I think Torb is also a good counter against Kiriko. She takes a long time to break his turret, he can survive three headshots between armor reduction and Overload, his turret is good at defending against flanking Kirikos, he's not particularly bothered by Suzu and can zone enemies out of Kitsune Rush with Molten Core.

@mL7support

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, during playtests I also found Torb to be quite strong against her.

@pissfi

Жыл бұрын

so you're saying she's hard countered in every lobby below plat. great to know can't wait

@BelloWenN

Жыл бұрын

@@pissfi Honestly I was thinking below masters because you need to be able to multitask and if you can't then you aren't using her up to her potential. So she will be better in the hands of better players. (i mean obviously but she will be useless in the hands of lower elo players compared to other supp heroes imo) Below masters people have a harder time multitasking so this is my guess.

@hayatojin2886

Жыл бұрын

As a Torb main this is golod news :)

@pissfi

Жыл бұрын

@@BelloWenN i was talking about how common torb is in lower ranks but it might just be a console thing. like 70% of my matches in console bronze have a torb who carries the game by turret existing

i think the fact that kiriko's fox actually interacts with the terrain is such a cool touch, just that small little thing alone is making me more and more excited for the detail that will hopefully go into this game

@luogon6446

Жыл бұрын

Yeah hopefully. I hope they cater towards the community this time and not the e-league..

"a support, not a healer" SO IMPORTANT

@cub_q7410

Жыл бұрын

Not really

@brockk__j

10 ай бұрын

@@cub_q7410Yeah I agree, not really.

@aexonity

9 ай бұрын

I’m sorry 😭 I’m just so used to calling support like characters “healers” I even call medic from tf2 healer

@mr.serious4329

7 ай бұрын

​@@aexonitythese try hards would label medic as a healer too, I'd imagine at least. Since (other than uber charge and whatever goofy medi gun I can't think of rn) his medi gun only heals and doesn't give say a damge boost like mercy.

@esherOW

6 ай бұрын

Facts

It's so exciting that she's so (seemingly) well received, as an Ana player she is the first support that has gotten me hyped in a while

@XgamerdaveX

Жыл бұрын

She’s the first support in a while

@pennym1056

Жыл бұрын

Three years ish since the last one

@tomfehr

Жыл бұрын

S A M E (Ana main here also excited)

@floatze1007

Жыл бұрын

As an old ana main, ive had so much fun playing her, your skills translate over to her somewhat well too

@wvlfboyy

13 күн бұрын

same, picked the game up after 6 years because of her :)

I just realized we have finally been given another support that is good to heal flying heroes such as Pharah and Echo. Mercy, obviously, is the best, but in lower ranks, especially on console, aim is out the window. Having a lock-on ability for her healing makes me so happy because it opens up more possibility for flying heroes to get healed (in lower ranks) without a Mercy on their team. Yes, Kiriko is high-skilled, but she can still be played at any level, it's just that high ranked players will get more value out of the Kiriko on their team

@sergeantseal4166

Жыл бұрын

@@ego7092 not in low ranks on console. Zen is good, yes, Brig is decent, yes, but not Ana. Low rank console Ana's struggle to hit their shots anyways and having to hit a flying target is almost impossible. Having a lock on system for another support like Kiriko is going to help with low rank console players. Her healing numbers are really good, and if the ofuda can travel to the flying target, they heal well. Zen is still really good, but many low rank players on console don't play Zen (at least from my experience) and low rank Brigs dont look up (from my experience). I also mentioned that Mercy is still really good in the beginning of my comment. My original comment mentioned console and low rank as well. Obviously, on PC, things are different but I am speaking on behalf of console players that are lower ranked

@sigmund4678

Жыл бұрын

@@ego7092 You didn't really read what was said, now did you ? He said several times IN LOWER RANKS, when you can't count on your aim. So Ana is completely out of it. Zen isn't played a lot in those ranks because you need to aim to do dmg and get value out of the pick. And Brig's heal is inconsistant for a player out of her passive area. So Sergeant Seal is quite right about the Mercy thing he said.

@immafatazn

Жыл бұрын

nah low rank kirikos will be useless

@davidgreenberg8456

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeantseal4166 They still require some aim, especially for moving targets. And they take a while to get to the target and the pharah might be out of range. I think she will not be very good at low ranks because there is a lot players need to think about and people in low ranks generally have bad aim and won't get much use out of her headshot multiplier.

