Lets push this vid over 1 MILLION VIEWS! Lets make Tyber proud! GOGOGO!

@dragonrider1736

4 ай бұрын

For the Emperor!

@TheInvisibleCactusYT

4 ай бұрын

For the Emperor!

@Shinypiggy101

3 ай бұрын

So close

@DomoKuchikan

19 күн бұрын

We made it! On to the next battlefield in his name!

Remember. If they take it down again, it means it's canon.

@K2HunterX

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, the novel is still canon, most of it I think.

@Life-tastic

2 жыл бұрын

That means that the big E is actually the bad guy

@williammoore5081

2 жыл бұрын

It's 40k. Everything is the bad guy.

@soriddosuneko

2 жыл бұрын

@@Life-tastic I mean, everyone in 40k has their own agenda

@soriddosuneko

2 жыл бұрын

@@Life-tastic Emps did a lot of things that are very very immoral

"The difference is I KNOW I am right." The most dangerous phrase ever spoken by anyone.

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

Said Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, and so on never

@wolftinfilmcartography2620

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary never?

@lalas198

2 жыл бұрын

That's the most Emperor thing to say lol.

@adibadiana1427

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary yeah but it's different

@thebitch9224

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he can see the future… so, shaver he considers to be true is probably true. He’s insanely powerful and knowledgeable. Anything he knows is bound to be more true then anything someone else would know. His truth is truer then anyone else’s.

"Why did everyone think of me as a God?" -12 foot tall golden glowing super man with a halo of light behind his head

@3adgamd3r

Жыл бұрын

Who actively projected a psychic presence so powerful he could be sensed by non psykers just in the general vicinity of him lmao

@user-nl6xv2fh9f

Жыл бұрын

Well to make a point for emps here, if i dress like that will you believe i am a god too?

@xaga8794

Жыл бұрын

@@user-nl6xv2fh9f if you are also god like... Kind of yeah

@europa8292

Жыл бұрын

@@user-nl6xv2fh9f well I mean if you were 12 feet tall, were glowing with gold and had basically space magic then yeah I’d think you were a god

@MrDeathMachine

Жыл бұрын

Sisters of Silence see an old man when they look at him.

“To deny humanity a thing will only make them crave it more” Exactly what happened with Lorgar. Uriah’s warning came true.

@sovietunion7643

Жыл бұрын

lorgar was more "if you don't give people a healthy way to deal with their need they will find unhealthy ways" he was always going to need spiritual anchor in fact I'm pretty sure the reason why humanity believed the big E was a god was an inherent need for something greater. lorgar wasn't just punished he was humiliated in front of his father/god and his brothers. so he decided that he would find purpose in the dark gods who loved nothing more then praise. what could have been the emperor's most stout defender and warrior became his enemy simply due to the emperor's arrogance

@TheJingoist

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietunion7643 If there's anyone I hope finds a way back, it's Lorgar. One of the more tragic characters in Warhammer 40k. Even Malcador says he regrets it.

@LordVader1094

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietunion7643 Tbf, Lorgar did some sus things while "converting" planets, and the Emperor told him to stop repeatedly before burning his city.

@inquisitorilyaal3959

Жыл бұрын

Faith

@farkasabel

Жыл бұрын

Not just any human. A 'perfect' human. Who supposed to see everything with logic and reason yet the Emperor put the fate of the galaxy in the hands of several zealots, madman and despots.

“Your vision will bring an eternity of war.” It is now part of my headcanon that when the Emperor, imprisoned upon a great throne, casts his gaze over the galaxy that has been torn asunder by ceaseless war, his dream for humanity ten thousand years dead-he remembers an old man in a lonely church.

@tristanband4003

2 жыл бұрын

A part of him realizing that he perhaps should have listened to Uriah, if only to temper his arrogance

@Brainflayer

2 жыл бұрын

That's a beautiful thought. An idea that if he awakens, he takes Uriah's words to heart and builds a better Imperium.

@HinokasArabfan1

2 жыл бұрын

Also Uriah said: "beware that your people do not worship you as a god" the emperor now remembers what he said.

@papacheese6431

2 жыл бұрын

The emperor, through the fog of the warp, remembers the confidence and kindness, inspired by faith, that Uriah displayed that night.

@darthlazurus4382

2 жыл бұрын

It's my belief that this was the last time The Emperor had an actual conversation with a human. Burning the Last Church was him burning away the last of his actual humanity.

The voice actor for the Emperor was magnificent. Nice to see the reading of the novel done so well.

@CBRN-115

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, the voice really fits

@monseurwanksalotte3477

3 жыл бұрын

massive mufasa vibe tbh

@DQBlizzard_

2 жыл бұрын

the priest's voice is kinda off but I agree

@joer8954

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, sounds badass.

@akumaking1

2 жыл бұрын

Randolph Carter version is awesome

The Voice of the Emperor is so fitting, hint of arrogance, and with an unmatched ferocity of one that is beyond human.

@grimmlight4541

11 ай бұрын

For the Emperor!

@tarazzzs

10 ай бұрын

And with some weariness and sadness that only a being that lived for millennials can posses.

@danielbroome5690

9 ай бұрын

And yet that arrogance is bred from experience and the fact that he knows these things first-hand.

@simpleman3898

7 ай бұрын

Exactly! Needs to meet others of his kind. Went crazy

@SuperElite27000000

7 ай бұрын

I honestly heard no arrogance in his tone at all, maybe a bit condescending, but that can't really be helped considering this would be like us trying to explain fine concepts to a toddler.

Uriah's story of how barbaric were thunderwarriors in terms of engaging the fleeing enemy really did gives consideration for the emperor to purge them in the end.

@KillTeamHungary

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I made a fan fiction piece about that voiced by @a vox in the void, go and check that out ;)

@lvo9197

Жыл бұрын

The astartes are not much better though. A lot of the times we get the perspective of regular people of the space marines, they are pretty horryfying.

@max.z9991

Жыл бұрын

Let me introduce you to the Flesh Tearers.

@Nitidus

Жыл бұрын

This is how ancient and medieval battles worked. Casualties only started to amount once the line was broken and one party fled the battlefield. That was when the cavalry engaged and the fleeing enemies were pursued, run down, butchered and plundered by the regular soldier.

@janesullivan1969

Жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary What is it called?

This is more entertaining than any movie released in a while, and it's just two guys having a philosophical talk.

@itsguanyu

3 жыл бұрын

Literally, that was more entertaining than anything I've been watching for about a year maybe.

@westerncivilization

3 жыл бұрын

Conversation fits with some ghost in the shell themes.

@EdricLysharae

3 жыл бұрын

People always forget pacing these days: Just let a story unwind, and people will remember it.

@ulyssesasmr2962

3 жыл бұрын

always nice to see good ASMRtists like 40k uwu

@zerlichr426

3 жыл бұрын

I think the main point is that most films now forget to create world to live in. By that i mean most of movies now have really robotic dialouge, constant refrences to real world or that stupid winking to camera that Disney Star Wars did. It's so frustrating that films forget to be films and acually sell you that it is diffrent world/reality. That have rules and people acually will have conversations. This is just 2 people that never existed, but you still can feel from how they talk and act what kind of past they had. And overexplaning things. I mean most of Disney movies are quilty of that

When a priest predicts your eventual fall instead of a scientist.

@xzenitramx666

3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy you need to read the other books

@madtechnocrat9234

3 жыл бұрын

That priest's soul fell into the hands of chaos gods if i remember correctly...

@ivankraljevic1

3 жыл бұрын

@@madtechnocrat9234 not canon

@mr.mysteriousyt6118

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivankraljevic1 who decides that?

@madtechnocrat9234

3 жыл бұрын

@williampg gois United states are not in charge of warhammer even if the think so...

Now imagine the Thunder Warriors just standing out there all night while this goes on

@ASingleSpaghetti

Жыл бұрын

Proto Socially Awkward Astartes

@benjamintim3542

Жыл бұрын

@@ASingleSpaghetti disciplined soldiers to a fault, at least until the madness set in

@andrespolo2722

10 ай бұрын

I thought they were custodes, or the first Astartes that ever existed

@CalciumCrusader

10 ай бұрын

@@andrespolo2722the thunder warriors were Porto astartes they existed before the primarchs themselves

@ThePigeon5734

10 ай бұрын

@@ASingleSpaghetti awkstartes? Astopes?

Emperor: I want no religion in my New World. Lorgar: Allow me to introduce Lectitio Divinitatus.

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

lol indeed

@brendancoulter5761

Жыл бұрын

Emperor: I want no religion in my New World. Mars: Except us? Emperor: Yeah except you, but fuck Lorgar.

EMPEROR: just because you believe something to be true it doesnt make it so . Orkz: WHAT DA HUMMIE TALKIN ?

@andrewgreeb916

3 жыл бұрын

I assume even Orkz have limits to their beliefs

@timothywillox8564

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgreeb916 The race that believes so hard that things painted red go faster makes things painted red go faster…has limits on their beliefs.

@timothywillox8564

3 жыл бұрын

@williampg gois Commisar Yarrick comes to mind as prime example of that in practice.

@jessenielsen7218

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't Gork and Mork the strongest gods in 40K?

@patrik9328

2 жыл бұрын

”Dat humie is stoopid!”

Somewhere in the Warp; Uriah is watching The Emperor with an understanding smile in the year 40,000.

@godemperorofmankind5874

3 жыл бұрын

He is indeed smiling.. but he is now with me

@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886

3 жыл бұрын

@@godemperorofmankind5874 Listen to his advice my emperor, and enjoy debating and drinking wine with him.

@nofuxgivens2797

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah right...hes drinking his tea and looking at the UNO Reverse Draw 40,000 that was played on the emperor and laughing

@godemperorofmankind5874

3 жыл бұрын

@@nofuxgivens2797 that’s me and him your talkin to Son

@johndanes2294

3 жыл бұрын

"Babies can't be heretics! They're babies!"

The Emperor: Appears before a dying man as a golden figure saying "I am the only truth" Also the Emperor: "Bro why would you think that I was god??"

@lornbaker1083

3 ай бұрын

Nobody can deny that he is seriously giving some mixed messages and need to figure out his crap. I genuinely think this was the moment that the emperor realized. I can't keep doing crack from the backgroundthe way I have been because otherwise this is going to keep happening every single time. But unfortunately, because he couldn't be honest about his grand plan. It's still happened with horace and the rest

The emperor would probably be happier not having everyone beneath him. You can tell there’s joy he experiences in the simple act of connecting to another in this short with out any kind of hierarchy present. Even something as universal across cultures as enjoying parenthood was robbed from by having to see the primarchs only as tools.

@robertwilkins3167

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine that, at the end of the day, the Emperor must be a lonely man. He's pushing 40,000 years old when he meets Uriah. People wanted to worship him as a god even during the Great Crusade. The conversation that he had with Uriah really humanizes him and makes me think that the one thing he may want most that he's never going to have because he's well the Emperor is sincere camaraderie with other humans.

