Hey guys I'm back! Well... to be precise I have actually been posting tons of dance videos on KZread shorts recently (be sure to check them out if you haven't already 💕), but I'm finally back with a long video! It has been ages but trust me... this story is worth the wait! Thanks to Kloot Box for sponsoring this video! Shop your KPOP subscription box at: www.klootbox.com?aff=270​ (Use Code PLOOPY678 for 5% off!) | instagram.com/klootbox Also wanted to give a shoutout to other awesome videos about Lee Gai: - Midnight Theories: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zqh3z5tmh9Cue7Q.html&ab_channel=MidnightTheories (She goes more in depth into the history of dance troupes like Setorae) - Weekly Weird Kpop: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h46I0cpqZqjXh8o.html&ab_channel=WeeklyWeirdKpop (I actually found out about this whole story thanks to this video!)

@brandoniswhoiam

Жыл бұрын

I’m ready for part 3 of the Rania/BP Rania/BLACKSWAN saga!

@Hearin424

Жыл бұрын

I’m so happy your back!!

@OriginalGrasshopper

Жыл бұрын

Welcome back Ploopy!

@Mr-pn2eh

Жыл бұрын

Meep Meep

@carwyn1763

Жыл бұрын

I am so happy to hear another story from DR Music the saga

I think the biggest villain here is the company. How long did they think they could keep passing a 30 year old as a 20 year old with sunglasses and makeup for? The whole 7 year contract they were gonna do that? They knew that eventually the jig would be up and they CERTAINLY knew that the public would tear that poor girl apart.

@SianaGearz

Жыл бұрын

They probably didn't expect the group to last 3 years. Cash in and cash out.

@therealgrimreaper68

Жыл бұрын

People don't get wrinkles at 37-38 anyways, she could pass for being younger with the right skin care routine

@Octobris

Жыл бұрын

Woman

@JustGotALife

Жыл бұрын

Biggest villain here is korean public who bashed her first group for just appearing in a dance collab with boy group. How fked up in the head they have to be to do this to someone who was just entertaining them.

@xhiwhee

Жыл бұрын

​@@therealgrimreaper68 also I think if they gave her a different hairstyle she could also look younger !! The short hair didn't suit her

I feel really bad for Lee Gai she wanted to do this to help her sick father like most ppl wouldn’t do this

@PinkSoldier2009

Жыл бұрын

@hannaazam3079 - That could’ve been also an excuse.

@TP-zm6bo

Жыл бұрын

pls it was false

@Danielle.-.

Жыл бұрын

Is she still active ?

@Danielle.-.

Жыл бұрын

@mayu 🎧 ! oh right she is 55 or something now damn

@kiwiipeachii8980

Жыл бұрын

@@TP-zm6bo You don't know taht

It's not like Lee Gai was even youthful looking for a 30 year old. They should have simply said she was 25 and ran with it. To say she was 20 and put her next to 16 year olds was just downright begging to be busted.

@siohunndai

Жыл бұрын

absolutely, people can be deceived but the public isn't stupid.

@Bom13

Жыл бұрын

I came here to write this. They were so, so stupid

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 22 at minimum.

@Bom13

Жыл бұрын

@@nakynaki she looked way older than 22 though 😅. That company has a long track record of making the worst decisions

@kim_2aeong

Жыл бұрын

​@@nakynaki omg hi wav!

Being in your 20's is not old, people need to stop saying 20's is old, this is the best age to debut as a singer

@tharntypesdaughter

Жыл бұрын

Ikr this is what the toxic kpop industry is, anyone in their late 20s is considered old

@zacharikurbah6358

Жыл бұрын

@@tharntypesdaughter I know, these stupid b*tches always have this mindset, look at the 1st Gen artists from 1996 to 1999, they're all in their 40's and are still active, Kahi from After School debut at 29, Park Bom and Dara debut at 25, 5/6 T-ara members debut at their 20's Jiyeon was the only teenager at that time, they're still active, artists from 3rd Generation all debut in their 20's, Blackswan all debut in their mid 20's, Youngheun also spoke up about it, they're just people chasing after their dreams, this is why minors should debut at a later age instead in their teenage years, this why I love groups who debut in their 20's

@lesbianslipknotfan

Жыл бұрын

@@tharntypesdaughter atp anyone who is 20 and above is old. i’ve seen it

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@lesbianslipknotfan fuck I’m old I just turned 20 a month ago. Honestly it’s sad that I’ve seen 03 and 04 liners saying they are “too old to debut” it’s like girl you just turned 18 a few months ago this should be your prime time where every company is _fighting_ just to have you sign with them. Not aging out of it. That should be for those 25 and older. Anything 23 and under is still young (that’s literally an 00 liner).

