpgs were like this until recently

@ExireMN

Ай бұрын

The Riftbreaker as a PvE RTS is incredible.

@RemixSSBM

Ай бұрын

mmorpgs have so many massive issues that just don't work in the modern day

@oo1234561000

Ай бұрын

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 what are crpgs? and can you recommend me a good example?

@ARSP33LS

Ай бұрын

@@oo1234561000 Baldurs Gate 3

The problem with mmos these days are all this Early Access.. people get bored before the game is complete and fully released. Mmos used to be a full game before 99.9% of people could play it or see it on KZread ... when UO or WoW was getting released we really had to idea what to except going in

@jakenake3401

Ай бұрын

you are 100% right but also we don't get many good mmo's now, name at least good mmo in decade other then archage ? and even archage was mid, new world felt like fever dream, game was trash at every level possible, thrones & liberty is only good looking mmo coming in last 2 decades, black desert but was absolute garbage

@bens4441

Ай бұрын

100% - I can experience a full game without paying anything by watching a content creator play it. I can start a game off knowing the optimal leveling path just by watching a KZread video a few weeks (days even) into its launch. For a lot of games, I can just pay $5 and have a huge boost over someone who didn't pay $5. I think Asmon is right that whatever the next big MMORPG is it's because it has a completely different feel/core game than what we're used to.

@karserasl

Ай бұрын

100% this.. By the time the game comes out, its "solved". We gonna have 100s different guides, best leveling paths, best builds for dps, best farming etc etc. The mmos now are not even games anymore. They are walkthroughs of guides online

@bt70a9

Ай бұрын

Not even close - early access has nothing to do with a game being bad or good. Good game = players will play.

@Dolo888

Ай бұрын

Honestly think that is the least of the problems since mmos are the most friendly towards adding content and expansions.

world of warcraft was so big that peoples parents started picking up and playing the game after hearing so much about it from news media and TV advertisements blasting about it every day even when it was only at 1 million subscribers. then it went 10 times bigger than that

@bt70a9

Ай бұрын

Bro my dad showed me wow, i was sold immediately - i was only 10 years old though. It really DID gap generations, it was super impressive.

@Gulatzo

29 күн бұрын

But you still couldn't prop jump wooden pallets in WoW. 3/10

Everyone is excited for something good, then they get disappointed when they figure out what they are getting

@wizzard757

Ай бұрын

this is a quote for generations

@PhoenixEnjoyer

Ай бұрын

Everyone is *about DONE* constantly getting the piss taken on, though ... ... 😉 ... ... and WoW will get a nice Surprise i hope, when Ashes of Creation finally enters the Stage.

@fendercodes

Ай бұрын

I think ultimately with MMOs everyone is excited for something that cannot actually exist in a game. A sense of purpose, belonging to something greater than yourself, social connection, bravery and strength. That's called a real life.

@jacobhoffman2553

Ай бұрын

@@PhoenixEnjoyer the chances that this is going To be the golden child after more than ten years of worsening flop trend in the industry is absurd.... the insanity isn't in the development cycle either.... their goal is to make money.... the insanity is in the consumer habits..... there isn't really a pretty way to say it either but if developers keep making more and more money for worse and worse quality products they are not going To make a good game that costs more money to make and brings in less profit... its a sign of collapse.... it'll continue until there is an extreme intervention... could be in the form of new laws and jail tbh or it could be form of actual violent riots... ive seen developers really push the line on inciting a mob of nerds several times in recent years lol

@Katniss0000

Ай бұрын

Overwatch gameplay could be the future of mmorpg. (Tank reinhardt, dps hanzo/genji, healer/support mercy). In a medieval fantasy fighting goblins, dragons, orcs. Maybe too expensive for a open world.

I wonder when Asmon wil realise that his opinion on WoW is based on nostalgia. He hypes it up so high that other games in that era might just as well have been picture books.

@Porter302007

Ай бұрын

When WoW came out it wasn't a great game. It was OK, but wasn't anything special... WoW needed Origin to sh!t the bed by selling to EA. When EA took the lead on Ultima Online they destroyed the game and everyone quit and moved to WoW.

@yous2244

Ай бұрын

Absolutely not, you're just in denial, he's basing it on facts. Just look at the statistics, those tell the truth

@douglasnevins1598

Ай бұрын

I think it was insanely popular culturally, but comparing it to minecraft is wiiilld. You can even do what he said and do a Google trends search and minecraft blows it out of the water

@AvanCade

Ай бұрын

@@yous2244 Please show me the statistics that animations fluidity of WoW was years a head of the competition.

@AvanCade

Ай бұрын

@@douglasnevins1598 I'm not doubting popularity but popularity does not equal quality. And he refers to it several times that it was years ahead of any other game.

The thing that was so cool to me in 2004 with WoW was I was able to interact with all the buildings and zones and characters that I knew from Warcraft 3. Having that knowledge of the story and just the awesome settings and similar art style was the biggest engagement factor. I was 24 at the time and had no kids so that helped too :)

@salinaember9527

Ай бұрын

yes. an mmo needs source material to really make it big.

Why does everyone just refuse to remember Archeage boat creation, trade packs, flagging pvp on your own faction, open world pvp, pirate ship battles, trade ships etc.

@notYisan

Ай бұрын

because archeage died despite having those features. a game too advanced and ambitious for the time.

@tsrprebirth9139

Ай бұрын

@@notYisan That's not why it died... lol. It was P2W, but the features were amazing, way more exciting than WoW. Asmon never played a unique mmo, he's only played the mcdonald equivalent of mmo's

@chiffa37

Ай бұрын

​@@tsrprebirth9139 well said

@kokocaptainqc

Ай бұрын

personally? having to spend energy or whatever to open loot bags...thats why i said F this crap

@MaxD-lp9rw

Ай бұрын

It died because of poor publisher decisions and P2W. Everything else was amazing

If Ashes is the "last hope" then I'll start digging the grave for MMOs. XD AoC will not remotely live up to the hype.

@_Aynix

Ай бұрын

It will for 40 years old boomers who yearn for "good old MMO" they played 20 years ago

@TheDerpySquidOfTheUk

Ай бұрын

Unrealistic expectations is definitely a concern for me; I doubt a lot of folks will enjoy losing experience on death etc when push comes to shove.

@Dead_Goat

Ай бұрын

@@_Aynix nope. Its open world pvp. The game will die in a month, just like every other open world pvp game.

@Xxav88

Ай бұрын

@@Dead_Goatlol so dumb

@valerius9751

Ай бұрын

yeah it's way too overhyped like cyberpunk was. gonna be a huge letdown when it releases

I feel like asmon is missing the whole point of AoC he's seeing it as the next game that's going to save mmos and its trying to be the next world of warcraft classic but that's not what AoC is going for Steven at the very start of the project clearly stated what his goal was he was a former lineage 2 player and a archeage player he was frustrated with archeage because of how it was managed and wanted to make his own lineage 2 archeage experience That's the entire point of it sure he would love to have wow classic success but it's very clear from their demonstrations that they are not referencing classic wow when it comes to world and classes and combat quests and exploring etc it's all very clearly inspired by lineage 2 I'm a former lineage 2 player as well and whenever I see the combat of AoC while it still not the exact same its Very similar that's almost making me nostalgic and that's the entire purpose of AoC Like if asmongold is expecting it to have the fluidity of wow classic combat he's just gonna be massively disappointed because that's not what Steven is going for whether that's a good approach or not is based on your opinion of course but I feel like he needs to know this if he doesn't want to get disappointed by AoC

@JerDog1984

Ай бұрын

Plus Archeage naval gameplay was top tier, but I don't think asmon played it so he doesn't know anything other than Valheim to compare too