@randomcenturion7264

Жыл бұрын

In the End and the Death, Malcador believes The Emperor always hated that title. It seemed obnoxious to him, but a role he had to fulfil. Granted, that's Mal's opinion but he knew Emps better than most.

@foodfordagods541

8 ай бұрын

@55:00 doesn't this describe what happens now to heretics

@duke9157

6 ай бұрын

He does love them as sons, the part of his soul that carried his empathy compassion and love was severed from his soul before his fight with Horus so he would not hesitate during their battle.

@Dibbz_TV

Ай бұрын

There was genuine happiness and gratitude when they sipped the nicer wine. He almost sounded relieved

They did fucking what?! This huge ass project of solidifying this awesum piece of literature and free advertising and Games Workshop did fucking WHAT

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Yes brother...they are the Chaos God of Greed

@marchereve3280

3 жыл бұрын

Yes pot of greed + "right" full claim + protect proprety is à deadly combo on content creator

@twojstarypijany3182

3 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary I'd say it's tzeenth's work cause it does not make any sense Edit: finger slipped on wrong letter

@voodooozo3755

3 жыл бұрын

Oh , It makes me love GW even more...

@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290

3 жыл бұрын

They took it down and are intending to monotise it via their own streaming service, no more free content for the 40k fans.

"I believe you, Apocalipsis" "But, I cannot be a part of it" Right in the feels.

@benjamindavey4782

Жыл бұрын

One thing that gives me some contentment in regards to the ending is that Uriah died happy. He reflected on all the good he had done and the peace he had found thanks to his faith, and died holding the watch (resembling his family) and while kneeling in prayer in his church that had given him healing and purpose in his later years. The Emperor's fate was far more tragic, in the end.

@AttaKru

Жыл бұрын

@@benjamindavey4782 Emperor is the most tragic character found in any literature. Not that i know all, but still tragic.

@jasonscott7734

Жыл бұрын

Anyone else get the impression at the end that Uriah did EXACTLY what the Emperor was frightened people would do in the name of religion? Anything.

@AttaKru

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonscott7734 Totally, Uriah unintentionally proved the Emperor's point. Complex scene. Religion in a nutshell. i just love it.

@Peter-vf3dl

Жыл бұрын

Only fanatics deal in extremes. What makes Uriah so desireable - and I think it is partly the reason for the more or less secret admiration by the Emperor for him - is his ability that he is able to reflect the church's flaws. Nonetheless, he found his personal, probably intended and non-missionary way to gain true inner strength through it. His final words, reasoning, refusal for the offer and subsequent suicide make this perfectly clear. That makes Uriah actually a threat and reason why religion must be purged, I guess. It's been very often misleading and authorities have abused their power in its name, however religion or belief in general have also the potential to immunize ppl towards extremism and make ppl find their inner peace. And peace is exactly what the Emperor doesnot need.

I love how these two both make excellent arguments for their position, but both have a degree of hypocrisy and arrogance. It's realistic and enlightening while being respectful to both sides.

@sinistrality7883

Жыл бұрын

they're both human, after all, he may be a 12 foot tall psychic superhuman, but deep down he's just a human, he too is susceptible to flaws present within all of us, that's why it doesn't surprise me that even in his imperial truth, he's still a massive hypocrite.

@no3ironman11100

Жыл бұрын

It's insane how many people are trying to portray one side as an idiot before the other when the book was clearly written with intentional logical issues. It's clear how calculated it is too. Note how the emperor often ignores the priest's points, he wants to convince fast and does not believe a word of what the priest says could hold water. It's like a computer not even letting the message hang out on it's hard drive to know it exists. It passes through and he outputs a response to defend his stance rather than see it truly. The priest has foolish bursts of anger meanwhile, and occasionally stammers into a "but faith!". Several times they circle eachother in an honestly silly "religion did bad" "yes but religion did good". Old wisened men fighting like teenagers in a sandpit. Except it represents the extent of the typical human experience in debate. There is highs and lows and outbursts and calm, though the unobservant might not see the tinge of anger below the emperor's words. Despite many reasonable ideas and many silly ones from both sides, the priest dies with a clear warning. The emperor's rule will lead to endless war and the people will turn to worship him in the darkest hours. And then the clock to the end of everything ticks to midnight. This truly is awe inspiring art and it is simply beyond the capability of most men to understand, even with having read the 40k universe and knowing what will happen-but especially those who have not read it would never understand and merely pick a side- for their own limited fleshy brain to decide is "mostly right and the other guy is kinda wrong".

@The_preserver_x16

Жыл бұрын

@@no3ironman11100 but the priest didn’t disregard or totally argue against the emperor’s point. The emperor was arguing against religion all together while the priest was arguing for its existence, not it’s supremacy. The priest was main argument was that religion can be used for evil but it’s potential for goodness is still a prevalent necessity for humanity. That at the very least, religion should play a role to a minor degree rather than total outright rejection/ban, as the current landscape of 40k would be the inevitable result. At least the priest admits the failing of religion while emperor ignores the points of the priest. Hell if you read the lore or look at history, every society that chooses rational extremes like the Greeks and Romans collapse on themselves regressing towards religious extremes. While societal entities like India beca me so religious that rather than defend their nation from the Mughals they instead built temples in hopes of the gods defending them. Hell the Buddha himself explicitly told his followers that he’s not a god and what happened after his death, his followers split. The sect that defied him would inevitably become the most dominant, diverse, and wide spread frame of thought in East Asia. While rational belief systems like communism would result in the literal death of millions in Russia and China to such a extent that their demographic collapse is imminent to this day. Yes religion is has twisted traits but rational philosophy has a greater emphasis on cruelty for pragmatism.

@no3ironman11100

Жыл бұрын

@@The_preserver_x16 Yeah I agree, Religion is a lense into human psychology, what we fear and what we wish future generations do. As you do say, the point of the story is the emperor may have been correct to desire religion gone in his universe. But even if it's for the long term, we all wonder, were his methods right? From his view that is not unlike a god's omnipresence, the emperor is shown as failing to take the angle of a human being. You can sense part of him wishes to laugh and glee as he speaks to the priest, even if he does not. The priest senses as much. Right or wrong, but especially human nature and feelings vs raw hyper rationalism. Facts or feelings. If one was to win over as you say it might be cruel and turn us to logical automata, doomed to break down. The other would make us nothing but animals, growling and sneering as convenient to our belief, as god "forgives" any atrocity commited. Of course neither debater here is ENTIRELY such a fool, but they are given argumentative flaws intentionally. Communism is such an example. Cold rationalism mixing with the raw emotion of men who have been abused throughout industrialisation. Think of the intense sufferings, the times governments did nothing for those people.. and the times ideological violence was rewarded. The core of communism is built from the sorrow of men and women torn apart by a harsh life period, much harsher than what peasants had before. But a wish isn't enough for a functional societal system. Despite there being many philosophers and wise men who devised plans and ways to establish communism, the nature of the raw human emotions behind it's establishment leads to mistakes. In a sense, the things that happen under such regimes is both a beautifull display of the human spirit to rebel, to wish a greater future for their partner and children... and an atrocious display of violence and being misguided by incompetent, angry despots, no different from corporate overlords, who realize they were way in over their head leading millions. in short I agree with the conclusion you seem to have, both are a window into our souls, and if we do not be carefull of our behavior upon our fellow human beings and the changes we wish upon our society it can only end up misguided. The first fool to analyze is ourselves, not the others.

@TheRandomMuffinMan

Жыл бұрын

@@no3ironman11100Honestly I feel like the Priest’s arguments where a bit weaker than the Emperor’s in this one. I’m pretty sure I read that it’s because the author doesn’t know many good arguments for Religion. I’m only 11 minutes in and I see some counter points that the priest could have made that where pretty good ones. Granted I’ve seen this before but I only remember feeling like the priest’s arguments could have been better. Hell if you ignore your biases and look into 40k, you’d know that the Emperor is actually wrong in that there’s no higher powers since the warp exists and belief and emotions can create gods like how the Eldar formed their pantheon or how the Chaos Gods came into existence through emotions. Whether he’s right that it’s better to abandon faith for science and reason is a different argument all together though. One that’s probably true within reason though.

Uriah already proved that gods existed by picking a fight with Thunder Warriors twice and lived.

@ThabisoNkomo-xu6bs

5 ай бұрын

Tzeetch: Just as planned.

I may be wrong. But this whole Anthology, was about the Emperor being unable to separate Faith from Religion. Uraiah has his religion broken, but his Faith remained as unbrekable as ever. And the Emperor simply does not understand that, since he does not need Faith, or more like refuses to accept it.

@funkmantim2661

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, even by this point, it was pretty much like telling a person to trust in someone else when they know that they are potentially stronger than any other being considered a god, or at least on par. Faith cannot be put into any being when they do not know of anything greater than themselves.

@nicak777alex9

3 жыл бұрын

@@funkmantim2661 also beings that in a bad day can become either food or as twisted as Slaaneesh

@MoreEvilThanYahweh

3 жыл бұрын

You can't blame the Emperor for believing what he did. He was made from the collected souls and experience of nearly every trained psyker on pre-historic Earth; then personally witnessed every victory and failure of the human spirit since men first learned to work metal all the way to near mastery of the galaxy second only to the Eldar only to see it all come crashing down. We're told that the Iron Men revolting was already far worse than the Horus Heresy and perhaps all the Imperium's wars combined, we truly can't grasp the horrors the Emperor must have witnessed in the Age of Strife to shatter his optimism, finally stop helping humanity in the shadows and start the bloody reunification of Terra. That an unfathomable being such as him even bothered to still listen to "mere humans" like Uriah speaks of a semblance of humility under all the hubris we expect and know of him. Take the willingness of a hundred years old man that's travelled the world, experienced all manner of things taking life advice from a two year old... Then multiply that a thousandfold.

@zerlichr426

3 жыл бұрын

Well Faith sort of works in warhammer universe. It's basis for how Warp works. A blind Faith or devotion, or your own fear can spawn biggest horrors of this wrold. Emperor knows that and he can't control it. Might as well destroy all Faith and destroy Chaos gods that way. Only Old Ones knew how to control powers of the Warp and because Emperor had no time to just explain that. Becuase paradox is created because if you don't know how Warp works you can easly awaken it. Buf if you know how it works, it's abasicly useless because you can't create enough big belief to make it work. Not to mention many people just can't let go of their on Faith. And Emperor knew it.

@mooncake387

3 жыл бұрын

Faith is folly , faith keeps people from thinking critically , faith keeps people stupid.

It's intriguing how, ten thousand years later, faith is the very thing keeping humanity together.

@thebighurt2495

3 жыл бұрын

Ironically, that faith is the best hope mankind has since belief in a deity actually redirects that power AWAY from Chaos. The power the Emperor gets from the Imperial Cult would actually be boosting Chaos instead if the Imperial Truth had stuck.

@afqwa423

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, but it's a Catch-22 and the darkest timeline. You need to sustain the very system that oppressed and kills many of its own subjects because the worst possible behavior has become a necessity of survival. It is a fate that's worse than death and which is only forestalling the inevitable extinction or enslavement of the species.