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@tharntypesdaughter not even late 20s. I saw someone calling Boynextdoor old 💀. I’m older than every member (by a tad bit) and the eldest are 19 🤡. Maknae is literally 16. What are they asking for? 12 year olds?

This wasn't her fault, it was the company's idea to lie about her age. She was hardworking. Hope she's living a good life.

I probably have a Western perspective bias, but I respect Lee Gai for this. She reinvented herself 3 times, continued to work in the industry behind the scenes, and only came back to the stage when her company needed her to guide a younger group despite thematically having no business there. In American entertainment ages are always swept under the rug so I put no blame on her. Also I think the tinted glasses even indoors is a cool gimmick.

@dark_quEEnisCringe

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I don't think it's her fault. I think it's just the company who went too ambitious with her age by calling her a 20 yr old when tbh she looked 25+

@Omaru1982

Жыл бұрын

Right the lead singer from E.L.O has worn sunglasses for decades, I'm not even sure I've seen his actual eyes, and I seem to remember the instrument playing half of the pet shop boys also wore glasses he never took off.

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

It definitely is (the glasses) and I feel like that would’ve been pretty normal in the 90s lol. I mean at least probably in American culture lol. Then again. I wasn’t born until the 21st century so all I can judge by is vague memory of tv shows about the late 80s-early 00s.

@hwanhui346

Жыл бұрын

I agree,i feel bad for the people who just try again and again and again,come back numerous times just to be flopped and unnoticed by public,it's really not fair.

@abnormalusername

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm sure this is coming from a place of not caring about kpop the way hardcore fans do, but I would have viewed this as hilarious story if she was not actually removed from the group with that story of being in such dire financial situation. Like, if one of girls in a kpop group I liked lied about her age, I would view it as a little sad and... too ambitious, not a great betrayal that requires her to be fired. But I guess I have different mindset.... And also I am 30 years old.

30 is a good age for a dancer. Odds are she just wasn't trained as much in dance as others, with her speciality being vocal, piano and songwriting. They just needed a dancey group they could rush out the door and so that happened.

@mrjoe5292

Жыл бұрын

Right? You've got world class footballers playing well into their 30s these days. 30 is within the human prime.

@xhiwhee

Жыл бұрын

Also there are a lot of kpop idols near or in their 30s who can do hard, fast pasted choreographys

@MikaMoonlight

Жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely this. I'm 28 and very often 15 year olds aren't able to keep up with ME 🤣 That's because I've been a dancer since age 6 and in constant training, that makes the difference

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

But wasn’t she originally in a dancing group? Lol when she made her first debut in 1988 it was a dance group. But it was probably a different style and I guess once out of practice it could be harder and it’s always a known fact that younger people learn quicker so they probably surpassed her abilities making her look rlly rough around the edges.

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjoe5292 yeah I would say 27/28 is the prime and then everything after that is probably a downwards turn but the slope is slight in the first few years maybe even decade. Once at 40, it starts picking up its speed lol.

I feel terrible for her. Imagine facing so much ageism when you're only 30, being forced to pose as 20, and then being replaced by a 15yo by the company who put you in this situation...

@siim4ever

4 ай бұрын

You're so wise, and still people feel the need to bash Lee Hee Jung

@lasciviouspaine

4 ай бұрын

exactly! it's disgusting behaviour

they could've said she was 25 🤦🏽‍♀️

@ploopy678

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I guess they were being a bit too ambitious 😂

@whynot5280

Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I said right before I looked in the comments

@Ipromiseyounobodyismad

Жыл бұрын

Or just not lie about her age at all?

@143szns

Жыл бұрын

@@Ipromiseyounobodyismad well that's an option 😂 but 25 would've been the most believable

@torrebrockman8900

Жыл бұрын

@@Ipromiseyounobodyismad the group might have fell then

I highly respect her.. She truly never ever gave up. She's a very strong woman who kept trying her, despite being stomped, put in failure for so many times...

@siim4ever

10 ай бұрын

I agree! she was so talented

@sleepyearth

10 ай бұрын

Word. The way she reinvent herself to debut 3 times is impressive especially during those older eras.

Their treatment of Lee Hee Jung is shameful. She should have been celibrated for the work she did prior to Baby Vox, not forced to hide her identity.

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

I agree. They could’ve been like “we couldn’t find anyone more suitable for or lesser than Lee heejung who was our first artist and has worked very hard for her dreams. Please support her as the new member of baby vox.”