@NeDixTV

Ай бұрын

the problem of asmon, he only played WoW until like 2-3 years ago, and all his opinions are based on all other mmorpg he never touched are trash because he never played them because everyone was playing WoW, he doesnt have any idea how they felt to play etc, yes the overall package WoW maybe was better, but other game has things better than wow. For example, archeage had the best Tab target gameplay ever, no one who played archeage will deny this. Lineage 2 for me was the best openworld guild/clan experience, almost no instance until Interlude Blade and Soul is other example of one of the best action gameplay mmorpg, again he never played it. I am sure Steven went from L2 to AA and though man this feel like lineage 3, but the faction shit ruined the servers and for me AA die because of the faction system not only the P2W, FACTION SYSTEM IS A MISTAKE ON MMORPG, just stick to clans like lineage 2, if all the server hold hands is their problem but not force players to play the game the way u want it never works. All the gameplay i have seen of AoC is literally archeage gameplay + L2 system. The biggest enemy of AoC will be the players itself, it will have the hardcore players of AA and L2 and maybe BDO too, the ones the moto is win no matter what. And if the game has dailies, honestly fck dailies. Btw also, if having multiple account will give advantage on AoC, expect hardcore to have multiple accounts even if its sub based.

@sleakseal2133

Ай бұрын

@@NeDixTV exactly! Which is why I'm 100% sure asmon will not like ashes of creation nor will 90% of his community its gonna be a niche game for a niche audience but they're expecting it to be modern day classic wow which was like asmon said in the video compared to other games was called a "baby mmo" Now I'm sure if asmon sees this comment he will say well this design philosophy is garbage and the game will fail well yes it will fail if you think it wants to get the general audience attention It will succeed however in the goal its trying to achieve which is attracting the other Steven's out in the world looking for lineage 3 or archeage 2 experience that they thought will never happen THOSE people are gonna fucking LOVE this game Lineage 2 to this day has a lot of private servers which high player base across the world because there's just not that many games like it even if the graphics are trash even if the combat is not fluid even if you can't even jump or have mounts in the game it's still FUN to play and people still loved it

@NeDixTV

Ай бұрын

@@sleakseal2133 L2 with privates server has more playerbase than new world and maybe Lost ark global. I realized of this weekend.

@sleakseal2133

Ай бұрын

@@NeDixTV yeah it's absolutely insane Also the classes like some would look at it and say wow this looks bad but it really feels different when you PLAY it not watch For example playing a stormscreamer in high five was the most fun I've ever had in my life when I started wow I immediately made a mage because I thought it would be similar to that experience but damn the mage class in wow at least in the classic trilogy has to be the most boring casting class ever like holy shit the disappointment that I felt that time almost made me quit wow thankfully I just re rolled to warrior and it was a bit better experience than mage but yeah you can never convince me that wow combat is superior to lineage 2 especially high five when the gameplay in L2 just felt way more fast paced than any classic trilogy wow combat

The only moment MMORPG's will get an insane surge like we saw in the early 2000's is when VR technology becomes so advanced that we'll get experiences like Sword Art Online. If that ever happens in our lifetime.. oh boy, you can bet on MMORPG's becoming the most popular genre by far.

@jesperjohansson6959

Ай бұрын

If we're speculating about technology, no, I don't think so. At that point it'll be impossible to tell who's not using AI to play for them, which will ruin MMOs since you'll never know whether you're having an authentic social interaction.

@lagtastic7511

Ай бұрын

@@jesperjohansson6959White lists exist, and you will have counter AI's being used to detect AI usage. And its not even that hard when you get to that level of technology we are talking about. A humans reactions will vary, there will be detectable differences outside of ping for response times. Along with vital information being monitored, brain waves, heart rate, blood pressure etc. Would someone be able to hack it and fake it, I'm sure someone would. But you would be using a huge amount of resources to fake all that to play the game for you. Which again goes back to the whole white list thing. Where you would be playing with people that you trust to not do all the faking. And then even if someone is faking it, i would have to be faked to the human reaction level. Where that is not the case with current aim bots and the like. So even the hackers would HAVE to play at the average human level or risk being busted.

@MeltonCrest

Ай бұрын

@@jesperjohansson6959 If you can't tell that it's an AI then it is as authentic as it gets.

@ChezMclegend

Ай бұрын

Go outside, you can start today. Grow a garden :)

@SirZipper

Ай бұрын

I was 14 when I first watched SAO and remember how demoralized I was after doing the research and realizing the technology isn't something we'll ever see in our lifetime.

I don't understand why a game "has to have" the same playernumbers as WoW did to be the next best MMO. If Ashes of Creation is a better MMO than what we have right now, we can enjoy a new and fun game together.

@thekurtrussell4007

Ай бұрын

Its just so you get that MMO feel

@gerryw173ify

Ай бұрын

@@thekurtrussell4007 You don't need WoW numbers to have enough players to get the MMO feel.

@Fantasyze

Ай бұрын

I was going to explain it to you but I didn't want to type an essay. But you could have the best MMO of all time, perfect systems, story by Tolkein himself, crisp gameplay and graphics etc. but if it has No players, the game is boring. MMOs depend on their playerbase for the "end game content". If the player base is non existent or quits when they reach end game, the mmo dies. It is what it is. WoW found the sweet spot to keep players invested, keep them playing the game even when they reach max level, motivate new players to grind and reach end game, etc etc. If a modern MMO hits the sweet spot like WoW did, and maybe that goalpost has moved and is a lot harder to reach now, then it will automatically have more players than WoW. WoW players are also ready to quit and play something better. But something better does not exist for them.

@jesperjohansson6959

Ай бұрын

@@thekurtrussell4007 All I need is one populated server to get that feel

@stickyrubb

Ай бұрын

@@Fantasyze Just like Gerry said, you don't need WoW numbers to get the MMO feel. A server in Ashes of Creation has a maximum capacity of 50K players. You can fill 60 servers if all of their 3 million registered players join the game. Around 150 to 200K people paid handsomely to participate in their Alpha 2, the interest is there my guy.

On the low visibility thing, I think the best example of a good ass low vis map has got to be Helldivers 2. When you can't see shit and get constantly attacked by chargers until you find high ground to spot the smoke shrooms, it's like you're really down there getting mauled to death by an alien species.

@HoracioRVL

Ай бұрын

The feeling of reaching high ground after surviving hell down there in the fog it's amazing

@jeanschyso

Ай бұрын

@@HoracioRVL and then you call in an expandable, shoot the shroom from half the map away and clear the way to the objective. It is SO good.

@ithelan

Ай бұрын

Low vis vs bots, literally walking right up to them because they're entirely reliant on sight, is both amazing and terrifying. When you scout them first and go full stealth ambush, or you're legging it away from one group and run head first into another because you couldn't see them

I saw Wildstar... *sniff* I miss Wildstar :

@Giliver

Ай бұрын

I genuinely don't understand why they haven't brought WildStar back, it only needed some tweaking and additional content and it would've been a major hit. Hell even with its problems it was my personal favorite MMO.

@MrOskiee

Ай бұрын

Besides archeage, wildstar is my biggest mmo let down. Such incredible potential that just fell flat 😢

@liebkraft9950

Ай бұрын

@@Giliver they brought it back as a free2play game and it failed unfortunately. i think they need to completely rebuild the mmo structure for the game to work nowadays.

@Navhkrin

Ай бұрын

@@Giliver WildStar had good chance to be one of popular MMO's. Definitely not big-hit potential but it didn't need to die. It could have taken its place among ESO, BDO etc.

@Nownadda

Ай бұрын

Bro Wildstar was so damn fun. The aesthetic and gameplay were so good. If SWOTR, elder scrolls online, and guild wars are still alive then it should be to. I’d love for someone to buy it and continue to build onto it more. The issue was the development and company was toxic as fuck.