@MrCmon113

3 жыл бұрын

Faith is the thing keeping humanity stagnant and keeping chaos alive.

@MrCmon113

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebighurt2495 Without faith they could have found ways to defeat chaos 9 thousand years ago.

@thebighurt2495

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrCmon113 Actually, Chaos is powered mostly by emotion. So long as intelligent beings (any form of sentient life) feel lust or desire, Slaanesh will exist. So long as anyone feels anger, Khorne will exist. So long as anyone feels love, Nurgle will exist. The only way to kill the Chaos Gods would be to eliminate all life except the Tyranids, and maybe the Orks. The Necrons aren't "alive." However, if you believe in a deity, what power you WOULD send to Khorne, etc, goes to that thing you believe in instead. The Emperor, Cegorach and the Omnissiah *cough*Dragon*cough* being worshipped is actually sapping power away from the Chaos Gods they'd be getting by default. Technically, this applies to the Orks, too, since they have their own Gods.

Damn time flies by! 2 years since we finished it (and a couple more for the production), but I feel like was yesterday. Had a blast making the art for it, and this animation really changed many personal things in my life (even how I perceive this religious topic). From time to time I check here the comments, and it's really nice after all this time to see people enjoying your work and discussing what was made. Huge thank you to everyone who supported us in the process, unfortunately, we could not keep going, but at least we had a great run!

@KillTeamHungary

7 ай бұрын

After talking with Tyber I think the community suffered a great loss not being able to see your upcoming project, The Triumph of Ulanor. This is just as big of a tragedy as the Death of Hope being cancelled. We will never forgive GW for this. Never. You distinguished people are a gift to our hobby and community and The God Emperor bless you for all the work you have done. From the bottom of my heart I wish you people all the best in life! Maybe in another life we will get to see the rest of your work. ❤️

@gangstercheesefries1112

7 ай бұрын

You guys single-handedly got me into Warhammer dude. Thanks sincerely

@rottingravensblood9106

7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@ToBeFrank_.

7 ай бұрын

@@gangstercheesefries1112 Same, I really loved this, and it showed me a more serious side of warhammer I hadn't seen much of before. I've rewatched this many times, and wish there was more stuff like it.

@gangstercheesefries1112

7 ай бұрын

@@ToBeFrank_. I love the philosophical side of Warhammer doesn't matter if it's good philosophy or bad its always entertaining then dudes like these fellas come along with the beautiful voice acting music and art and tie it all together with a big bow we live in an wonderful time for storytelling

46:00 love this part. “Sorry for your loss. If it makes you feel any better, the people who killed your family was obliterated because they would not accept unity.” “I don’t cheer for their demise, them being judged by my god is good enough for me.” His so called god before him, “how noble.”

@Taydutt13

11 ай бұрын

He did judge them

@steadyjumper3547

6 ай бұрын

@@Taydutt13judged and buried

@WredFawks

5 ай бұрын

Lorgar based his book on Erebus's retelling of this meeting.

@farenhaid13421

4 ай бұрын

@@WredFawks Oh my.. how did lorgar fucked the story?

@WredFawks

4 ай бұрын

@@farenhaid13421 Let's just say, Manarchia was a justified response and the tantrum Lorgar through got called The Horus Heresy.

This is what 40K is/was/supposed to be for me. Meaningful discussions. Questions of faith and the purpose and future of Humanity.

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the books I can listen any time, over and over again and still find something new.

@azathoththe3rd

2 жыл бұрын

Now it's turned to more important question. Like how to ship two incredibly different characters together? Or memes. Yea, it's fallen off.

@hazbiniznow89

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh.. I'm 6 books into the heresy series and the "meaningful conversations" are just well known cleeshays and ham fisted quotations you can find posted on motivational pages, it's cringe asf. If you are into 40k for meaningful discussions I feel bad for you man. 40k is a parody of meaningful conversations.

@deadlyydude5522

2 жыл бұрын

@@hazbiniznow89 depends. I do think there’s some good stuff in 40k that does feel meaningful, but yes, there is a lot of fake deep quotes accompanied with big battles and violence. But certain books, like Fulgrim, Helsreach, Thousand Sons, and the Eisenhorn series, for example, are genuinely well written and have some meaningful stuff

@benjaminlyons5261

2 жыл бұрын

@@hazbiniznow89 cleeshays no. Cliché yes. Just wanted to offer that to you so you can be taken more seriously.

when gods clash, galaxies burn....foreshadowing

@brotheralaric7177

3 жыл бұрын

he was predicting the future.

@CBRN-115

3 жыл бұрын

"For the Ruinous Powers!" Vs. "For the God-Emperor of Mankind!"

@Bornst3ll3r

2 жыл бұрын

@@brotheralaric7177 and the past (ctan vs old ones)

"Your Vision will bring an Eternity of war!" Man just predicted the Imperium's Future

@Kalantinus94

Жыл бұрын

There would be a war nonetheless. Not with man against another man but against Chaos and Xenos. Emperor is indeed dictator but given the grand schemes of things, it's better to live under the dictatorship than being eated by Tyranid or have ribcage raped by Futa Slaneeshi demon.

@aricordjimsu3226

6 ай бұрын

Man was probably a Psyker

@janehrahan5116

6 ай бұрын

Nope. Not at all. Yahweh doesn't bless psykers.

"Because I KNOW that I am right." The most horrific sentiment that can ever be expressed.

@lornbaker1083

3 ай бұрын

And the worst part is it still keeps going to this day

@Adrirale

2 ай бұрын

Well, the Emperor is indeed right

@blackopsy9

2 ай бұрын

He's a being at the time this takes place well over 50,000 years old, perhaps far older. He has lived for over a thousand generations throughout all of recorded (and unrecorded) human history. The Imperium he built thrived under his guiding principles and sage wisdom. It wasn't until his vision was upturned that decay set in. He KNOWS he's right, it just wasn't within his power to fully realize his goal.

@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin

Ай бұрын

@@blackopsy9 The upturning of his vision was inevitable though. See my other post

@chuckchalmers4960

Ай бұрын

The emperor also is convinced he is right. But the worst part is he is proven wrong, and the priest is proven right.

"This is the last church on Terra, history will soon be done with places like this..." Oh, how wrong you were, Big E...

@ollanius_papyrus80

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, terra itself became one giant church, worshipping the man at the center of it all, Who would see it all burned to the ground.

@boooster101

2 жыл бұрын

@@ollanius_papyrus80 Keep in mind that the Emperor even in his prime accepted a LOT of compromises to keep the Imperium going. The cult Mechanicus, pressure from the High Lords to convene the Council of Nikea, Primarchs ignoring his word or going against it, So there is really good argument for why he would not go against the Imperial Cult and other such institutions similar to how Guilliman didn't dismantle them. Years ago I was part of a big discussion that ended with the conclusion that the character and the idea of the Emperor are so far removed from one each othat, that the Imperium might execute BigE himself if he seemingly goes against 'the will of the Emperor'. Quite morbid.

@ollanius_papyrus80

2 жыл бұрын

@TwoCentsforCharon I mean, the whole Monarchia incident seems like a pretty crucial contradiction to that as far as his tolerance. While I do admit that the mechanicus thing was an outlier, I don’t think he’d let his ideal future for humanity incorporate worship of any kind, least of all himself. Otherwise it wouldn’t be… well… his ideal future.

@boooster101

2 жыл бұрын

@@ollanius_papyrus80 yeah but monarchia... I know its canon but jesus.... It was written so bad. Almost like a fantasy of Lorgar to stand up against the 'big bad evil guy' If the chapter had ended with something like it being told by Kor phaeron as a propaganda piece, it would have made more sense

@evilmiera

2 жыл бұрын

As always. Not a whole lot he wasn't entirely wrong about.

“It is the lot of old men to look back on themselves in their youth and the mistakes they made and regrets they carry.” Foreshadowing at its best.

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Uuuf indeed

Whenever people say that W40K writing is essentially teen fiction, I point them to this. Beautifully written, beautifully acted, and beautifully animated.

@mikehunt3420

9 ай бұрын

Who the fuck says this is teen fiction?! 40k is ultraviolent and frankly pretty obscure.

@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669

7 ай бұрын

​@@mikehunt3420Hmm...not to say that Warhammer is like that, but what you said is usually in teen fanfics

@shanemclaughlin1891

7 ай бұрын

Teen fiction! Ha! I remember reading the HH in the 80's-90's. Just hit the big 50 and I have over 40 books in the series,including the Collected Visions book. I love it! Used to have the pewter figures,till lost in transit.

@segismundosaulalex3065

7 ай бұрын

You do know that this is a Fan-made product right? The fact that the fans can write doesn't inmediately means the original release also had this quality.

@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470

6 ай бұрын

I just ordered tales of heresy off of eBay because I want this story it is amazingly well-written

Love the depictions of the Thunder Warriors in this short story. Monsters created to fight the gene-bred, techno/psycher horrors of a post-apocalyptic Earth, when unleashed on normal humans their bloodlust and savagery is on full display. This is why the Emperor disposed of them when the war was over, once the monsters were gone, the only monsters left were them.

@gustavoritter7321

Жыл бұрын

He could have, you know, not made them monsters. He made the Custodes after all.

@minihalkoja590

Жыл бұрын

@@gustavoritter7321 But making the Custodes took time and resources. He made the Thunder Warriors first, to serve as the prototype Custodes/Astartes, and as a means to get himself power, time and resources.

@HXC060592

Жыл бұрын

@@gustavoritter7321 Different type of soldier created a different way for a different purpose entirely. The Custodes took an immense amount of time, resources, and failures to achieve. I believe the metric is something staggering like out of all the noble sons given to the Custodes project it's like 1 - 1000 survive the gene alchemy necessary to trigger the transformation. That wouldn't do to conquer Earth, even the Custodes didn't have the capabilities to pacify the techno barbarians. The Pan Pacific dictatorship alone had many many millions of soldiers, for all their godlike martial powers the Custodes simply couldn't have been everywhere at once. Plus, creating super soldiers is hard, even the Emperor, he required practice. The Thunder Warriors were the first of the, "mass produced super soldier" that the Emperor had in his long play book and where the Thunder Warriors failed or were subpar, the Space Marines were engineered to have no such flaws.

@jocundus4088

Жыл бұрын

@@HXC060592 * laughter of thirsting gods in the distance *

@Jarial7

Жыл бұрын

Superb answer when king Arthur had conquered his enemies he said to merlin who is there that can destroy us now Merlin looked at him and said sadly my liege only ourselves

The scene when the priest and the Emperor just enjoy an old wine is really touching and a bit sad. The Old world and the New world sharing a last bottle together before the last remain of the old world fades away.

@idiom2805

2 жыл бұрын

Damn

@kelman727

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was whisky in the original story, which after all takes place off the coast of Scotland?

@RedBlitzen

Жыл бұрын

It might be more appropriate to say that the last remnant of the past, who works to shape the future, sits across from the last symbol of the present, who knows what the future will be anyway. They both have remnants of the past in them, the difference is what parts they chose to pay attention to, and what they chose to take with them into the next day.