@acutelilmint8035

11 ай бұрын

@@nakynakithe fact she beat other people and got into the group is already an achieve,ent.

@acutelilmint8035

11 ай бұрын

@@nakynakicause I mean look at the comments. Women are mean. The people who shame women the most are other women. I agree. Say she was a great personality and beat every other candidate. And look in kpop who are the only people that do tie after their bands kinda die? It’s the idols with very good personalities and entertainment value. I wish they would just drop the age obsession especially for women. U don’t find interesting people like that.

@nakynaki

11 ай бұрын

@@acutelilmint8035 well she didn’t bc she was already signed to the agency many years before. Shit was also a lot easier back then. If you had the pretty privilege or some other connections, you’d be a shoe in. Still true now but it’s a LOT harder to debut bc there’s just so much competition now.

the kpop industry has always been prejudice to the older ones.. I’m lowkey mad about that because why do these companies have to debut literal 14 year olds in a group where they don’t know nothing about this world instead of mature grown ups who have been through life, and can speak for themselves. I feel bad for lee gai I hope she is well though.

@snooperslooth2795

Жыл бұрын

You have to blame the fans, not the industry. If there was a demand for 70 year old idols dancing in pigtails, I can guarantee you would see it, but there isn't a demand for that. The entertainment industry will cater to whatever the fans are willing to financially support.

@ghostofmisao.

Жыл бұрын

@Snooper Slooth that's not the whole story though, every single kpop fan is not asking for children to debut, the main problem is society's obsessed with youth and believing the younger you are the more valuable/pretty you are.

@koemjrystal3719

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostofmisao.Yes, you are so right with society being hyperobsessed with youth. They are not being realistic because you're only in your teens and young adulthood for just 2 decades. We have another 60-70 years of life left, so it baffles me whenever they say a womn is over her prime years once 3 0. The ageism is sickening.

@staycsprinkles3777

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s both. Kpop fans keep sending the wrong message by making these groups with minors popular so companies will only cater to demand.

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@snooperslooth2795 but 70 isnt even close to 30. And you can be sure that at least now, in 2023 term, there would be PLENTY of people willing to support a group of say girls aged 22-28 maybe even with an oldest member at 30. Just because there is a huge market for people aged 14-20 doesn’t mean there aren’t others who are themselves in their 20s and older who are looking for groups closer to their age and who can handle mature concepts without it being minors doing things inappropriate for their age. Look at how well mamadol was received and I would’ve loved for it to be permanent or at least last say 2-3 years. Even if the schedules were minimal due to them all being mothers. And look at who some of the most popular ggs have been in the last few years, there’s been a trend: Blackpink a 4 members aged 19-21 at debut, Aespa 4 members aged 18-20 at debut, and now fifty fifty 4 members aged 18-20 at debut. I’m sure if you take that and added a few more years say 18/19 to 23, it would probably still work out. Little by little from there, people wouldn’t even notice debuting 25 years olds bc it would be perceived as “normal”.

It’s so crazy how fans will bash any idol above 23, but are upset and outraged when companies debut 15 year olds 🙄

@phansaxtiger

7 ай бұрын

Not everyone can be 18 years old at the same debut time lol. They are being unrealistic

The glasses definitely aged her. She looked younger without them. What a journey her career was.

@lalastuffandthings

Жыл бұрын

also not to mention the acctually god awful curly pigtail hairstyle, honestly with no sunglasses and with her hair just down or something imo I think she could've passed as 20

@mcblinglove

Жыл бұрын

@@lalastuffandthings i really love her look in the change mv, with the glasses and pigtails it really aged her!! The short hair without glasses, she could actually pass as 25. Those damn glasses are terrible tho😭

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

Literally 😂

@internationalmusicacademy2895

Жыл бұрын

!!!

@literallysxdraa

11 ай бұрын

@@mcblinglove fr

I always knew ageism is a thing but 30s don’t even seem that old? Maybe it’s cause I’m 23 and a lot of my idols are my age or older. Seems sad that she even had to lie about her age or that it mattered that much

@TuberoseKisser

Жыл бұрын

People wanted young idols because the industry fanbase is young, it's about relatability and unobtainability when it comes to idols.

@Niki_thebear

Жыл бұрын

Well look at Irene or solar or Jin they are much popular individually then groups like Newjeans, Ive or pre debut group Baemon It just shows that now Talent doesn't matter what matters is Visual it's either you're talented or not if you are in your 30 Like Jin, Solar and Irene looks so younger than their age and beautiful for sure And see Chiquita is talented but peoples hate cuz her visual not that they're jealous.