The caravan system sounds really cool, but the rewards for stealing someone else’s cargo being “sell me” tokens is immersion breaking and not exciting. It should be 100% materials, weapons, whatever, and the caravan should be a necessary part of the crafting ecosystem. Imagine destroying a caravan full of cargo a guild really needed to ship to xyz city to finish the final step in a crafting chain and convincing them to buy it back at double price. Those are the kind of moments you remember in games.

@bt70a9

Ай бұрын

It's a proof of concept

@BOO-ii3ni

21 сағат бұрын

​@@bt70a9I remember saying the UI was shit years ago and people comming that "It' just a placeover". It's still shit.

About the looting, I think best compromise would be that you need to manually loot items (every corpse) but the amount of mobs you kill at once should be just around 1-3 (no stupid crazy aoe farming retail WoW has). But same time also have a "identifying" skill that collects all money and resources that are not materials for crafting and shows what each enemy has as a loot items above their corpses for a moment so if you can spot that interesting 2h sword that has purple quality, you ofc wanna go check that body while ignoring the junk items/corpses without loot. And that identifying skill should be something you mostly use to just quickly get the money/non crafting resources and check if the body has anything valuable without needing to be animation locked over the corpse. And that way it would also keep some fantasy elements alive compared to that you just run next to corpse and aoe loot everything instantly without any animations. Also to make the junk loot more interesting, all of it should be mostly worthless but have interesting small "stories" like finding some random poe, ring with engraving, shoe with patched hole and the patch is made of valuable looking shining leather of rare animal. And all those items have "random" NPC in the world who would like to buy the item with for different reasons but the item+NPC combination is random and there is no way of knowing who would like to buy the item. But there could be achievement to sell each junk item to the correct customer to unlock some random cool title or vanity items. Basically "Insane" achi to do but those who want to do it can work towards it. That way the junk items are useless and useful same time. So people can just ignore looting everything or loot everything for the flavor texts and random funny lore or work towards achievements/challenged etc. Big problem with nowadays games is that they tend to be too ADHD button smashers and have zero sense. MMORPG is at it's best when the world have tons of weird, quirky and pointless items, locations, objects, quests and so on. Combat should be slow and require thinking. Player should feel fear of losing against enemies. Reason why soulslike games are so liked is because every enemy is a challenge. You can have crazy good gear and random forest mushroom kicks you off cliff because you were too cocky to fight it near one. Vanilla/classic WoW kinda has this and that's why the combat just feels so good even tho it is very slow. Every aoe farming mage knows that it is adrenaline rush when suddenly mob resists your frost nova. You actually have to think how to handle the situation... meanwhile in retail you are god against everything else except when devs have decided that you cannot kill something alone because it has a golden dragon in it's profile picture.

For me a big reason a new mmorpg will be hard to establish is the world it will play in. Without the Warcraft universe and especially WC3 WoW wouldn't be what it is now. MMORPGs without an establish world have it very hard to establish a hype early on and often end in obscurity before the get their footing. A pre established universe can help a lot, but of course the game has to be great to get your money.

@ghostshadow9899

Ай бұрын

What a bs, most mmo players don’t care much about the story. Its game play, social interaction, raids and end game content

@ghostshadow9899

Ай бұрын

And it shouldn’t be p2w

@hupenpeter

Ай бұрын

@@ghostshadow9899 different people, different approaches. For me and my friends gameplay is extremely important, but a RPG without a cool world and a good story with memorable characters will hold our attention. If all this is not important to you, that's fine. We all tend to play story heavy games. So my approach doesn't fit everybody off course, but for the people I pay with, the need for a great world is big. I think there is a distinct difference between MMO and MMORPG, but maybe it's only me.

Ragnarok online is still my favorite MMO, because of the feeling of exploration and discovery you had in that game was unparalleled. I've never been more immersed in the community than with Ragnarok when it was still good.

@plasmask8

Ай бұрын

I still can hear poring sounds n chon chon diyng sound...

@fuselit2860

Ай бұрын

the willows, the sounds of the dagger hitting willows and peco peco still rings in me ears to this day...

@LarkanElRegresado

Ай бұрын

Also, unless specific solo builds, it was basically impossible to level efficiently without a party, mobs hit hard, you could NOT facetank a mob as a mage class. That brought people together as well. And clan pvp (woe) was the game's endgoal, which was very fun because it was organized pvp, which is something very difficult to run out of.

@Magemaster55

Ай бұрын

Was RO your first MMO?

@nakano15

Ай бұрын

"when it was still good" This part... It's interesting to see people talk about Ragnarok Online being good in the past tense whenever it's mentioned, even though the game is still up, running and being updated. I don't disagree btw.

The fact that in SLF the entire game was pretty much “beat” but it actually hadn’t even started until the first unique monster was beaten. That shit was so cool. Problem is that shit will never happen in a game in this current world of games. People would fucking cry that they wouldn’t be able to kill every unique themselves. But man would it be cool.

@YonahWise

29 күн бұрын

Facts.

The problem with this type of targeting is that people can constantly jump and disrupt many ranged attacks so aoe and abilities that comes from above becomes massively more powerful than other abilities and makes mouse aiming abilities to obsolete sadly

So sad asmon keeps shitting on gw and gw2 and refuses to try it when every other big mmo KZreadr tried it and loved it for what it is

@eds7343

Ай бұрын

I preferred GW2 over WoW.

@iamdickel8574

Ай бұрын

i played GW and GW2 on their release, i admit they are good and open world and exploration is better than any MMO out there, its not a grind fest game until you reach the max level

@Iniak.

Ай бұрын

GW2 is a gem and any MMORPG fan who hasn't given it a chance is missing out.

@retiredbritphilippines4722

Ай бұрын

Classic line “But you can’t jump in GW” lol

@yivo9996

Ай бұрын

@@iamdickel8574 GW is one of my favorite games of all time, but it didnt have an open world. Everything was instanced.

I love that asmons only criticism of guild wars is “you couldn’t jump” every time anybody brings it up about anything. And by love I mean it’s incredibly stupid.

@huntrokilla

Ай бұрын

OG wow bros refuse to play it or the second one. But when they do, examples JSH, lazypeon, and preach, they love it. Peon’s recent review was so rushed and poor but generally most big KZread mmo people enjoy/ed it

@daMillenialTrucker

Ай бұрын

i just started playing gw2 a month ago, never played an mmo before and so far i got about 250 hours in, even at 250 hours im still trying to figure out how i feel about it. one minute im having fun and the next idk what to do, strange. maybe im just depressed idk

@capnfapn

Ай бұрын

@@daMillenialTrucker gw2 is cool but its really nothing like gw1.

@bs5am

Ай бұрын

It’s a shit game, live with it.

@capnfapn

Ай бұрын

@@bs5am why is it shit lol

32:00 I think you should be able to set an object to auto loot but others to manual loot. For example put a frequent item like wood to auto loot. Also similar to Project Zomboid you should be able to set the AOE looting to be enabled or disabled.

Please have an auction house like wow. I don’t want guild stores like eso or new world… just makes trading the worst

@bt70a9

Ай бұрын

New world has an auction house like vanilla WoW - you post it, it gets sold, you pay a small fee to the auction house. Horde can not trade with Alliance and vice versa. only in BB

@madkitty2801

12 күн бұрын

Problem with NW before the xpac was actually gearing up a good 3 perk set.. and u needed like 40 set to be versatile and efficient in pve and pvp… Gearing up and crafting desing were actual garbage and cost the game a eff tons of players.

guild wars 1 was an incredible game despite not being able to jump. the game was super deep and made a ton of ballsy design decisions that other online rpgs should've learned more from.