@limcw6092

9 ай бұрын

It was one my favourite parts, even if it lasted for half a minute.

The last clock tick is a very powerful and symbolical thing in the whole context of Warhammer lore. It truly was the beginning of the end as Uriah said. The Emperor lies mostly dead, his vision for humanity broken and twisted beyond recognition. His Empire turning its back to all he believed in and fractured by his own sons. His very being clinging to life after his beloved son struck him. And the most ironic thing? The only thing uniting humanity, the only thing that pushes them forward. Is their zealous and wholehearted belief in their god, the God-Emperor of Mankind. How very poetic this whole story was.

@jsbfkdls

2 жыл бұрын

I am not very knowledgable in this stuff at all. But isn't the fact that he removed all religion the thing that saved them in the end? I mean without all the people worshipping the Emperor, wouldnt he lose all his powers and humanity doomed to be destroyed? What if everyone went to pray for their own gods instead of the emperor, they would all be dead by now? Idk but maybe his death was all part of his big schekel scheme and by removing all religion he secured humanities safety even after his "death". Maybe he did all that because he knew his death was unavoidable and had to come up with a solution that would keep humanity alive. Either everyone overlooked this or i am missed something important. I've read lots of comments that said he made a mistake and all that.

@DeathTheManiac

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsbfkdls Emperor is just a mortal in a very loose sense. He is just a really fucking powerful psyker and has been that powerful from the start. He doesn't get any power from worship and it is literally useless to him in his current state. Worship plays a small part in empowering the gods and it is mostly emotions that does the big work. If interpret the "1000 sacrifices a day" thing. I think it's just their soul or something of similar nature being turned into power by the Golden Throne to give him a pick-me-up to keep the Astronomican running. Maybe he always knew his death was inevitable but I don't think he envisioned it happening so soon and at the hands of Horus. Emperor always wanted to create a civilization that thought with reason and logic and not with faith and religion. Maybe he thought that that was the best way to go but maybe he also thought that that way humans wouldn't be susceptible to Chaos' influence since they wouldn't believe in gods. Thus, if he removes religion and faith, humans would be sort-of immune to temptations of the Chaos as they would think logically and not with emotions and faith. You're right that destroying religion and faith saved them when the Emperor was alive. But it also doomed them when they started to worship him as a god. And we don't really know if removing religion was actually the best way to go, it's just speculation. As they have retconned how Warp works. It is now quite possible that the Emperor will become a Chaos God as previously it was just emotions that affected the warp, but now worship also plays a part in its workings. So when the Emperor dies, the worship of his being would logically create a Chaos God from that, and we don't know how that one would turn out.

@gustavoritter7321

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeathTheManiac Well the Emperor shows clear signs of existential exhaustion, especially in his more recent dealing with Guilliman. The only reason why he hasn't let himself go yet is because of how vital the Astronomican is to Humanity's galactic civilization and also because without the little bit of recurring guidance that he is able to give once in a while, the idiots of the Inquisition and the unworthy Highborns would turn the Imperium into an even bigger shit than it already is. With Guilliman around he seems to have gotten back some of his will to keep fighting but I am sure he is very disappointed at how things turned out.

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615

2 жыл бұрын

In the actual book, the watch was a grand clock and it was one of the myriad of relics that was kept in the church. It was foretold that the "doomsday clock' signaled the ultimate doom of mankind but luckily it has stopped working and people came to believe that it meant that mankind's downfall was also stopped. It started working again when the last church was burned down.

@imtoogoodatpvp1252

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeathTheManiac I think recent lore has made it very clear that the Emperor is a God and that Guilliman is soon to follow, he was a very powerful psyker and a human in the past, he is no longer the Emperor of 10000 years ago, he is divine.

If someone would ever do a TV show about Horus Heresy the "Last Church" would be awesome pilot episode. As the Emperor stares into the remains, we see a closeup of his face, from there it jumps into the triumph on Ullanor and naming Horus a Warmaster.

@kellymccormack8346

Жыл бұрын

The Inquisition approves of this.

@michaelolmos8257

Жыл бұрын

a hell of a bitchin' way to kick off the grimdark train 😎🤘🍻

@Mutiny960

Жыл бұрын

Can't do it. Why? Because of religious idiots IRL. You can't make a show that makes people think about the arguments of "both sides" and realize neither are perfect, and maybe even both evil. It's in the interest of those in power to keep the populace as simple-minded apes.

@FruscianteJonu

Жыл бұрын

normal, nunca idolatre pessoas.

@jaha9329

10 ай бұрын

No, it wouldn't. Unless Horus Heresy would be philosophical in nature, the Last Church would be horrible as a stage setting episode for the series. I would see it rather as an extra bonus episode or something like this.

Using Uriah as an iterator would have been a hilarious waste of talent, Uriah had a capability few others possess, the ability to see through the glamour of the Emperor, and would have been the single most valuable advisor the Emperor could have possessed. Reading through the Horus Heresy it seems clear that the Emperor completely lacked anyone who could point out flaws or mistakes in his plans, think to situations like the rescue of Angron, the sealing of the Vaults of Moravec, or the gift that never stops giving at Monarchia. The Emperor desperately needed someone who could actually disagree, which fundamentally none of his servants, not even Malcador seemed up to that task. Alas what could have been.

@alexyoblick

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I could see Uriah filling a role almost identical to Malcador but mainly focused on things like faith and morals while Malcador dedicates his time towards science, psychic matters, and beuracracy.

@kellymccormack8346

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine Malcador and Uriah arguing over how to run the Imperium while the Emperor just stares in annoyance.

@namishusband818

Жыл бұрын

Uriah could have fixed the Lorgar situation.

@TheNapster153

Жыл бұрын

@@namishusband818 He may also end up making it worse which is a given. However, I can agree under the assumption that the Emperor keeps close tabs on the two.

@lakeegg1331

Жыл бұрын

The reality is uriah represents the fragility of man. The emperor's perspective is one of supreme strength, so reason comes easily as a costless luxury. But the average man has nothing of the sort. Only faith remains when reason dictates all hope is lost. Faith is also not strictly a belief in God, but belief itself. And in many cases of our mortal lives, all we have is faith in ourselves when all we know is telling us that we will not make it etc.

When the Emperor put a cloak on Uriah to keep him warm and dry, I honestly teared up a little.

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, when I first heard that in the audio book, I thought that finally, Uriah will concede his argument, realize that his God was Big E, but that heart warming scene fell apart quite quickly...

@benedictcumberbatch4275

2 жыл бұрын

Thought it was a thunder warrior. Notice the hand armor.

@nicholasaudy6064

2 жыл бұрын

@@benedictcumberbatch4275 No way the Thunder Warriors have enough braincells to give Uriah any compassion

@GiRR007

Жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary Heart warming i see what you did there XD

Emperor: The supernatural does not exist, and its belief is a curse... Chaos Gods: Isn't he adorable...

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

:D

@EVER_PRINCE

2 жыл бұрын

And I took that personally

@gooddaytoyou5256

2 жыл бұрын

Welp, there is really nothing supernatural about them

@marianofernandez6470

2 жыл бұрын

"You literally worship nothing." Erda to Erebus, Siege of Terra.

@Igarappappa

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is he KNOWS they exist but hopes that by stamping out any form of worship he can starve them into non-existence. He never seemed to realize that you don't need to actively acknowledge them to give them power as they are powered by all sentient emotion. They're fed just by sapient life existing.

the moment the Emperor turns into his true self in front of the priest...my God, it sents shivers down the spine. Tremedous work!

@Damazuss

2 жыл бұрын

It is a true God

@disguisedgiani1889

Жыл бұрын

Excuse me, your what lol?

@the_kimchi_kommandant2603

Жыл бұрын

@@disguisedgiani1889 Got a problem mate?

@EmptyMan000

8 ай бұрын

@@the_kimchi_kommandant2603 No, but the Emperor would take issue with being called a God.

@the_kimchi_kommandant2603

8 ай бұрын

@@EmptyMan000 Bruh OP was saying "my God" as a phrase of expression not literally referring to the Emperor as a god

For. The. Fans. This was amazing. The voice acting was brilliant and the ending made me tear up. The fact that GW is trying to tear this down is harrowing.

You know, the last part makes me think of the Custodians. They saw the closest humanity was to reaching the Dream. Then they saw it all burn to the ground. They saw the brink, and before they touched it, they lost everything. The one man they cared for, The one dream they followed. They lost everything. It all burned as they reached for it.

@Auctorian

3 жыл бұрын

It was this failure that caused them to withdraw into the palace for 10,000 years. In doing so, they allowed the Imperium to fester and stagnate. A storied history of victory after victory, compounded with two terrible decisions based on grief. It is good to see the 10,000 march again.

@alek7998

3 жыл бұрын

@@Auctorian Indeed. But to be fair, they were pretty much ordered to. They moved as much as they could without being noticed

And now, the Imperial "Truth" is "Best Left Forgotten" and Faith once more provides Hope in the Darkest of Times. I hope Uriah is chuckling somewhere, trying his hardest not to say "I told you" to a very frustrated Emps.

@alek7998

3 жыл бұрын

I would see Uriah crying. He believed in the Emperor's dream, and in humanity

@voodooozo3755

3 жыл бұрын

Uriah is actually chilling in the warp. Half laughing and being half sad about emperor. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYx7uphtiMm5m7g.html

@alek7998

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodooozo3755 Yeah I saw that. I really don't like that they did that to his character, but at the same time, grimdark

@voodooozo3755

3 жыл бұрын

@@alek7998 I like it tbh. He had some good arguments, Empehra just didnt let him speak.

@alek7998

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodooozo3755 I don't doubt that, it's just his character really didn't fit joining chaos I mean choas

Somebody said it, " When God's clash galaxies burn." Was foreshadowing. It really made me think of Horus saying, "let the Galaxy burn"! Uriah's wisdom was far beyond the emperor's knowledge in this entire interaction. If only he had listened to him he wouldn't be on the brink of death with an imperium that begun to praise him against his wishes...

@Mutiny960

Жыл бұрын

"Against his wishes" hahaha. That's funny. Remember how Slaanesh happened? I truly think that is what the Emperor intends to happen to himself. Uriah saw it coming, and so did the Emperor. When you deny people something they want it more. Every person who give 2 seconds of thought about teenagers knows that. Much less an immortal being that's been around for millenia.

@sunnysonne2957

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention he is psychic as well. The plan is for him to become a Warp-God and lead humanity into an age of Light forever

Whoever played the Emperor has an awesome voice.

@scootergrant8683

6 ай бұрын

Sounds partly like one of the voiceovers for Simple History

@DragonlordSVS

5 ай бұрын

@@scootergrant8683 To me it sounds kind of like the dude from the Darkest Dungeon. Likely mostly the bass voice and "slow and methodical" manner of speech.