@bertram5806

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s the fact that she lied about her age..and she was in a group full of children. I think if she debuted with a group closer to her age maybe 20s-30s people wouldn’t care..however I admit that it’s weird to have a 30 year old women pretending to be 20..in a group full of 16 year olds.

@tallybarnie5453

Жыл бұрын

@@Niki_thebear Jin, solar and Irene all look their age. 30 isn’t old

@hellothere7268

Жыл бұрын

@@Niki_thebear ​​⁠ the ones u mentioned ARE talented tho? Also they are members of very known groups of course they are popular individually as a result of that. I agree that in kpop visuals play a big role but look at it jin just turned 30 in December last year but got called old and pushing 30 when since he was only 25. Age shaming has been prevalent for him since his debut. I am sure it’s worse for women in the industry but since I am a fan of jin I speak of him only in this context.

I feel awful for her she just wanted her dream life with her dad and a singing career

Dear youth: if you want to cultivate this belief that people in their 30s are old, prepare yourselves for an identity crisis in a decade.

@maysummers9557

Жыл бұрын

Very well said

@howltae

Жыл бұрын

Seriously

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

Literally 💀. Cause I’m turning 30 in 9 years and 11 months and umm… yeah no I’m not gunna be old. Just “aged” like a fine wine 🍷

@bigmax5780

11 ай бұрын

Considering that 70 is the life of expectancy these days, 30 is still childhood 💀

@texasktea

11 ай бұрын

I'm 32 and trust me I would never be 29 or younger again even if I had the chance.

Sad that they couldn't just debut a generational concept with her as the leader. I mean this is kind of what GOT the beat is now.

Seeing my beautiful Solar and Moonbyul always bring a huge smile on my face. They went against the norm and even debuted a unit after both of them are over 30. Love it for them and for the entire of Mamamoo ❤

@Solip_i

8 ай бұрын

During 2nd and 3rd gen, a lot of idols in their 20s and mid 20s used to debut tho! And on the contrary, it was pretty rare to see a minor in a group! Most of the members were in their 20s.

I like Baby VOXes music, so I have done some digging myself. Apparently after their disbandment DR Music tried to revive the group under the name Baby Vox re.v, some spin off, the group failed to gain attention and soon disbanded. Apparently Rania was supposed to be the 3rd version of Baby Vox, but DR soon rebranded them as Rania. So we can safely assume that Baby Vox is still alive and now simply goes under the name of Blackswan

@KpopStan2009

Жыл бұрын

That's what I noticed as well, Baby Vox never REALLY disbanded

@syryozh6957

Жыл бұрын

😀😧💀

@Dervis128

Жыл бұрын

There's a LOT more to it than that, but that is the gist. I'm a Kpop fan since gen1, and Baby Vox was what got me into Kpop, so I've always kept up with DR Muisc, and yeah. A mess. BlackSwan is essentially the spiritual successor to Baby Vox.

@rmslefttoe9024

Жыл бұрын

Damn…

@eee11111_

Жыл бұрын

NO WAY THIS RANIA THING GOES TO WAY BEFORE LMAOOOO

This kinda crazy... the company wanting her to literally act a decade younger as if that would convince anybody - they easily could've said she was 25. But poor Lee Gai finding success after so long only to have it stripped away because of ageism in the entertainment industry.

@maple855

10 ай бұрын

Why is ageism so strict🥺

Lets normalize ADULTS pursuing their dreams not juveniles who should go to school

@ari..0x

6 ай бұрын

You REALISE that, young people have dreams and they wanna achieve it soon as possible. Also when adults dance and stuff, there are people commenting “I don’t want old ass women and men shaking their ass” when they’re 27-28 yrs olds. If you want to normalize adults pursuing their dreams then what about super junior? Don’t tell me they’re “too old” when they are still ADULTS! Plus adults don’t really tend to have dreams of being idols as they grown up and start giving up and they also don’t work hard like a young person would! And young I mean 14-17 yrs olds are versatile and fast learners, that’s why companies want them.

@makesparkzfly

6 ай бұрын

@@ari..0x27-28 isnt even old …

@unvitals

6 ай бұрын

@@ari..0x Realistically, entertainment companies want younger people because it’ll be easier to manipulate and exploit them. Literally the whole entertainment industry is based off companies taking advantage of their artists & doing whatever they can for revenue.. Children should not be exposed to this kind of business, not even if it’s their dream.