@HaydenMercado-nb6it

Ай бұрын

I spent most of highschool on this gem loved it

@iller3

Ай бұрын

I guarantee IF asmon even "played it", he essentially stepped into the arena one time, DIDN'T READ any of his skills, and then rage quit after getting his shid push in up past his neck

@burnhart

Ай бұрын

i loved the skill system, never seen anything like it in an mmo since. ever since ive hated when in mmo's i see my opponent and alrdy know what skills he has and what combination he will use them in, thats so boring. in guildwars i always made my own builds and it felt so good to best others with it

@rickroll9705

Ай бұрын

Bro, its a game where you can't jump. Nobody cares about it lol

@KrixenTV

Ай бұрын

Guild wars 1 was an absolutely amazing game! They lost all that magic in Guild wars 2. How skills were obtained was so fun.

I played Final Fantasy XI waaaaay more than wow back at launch years. Still friends with a bunch of people I played with back then today. FFXI was just a way more friendly community driven game.

@jubjuba1982

Ай бұрын

Ffxi was the best mmo. Period.

What I'm curious about... Is AoC combat an action based like New World? Where I click to attack... Or like most others where my character attacks and I watch?

That raid reminded me of Silkroad the game. You could trade items between cities and there could be other players as thieves that could steal your loot.

@AbstractMediums

4 күн бұрын

Silkroad was a fun mmo until it got too P2W

I still play UO. We just want fully fleshed out mechanics. Weve had 30 years, sort ot the fuck out guys.

@fatvinet

Ай бұрын

Outlands is so good

TheLazyPeon's Voice sounds like I am an infant in his arms and hes my daddy talking down to me telling me how beautiful the world is, with the music too I Can't bro. THANKS DAD!

@yous2244

Ай бұрын

Lol

29:10 A classic example would be Darkness used by Cecil in FF4, a dark night that cannot use magic (not that I recall, in the beginning of the game), but could use stronger attacks capable of attacking all enemies with health... could be used with Mana instead of Health.

21:27 yeah, its too much. You see these small mini game like things can be a too great of a boost for large guilds as they have much more players in them and multiple of such small interaction together could give them too big of an advantage. And not to mention that the caravan progression will have things where you can spend points to improve different aspect of it which would include things that can improve the construction, destruction, travel speed etc

The biggest update to me is that NOW ashes of creation looks like it has good art direction. Before this year, the art goes in so many directions and it looked so amateur-ish. Glad it's better now.

@motan7864

Ай бұрын

what are you talking about, all i see is generic fantasy cringe

@junechevalier

Ай бұрын

@@motan7864 Yes, but I don’t think you’ve seen what it looked like before lol

@junechevalier

Ай бұрын

@WonderMonkey-xp3xk I don’t mean the graphics. The art direction. And the development would’ve been much faster had it been defined since the beginning

@junechevalier

Ай бұрын

@WonderMonkey-xp3xk I’m a 3D modeler and I’ve worked on several titles. This “superficial” stuff that you talked about is the thing we always say within the industry as something you have to do and you have to do right, which the players won’t notice

@coadamolx0100

Ай бұрын

I always noticed here n there that they had some definitive style in some videos while others looked more ..well Unreal engine however I noticed that since last year the kind of style became more appearnt. What would you call the style they going for tho I dunno what to call it?

I think the biggest barrier to MMO advancing is not graphics of cpu power, it's actually networking and network code. What people want is the single player experience but massive. You are getting into problems on the server side dealing with all the connections and trying to process that in sync with every player and having something that does not look and play like crap. It's always been a problem and nobody has solved it, perhaps it will never be solved. Latency really does kill the immersion. Perhaps when everyone gets fibre to the home and people start using those new techniques to get orders of magnitudes more throughput down the same cables things might start to improve. As for quantum computing, that's not really a thing for home use. It also requires a totally different way of programming, you can't really run normal computer code on a quantum computer, it's meant for highly optimised specific calculations. Now there is some fun work being done with optical analogue computers, but that's more aimed at the AI side of things, you can do a massive amount of parallel computation using optics and lasers, that's the one to look out for.

@bt70a9

Ай бұрын

Yeah, you just repeated Zacks opinion, and spun it off as your own..

If anything when quantum computing becomes affordable for Game companies they can be used in Server Rooms to handle a ton of the backend so you can have more people on one server and handle tons of the backend

Another thing that's not mentioned is that wow had a following with warcraft 1 to 3 and the lore that came with it originally

Why is he with a new shirt every day

@cleareye_

Ай бұрын

Does this shirt have built in dandruff, or is his scalp that dead?

@imelatedrn

Ай бұрын

​@@cleareye_youve never seen a shirt with spots on it?

@Mrshucas

Ай бұрын

He finally got through puberty

@gillsejusbates6938

Ай бұрын

yall are responding to a bot

@SAI-LuNaaX

Ай бұрын

bot

If the guy making an MMO is a former leader of one of Lineage 2 clans then I don't have to have hope, just need to wait.

@Dead_Goat

Ай бұрын

its open world pvp game... it will die in less than a month just like every other forced pvp game. forced open world pvp kills mmos.

@Ceisri

Ай бұрын

@@Dead_Goat plus it's tab target in 2024... they were making action combat games without tab target back in 2007 ......

@Xxav88

Ай бұрын

@@Dead_Goat still wrong

@coxworth50

Ай бұрын

@@Ceisri tab target is better for an mmo. End of story

@-Bleriot-

Ай бұрын

@@Dead_Goat just watch albion XD the city lobby cant even load all the players.

You should be able to split the raid up and have them set up the caravan conversions ahead of time. It would make the party actually defending smaller but could significantly increase the speed at which you get back

I belong to the explorer type. I want to see something far away like a tower, a mountain or whatever and I can decide to go there because it is looking interesting. The way to my current favorite place have to take at least 30 minutes, because the route is the goal. And I want to see many different landscapes.

Classic was good because it was the first game that got its claws in you. Nostalgia is one hell of a drug and you gotta let it go man.

@legacy9171

Ай бұрын

I played UO and EQ, WoW blew them out of the water and still does

@akhsdenlew1861

Ай бұрын

Classic was good, becouse it was good. By that logic, why don't we have generations attached to later-released MMORPGS ? Game was extremely good for it's time. Games that are released right now are extremely bad for their time.

@iller3

Ай бұрын

It was only the first to get claws in for total NEWBS. The rest of us who had already experienced UO, camelot, lineage, EQ, etc... already were becoming nostalgia-proofed

@tommasomedici6650

Ай бұрын

I have no nostalgia for the game because i started wow classic last year. I never played wow before and i think is one of the greatest game ever made

@Raviis

Ай бұрын

I mean... numbers support his claims.

VR headsets never caught on. Graphics don’t really need to be better for a great MMO. The next MMO will be open world AI driven where mobs don’t have set paths and zones. Quests will be unique and complex. Conversations with NPCs will be organic and follow a semi-custom story which aligned to your recent actions and dialog.

animations looks good, but the impact on the target dont make you feel like your holding a 2h weapon, i could hit a npc iwith dual dagger ans feel like i'm hiting stronger than with this 2h. hope they will improve the stagger effect .

You're totally right about the low visibility areas, imagine if there was a gap in the mountains where for a couple minutes you couldn't see the shore, and during that time your raft is vulnerable to being ambushed.

Remember how crowfall was so hyped up and then it speedran a mmo death on release? Its almost like going from lvl 1 to max in an hour wasnt a good idea.

@motan7864

Ай бұрын

Yeah I wonder why though, it looked promising. Art direction / graphics maybe ?