@sergeantseal4166

Жыл бұрын

@@davidgreenberg8456 I'm not saying she'll be the best, I'm just saying theres another option. I know theres a delay, theres a range, and aim is still necessary. I'm merely saying that there is another option on support to assist with flying heroes that's not Mercy and provides more value to the team. Lower ranked players also don't typically follow the way higher ranked players use a character's abilities. While you may not get much use out of Kiriko's headshot multiplier, she can still be used in other ways. Her cleanse ability doesn't require much thought, ie if my team is antid I can use it to cleanse them. Yes, ranking up with her is probably going to be extremely difficult, but players that are casual and low ranked can have fun with her and play her with flying heroes. Not everyone plays with a competitive mindset to win or get value out of the heroes they play. I am a more casual gamer, and so are my friends. I understand your point and I appreciate it, but I'm speaking from a low rank, console, casual player. I personally feel too many of the conversations about new Heroes are focused on the competitive aspect rather than just overall fun.

If Kririko is indicative of what’s to come, im really hyped

@EdgarStyles1234

Жыл бұрын

Pay to play powercreep?

@Juan-sq9hb

Жыл бұрын

@@EdgarStyles1234 Lazy Fortnite kids who want everything fast and free?

@okami1272

Жыл бұрын

@@EdgarStyles1234 You get the hero just by leveling the free pass. F for smurfs tho, you won’t be missed.

@babadook4404

Жыл бұрын

Love these kinda comments because I can imagine you going to every YT video about Overwatch and spamming P2Win when I, absolutely, know that you'll be logging into OW2 immediately lol.

@christopherjones9536

Жыл бұрын

@@babadook4404 Powercreep is real though

“First hybrid support in the game” Baptiste: “am I a joke to you?”

@edm8468

Жыл бұрын

Think he meant in OW2

@kalliduouji1894

Жыл бұрын

@@edm8468 yes

@sylvereleipertz955

Жыл бұрын

Bap is the less fun support to play imo

@xJayhawkFANx

Жыл бұрын

True but bap is so boring Zzzzzz

@Nimoot

Жыл бұрын

Right? .... Mercy boosting an Ulting Hero? Not Hybrid? Her Ultimate makes her pistol godlike? Sounds like trying to make people buy her if they don't own her XD.

Ow2 maps seem so luch more alive and vibrant. Maybe it’s because we’ve been looking at numbani for over 5 years but in comparison to esperança which is so vibrant, numbani looks grey

Timestamps 0:00 INTRO 0:51 KIRIKO SETTINGS 3:37 HEALING OFUDAS 6:38 KUNAI 8:06 THE KIRHYTHM 10:35 SWIFT STEP 14:06 PROTECTION SUZU 16:55 KITSUNE RUSH 19:35 WHAT ABILITIES CAN BE DENIED BY ENEMIES 20:31 ADDITIONAL TESTS 20:50 CONCLUSIONS

@Newslnside

Жыл бұрын

subtitles mr ml7??? 👀

@plat4663

Жыл бұрын

10:00 Heal once; shoot twice... this is bap all over again.

@zeeezo3574

Жыл бұрын

hey ml7, i could be wrong but if kiriko's primary fire does 40 to normal health, shouldnt it do 35 to armored opponents? i think you got 28 because you were shooting tanks with armor and tanks have the passive for taking less damage. someone correct me if im wrong

@plat4663

Жыл бұрын

@@zeeezo3574 Armor got changed; it now reduces damage by a % rather than a flat 5.

Looking forward to a Sombra getting killed while invisible because she's being followed by Healing Ofuda tags 😂

It is worth noting that when the swift step sense is set to 50% that represents the same lock on as ofuda set to 100%. If you have trouble hitting heals I would recommend turning the sense down as it makes it more intuitive to hit healing

0:27 damn Widow did a whole flip

Love you man. I'm glad you're representing and educating us support mains.