@ari..0x

6 ай бұрын

@@makesparkzflyyeah you say that but not all fans agree including internationally and kstans! IMO even 30 yr olds are completely fine as long as they’re talented enough but not everyone sees it same

@ari..0x

6 ай бұрын

@@unvitals Right I do agree with you but not all companies are alike but ig they do manipulate as I’ve never really experienced it. But I’m just trying to express my point from the comments above how the way they see their view isn’t what everyone sees it!

Lee Gai isn’t the bad guy it’s DR Entertainment and K-pop industry in general are the bad guys.

As a 30-year-old... 30 is not old. Not even close. You don't look old or seem old but you're more experienced and harder to control/take advantage of than young, vulnerable teens.

REMEMBER: This video is about ‘ageism’ and ought to challenge viewers prejudice against aging women. What would have been so wrong with being 30? She never would have been allowed to perform. Her lie is completely understandable and I think everyone is way too obsessed with how old she is. How about acknowledging her ambition, talent and successful musical career?! The comments highlight the discrimination that women face and the unfairness of public opinion. Just remember: this discrimination affects all women, not just public figures. We only feel comfortable calling them out because we have silent prejudices that we won’t admit to ourselves. Criticizing celebrities is a safe place to loudly broadcast one’s own prejudice, which we may all be victims of at times.

Lee Gai is amazing. She is like Mulan, who lied about her gender to attempt to help her father, but succeeded in breaking free of society’s oppressive norms regarding a woman’s rights.

She's remarkable, because she possibly had the longest career a k-pop idol could have.

Girl with Blackswan you'll have a never ending story 😭 with all the mess, the videos just writes themselves... just wait until things get messy again lmao its a matter of time

@brandoniswhoiam

Жыл бұрын

Just when I thought that it was over!

@space-age-bachelorman

Жыл бұрын

she's already done videos on rania/blackswan,, i watched them when she released them but when i rewatched them a couple months later there'd already been a lineup change, and theres been ANOTHER change since 😭😭 its so crazy

@Niki_thebear

Жыл бұрын

Black swan is messed up

@absolutelynotellen

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the best option for BlackSwan right now is disbanding tbh especially after all that mess. I want to see them rebrand with new concept and group name and under new agency instead.

@nunununu70

Жыл бұрын

Blackswan is actually doing really well in their new lineup. And the song Karma is great. I honestly hope this crew will stick in this format and continue to grow. They are really lovely to watch and follow. The current lineup seems to really deserve this.

If we just accepted 30 year olds being active in the music industry then we wouldn't even have this scandal.

I think it would be refreshing to have a kpop/musical group with "older" people, maybe performing music that's reminiscent of the past/their times. There's something about Lee Gai that gives her a different kind of youth. And I think it would be a great way to challenge ageism. I really enjoyed seeing the clips of her performing. Makes me think there might be other adults out there who would want to pursue this dream they might've had as children. It probably wouldn't happen for a number of reasons, but I'd like to think that it could :) If there is a group like this that already exists, please let me know! I would love to check them out.

@taliak8760

Жыл бұрын

Refund Sisters is kinda like this… they were a project group with 4 members, one from each generation. I think they only have one song and it’s not reminiscent or nostalgic but it is badass and definitely challenges ageism. You should check it out if you haven’t already!

@maylinegarcia3357

Жыл бұрын

@@taliak8760 Just watched it and I really enjoyed it!!! Thanks for sharing :))

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠@@taliak8760 mamadol as well but they only lasted 8 days. I kinda hate that they won’t let them stay together. It’s just proving the point that ageism exists even in these cases bc it’s like “aww here fans it’s what you wanted women in their 30s getting to confidently own the stage but… ohh you only get a week of it” as if they are not worthy to have a full time career. Oh well there’s a group named Babys (ironically) that’s debuting in a few days and both members are in their 30s. Wonder what it will sound like.

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@maylinegarcia3357 if you haven’t got the notif from my comment to the other person, read my comment above for more. You could probably also look up groups with the oldest avg age to see if any of em are still active and/or have what you’re looking for.

@myragingwhormoans

11 ай бұрын

xeed's members are in their late 20s early 30s. they debuted last year

As someone who knew nothing about the early days of Baby VOX, i would say she lookd around 27-29 yo (based on her physical appearance). Tbh, the glasses she wore kinda age her a little more.

@hzzn

Жыл бұрын

No one is calling her ahjumma because she looks 27-29. Lee gai literally looked like she could be 35 years old. Nayeon and jisoo are 28. Lee gai looks nothing like them.

@internationalmusicacademy2895

Жыл бұрын

!!!