@DBuilds

Ай бұрын

@@motan7864 it was just as awful game. The game play was awful. The leveling was pointless. You could do 2 quest and get to max level. And you were either part of a Zerg guild that controlled castles or you had nothing to do.

@motan7864

Ай бұрын

@@DBuilds that's sad :(

@akhsdenlew1861

Ай бұрын

Crowfall and bless online are some of the fastest MMORPG deaths...

@Shinyolo

Ай бұрын

Didn't even know it released.

People trying to get the same experience and enjoyment they had 20 years ago is impossible because for most of them (like me) it was our first discovery of MMORPG and we can never find this again the same way we had, also the discovery was 100% with own experience and not partially through youtube content and that made every experience unique.

@biadhoce

Ай бұрын

I disagree, people enjoy the 'new experience' alongside thousands of players. WoW was a new experience, now there's a term for it, 'themepark mmo'. Ashes is inspired by Lineage II and Archage, many haven't touched those games. I've played almost every mmo in the past twenty years, but I've never touched Lineage or Archage mmos. I don't know what that experience feels like, and I love pvp in every mmo. It's a new experience for me, in a new system.

@Mishoko0

29 күн бұрын

@@biadhoce I understand what you mean but even if you discover new mechanics it is very hard to replace nostalgia feelings with new games even if i have not felt so much hype for another game in the past and Steven & team are doing amazing job. I really wish i could enjoy this game and create my new future nostalgia feelings

@biadhoce

29 күн бұрын

@@Mishoko0 Speak for yourself and not the rest of us. It's not hard to ignore nostalgia and explore new experiences. I'm trying BDO now and enjoying it, never played it before. I'm having fun with the nodes and it's many systems.

@Mishoko0

29 күн бұрын

@@biadhoce yes i might talk for myself then i personnally didn't enjoy a new MMO as much as i did before and i feel this can change with AoC

I think swimming with the raft or boat should be ok, but you would realistically struggle to keep up, AND you would need to take off any heavy armor for deep water, to increase the realism and raise the stakes. So you can swim to shore and follow, but there are risks and trade-offs for doing it.

I don't like playing wow anymore but in TBC I could lay a trap down at the apex of a jump to hide the trap laying animation. I could be running away and jump up, spin 180, fire off an ability and autoshot, then spin back 180 and land and keep running. It played so well and there were a lot of little things you could learn. No other MMO has felt nearly as good.

EQ was the best MMO, it was new, it was horrible, it was on dial up. you could die on another continent and wake up on your continent naked begging druids to port you. You could farm hill giants for gold that would weigh you down without a shaman to make wr bags, and then spend the gold on gear that was still horrible. No one even knows of the horror of trains in Unrest. Sweet summer children. You think you see the horizon clearly without even looking down to see the giant shoulders that you stand upon. Wow was like a breath of fresh air after suffering the sheer magic that was EQ. Fear not old friends, there are emulators, wayfarers haven....relive just how fucking brutal the first beats of the MMO heart were.

@jesperjohansson6959

Ай бұрын

I feel like that's the kind of horrible shit that actually creates bonds between players and fosters a strong community though, since everyone has to rely on each other to survive and get anywhere. MMOs started dying when they made it so you could play 99% of the game without ever talking to anyone.

@thedesk954

Ай бұрын

"Everquest next" got canceled is a big mistake

@jasonisfamous6544

Ай бұрын

Red 99 eq server was fun to play till someone i trusted stole my gear

@jasonisfamous6544

Ай бұрын

Too bad eq2 was terrible

I'm insanely excited for Ashes, been a supporter for years, particapted in alpha 1, can't wait for alpha 2. I have no illusions about it's ceiling though. Unfortunately, the way guild power snowballs in a game like this, and the way it feels for players to "lose" in a game like this, I don't anticipate it being hugely successful. Luckily, I've come to terms with this and still plan to enjoy the game for many years. The game's legacy depends almost entirely on how well the node system is executed and how fun it is as a mechanic. That's why they've been keeping that information so close to the chest. There is hardly any story here to endear players to it the way WoW and FFXIV did.

@sansundertale8765

Ай бұрын

I want to like this game but my limited experience with Albion is that individual player power in AoC will be so irrelevant that the entire game will end up revolving around the two top guilds + probably rampant cheating. And that's a damn shame in a game where individuals look like they have so many options in terms of gameplay specialization. Not having strong, entertaining content for solo and small group players (or even small guilds) just kills a huge portion of your potential audience.

@coadamolx0100

Ай бұрын

Nah , ashes will most likely be more of countries vs countries (big nodes) not a 1-2 guilds dominating everything

Lmao! The way he just rolls the video through the "Starforge" sponsored ad in this video reaction.... Priceless. Getting even MORE sponsored ad value out of that deal!

@rePAULsion

Ай бұрын

Are you new? He lets every sponsored ad play in a video he's watching

For the fighter, it would be cool if the momentum was the in combat resource, and mana is the out of combat resource. So you could use charge/heroic leap out of combat and it uses mana instead. Since you won’t be in combat and wouldn’t be gaining momentum

My physician says that the notification coming 2 minutes late is bad for my health

@skinjudge9007

Ай бұрын

I am physician

Can tell Wow was his first mmo, he's got that tunnel vision nostalgia going on. Everquest, Daoc, Asherons Call, all ran fairly well for the most part. Wow came in with a roar riding the WC fan base with a smooth user friendly interface and gameplay with good graphics for the time period. This drew the non hardcore gamers in which is why it took off after.

@MainerdLoyd

29 күн бұрын

Totally agree. I played EQ and DAoC. DAoC is the game I have the fondest memories of. Our clan all tried WoW when it released but we all preferred the RvR with purpose in DAoC over the trollish PvP in WoW.

@bjni

28 күн бұрын

@@MainerdLoyd Yeah he never played any MMO that isnt a WoW clone, so its going to be a new experience for him. I used to play Darkfall as well, I remember tense moments from that game a lot more than any tense moments in WoW lol.

@elnaimed8395

23 күн бұрын

I totally agree, but non of this MMORPG games could exist without Ultima Online (1997), when Ultima Online: The Second Age came out back in 1998, it changed all the MMO rules (games like Meridian 59, The Realm Online, were old by then). WoW came later... years later, with all the happy carebears (a.k.a. pve players).

20:40 I think this is a great idea. I like the idea of having people who can specialize in something but sacrifice other things. What I mean by that is have a profession like carpentry or something like that, but if a player takes that, then they can not take other more "combat useful" professions (or money making professions). However, every caravan will want a carpenter with them. It will strengthen the social aspects of the MMO.

20:42 - 21:43 The best thing a game can do is ask you to play it. The more ways you give the player to interact and the less time they're standing around waiting on the game's automated systems, the better. And it has to be an optional thing, because forcing everyone to do a minigame they may not enjoy might be less immersive or fun for them than standing guard and spotting an opposing party closing in or talking to their buddy who invited them to the group. All of these things together create an experience where the player is choosing to participate in different ways, and that's what generates the level of immersion we hope for. The more ways we're invited to play, interact, and choose... the better. 31:14 - Solution? Maybe? - Two different loot abilities. One that just picks up any obvious things laying around within an area, but you could miss some rare items/materials if they're hidden or would be difficult to harvest. One that is an active loot that takes some time, but will find every piece of loot from a specific area or defeated foe. You reward players for spending the time to loot, but don't punish them for the times where they're just after common drops by making them do it dozens of times. Maybe even add in a way to select what you're attempting to harvest for instead of pure RNG if there's a mob that has multiple drop pools so over time you can develop your ability to collect a specific drop type?

Guild Wars 1 was FIRE!

I don't think there's much of a demand for MMOs anymore. The genre is just not as alluring as in the past. Too many other great games to play and people have less free time.