This video was incredible! Thank you so much for the detailed testing and explanations :D You answered so many of the questions I had about kiriko interactions; it's nice when I can jump in on Tuesday n at least have a theoretical understanding of her kit already :")

@13skills65

Жыл бұрын

He forgot to mention that Suzu can wake people up from Anna's sleeping dart

Sojourn felt like a really cool OW hero, but Kiriko (and to some extent Junker Queen) feel like the first glances at what an OW2 hero looks like

Great video mL! I can't wait to definitely put these rules and tips to use(and definitely not feed on cooldown) in game once it goes live!!

Honestly, this type of content should be for any hero in general. Specific actions and key bindings that would help you out even more, indipendently if you're a console or PC player. I would love to see more in depht analisys for all of them in the future since most of those type of tips are lost in the immense reach of KZread. This would be a fun series ngl PS: this would especially help (me in this case) to actually understand all the different options avaliable (like the sidestep sensitivity) since some of those are not fully explained. Maybe i'm a bit dumb, but some imputs are not that much intuitive

18:30 The max wall height to cancel Kiriko ult is about her own height, everything below that and the ult should continue

You are by far my favorite person to learn from and also have an amazing attitude about the game. Thanks for always going out of your way to teach us how to be better players.

Yo that widow death at 0:26 was scary lol take cover!

bravo ml7, amazing, invaluable video for launch kiriko players! above and beyond and answers all the questions I had and some I didn't know I should ask

Great video. I really like the format. Very easy to follow and very informative.

Goddamnit that clip of me TPing into my team and killing them with pulse bomb is everywhere. I just wanted to see if I'd live! and killed my whole team looool

something you skipped over : you can actually also throw protection suzu at the ground when in sigmas ult if timed correctly ive already used this to save my own life when i had no better option

Thanks for the tips! I queued up a game right after watching and I could already see a difference in my play finding the right rhythm

I think my favourite thing I learned during this is that the lock-on targetting on allies is for Swift Step and not Healing Ofuda. I thought it was for Healing Ofuda while watching all of this Kiriko gameplay until then. There are a couple more bits from here that I think would be great to go in a shorter bite-sized video or split into shorts even!

@penguiny2094

Жыл бұрын

if u leave swift step sensitivity at default (50%) then it works for both

@heelmeplz

Жыл бұрын

@@penguiny2094 Kind of, it's closer to but not quite. And at the same it could make a difference between being able to swift step to your ally in time or not, so I'm not sure if that trade off is worth it to me 😮

@penguiny2094

Жыл бұрын

@@heelmeplz thats true, but at the same time raising the swift step sensitivity could make it harder to tp to the right ally if they're close together or one is almost in front of the other. it just depends on how u use the ability and personal preference imo

One thing I noticed in testing about changing swift step sensitivity, is that at it’s default value it provides an accurate indication of weather her heal will lock onto a target or not. The range of both the lock on and swift step seem to be the same as does the default sensitivity of swift step and the lock on. As such for those new to her, it may be helpful to start out without raising her swift step sensitivity to help get a feeling for how her heal works.

Basically, the susu is what they truely tested a while back, with the 1-3-2 experimental, where zarya could bubble a bunch of people at once. The interactions seem very similar as well.

15:50, important to note that you also can throw the Suzu downwards before you get dropped to protect yourself if there are no teammates or walls to splash it on.

Thanks for the tips. I tend to leave the controls the same for the very reason given like when it comes to Moira. Can't wait to finally try her out 😁

I see a lot of people complaining about her being OP, but she's like Echo, Sojourn, Genji, and Ana. She's only OP when you get really good at her. High skill = high reward and I hope future characters are like that.

@micdonallls8853

Жыл бұрын

Is that why i always feel forced to swap her out that and we only have one support each game since its not role queue

god i'm such a nerd because i'm so excited about all the new educational OW content that's about to be out. this was super helpful thank you!!! i feel so ready to try her out now

Very detailed!!! I love the character and this was great!

Thank you ML7 for the effort! Your content ist so great. I've learned a lot of things from your videos!

ML, this is such a great video man. Much appreciated. Can’t wait to play her!

ML7 actually sounds like a teacher when doing these non-stream content

This is an awesome study! Congrats!

this video is super helpful and I love your sense of humor

What a great video! I'll definitely try to master her, looks like she's so fun to play once you understand everything about her kit

Very informative, great vid!!

Thank you for this video, very informative. Looking forward to trying her out!