@jungshook2235

11 ай бұрын

@@hzzn okay so? she still looks 27-28 for that time, before the way they used makeup focused on their features so they actually look their age, if you look at the average 28 year old in google they wont look like nayeon or jisoo

Not gonna lie, Lee Gai always seemed so cute 💖

i feel sorry for her tbh.. i mean it was wrong to lie but now im worried where she is.. hope she is okay

Something very interesting is that DR lied about former member Yumi's age. Making here the third oldest when she was actually the maknae of the group. She also didn't feel respected because she was from the United States and the company didn't take care about her so she left

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

Not only that but I checked thier profile and two other members are also listed as being 80 liners when both are born in 1979. Waaaay too many lies there.

@Yourguyemziii347

Жыл бұрын

@@nakynaki Oh yeah. Back then in Kpop It was very normal to lie a little bit about your age. Annie from Tashannie who was supposed to be in Fin.K.l confessed that the company wanted to lie about her age when she was only 20...

@Yourguyemziii347

Жыл бұрын

And also. Former NRG told one of my friends that the agency changed his age (I think like 4 o 5 years or even a little bit less or a little bit more)

I’m so happy to see a long format video on this. I have heard about her and done some of my own research in the past but it’s still hard to put together fully.

I feel so bad for Lee Gai she tried so many times but failed☹️

honestly i love blackswan’s new lineup (rooting for sriya and the members) and they’re doing pretty good. i mean (i think) they get along usually…and by book knowledge of what kpop is, even though they’re all foreigners, they’re still making korean music, speaking korean and living in korea…so they’re pretty much a kpop grp. hopefully they do well..i’m rooting for them

This is why groups like Newjeans debuted. Companies are debuting children thinking that they are “old enough” to debut, but enter Blackpink for example; none of the girls were children when they debuted, and they were perfectly old enough to debut, but not too old. I mean Lisa and Jisoo were 19 and 21 respectively, but no one called them “aunties”, and rightfully so. I feel bad for Heejung because she didn’t deserve to give up for being 30. The fact that she was replaced by a child is not okay. You are exploiting children at this point. If this was not the reason why idols such as Jungkook and Seohyun debuted, then I don’t know what it is anymore. Edit: But wait, there is more. I’m glad Fifty Fifty exists because there is still hope for adults to debut more and more

@kpopislifefr

Жыл бұрын

Jealous so much?

@happyrainbow4444

Жыл бұрын

❤

@rozeh

Жыл бұрын

but that child turned out to be Yoon Eun-hye (Princess Hours, Coffee Prince) so it turned out ok if not the best.

@Tinykooandmikey

Жыл бұрын

@@kpopislifefr I love Jungkook, but I feel like he had struggles when he was a trainee and during the early years of BTS

@nakynaki

Жыл бұрын

@@Tinykooandmikey yeah he said he was basically raised by BTS which makes me think he can’t help but have missed his family. I mean moving away at 13? That’s pretty tough especially when you think about the fact that Bighit ent was basically broke back in those days and the glam scandal happening right around the time of their debut and rookies days definitely didn’t help that.

Her wearing those glasses and beanies is like scooby-doo wearing a dress and a hat as a ‘disguise’. 💀💀

BABY VOX I KNEW IT!

Dang!!! I feel bad for her too, thank you so much for a well thought out and well researched explanation, this was a fascinating video

Interesting video! I remember hearing about Lee Gai briefly during a Baby Vox deep dive on the podcast Ask Me About Kpop, but it was great to hear a more in-depth version of her story!

Man, this is a crazy story. You always find the most random and interesting things! ❤

Ngl, hwasa in mamamoo does actually look like she’s in her 40s, so she’s probably faking her age so netizens do no hate since she’s that old, since they only allow “young people.”

She was talented enough and really tried. I feel bad for her. The tides of the industry just didn't flow her way.

True story-- one time when i was 24 a girl came up to me in mall and offered to pay me 300 USD to help her with a girl group she was pitching to a talent agent but her friends had not showed up. I said "What do I have to do" and she said "Nothing, just be nice. I will fo the talking". So as I sat in this awkward interview, they point at me and say Im 14. I was shocked and prayed for them not to take photos or anything. Then she paid me and I left never to see them again. I had nightmares for weeks. 😂😂😂

@abnormalusername

11 ай бұрын

I need to know more about this story.

@igzkzftfjztdfjz

10 ай бұрын

Okay this is crazy, I'm setting up camp here in hopes that you'll tell us your story haha

@dudududududualipa5345

10 ай бұрын

So what happened after that?

Thank you for talking about this Queen!