I have a headcanon, When Uriah last looks at the clock, he smiles. It does not tick forward until well after he dies. He is hopeful for humanity's path under the Emperor, until his last breath, he is certain that humanity will live. But in the Grim Darkness of the 30th Millenium, there can be no hope. And then, the clock ticks.

@carissamace

3 жыл бұрын

Ah nice.

@evanbasham4875

3 жыл бұрын

That reminds me of Artellus Numeon. He was Vulkans equerry and commander of the Pyre Guard. He ferried Vulkans body back to Nocturne after Vulkan was stabbed by John Grammticus. After Vulkan and Artellus arrived on Nocturne, Artellus received a vision in the night. The vision showed a recovered and lively Vulkan striding across the Nocturnian sands. Artellus sacrificed himself to the scorching lava of Mount Deathfire, which, despite all odds and logic, succeeded in revivifying Vulkan. Artellus never saw his Primarch march from the mouth of the largest Volcanoe on Nocturne, but his purely faith-based sacrifice arguably saved the Imperium.

@youtubeviewer5198

3 жыл бұрын

Headcannon: Apocalypse was the Emperor in disguise

@a.j.4076

3 жыл бұрын

Hm interesting... so you say that if Uriah had lived, maybe the clock wouldn't tick and therefore, the future wouldn't have rolled into the grim dark?

@alek7998

3 жыл бұрын

@@a.j.4076 Perhaps

The clock tiks and we cut to a tts episode with the Emperor being a raging paraplegic.

@xaviercaldero8631

2 жыл бұрын

MY TO DO LIST FOR WHEN I GET OFF THIS OVERGLORIFIED COUCH 1. SCRATCH MY EVERYTHING 2. PUNCH EVERYONE IN THE FACE 3. PLAY BATTLEMACE 42 MILLION

@LordSniggles

2 жыл бұрын

Tts did an episode about this book, and it's freaking great.

@Reignor99

2 жыл бұрын

This comment hits different now.....

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

I feel this...

@masterpdo1484

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reignor99 I know, and it hurts

If they ever make Warhammer 40k animated series, the Last Church should be first episode. This animated tale is outstanding! Voice acting, art, sound... All perfect!

Jesus, just something about that priest going back into the church made me start tearing up. Made me consider my own faith and stuff that was told to me when I was a kid. It's hard to know if being that devout is a good thing, but at least he was at peace with himself.

@idiotgaming6376

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing is good or wrong with faith if you believe in it you usually are blinded by it to the point you cannot accept another faith as History has shown us if you discard faith more often then not hope dies with it for what is the purpose if nothing will happen afterwards and you cannot see what can happen both options lead down the same path that no one can see the truth one blinds reality and acceptance the other blinds hope and the good in the world even only a little neither side allows us to see the truth that's the truth of the mind it traps itself using it's own logic but it would be pointless if we weren't blind if we could understand all awnsers the world would stagnate religion pushing forward our morals either by outdated morals or setting corner stones while sceptics challenge the understanding and find out more with only one there would be no conflict of ideas to push it forward I hope that makes your consideration easier or just take it as a fool babbling nonsense he read off a milk carton

@pdcsky

2 жыл бұрын

I found myself tearing up as well, the way I saw it is that last scene is the end of religion, the last church. No more prayers on the planet, no more priests. All of our machinations, history and years of religious culture through writings and teachings all to end up in the frame of an 80 year old man. He is the last one...and then he is gone. No more...

@idiotgaming6376

2 жыл бұрын

@@pdcsky *mechanist* hold my toaster

@thunderball11111

Жыл бұрын

I didn't see it as an act of devotion, I thought he had given up his his faith in God but still prefered to believe in the good of humanity than in the vision of the emperor.

@jsummerby6089

Жыл бұрын

You mean god emperor. Jesus has no place here. Sort of. Actually he fits in rather well.

Even as someone who's not religious, I note that the Emperor never fully addressed Uriah's point that plenty of secular governments have found their own justifications to go to war. Often by contriving some outrage to blame on their enemies, or convincing their people that the conquest will ultimately be beneficial for their victims.

@thebighurt2495

2 жыл бұрын

People will kill for a man, for money or for their country just as earnestly as they would for God.

@darthlazurus4382

2 жыл бұрын

Greed is the true leader of evil in humanity. Religion, ideology, nationalism, culture? All the dressing to mask that someone wants.

@nickchavez720

2 жыл бұрын

Looking back at world history over wars of "religion", when you really read about what lead to the wars...religion was really just the tio of the ice berg. So many other things promted them to war...that if it was really just about religious differnces...they probably never would have gone to war at all.

@dragonslair951167

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickchavez720 I think that in a lot of cases, the leadership of a nation would go to war for largely political reasons, but they used religion as a pretext to inspire the masses to fight.

@thehermeticgamer3736

2 жыл бұрын

You're barely scratching the surface of how hilariously bad the Emperor is in this debate. As a secularist myself I find it a bit cringe-worthy. He is just as dogmatic and autocratic as any of the religious authorities he criticises and he fails to actually provide any empirical distinction between them and himself. The crowning irony is that, in the end, he just expects Uriah to have faith in the nobility of his dream. Throughout the entire debate he grants his own argument a-priori by using one of the most hackneyed of fallacious appeals to un-logic (ironically, one beloved of religious apologists debating secularists!) which boils down to, "If I can knock enough holes in what you believe, it must follow that what I believe is right," Big E claims to be a proponent of reason and science, but also doesn't think people will embrace it unless he literally destroys the competition (astonishing cognitive dissonance!) and in the end Uriah proves that sincere faith is entirely self-sustaining and will never truly be destroyed. Big E should have re-thought his plans the moment that guy started walking into the burning church.

it's absolutely amazing that they found a voice actor that could voice so perfectly the Emprah... And, btw, the voice actor playing the priest is stellar too !

@Bishpo

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks my friend, it's crazy seeing how much this blew up from such a humble little project, brings a smile to my damned face.

@CrizzyEyes

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the voice acting was truly impressive and really made the whole thing memorable. It could probably have been a radio drama or audiobook and still be excellent.

@ac.4ce442

2 жыл бұрын

The audible audio book did a pretty good job too. This is stellar too

I feel like if the emperor just listened, a lot of the horror would have been avoided.

@randomcenturion7264

Жыл бұрын

Story of his life.

@sebastijanglozinic8630

9 ай бұрын

Or humanity would have been consumed by the dark gods sooner. How many religions do you think Tzeentch could subvert into worshipping him? How many pious men do you think Slaanesh could seduce with promisses of every desire they denied themselves? So long as humanity has a connection to the Warp, the dark gods would have inevitably found a way to corrupt it. The only way to save humanity from the influence of the dark gods was to cut it off from the Warp completely. And that is exactly what the Emperor was trying to do with his webway project. Until Horus screwed it all up.

@darthjekyll3648

9 ай бұрын

And he crusade through the time.

@TheNapster153

9 ай бұрын

Story of humanity really It's us always having to be reminded of something, in someway. Often, in an unsavoury form

This is probably my favorite 40K story. I love that it's Canon that in the grim darkness of the far future, it is not the terrible, booming cannons, or crackling, monstrous power blades that turn aside the designs of demonic forces, but faith, pure true faith, that sends the horrors of the Warp screaming back to the void.

@TheGoodLuc

11 ай бұрын

And just because we humans are often monstrously evil, doesn't mean we aren't capable for great good

@ieatmice751

11 ай бұрын

You’ve completely missed the point of the story lmao Faith is what allows things like the chaos gods to prosper and grind away at humanity. Faith only serves to prop up an authoritarian regime that holds untold trillions in bondage and slavery. Soldiers fighting for a false truth and a decaying imperium that is not worth dying for. The imperium of man is tragedy, a failed attempt by a flawed visionary to bring humanity to a state of godhood but ultimately resulting in his message being twisted by cruel and callous men to enslave humanity and prolong the collapse of their corrupt system. Blind faith sends billions to their deaths for no other purpose than to hold the line against a cold and pitiless universe. The emperor is not a god despite what people would like to believe, he has no power to alter the fate of men.

@imtired9395

11 ай бұрын

@@ieatmice751 This is fedora-tipping heretical propaganda. In the Heresy the first daemon we ever see is a pink horror who tries to murder Euphrate Keeler, and is shown to be immune to most forms of damage, until she bears the symbol of the Imperial Faith in its face and the pure holy light of the icon sends it back to the realm of Tzeentch. It is atheistic ignorance that sets the stage for the heresy by allowing Lorgar to embrace the lie of chaos from Erebus and Kor Phaeron. The Emperor's "Imperial Truth" was a bold-faced lie and he knew it was, he intentionally lied to his entire race when he had to have known that faith in a GOOD God can counter faith in a false one. Simple disbelief cannot work, because the Chaos worshipper can silence your screeches of "DEBATE ME" by calling Kabanda to eat your soul.

@TheGoodLuc

11 ай бұрын

@@ieatmice751 He has now, because of the Warp.

@lordgod9958

6 ай бұрын

​@ieatmice751 you could turn around and argue that even if Big E is truly helpless(which even pre rift wasn't entirely true though admittedly his interventions were very indirect at best) people are willing to believe in him and through that faith perform acts of heroism in defiance of the inevitable rotting end of the imperium.

And yet for all his intelligence, he never imagined that his sons might have visions of their own for the galaxy...

@thebighurt2495

3 жыл бұрын

Just another piece of his misunderstanding Humanity and overestimating his level of control over them.

@bornwithnoname2670

2 жыл бұрын

youre assuming the emperor didnt know half his primarchs would go rogue. no one knows the deal he made and then reneged on with chaos. its possible events are unfolding exactly as the emperor intended.

@Arnazisti

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it's known that the emperor knew half of his son's would turn to Chaos, that's why he never gave a fuck for Angron, for example. Some, like Fulgrim were unexpected and tragic

@Atli-Eiriksson

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't that's what is so human at the core of the lore of the Emperor and the Imperium at large. The Emperor wasn't infallible because despite being immensely powerful, Intelligent and charismatic the Emperor is still just a man. But it is exactly because of the legendary way his deeds and story is viewed and told he became viewed as a god. He loved all of his sons but as I would imagine any parent who has a dozen of children... sadly not all are attended to, guided and supported equally. And it was for no misunderstanding of the human experience or condition that he became viewed as a god... this was already happening during the Great crusade. He understood that uprooting our tendency for superstition would take generations. It was only with his placement upon the golden throne that yet again as he spoke of in this beautiful work it was the opportunistic greed mongers who bestowed upon him the title of god for their own ends. The Emperor powerless to intervene physically at that point. No he has not reluctantly agreed that he must become the very thing that divides us most. He is a paraplegic and psychic projections and farting warp storms can only do so much to convince anyone otherwise.

@NorthernNorthdude91749

2 жыл бұрын

@@bornwithnoname2670 They're not. The Emperor doesn't know everything.