@TTDEATHTT

Ай бұрын

I think the demografic has changed. Its us Older folks with less time that want to have a good mmorpg. But the younger generation who can spend 40-70 hours a week on games play battle royals and moba's. wich are cheaper to make have a lot of cash shop skins wich are eazy to make and return a bigger profit, then a Full size MMORPG. while before all my class mates during my 14-18 where playing mmorpgs. WoW, GW1, LineAge2,PerfectWorld,Others.

@leisiyox

Ай бұрын

​@@TTDEATHTT and remember that you don't have to build ur character every time you play... In moba and battle royale one just plays and that's it, no attachments added! Modern folks lack commitment and that's understandable

@ghostshadow9899

Ай бұрын

MMOs are stile popular, the problem is the he grind fest most mmo have bios in it. I tried Albion online again, and oh boy…the game is so boring. The only content they hav without a guilde is pve farm.

@sunnychiu3872

Ай бұрын

@@TTDEATHTT IMO that doesn't make sense. Younger folk have very short attention span. So they play games that are fun the minute they start the game. BRs, action rpgs, mobas. These games are fun the minute you get in the game. MMOs generally have a long grind of at least 20 hrs+ before you get to max level and start to actually have fun. And of those levels before you reach max level it's basically a single player game. Defeats the whole point of MMOs. Older people can play one game for hours on end. And people who play MMOs generally only play that one game. At least in my opinion. Don't even start on microtransactions. MMOs are generally the worst with mtx. They artificially create a ton of inconveniences and boring grind to make you buy stuff. They also make free skins ugly AF. So you are even more inclined to spend money on skins.

@Mille.N.A

Ай бұрын

@@TTDEATHTT Simply not true. Pretty much all my gamer friends are looking and have been looking for years for the next big MMO with around the same success that WoW had. Personally I have considered playing WoW many times because it doesn't seem like any other MMO's will be able to measure up to it any time soon. However I also feel like I am too young for WoW as pretty much its whole player base is pushing 30 or more and honestly thought a new and better MMO would have come out by now. I WISH I could have been part of WoW back in its prime, and many of my friends feel the same. I'll continue looking forward to the next gen big MMO and hoping it will come out soon 😔

It could be an interesting mechanic if you are CC'd into or while in the water your character drowns unless saved by an ally

I was there 3000 years ago. Playing Biosfear, Ultima Online, Lineage and Fly For Fun. WoW just handled like getting a brand new well oiled bike after riding a rusty single gear.

I feel like the only monetization that works, is full box price + subscription then an optional convenience/appearance shop like guild wars.

Why is he with a new shirt every day?

@dashippo5896

Ай бұрын

Homeboy is right... What is happening to /ourguy/?

@simondarif1386

Ай бұрын

He fell off

@andra9694

Ай бұрын

Cheaper to buy than to wash 😂

@barahng

Ай бұрын

@@andra9694Well more time efficient anyways

@Gaming_Antics

Ай бұрын

Because he’s not poor and lazy.

An interesting thought i had was - maybe looting could be put on a single person, as in, 1 person can drag stuff to an inventory spread across your party.

For me the perfect MMO was something like playing the mod Seamless Coop of Elden Ring, we were 3 people raiding Stormveil Castle, one was caster, i was dex and a partner was a "Tank", my brain insta thought this would be a great direction for MMOs to be good. It was just too good for us I guess.

Correction, WoW was not bigger than Minecraft. I know Asmon likes to talk about how amazing WoW was but his opinion is flawed by him playing only WoW in those days.

@SirJasonLee

Ай бұрын

I have never played WoW but its impact on gaming is much bigger than Minecraft for sure.

@BlackGold-fc7tu

Ай бұрын

​@SirJasonLee nah. Every survival craft game is b/c of mine craft

@pandax5359

Ай бұрын

​@@BlackGold-fc7tu I mean survival crafting games existed long before minecraft. But I suppose saying that it led to an increase in survival crafters because of it's popularity, is pretty accurate.

@pandax5359

Ай бұрын

I have no idea about the statistics on this but I think it's probably true yea depending on how you define bigger. WoW was most hyped pre-MC. I think it definitely dwindled in the past decade. While MC is still relevant to the present day. This is just popularity. I have no idea how to even quantify the influence both games have had.

@shblade5984

Ай бұрын

@@SirJasonLee Asmon used Google Trends as his argument, Minecraft was twice as big as WoW when they both came out.

With games today, I fear for the gamers of 20 years in the future

@ZipperLQW

Ай бұрын

the developers of games in the future are the zoomers of today yeah. Don’t even wanna think about how it’ll be

@kokocaptainqc

Ай бұрын

one thing is for sure, every game will look like a bad acid trip and wont make any sense

@fightingblind

Ай бұрын

@@kokocaptainqc oh God "Everything Everywhere all at once" in a game 😱

The caravan does give off Overwatch Payload energy tbh. One thing I'd be interested in is if the players could drive the Caravan Red-Dead style, I think that would be super cool. Like Asmon said about building to speed it up, imagine driving it for the versatility of different routes/battle terrains etc. Something that keeps the players immersed and all-in-all invested while a fail-safe could be something like an automatic AI progression at a slower speed.

One thing that’s always missed from the comparisons to classic WoW is that so many games have come out to fill whatever niches the player base of WoW was active for. MOBAs, survival games, sandbox games, Minecraft, action(system) rpgs, and even VR spaces. So nothing can come close to WoW’s popularity in its prime, but in terms of being actual great game; it can.

I feel like this game is just over hyped and it will disappoint us hard.

@MrRafagigapr

Ай бұрын

exactly , your game will only have outstanding performance if you have outstanding features , these MMOs copying the mmos that failed are basically the definition of madness , doing the same thing and expecting diferent results

@T3FAT

Ай бұрын

The guy played ArcheAge which was a really good mmorpg until P2W and poor anti cheat system was implemented So I already know this game will work if they fix this

@mcleanfoxhound

Ай бұрын

Armored core and Eldren ring only spoke with results. This game talks too much.

@bc5208

Ай бұрын

Literally every single MMO ever lol that’s why WoW & OSRS still dominate

@minorishimizu4241

Ай бұрын

this game is just another MMORPG in the market, nothing new, it prolly will die after a few months just like New World or worse

The best sales number I can find for WoW for any expansion is 14 million. Minecraft is at 300 million. Wii Sports sold 6x more than WoW. But sure, I guess since Blizzard can keep milking 14 million players over and over for the same content, that makes it the most popular game ever.

@stillnotchill2560

Ай бұрын

Why would you only count one wow expansion vs the entire lifetime of Minecraft. That's a bad comparison. Wow has a base box price that's higher than Minecraft, came out before anyone really used search engines, then sells millions of copies of expansion after expansion, then sells the monthly sub for decades. Also you have to factor that Minecraft is on mobile, much lower price and released in the peak internet era. Minecraft is huge so you dont need to oversimplify the equation to make it look better.

@roflrofl1234rofl

Ай бұрын

14 million is not total sales, 14 million was the peak amount of subscribers that wow had at one time, which was during wrath of the lich king. That means they had over 14 million people paying $15 a month at one time which is a lot crazier than selling more copies of a $15 game that you only buy once.