Wow..I never knew about this. What a pity that her career never panned out multiple times. I've been a fan of Baby Vox since 2002/2003 in my early teens and can't imagine any prior lineup.

@Insertname98

Жыл бұрын

Wasnt it a big shock for you when you found out she was 30?

@sarahl9398

Жыл бұрын

@@Insertname98 I mean, I found out through this video and didn't know about Baby Vox when she was briefly in it. I'm pretty desensitized to kpop's ratchetness so I'm not too shocked lol. She did look discernibly older though.

The minute I found out she joined DR, I knew her chance at success was over, as someone who has been following Rania/Black Swan since around the Alex Era. That company is a hot mess and I couldn't help but laugh when Ploopy said she's wanting for something to go down before doing a new video on them, LMAO. Yes, something WILL indeed go down sooner rather than later. I wouldn't even be surprised if they actually wanted to throw Lee Gai in Black Swan (assuming she's still in DR, which I do truly doubt is the case, all things considered). I mean, they do need a Korean member at this point. 🤣

@Bunnybunny5656

Жыл бұрын

Well blackswan is actually doing extremely well right now. They have been doing very good to come from a small company with a small fan base. They hit top 10 on several Korean, Indian, and Chinese charts with their song Karma.

@thethingcalledlisa

Жыл бұрын

@@Bunnybunny5656 it’s DR, their groups have been doing well several times and then something stupid happens

@Bunnybunny5656

Жыл бұрын

@@thethingcalledlisa hopefully Dr continued to do better. Ever sense the change in management they have been excelling

@stwrryria

11 ай бұрын

Lee Hee Jung is 55 now 😨

@Erika-xm2mi

9 ай бұрын

As someone who casually followed Rania since around their debuted, whenever they were close to hitting it big, something happened. And with the constant member changes and rebranding/renaming the group, I'm not surprised they've never hit it big. It's not the girls' fault, it's just an unwritten rule in kpop that groups that undergo lineup changes rarely become successful beyond being one-hit wonders.

Yg: you're 28 your a bit old yg you should not be talking 50 year old man debuting minors😐✋ the retirement home is down the street.

@fantasmaghoulical

Жыл бұрын

LMAOO😭😭😭

@koemjrystal3719

Жыл бұрын

Preach it home queen

@tipennya

11 ай бұрын

We'll just act like he didn't groom his underage artist for marriage, so of course that girl is too old for his tastes

@MrNosyNeasy

Ай бұрын

@@tipennyaHOLD UP WHAT

was just watching some of your dancing shorts wondering, “i hope ploops is doing ok overall.” glad to have another video!

Something I love about your videos is that you don't over exaggerate the pictures for the videos, so when I click on your videos, I know that the title is what I'm clicking on!!! Keep up the great work!

Awesome video! First generation kpop was really something else😂

Finally another video of Ploopy. Thanks for the new video. ❤❤❤

I feel so bad for her, she didn't deserve to be bullied

Thanks .. totally stanning Lee Gae forever now

I crave everyday for ploopy's new posts😫😫 I LOVE YOUR CONTENT 🥹🩷

lol, this is not surprsing at all... Kpops "if she's not a teen, she's not a queen" policy 🤮

bro she’s really the victim in this situation~ sad to see

❤❤really miss your videos, finally you are come back, also sharing this interesting story 😎😎

this kind of this is still going on, just probably not as extreme. quite a few idols have different birthdates from what is stated by their company/profiles. its even easier now too with better cosmetic procedures being available and better photo/video editing

@myragingwhormoans

11 ай бұрын

wonho's age was fabricated in monsta x, to make him younger than shownu. their company likes to have the leaders be the "oldest" members of the group i guess, since they also did it with wjsn.

Hiiii Ploopy, thank you for a new upload we missed you 💞

@ploopy678

Жыл бұрын

I've actually been posting more than ever! But I've mostly been posting dance videos on my KZread shorts! If you haven't seen it yet then be sure to check it out!

@AndI0op-

Жыл бұрын

@@ploopy678 ohh right I forgot about those, you did a dance cover for Queencard and spicy right? Well anyways, thanks for another great video 🫶🫶

of course it's the same company as rania/blackswan...what a hot mess of a company they are tbh this woman seems cool, i actually like the image she created for herself. also i hope that in future there will appear more kpop groups where all members will be well in their 20s(or even 30s) at the time of debut, the ageism in kpop is a serious problem that needs to be fought

18:45 yaaaaaaaaaaaasssss part 3 😭😭😭😭😭 thank you ploopy678, I love you.