The Last Church is a great primer for the Hourus Heresy. It tells the story of humanity during long night, it outlines the core philosophical undertones the whole series, and it ultimately will tell you how it is going to end with Uriah warning the Emperor what to avoid. And despite the Emperor taking his advice, through that warning will spell the downfall of the Imperium. Also it’s a little funny that Graham McNeil effectively makes Uriah’s watch a warp echo that sounds whenever his prophesy comes to pass.

@highfivedog2336

2 жыл бұрын

Wait his watch is a warp echo?

@therogueadmiral

2 жыл бұрын

What's a warp echo

@MNM-lq9te

2 жыл бұрын

@@highfivedog2336 he stated that the minutt pointer would add one minutt whenever a tragedy or disaster would strike so when his family was killed, the watch would tick one minutt same happened when uriah died in the church the clock ticked.

@n8zog584

2 жыл бұрын

@Perrin Besch the emperor is the best antichrist I've ever seen. He is right in many respects but so flawed in many others. The logical falicies are something to behold

@darthjekyll3648

Жыл бұрын

@@therogueadmiral like a force echo.

The real tragedy here is that both of them were right in their own way. But neither could bend, even a little. And thus, two men who may have been friends were forced into conflict. One died for his beliefs. And the other turned to the very things that he warned against.

Probably the best movie I have ever watched in a long time, it reminds me of when I was a little kid and watched some amazing movie with my father late at night. Eventually the movie ends, the popcorn eaten, and everybody is asleep, but the feeling of adventure, intrigue and exalted emotions remains.

you cannot erase ones hard work, work that is beloved by many.

@voodooozo3755

3 жыл бұрын

I didnt expect you here

@Chadegon1693

3 жыл бұрын

So what about the author of the story?

@HellishSpoon

Жыл бұрын

​@@Chadegon1693 sadly the author is not the focus of the story

@Chadegon1693

Жыл бұрын

@@HellishSpoon no but the author is the base of the story in the first place. Didnt get referenced at all

What is so great about The Last Church? Even people who know nothing of the universe can still appreciate this fine work. Hell, even my mother did, both the audiobook and movie.

@richardshiflett5181

2 жыл бұрын

Because it's glorious seeing ignorant religion finally being purged from humanity.

@jacklaurentius6130

2 жыл бұрын

Richard Shiflett 𝐛𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐚𝐥 𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐬𝐭 “𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐞”

@irishspartanstudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardshiflett5181 Agreed, but a utopian theocracy is better than the technological dystopia mankind became.

@irishspartanstudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacklaurentius6130 My intention was not to invoke a religious debate. And I agree, better to have a theocratic utopia than a technological dystopia.

@JM-mg4el

2 жыл бұрын

It's more than simply a Warhammer story, it's simply a well written, almost Platon like, dialogue between two opposing view points

I've probably watched this over 25 times at this point. True masterpiece.

This was always my favorite and most chilling bit of 40K lore. The irony of the Emperor's "love" for humanity is the very hubris that dooms him to millennia of hellish suffering, as he deserves. What's missing from this is the nature of faith, which is humility, and also happens to be the first step of wisdom. The absence of Godliness is telling. This was an incredible story, very foreboding, forlorn and full of pathos. Great work animating this. You really breathed life into an already vibrant tale.

@enkidu9298

2 жыл бұрын

The Emperor was benevolent, and wanted the best for mankind, even if he made errors.

@alynthequestseeker3017

Жыл бұрын

​@@enkidu9298 The emperor is a arrogant dictator who wishes humanity to be run as an efficient machine, with no consideration for the human soul

@enkidu9298

Жыл бұрын

@@alynthequestseeker3017 There is no more inconceivably-utopian or benevolent a fictional ruler than the Emperor of Mankind.

@enkidu9298

Жыл бұрын

He is literally a Mary Sue angel in power armor.

@jonharrison9222

11 ай бұрын

@@alynthequestseeker3017 Have a long hard look at his opponents.

Has everyone not noticed how the Emperor was the "God" Uriah witnessed on the battlefield. For the Emperor "it was Tuesday".

@derkturtle7191

2 жыл бұрын

i knew once i saw him on the battlefield in the flash back because i looked at what he was wearing so i already knew i just didn't know it was the guy he was talking to

@kapitan19969838

2 жыл бұрын

All the more evidence that The Emperor is truly God, even if He himself refuses to believe it

@christopherbravo1813

2 жыл бұрын

@@kapitan19969838 I wouldn't be surprised if upon ascending from the Golden Throne, the Emperor becomes disgusted with his Imperium and sees just how far his "children" have fallen in his absence, with his disgust only growing as he looks upon the rest of reality. and thus obliterates EVERYTHING-the universe, it's inhabitants, the chaos, and quite possibly the Warp too-only to then create a completely new universe, one where humans are the only sentient inhabitants, and Earth is the only planet with any true life on it, and that after this the one who was once known as Emperor accepts his position as God. tldr; my personal headcanon is that at the end of the Warhammer continuity the Emperor becomes Yahweh

@TheArklyte

2 жыл бұрын

@@kapitan19969838 the point of Emperor's belief is that he is JUST a human. He had seen people with unbelievably enhanced minds in DAoT times, he had battle other Alpha Plus psykers, he had met many other Perpetuals. His goal is to uplift ALL humans to the same abilities he has. Because he had seen that future and that it is possible.

@kapitan19969838

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherbravo1813 I would positively lose my mind if that were to happen 🙂

I want to believe that Uriah is somewhere in the Warp facepalming and being all like "I tried to warn you friend Apocalypses"

@ixisnyx6860

3 жыл бұрын

From what I hear he's somewhere in the warp as a highly venerated priest to chaos undivided.

@richardshiflett5181

2 жыл бұрын

Uriah isn't in the warp. He's nowhere as there is no afterlife as religion is a lie.

@jacklaurentius6130

2 жыл бұрын

Richard Shiflett atheist lies and delusion to claim what they never experienced

@trollking6315

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacklaurentius6130 You could say the same for theists. Using books of myths and fables written by men, to justify atrocities committed and actions taken, also using deception and delusion to on top of that benefit financially from it. Or do I need to remind you of "priests" like Joel Olsteen, who turned away the poor and hungry and needy so they wouldn't track mud on his carpet? Yet still take millions in donations from the poor, even though greed is considered again, by his God, a sin, a cardinal one at that? I am indigenous, do I need to remind you of the horrors committed upon my people and ancestors by white Christians, cultural and actual genocide dictated by a God who's own commandments say not to kill? KZread doesn't delete your comments, you just make poor ones friend. I would debate you further on this, as I genuinely love a good debate, but I am tired, and I am only to assume that your type isn't worth arguing with. Just note that notifications are off, I wont get a reply from you, nor will I bother to read it. Be well, be better.

@blackhawktalon9971

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardshiflett5181 but this is 40k, 30k? So there is an afterlife, eternal suffering or eternal chaos for death or being erased entirely at some point after death due to the warp so, legitimately the worst place to exist in.

"When gods clash, galaxies burn" "So let it be war, from the skies of Terra to the Galactic Rim. Let the seas boil, let the stars fall. Though it takes the last drop of my blood, I will see the galaxy freed once more. And if I cannot save it from your failure, Father, then let the galaxy BURN!" -Horus Lupercal

41st millenium -Uriah: This is kinda ironic... Don't you agree, friend Apocalypses?

why has almost every fan made thing made me extremely excited or emotionally moved?

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Because they still have SOUL behind their work. Not just a thirst for 💰💰💰

@adamlong2315

2 жыл бұрын

We are talking about one of the most loyal and devoted fan bases out there so it's speaks for it's self GW is a business so they wish to money only the fans have love for it that friend is the difference.

@saeeddali3145

2 жыл бұрын

Because its a labor of love , that will trump any souless work a company can make.

@NameName2.0

2 жыл бұрын

Because fans care about the product, more than the creators.

@High_Lord_Of_Terra

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary its only half fan made. The writing is the important thing and that's official.

Let it be known to all, that a mere man, in his humble nature, had more farsight than a God in his hubris.

@darthjekyll3648

2 жыл бұрын

Don't think that believing makes things real. Orks: wat diz git gotz ta say.

@ieatmice751

11 ай бұрын

He was still wrong ultimately, his god did not exist and he had based his life on ignorance and superstition

@tomizatko3138

4 ай бұрын

@@ieatmice751True

This right here, is why I love 40k. I can't think of anywhere else I can find people who pour so much love and effort into such amazing works.

I am currently writing an alternate timeline with Warhammer 40k, where the Emperor decided to take Uriah's words to heart and keeps the book and the stone from the church as a set of mementos and builds his throne using the stone as a base for it and keeps the book at his side at all times; re-writing it and taking the lessons that he takes from the book and crafts a book of his own. Using science and combining it with the tenets of religion; the new Imperial Truth dictates that the Emperor is indeed a god-like being, and to be like him and earn a place at his side, you are to pursue kindness, knowledge and having faith in the goodwill of humanity is the true path to enlightenment. The Emperor would become more understanding and caring and more human than he ever was before. The last church would still burn but The Emperor would ask Uriah to teach him more and help him understand more about why faith is such a pivotal part of the human experience; and when Uriah dies, The Emperor would bury his friend beneath his Golden throne and construct the Imperial palace upon the peaks of Mt Everest. Because of this understanding, when he would go to search for and bring home his sons, he would impart what he learned onto his children. He would teach Lorgar how faith should be used and how to properly turn a populace in favor of the new religion without the need for violence and all-out war. He would have faith in his son Konrad and help him interpret his visions. He would help Angron by teaching him to control his temper and encouraging his son to let the pain flow through and subside, while Malcador and The Emperor try to cure his son. He would bring Mortarion's adoptive father down from the mountain and have faith that his son will prevail in his duel. He would have Peterabo be the one to construct the Imperial palace and put his faith in his son's abilities. The Emperor will appoint Guilliman as the warmaster, and place Horus as Robute's right-hand. And thus, the Imperium of Man will reach a golden age and be at its full might and prepared for a galaxy at war.

@CodexQuinn

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a full writing of the scenario? I'd love to read it, as I'm sure many others.

@dungeonlessdm6914

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodexQuinn Not yet; but it's a work in progress. My original design is an imperium that welcomed the tampering with and reverse engineering of xenos tech; but then it evolved from there into something a fair bit larger and something that won't be done in quite a while.

@CodexQuinn

2 жыл бұрын

@@dungeonlessdm6914 as a toaster boi myself, I have a feeling the Mechanicum might take offense to that. Unless they had the “xeno tech bad” taken out of them, then I’d understand. Edit: regardless, I’d love to give it a read whenever you happen to finish it. Sounds interesting, and I’ve always loved alt history in fiction.

@smily9021

2 жыл бұрын

I.. This sounds beautiful. I also would like to veiw this when your done with it!

@fabianvidrio370

2 жыл бұрын

Is it on fanfiction? If it is can you put a link in the comments?

"Come. We have a galaxy to conquer" Kills the shit outta all the thunder warriors before leaving earth. Lol

@davidmeier1475

3 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or is this part mute? After the emperor looked upon the ruins, the sound just vanished🤔

@vksasdgaming9472

2 жыл бұрын

Every dictator destroys tools of his previous conquest. Thunder Warriors were just latest on long list of betrayals he had done.

@chiffmonkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@vksasdgaming9472 The Emperor is a pure utilitarian, he's just like the Tau.

@vksasdgaming9472

2 жыл бұрын

@@chiffmonkey Tau at least have managed to create attractive ideology and favor co-operation in their politics. Of course this being 40k, most GRIMDARK setting ever it means "surrender and obey or die" instead of Imperium's "surrender and die".

@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290

2 жыл бұрын

@@vksasdgaming9472 Did you just call the greater good an attractive ideology? It's an incredible dangerous ideology, which basically allows the Tau to do what ever they want, because the ends justify the means. It's no better than the imperium. They're just less powerful.

The Emperor: "Imma Atheist gonna get rid of all Religious Extremism and Crusades." Also The Emperor: *Get's worshipped as the God-Emperor of all Humanity and causes mass Genocide.

@kristianferencik8685

3 жыл бұрын

@Sam Ryan he also gave himself a halo and drove around in a giant cathedral. He also slain a giant dragon made of pure energy. Say what you want about his intentions, his methods were no better than those he criticised, such as killing trillions for his "noble" cause.

@kristianferencik8685

3 жыл бұрын

@Sam Ryan yes he said do not treat me as a god. But that message is kind of defeated when you parade yourself like something from biblical tapestry. For instance he could have shown himself of as a guy with normal clothes but instead he shrouds himself with gold has golden eyes and has a halo around him 24/7. Its also not something that he has no control of it is shown that he does this deliberately.

@ZxMoonLightxZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristianferencik8685 that is because humanity has been so much embedded with religion that anything more greater than theirs it must be divine of some sort. If you see, the cults on Terra where almost nonexistent when the emperor was around even with all his shiny things and halos.

@kristianferencik8685

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZxMoonLightxZ yes they got replaced with the cult known as the imperium

@ZxMoonLightxZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristianferencik8685 That cult was lorgar thing and when the emperor was alive those were inexistent so yeah, no cults there.

Perhaps the saddest part of this story is that for all they argue about religion vs secularism it really boils down to being a good person versus a bad person, irregardless of their beliefs. And if half the lore of Warhammer40k is to be believed the Emperor was a complete asshole who was doomed to fail right from the start. Not because he failed to acknowledge religion, but because he failed to acknowledge the most simple kindness and human decency that would have gone so far in making the pillars of the Imperium stable

@robertfraser7943

7 ай бұрын

what good is saving humanity if it has lost its heart. People flock to the Darkness of chaos because it actually gives them a chance to be more than a disposable meat cog in the imperium. The worship of the emperor was a desperate grab for something bigger than them to aspire to be.

@TerryBradstreet

4 ай бұрын

To say nothing of how, when Warhammer 40K was first written, we already had examples of godless religion for the state in communism. In the years since, we have only more evidence that when the state monopolizes all devotion to itself, human beings become nothing more than cogs and cattle to die by the hundreds of thousands. The Emperor is superhuman, but essentially no different than any autocrat before him.

Watching this has made me realize how cool a show centered around a pre-Imperium Terra would be.

When Big E says how long it will be til a crusade is formed ,I had to laugh

Its sad that in their arrogance, by their own actions and partially by the system of human creation, GW has managed to alienate their own fans. To destroy the foundation upon which they have built their success will be their undoing.

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Its like EA and the idiots who pay for FIFA every single fcking year. As long as the plastic crack addicts keep throwing cash at them, they will be able to do this

@LazyLifeIFreak

3 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary Exactly, that's the core problem. A select population either unwilling or unable to see they are being exploited by an uncaring company. The football fans are not accustomed to the rather savage and exploitive treatment of EA, thus they simply assume it is the norm, rather than the exception. Its infuriating from a seasoned gamers perspective.

@kingfisher1638

3 жыл бұрын

The stupid irony is the GW basically ripped off all popular sci-fi from the 60s-90s. That they are litigious bastards is the height of hypocrisy.

@hellgeist_

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingfisher1638 With the one exception of Rick Priestly, who gave us Chaos.

@scoticvsgossage9378

3 жыл бұрын

@@hellgeist_ Wall of text incoming. This is not an angry rant, want to make that clear. Just a clarification. The concept of beings known as "Chaos Gods" have been a thing in fantasy fiction since the work of Michael Moorcock, the creator of Elric of Melnibone in 1961. Dark Elves in fantasy being a race bent on torture and decadence? Literally ripped from Moorcock's work. The Dark Elves and Eldar are Melnibonean's in all but name. The multiverse as a literary tool to enable thousands of plotlines, characters, and stories to converge as one? Moorcock with his creation of The Eternal Champion. And Chaos Gods? Elric, his first major character serves Arioch, a demon lord, and shouts as he slays with his demonic runeblade Stormbringer: "Blood and Souls for my Lord Arioch!" Sound familiar? "Blood for the Blood God" Warhammer is the literary melting pot of every cool idea from fantasy and science fiction crammed into two universes. Space Marines with Power Armor? Robert E. Heinlein with the original story of Starship Troopers. Sigmar? He's basically Conan the Barbarian if Conan were Proto German instead of Proto Celt. Elric himself was made to be the exact opposite of Conan as a joke XD He's a lithe elven like albino who is physically weak and a sorcerer, everything that Conan is not. The High Elves of Warhammer Fantasy? Atlantian's mixed with Greek and Celtic folklore. I love Warhammer with all my heart, but it never had an original base to start from, its only through exploring this cavalcade of ideas that they developed the characters we love like Gotrek Gurnisson, or Commissar Gaunt. I'm happy it's spun off into mostly its own thing, but to forget its roots is to do a great disservice to the writers that came before it.

I love the implications that the church was partially inspired by the Emperor's defeat of the Void Dragon. The Void Dragon who had the ability to create almost invincible warriors who could channel lightning into their foes. Lightening, like the holy man witnessed at the location of what appears to be the tip of a Necron pylon.

@ANDELE3025

4 ай бұрын

Void Dragon was never on Earth. The Dragon of Mars was fought in the first millennium. Shards were on lockdown since end of War in Heaven to Silent Kings return (aka 30k). Even the Chicxulub impact theory doesnt work because he was initially fully locked down in a vault which would imply Necrons overthrew ctan at the start of the war, instead of after space frogs got defeated.

If you listen closely as Uriah talks of the end of the battle of Gaduarey you can hear the faint chants of Zulu warriors used as the chants of the Thunderwarriors.

This is the 3rd reupload, so everyone download it NOW!

@aceriverpirate9795

3 жыл бұрын

Done and done.

@lionheartgoodfellow3770

3 жыл бұрын

How can i Download it?

@aceriverpirate9795

3 жыл бұрын

@@lionheartgoodfellow3770 you need KZread Premium or go off of a "free trial". Either way, I hate corporate a-holes including KZread.

@lionheartgoodfellow3770

3 жыл бұрын

@@aceriverpirate9795 ok, i don't think i can afford that atm, but thanks anyway! 👍

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Go to Y2MATE and active your adblock FFS copy the YT link of this video and download it from there

The final line is missing and thus changes the whole ending: "Come. We have a galaxy to conquer."

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and I am sorry about that, YT studio is ASS and it didn't just cut out the problematic music piece (as stated in the feature) but the entire sound channel as well.

@Blackenfaul

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary Did not expect a reply, I understand. Thank you for keeping this alive.

@Blackenfaul

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary I see you added a chapter bookmark highlight, you are the best!

Oh wow they took out the last part about the old grandfather clock striking midnight. Basically what happend was Uriah father had a broken grandfather clock he believed if it ever stroke midnight, that's when the world shall end. At the last part the Emporer says "come we have a galaxy to save." As soon as he says this the burned but sturdy clock finally ticked to midnight. Foretelling the Emporer's folly an a vindication of faith against the Emporer. I can't believe they left that part out. How sad.

@tylerchadwell1267

4 ай бұрын

Isn't that what the pocket watch does? The Emperor brings it up at around the 25:00 minute mark, and it ticks to midnight at the very end. They probably changed it to a portable time piece so that the Emperor can notice it during their conversation.

The only shot this is missing is when Uriah begins to walk back into the church and one of the thunder warriors moves to stop him but the emperor waves his hand for him to stand down. It’s been a while since I read the short story but I’m pretty sure that happened

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct. The Emperor stops him.

@afqwa423

3 жыл бұрын

Huh, that actually humanizes the Emperor _more._ It's easy to dunk on him for being detached from humanity or for being excessively cruel, but he still quite perfectly understood Uriah's point well enough to know he couldn't change his mind and that there was no way he could give the man another lease on life to compensate for the loss of his old one.

@nicholasleon7819

3 жыл бұрын

@@afqwa423 i think the emperor is actually the most human of us all. There's been a lot of writers and fans trying to cast the emperor as this aloof or uncaring figure but I always remember what he said in this short story about how his love for humanity is absolute. He makes the tough choices because of his unfathomable love. What we perceive as cruelty is just a decision the Emperor has thought over a thousand times with his great intellect and foresight, and has decided there simply is no better way. That's how I like the envision the Emperor personally, anyway

@afqwa423

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasleon7819 Despite the religious people all coping, the Emperor is 100% right about everything. This entire thing was him winning the debate end-to-end. That's kind of the point. I wouldn't say he's more human than the rest of us. The point is that he's so powerful and intelligent that trying to argue with him is pointless. He likes Uriah and agrees with the broader point that he can't _just_ destroy religion everywhere. And that yes, he knows he is destroying a repository of knowledge. The Emperor actually likes the place enough that he wanted one last look around at human history before he had to leave it behind. He shows a lot of sentimentality throughout the story. He genuinely enjoys Uriah's company, likes all the history and art, and really was thankful for the wine he was offered. The Emperor burns the church anyway. Because he thought about all that already and decided to go ahead with the master plan anyway. It's telling the super genius that his plan has one fatal flaw in it, and the super genius going, "Yep, I know. Still gonna try."

@gorknmork9194

2 жыл бұрын

@@afqwa423 and how did that work out for him? 10,000 stuck to a golden toilet while his now deeply religious imperium is smashed constantly and millions of people die every year. Talk about coping.

“So many that even I cannot know the full measure of it. My sight is lacking, for all that I am worshiped as a deity. I cannot even protect my own people fully from the depredations of the Enemy, or even their own selves.” He snorted wryly. “Oh Uriah, if you lived you would no doubt be laughing at me. But only to keep from weeping.”

@TheNapster153

2 жыл бұрын

It's.... sad but nice to know that for all the bad blood between the two, that in their short time they knew each other, the two were definitely friends. And good friends stay with you in strife and joy

@jwisepart

Жыл бұрын

Where is this from?

@grandotaku2501

Жыл бұрын

@@jwisepart It's a short story titled "the Last Church" from a Warhammer 40K anthology novel. If you are interested the lore behind 40k is quite expansive and is covered well by channels like the amber king and luetin09 here on youtube.