@ImKaboose

Ай бұрын

@@stillnotchill2560 Because it’s more accurate to player counts. It’s why Asmon likes to use google trends, it’s 14 million players each googling every item and skill in WoW because they’re brain dead making it seem like it’s way more popular than it actually is. I’m making the assumption that most Minecraft players just play one version on one platform obviously, I should probably be more generous and say everyone owns two copies of Minecraft so it’s 14 million to 150 million

@bullettime1116

Ай бұрын

​@roflrofl1234rofl your game being top 3 of sales of all time is more impressive than being the biggest fish of a small pond

@rain4242

Ай бұрын

@@stillnotchill2560 This is the biggest cope i have read. WoW is like old movies that were considered great for their time but now people don't watch unless they are fanatics of the genre, like "the shining". If that movie came out in todays era it would flop. WoW was the only game at the time that had major content, unexplored areas, no other games to compete with it. Minecraft came out during the era where you could look up guides for everything and had plenty of competition. Minecraft still manages to hold HUGE player audience and even went into retailers beyond the gaming section, unlike wow. If you were to release a FRESH unknown exact same copy of wow that no one knew, it would have a guide on everything in the game within 1 week and it would flop over like amongus, i would go as far to say it would be just like lost ark where people play it for 1 month then just give up. The game is carried by no hands nostalgic people because they have spent too much time on the game to accept reality that they should move on but don't want to hoping it goes back to the boom era it had, when it will NEVER go back because now competition exists and you see the real shell of the game. So one game gets millions upon millions viewers monthly and the other gets 1-2 million views depending on if they announce new expansion. Stop coping and take the L.

18:10 What would be good is making the raft sail faster than players can. Even better, have rivers have strong currents which have to be overcome with rowing. Make water without boat a tedeious thing to deal with. Got it? Now imagine this, you sail on a raft leaving enemies behind, and suddenly u see one of them get on a fucking flying dragon and unleashing airborn fire breath attack on the whole raft. Man it would be epic

The comparison to guild wars and wow threw me for a loop. But tbh silkroad was so amazing, no jumping but the trading job triangle was perfect.

I think MMO's are overlooking the biggest issue. Your game is not catering to casuals. This is why ff14 was so successful. Easy to understand. Good story. Gameplay is not hard. There is something for everyone. Mechanics are not ridiculously hard to figure out and have visual ques. You can make your character beautiful and do things inside the game besides questing/pvp/raids/dungeons etc. It needs to be basic. No ridiculous hard and long quests. Do everything the opposite of what blizzard has done. No borrowed power bs. Let all classes use gear interchangeably. Don't force pvp. It has it's own mode in ff14 and uses totally diff abilities. Don't force the store down our throats. Put cool shit in game and you can buy other things in the store. It's really that simple and games are just not doing this. You are not appealing to casuals. Hardcore players are a very minor portion of your players. Make it simple and fun.

@alessiofe

25 күн бұрын

i don't want to play with people that enjoy ff14. that's literally animal crossing with swords and pedos.

@usui_s

6 күн бұрын

私は14が好きでは無い。それはMMORPGを大衆化する事が彼らの目的だからです。開発者の脳内はいつも単純だからです。単純かつ鈍感さは時に社会を嵐に包むが私はそういう事にうんざりしている。

@ikiwheese

6 күн бұрын

@@usui_s yeah, I get that. But that's the reason alot of people don't like playing things because it's too complicated. I do agree with you though. I am tired of it as well. But unfortunately, that's how it is right now.

4:57 I really don't understand why Asmon keeps hammering this point about Vanilla WoW graphics. 2004 was the year when both Doom 3 and Half Life 2 were released. In strategies we had Rome: Total War and the very first W40k: Dawn of War. This has to be some Nintedo kid's perspective or an Xbox enjoyer's from that time, because that generation of consoles exhausted its' capabilities by 2004 and lagged behind PC. From the PC-only perspective, my eyes bled from WoW graphics even then, and yes, it didn't get 10/10 in reviews primarily because of outdated graphics. Of course WoW was a huge step forward for MMOs, but PC-graphics-wise it was meh and WoW's visuals relied heavily on the art style from the very beginning.

@motan7864

Ай бұрын

yeah but all mmos prior to WoW looked like shit. So it had OK graphics but with a lot of style, which ages well

@iller3

Ай бұрын

Don't forget city of heroes either, came out the same year, looked way better than WoW at the time and this was WHILE wow already had a solid long lasting art "aesthetic" going for it.

@candykit5382

Ай бұрын

​@@motan7864they didnt though, theres lots of games that looked good but they didnt have the style wow did. WoW had style, did everything really well, had good gameplay and was the most accessible mmo ever at the time. But you could point at several MMOs that did something better than wow. They just didnt have the whole package or accessibility wow did.

@ButKorn

Ай бұрын

@@candykit5382 I think me and the other guy are talking about a very narrow aspect of graphics, especially how technologically advanced it was (or rather wasn't). Otherwise Vanilla WoW is definiely amongst the best games ever made. When I personally tried it in January or February 2005, it was an epiphany of some sort. I'm just saying that by that time it wasn't particularily graphics that blew my mind, it was everything else. Just google screenshots of FPS monsters that came out earlier in 2004 back to back: Far Cry, Painkiller, Doom 3 and finally Half-Life 2. It's only fair to compare WoW to other MMOs, or, if you're feeling generous - to other RPGs of the time.

@candykit5382

Ай бұрын

@@ButKorn i am comparing it to other mmos. There were other mmos that absolutely did aspects of wow better, but they never had the blizzard or warcraft recognition and most important they didnt have the whole package. Ff11 storytelling dunked on wow. But its gameplay was atrocious. DAOC pvp dunked on wow, but its combat gameplay was not as fluid. And neither game was nearly as accessible as wow. These games are older than wow, other games came out around wows lifetime too, lineage 2, city of heroes, etc all did stuff better than wow, but never had the whole package.

Difficult world content is what causes groups to form organically. Elite quests just outside of your ability to solo. Mobs which are challenging on one on, and if you're good you can fight two at once, but grouping up becomes a force multiplier. That's one secret to wow open world.

@exessqd100

Ай бұрын

Only if it was like that :(

@robertk1834

Ай бұрын

It is in CLASSIC which is what everyone likes

I been thinking of that as an mmo a mixtures of isekai but there is a lot of problems 😅 like the power ⚖️ and the quest etc etc

Black desert still has my #1 spot for MMO’s purely off the combat alone. But really hoping the new riot MMO takes that spot.

@EasilyImpossible

Ай бұрын

There isn't going to be a riot MMO.

The whole carriage system is super similar to how it played in some Korean mmo I used to play.. was one of the best experiences I had in video games with friends

Asmond did you ever play Dark Ages of Camelot? It was before WOW and frankly I often felt it had mechanics like no other MMO and to me it was the best pvp for an MMO there was because of it. To this day I feel like there has been nothing else like it.

i think Steven has was it takes to take this game to big heights but not as big as wow ... i dont think that is possible anymore

@MixMeister5000

Ай бұрын

That was the beginning of MMO's , definitely hard to beat.

@liarwithagun

Ай бұрын

WoW was social media before social media started maturing. Now that we do have social media no MMO will reach those concurrent player numbers. If Facebook had been around for ten years when WoW released in 2004, WoW would have still been the most successful MMO, but it wouldn't have been a cultural phenomenon like it was.

Low visibility is awful for competitive games. Don't give example with those. Fog maps in PUBG were god-awful.

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

I don't care.

when wow vanilla came out, anytime i casted a spell on my warlock my body would move forward like i was the one casting spells, that's what i want with an mmo, very immersive

@rePAULsion

Ай бұрын

Nerrrrd

Is the original video by the same guy that used to do Lore of the Cards?

As someone who played GW1 from Prophecies and WoW from WotLK .. I dont really understand his stupid hating lmao. In GW1 you can't jump but WoW is sooo stupid confusing, you have 3-4 bars with skills where in GW1 you had to choose 8 Skills (which you could always change). The problem was just the marketing, where WoW had TV ads and GW1 didn't advertise so good. Asmon really blind by WoW when it's his only mmorpg he played rlly

@EasilyImpossible

Ай бұрын

It sucks that you'll never get the opportunity to experience the things he is referring to, so your opinion makes sense for the experience you were able to have. You started WoW literally as it was dying. I played GW1 also, from its actual beginning.