I didn't know about this, but Baby Vox was awesome back then 💕

I love seeing your deep dives! the audio felt a lot more rough here compared to your other videos though?

It's kind of horrifying...like a train wreck...that DR Music has been playing musical chairs with group members for THIS LONG and still isn't bankrupt.

I've been watching your videos for almost 4 years now

i hope you make a full documentary video regarding fifty fifty situations after the whole drama finish. really wanna know whats going on, worried that i miss some info.

That's one of the things I don't like about K-pop. Debuting kids and retired them in their 30's and late 20's. In my opinion, they should debut people who are above 18 and now also it is hard for me to see idols who are in their 30's fading away from the limelight.

Your videos are so informative and I just realized you’re the same girl who does the Kpop dance cover shorts 😮😮😮

@viaaa567

10 ай бұрын

😳😳😳

Ploopyyyy❤❤❤ thank you for effort and amazing vids!

I'm new to Kpop and really enjoy these fascinating history lessons. There was a Vietnamese guy I used to work with. Everyone thought he was in his 20s but he was actually 42 so I guess some people can get away with it! Cheers from Melbourne.

Baby V.O.X. Is iconic for many things and I have to say this is one of them.

The fact they act like she’s 60 or something like there’s so much praise for groups with all adult members especially if they were born in the 90s

nice to see u after long time 🥰and nice video👍

I'm so happy you're back you've been missed! ❤

I watched the midnight theories version of this and it seems that Lee Gai is struggling at that time she was an idol and she really need work to help her family

I’m looking forward to your Rania/Blackswan part 3! I got into Blackswan, ironically as a result of your videos on Rania and I am keen to see your opinion on the behaviour of Miss Larissa I’ll say now that I hope you’re wrong and that more stuff won’t go down, because I LOVE the current lineup and they’re clearly having a great time with That Karma and have had lots of great opportunities this year, but I don’t trust DR music at all 😒

gurl i waited for your video for so long finally!!

You have so many interesting documentaries about K-pop artist and groups. Would you consider doing a video about the youngest girl group, 7 princesses? Also who is the youngest boy group? Thank you for all your videos. 💜💜💜

hey ploopy! i love your videos so much and how you don’t drag on the story and get right to the point, and i really appreciate that because most story channels overexaggerate them which i really hate, but i love how you tell these story, they’re very informative and i love them! keep up the great work! ❤

Man, as someone who only has heard the aespa version of "dreams come true," it was really cool to listen to the one from decades before.

It's insane how much LYING goes on in the KPOP industry. They keep doing it, they always get caught, but they don't learn the lesson. It's so weird!

BLACKSWAN are definitely improving now which is good the new members and the concept is great. Even though the company is terrible don’t hate on the group their new song and members are really good

@melodyShaffronICHILLIN_fan

11 ай бұрын

I really agree with you, but I think both the group and company is doing better

shame that they have to act like 30 is grandma age

I've been watching your videos for about 4 months now and I really like your content

love this video! you talk so interestingly. i think it woukd be awesome if you upgraded your mic. it would help the quality a lot but ither than that, love love this commentary video

I feel bad and sorry for her, and the company is definitely not innocent in this like always; I am so sick and tired of them gosh can they just go away.

Finally, somebody who understands how brilliant Coincidence is~!

DR Music has really been out here mistreating their artists for decades

@iagreewithyou3478

Жыл бұрын

How is this company still afloat even after all these failures? I bet they have other shady business that actually generate revenue. And that's scary for their artists. These small companies are largely unmonitored and are most likely to take "shortcuts," which involves having their artists "accompany" some bigwigs.

@Chris-ot9bk

11 ай бұрын

@@iagreewithyou3478 it's confirmed that it's because of shady business lol

@reaverlene

11 ай бұрын

@@Chris-ot9bk who confirmed it?

@Chris-ot9bk

11 ай бұрын

@@reaverlene everybody who worked in DR lol

The fact that she was born on my birthday is crazy ALSO I’m new to this channel and already inlove

Damn. I feel old. Baby VOX were my idols during my childhood. They're legends

Note, Haebokkae is actually a cover of the song Two of Hearts by Stacey Q, so not really an original song.

she reminds me of MEM-cho from oshi no ko, I hope things don't go just as bad for her

HI! PLOOPY I LOVE UR VIDS! ♥

DR Music back at it yet again

Funny how the age concern doesn't seem to exist when it comes to male idols...

Lee Gai does look like 30, I am sorry whoever saying she has youth visual and all, that's not true, she clearly does look like 30. It wasn’t her fault, it’s company's fault.