The Emperor knows damn well the supernatural exists. He went to them to create his sons.

@jonharrison9222

11 ай бұрын

Did he…?

@Teixas666

3 ай бұрын

@@jonharrison9222its heavily implied that even tho the Emperor is VERY powerful, one thing he cannot do is create life based on his own template, which led ot the idea that he may have made a deal with the Chaos gods at some point ot provide him the means to do so(the implication is this is how they knew of the threat of the Primarch project and acted on it)

The worst he can do is say no. Priest: Throws himself into the flames

@CharlzInCharge93

3 күн бұрын

Underrated comment 😂

I'm just gonna say it im not very religious but for a second in this I felt what faith is like. I understand now. I love the Astartes project for all its cinematic brilliance. But this.. its art and beauty, poetry rivaled only perhaps by the great dialogs of ancient Greek philosophers and one of the most beautiful works of art I have ever had the pleasure of seeing.

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it. I myself listened to the original fan reading many years ago, but I think this visual novel style did the book justice

@Lork66

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact : there is less time difference between us and Ancient Greek philosophers in the real world, than between 40k events and this discussion between the Emperor and Uriah.

@chiffmonkey

2 жыл бұрын

The 40k setting is the best canvas for showing humanity's flaws amplified on a grand scale.

@michaelrogers4157

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I've never been religious at all really. But this fictional discussion, oddly enough, did a better job to show me what faith is than anyone who has spoken to me about it in my life. Also, this had me laughing at The Emperors own hypocrisy time and time again.

@legiohysterius4624

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelrogers4157 emporer trying to destroy uriahs lifes work. Pocket watch: im gonna ruin this man's man's whole career.

Emperor: Just because you believe something, doesn't make it true. Literally every Ork in existence: *'OLD ON NOW*

@KillTeamHungary

2 жыл бұрын

:D

@MarquisLeary34

5 ай бұрын

Old Ones: Get on my level, ape.

I love this video. I'm an atheist but I love how both atheist and religious get fair representation and how both sides have both good and bad points. The atheist debunks the religious but the religious call out the hypocrisy of atheist. What I love most of all is that even though their conversation gets heated at times they still manage to stay civil and simply talk about their differences. I know this gets bad at the end but the mature, civil and understanding conversation is what I love about this video

@unkownoflife5959

Жыл бұрын

Did you think the religious guy made any good points to notice?

@no3ironman11100

Жыл бұрын

@@unkownoflife5959 The interesting part is the story can give an impression he does not because when the old man makes a fair point, the emperor *sometimes* stays silent or says something unrelated. When the emperor makes a fair point, the old man *sometimes* goes into somewhat angered rant mode, before calming. Watch the story once over and see not through your own view and lense but from within the perspective of the debate. If you criticize to your convenience the result will seem to your convenience. It is by removing your own human element and biases that you can see the reason behind either's debate approach.

No contemporary politics, no one-sided political themed jabs intended to target a group in our world, just good 'ol fashioned 40k, with a hard-hitting philosophical joust between two characters who might as well be bros by the end of it. I figure that Uriah let the Emperor go and not the other way around. Somber ending, but what a powerful man. No wonder the Emperor wanted him to join the Crusade.

@isaac3140

Жыл бұрын

Religion isn't a part of contemporary politics?

@KingLich451

Жыл бұрын

​@@isaac3140 not for this book.

@isaac3140

Жыл бұрын

@@KingLich451 i disagree

@ethanflores6252

11 ай бұрын

@@isaac3140I think he means there’s no cheap shots across the aisle. No one-sided narrative based on modern ideals. It’s timeless because it could be applied anywhere in history due to both sides putting their best foot forward and making compelling reasoning for their points. In short, it doesn’t feel like the writer pulled a party line or just repeated the common narrative.

@jonharrison9222

11 ай бұрын

I doubt certain politicians in America would agree.

A immortal emperor that was made from humans with telepathic ability’s that is so set in his ways and views the he could not except the honest advice the last priest had given him Fast forward to the 40k time I’m pretty sure this priests words are haunting the emperor

@afqwa423

3 жыл бұрын

I actually don't think so. Despite what fans think the Emperor actually comes off very well if you actually pay attention to what he says and does. It's not that the Emperor doesn't understand human nature nor Uriah's faith. If anything he probably understands it too well, but is so superhuman and confident that none of it will change what he intends to do. The Emperor _lets_ Uriah commit suicide. Because he knows he'd never accept the Emperor's vision for humanity. He knows and understands he is "destroying a repository of knowledge." He's sentimental enough to visit the church one last time because he does care about history and art. He actually likes history and old things -- old wine. Old art. But the Emperor has to be a politician and conqueror, not a historian or a scholar. And he really does like Uriah personally. But personal feelings don't enter into his calculations. People and Uriah say you can't change human nature. Unfortunately, the Emperor still intends to try. That's why he invented the Imperial Truth as a substitute. Telling him it's futile doesn't mean anything to him. He really does have that kind of unshakeable confidence that somebody has to do _something_ about humanity's survival. And that somebody might as well be him. Calling him a tyrant won't change his mind about it. He knew the risks of what he was doing and still decided to accept them. That he failed in the end changes nothing. He was up against the Chaos gods and species extinction. Failure was always the possibility.

@dekai7992

2 жыл бұрын

@@afqwa423 That's exactly it.

@richardshiflett5181

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing a religious fanatic says has any merit.

@jacklaurentius6130

2 жыл бұрын

Richard Shiflett the priest was right and the deities of chaos killed the atheist ‘emperor’

@iknowthatyougreatlyloveyou1613

2 жыл бұрын

or whatever is left of Emperor himself

I honestly enjoy how the two discuss the manner of faith in this pre-Horus Heresy, because everything they discuss basically happens in the 41M.

@7F0X7

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe in 42M depending on who's in-universe lore you're consulting. There's several 'void centuries' of history hinted at throughout the lore.

@aetheraiuxhsjzususj800

11 ай бұрын

At 3 am

In the Bible Uriah was a general that was betrayed by king David, set up to be killed in battle because David wanted Uriah's wife; this Uriah is a soldier too, and the emperor wanted to take his faith, his "wife" too, and so this whole thing could be interpreted as a set up, the Emperor knew he would never switch and that he would die as well, innocently and honorably.

I like how they indicate that The last stand of the field of Franc actually is The oceans that turned to desert that were once surrounding the island that was Once considered to be an island of France even though that was in the Caribbean

@erwannthietart3602

9 ай бұрын

Aka this battle took place around Martinique St-Martin or Guadeloupe? Nice

@lornbaker1083

3 ай бұрын

Definitely guadalupe ​@@erwannthietart3602

@lornbaker1083

3 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@erwannthietart3602 if you take the concept of gothic imperial Being based upon a reunification of the english language and all of its other former creators types , especially latin. the concept of gaduare can be translated as guadalupe. Meaning that was not only the first place that the The great Unification crusade started but also where he killed all the thunderwarriors After he had finally finished , putting down the last resistance in the form of the empire of guadalupe Now known as gaduaria. If you ever want to know of a true soul, simply ask them. Do you rememberor what happened to the thunderwars on god to warrior

Hmm, a literal doomsday clock. Man, did the Emperor fuck up bad. I'll patiently wait for the Inquisition to knock on my door

@Zodd83

3 жыл бұрын

glad I'm not the only one who gaves that meaning to the clock. TNX

@MrZeus141

2 жыл бұрын

You really think their gonna knock?

@ieatmice751

2 жыл бұрын

The emperor didn’t fuck up, he couldn’t have predicted one of his sons would have betrayed him He created a utopia, that fell into ruin because they abandoned his ideology and became the thing he wished to rid humanity of

@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808

2 жыл бұрын

@@ieatmice751 Except that he did predict exactly that. He even tried to plan ahead for it, which usually just ended up making things even worse. I like to call these "why did you burn down Monarchia you golden dumbass" moments. Like, with most of the traitor primarchs, he could've easily prevented their fall by just not being a dick. But because he was so obsessed with the big picture, he missed those small details that would eventually cause his downfall.

Emperor: once there were some bad people that killed entire towns because of religion. Enquisitors: Hold up, wait a minute!

@MrCmon113

3 жыл бұрын

They were not bad people. They were good people believing wrong things.

@maximumeffort7096

3 жыл бұрын

Emperor: Once there were some bad people that killed entire towns because of religion. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go into space, kill untold trillions of humans and quadrillions of aliens for the simple crime of not being humans, and turn half the galaxy into a concentration work camp even before the Horus Heresy. Religion bad *tips fedora*

@legregio2

3 жыл бұрын

@@maximumeffort7096 Tipical behaviour of a totalitarian ideologist.

@therealmcgoy4968

2 жыл бұрын

That’s had me laughing. The irony. If reading real history and warhammer history I think there are obvious similarities that mankind doesn’t change and the emperor (like most) was an idealist.

@TheArklyte

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealmcgoy4968 that was the point of the book though. Uriah wasn't a theologist so he had trouble finding arguments while Emperor had no time or desire to have actual argument as he already judged the church to be destroyed years prior.

The thing I've always taken from 40k and it's inspiration Dune is that humanity needs faith to survive, but we sometimes place that faith in the wrong places. Faith in religion and in leaders can be comforting and even correct at times, but ultimately we must have faith in ourselves and each other if we are to rise above what holds us back

@TheNapster153

Жыл бұрын

Words taken right out of my mouth. For a while now, I have held onto this belief that the necessities of man are Four not Three. That being, Food, Water, Shelter and FAITH. The latter takes precedence in any environment after the former is secured even if temporary. Without faith, Man is meaningless. Man could just survive just as easily in caves and huts without needing advancement. Yet, someone at somepoint thought of himself as better and realised that he to BELIEVE he was better in order to make his world a better place. Humans are marked not just by success but by their failures to. We simply have to believe we can rise from every fall and we will!

This is just sublime on so many levels. Was watching it on a stormy night and had another show to watch after this all lined up, instead once finished I sat just listening to the wind pondering over the dialogue and philosophies contained in this absolute gem. I still can't stop thinking about it several days on hence me coming back to leave this comment as think that's the mark of a stellar piece of work.

"To lose a civilization, and however many worlds it may hold, is inevitable. To lose its knowledge, its memories, and its art is unforgivable" - Trazyn the Infinite, on the topic of the Megarachnid Xenocide [misattributed to Blood Ravens marine Alfasus, on the topic of Squats]

I think this is my favorite story to come from WH40k. No flashy battles, no powerswords flaying deamons, No grand deaths on a scale that would make the every war blush. A dialogue between two people with two very different views. Something that I love reading about. Learning about others and their views are how we learn about each other as humans with very different upbringings.

@KillTeamHungary

3 жыл бұрын

very well said

@davidmurray7336

3 жыл бұрын

@@KillTeamHungary Thank you.

This is perfect the voice actor for The Emperor was exactly how I imagined his voice to be . This is the greatest story of lore I have ever heard

Meanwhile on Mars: "THE VENTILATION SYSTEM SPEAKS TO ME! WOOOOOOOOOOO"