@SlizzardHDx

Ай бұрын

@@EasilyImpossible I know what you mean, it's the same with GW1 in its prime, what you can never experience aswell.

I think all the caravan sh*t is very tedious. I wouldn't want to do that more than once. And one wagon does not make a caravan.

I think one of the next major innovations in video games will be in development efficiencies. If development of content is higher quality, easier, and faster to put out...that would be huge.

in regards to visibility ( 23:00 ) def should have more of it in games , i remember when i played dragon age 3 and when you first went down into the dungeons it was pitch black without torches i thought this looked and felt amazing and then a few weeks later they brought a patch out and it was all visible in the dungeon and though i still enjoyed the dungeons it was a let down for me and ruined the atmosphere of having to go around with a torch and finding the locations to light oil lamps ect

What’s mmo

@legionofanon

Ай бұрын

Massive multiplayer online

Fine, I'll tell you the secret formula. Take Elden Ring, then add more players. Pay model stays the same, buy to play with payed DLC later when its ready, enough content for a long time until the next DLC. Doesn't matter what the game play style is, this will work if they game is satisfying.

The caravan experience gives me very strong vibes of DAOC back in the day before New Frontiers. Going deep in to enemy territory to steal their relic then protect it as you bring it back to your side. I'm hoping the PvP elements effect things in the PvE side of things and is not kept separate as DAOC's next iteration, ESO, has done.

Have a team of NPCs that loot for you but bigger creatures they aren't allowed to loot leaving you to only have to loot it when it might be impactful

Asmongold is so right about WOW in 2004. It was 1000x times better than i expected. I hadn't played any game that looked that good or played so well up to that point. What impressed me besides the gameplay and graphics was how there was almost no load screens. You could run forever it felt like until you'd get to a spot where it'd have to load in a new area. The game really hooked me fast cause I never even heard anything about it until about a week before it came out, there wasn't much online videos or hype for games back then other than a few websites if you followed them which i didn't that much. So I just saw the game i think at gamespot in a preview and thought i'd try it... and damn it was just shocking how it blew everything away.

@VietFS

Ай бұрын

but its a negative way of experience anything. Imagine watching the nba and comparing everyone to Michael Jordan. You can't expect that or you wont enjoy the nba again. Same with games. GOATs are GOATs and it doesn't happen often that you find a contender for it. We might get a game that is better than WOW because his mechanics are outdated but its kind of impossible to think that an MMO will release and have a similar impact that WOW did. And dont get me wrong, we can HOPE to get one but we can't expect to get it every time a game releases. The game would be already at -1 rating before start playing.

@JayBigDadyCy

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I didn't even know something like that was even possible. I was a noob to MMos. I knew about EQ and EQ2, as well as DaoC, but never played them. As a huge Warcraft fan, I was absolutely blown away. 10/10 experience and nostalgia for sure.

@jubjuba1982

Ай бұрын

You didn’t play ffxi? Everything about it was better than wow.

The next step would with out a doubt be a VR MMO. If sony releases PS6 with included VR and an new groundbreaking MMO, then thats a GG

@vanisyn2495

Ай бұрын

I think we are 20+ years away from something like that

@banishedbr

Ай бұрын

me hoping ps5 is the last BS console happening and you come with hopes for a next, cmon stop, there is no need for an extra after PC.

@joachimmrl

Ай бұрын

@@vanisyn2495 probably, unless they find an new cheap innovative way of making the hardware. but still, no new mmo will compare to wow until that VR leap in tech and cost i think.

@rexammus

Ай бұрын

a VR setup is like 3k+ btw, and it hasn't gone down much ever since like, 3-5 years ago, so...

@joachimmrl

Ай бұрын

@@rexammus exactly what im tryiong to say, when VR gets better and cheaper, way cheaper, thats when we will get the next groundbreaking MMO

11:24 It's Power Fantasy coupled with the Hero's Journey character progression. No need for complicated stories which WoW did well early on, makes us feel like we are getting powerful vs the baseline world but with dragons to slay. And don't raise the stakes too fast either. I feel in Isekai anime they add flavors with the S-class type of ranking systems and tournaments things like that would fit well in an MMO as well.

I think tech like Server Meshing for SC, is something that will be needed to make great MMOs in the future. I don't want to talk about SC, but the tech behind it tho, is something special.

this video is basically gonna be asmongold talking about how ahead of its time WoW classic was and how no other game will ever reach that height of gaming lmaoo calling it now

@kokocaptainqc

Ай бұрын

pretty much...i dont care as long as he doesnt pull blatant lies about other games like ''yeah you had to pay 5 dollars for each quest'' or something like that

LazyPeon isn't the same content creator I once liked. After his poor GW2 Secret of the Obscure review, I'm more than sure that he lost his love to creating a genuine reviews

@nakano15

Ай бұрын

I actually stopped following him after he made an entire video to advertise AFK Arena. I couldn't even watch it until the end.

@isacmachado1119

Ай бұрын

For those unaware, lazypeon played gw2 for an hour or less and thought it was enough for a review video

@volgtonnen318

Ай бұрын

@@isacmachado1119 The onus was on us to realize he was called 'TheLazyPeon' for a reason

The. Text big MMO will be based primarily around player driven content, but still be solo friendly. Nobody can make content fast enough to keep up with the demand of an MMO audience. Including mechanics that can turn player behavior into significant events could make actual new content secondary.

I feel it is too easy. You should get some negative rep with the faction those goods are from and you should get the most basic and slow ship if you go over water like that and a harbor should allow you to use a made ship that is better. Ships should also be destructible and capturable. For example destroying a harbor gives you all ships located there. You should also not be able to survive long in water... stamina. Same for caravan... make it that you get a basic one but have better tiers. There also should be npc factions and some world apocolypse events like undead. There should also be timezones where you can get attacked. Or nodes with a lot of aggresive wild life with regular raids or a raid with a big ice queen. Nodes should also have unique resources and special zones. Those zones have a lvl range and a single difficulty. Aka reincarnation of the sword god. I think that novel would be such a good mmo.

Aren't we coming up on nearly 10 years since Ashes of Creation was first revealed? I was definitely not impressed then and nothing has been shown to date that's given me any confidence the game will be worth sinking tons of time into it.

@Runsta101

Ай бұрын

7 years, but your point is valid.

@CHIM3RA.

Ай бұрын

Just go watch every monthly showcase the past year, AOC looks like a very in depth MMO. I personally can't wait to see Alpha 2 testing in Q3 this year, should bring back some good hopium in the MMO community.

@akhsdenlew1861

Ай бұрын

@@Runsta101 bro i am sorry but in 7 years, my whole neighbourhood was demolished and replaced by 8 floor buildings that Throw Hyper beams to alliens. My point is, that 7 years is TOOOOOOOOOOOO long for just 1 game.

@coadamolx0100

Ай бұрын

​@@akhsdenlew1861it's not ,6-7 yrs is the usual time to make ur cut of the mil mmo and realistically ashes didn't really start fully developing until 2020-2021 cuz of a lot of stuff that am too lazy to get into

@akhsdenlew1861

Ай бұрын

@@coadamolx0100 the project was announced 7 years ago.. that's the only thing that matters. the things that got in their way are problems to be solved.. their problems. If it took 4-5 years for them to figure some shit out, it's THEIR fault. Keep in mind, that 7.. actually, 8 years later ( almost) and the game is like.. NOWHERE near complete. if u take such a big period of time to make a game, you better crush the market and the whole gaming industry with it... otherwise it's not worth it. it's gonna hit the 10year threshold for sure.