At 4:50, the healing ofudas do lock on in the swift step indicator, but only if you have swift step on its default sensitivity

Very informative. Thank you mL7.

it took me a while to see the value in turning off toggle ofuda but I GET IT NOW! thank you!

Thank you for the amazing guide!

I believe the reason that Mei's ice block doesn't block the Kitsune while the Ice Wall does is due to the Kitsune's ability to pathfind around corners and other small map obstacles, the block just isn't big enough.

Imagine the plays you could make if kitsune could actually go through a sym tp

That ult example on the boats was perfect.

thank you so much for the in depth tips, i can't wait to play her!

Awesome video, learned a lot from it, thank you.😊

damn, this breakdown is intense. Thank you!

AMAZING AND INSIGHTFUL!! TYSM

Currently the best Kiriko guide out there, very nice video!

An amazing and super informative video-- thanks ML7

I'm gonna study this video until I know everything in my sleep. Your educational videos are always such a huge help. Thank you ❤️

Aaah, I get off work 1 hour after OW2 releases, then I have 16 hours of free time to play around :D Can't wait!

mL7 out here saving everyone time on practice

Really nice and useful guide. Regarding Mei iceblock. I think it's the height things that matters here. Interesting test could be: 1) Let Mei iceblock a small doorway and try to push Kitsune through 2) Let Mei stand on some raised ground (this probably shouldn't work if I understand how the fox works but still worth confirming)

I can definitely see them adding one second or two to both of her abilities but other than that she seems very good and honestly balanced

The fox jumping into the river in Rialto and immediately unexist is the funnies y thing after

I've come to see tips and tricks on Kiriko and that's what I got Congrats for the great video!

I'm super hyped for Tuesday! Several of my friends and I took the week off.

the 50% swift step has actually gotten me killed a couple times. Thank you so much for posting this video!

Also her healing is about the same range as her teleport so you can use that to gauge whether or not you're in range to heal someone

I'm so ready for Kiriko, thank you sensei ♥

Yeah, as a Moira player, I'll probably be keeping mouse 2 as my attack button.

one of the best guides for Kiriko!

Damn this is a nice video since I’m a starting player .. very nice video!!

thanks these are great tips!

Kiriko is like the only reason I play support. I don’t one trick her, but the others just get boring to me easily

I appreciate the second tip. I thought you are just stuck in healing until it ends and that it was just an inherent weakness. I lost quite a few fights because I needed to switch to damage and thought I had to wait. Very frustrating when you can't cancel it.

Really cool video thanks! What do you think are the best supports to play alongside kiriko?

i just started playin ow2 2 days ago and the mouse binding was first thing i fixed within 2 seconds of picking her.. idk what they was thinking having me use a left click to throw with my Right hand glad to see im not the only one changing it

If you keep the swift step sensitivity to 50% , it can be used as an indicator for healing ofuda hit accuracy.

@rookiepoo

Жыл бұрын

THATS GENIUS

Awesome video thank you! ❤

the primary secondary fire swap came naturally to me cause I did the same with Moira to match the hand she uses, same with Kiriko default weirded me out

Instructional mL voice is like an AI and I love it 😂😂

This is masterclass mL I appreciate it

Dont know if you did a breakdown like this for all the supports but that would be insanely usefull :o

also the Ofuda track perfectly with Swift Step's lock on when both sensitivities are left on the default settings. 50% for Swift Step and 100% for Healing Ofuda

If you leave the Swift Step sensitivity at 50% any time you have a lock on a target your Healing Ofuda will also hit. You might not be able to peel out as easily but the trade off is you always know when your healing is on target.

@micdonallls8853

Жыл бұрын

How do you change that sensitivity?

@maverickjhett

Жыл бұрын

@@micdonallls8853 its under controls and then you have to select Kiriko. by default its 50%

0:26 Look at the Widow doing a "forced" backflip haha

Kiriko's Suzu does not need that "GHOST" mechanic!! It's so unfun to play against! Thanks for the nice solid video.

The swift step teleport box will show if ofudas will track if you set it to default 50% sens

dont mind me, I'm just learning that the lock-on is for swift step AND NOT THE OFUDA FOR THE FIRST TIME 😫 THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH

2:41 Zarya: Ooh, a piece of candy!

Good video, thanks for sharing bud :D

thanks man i didnt understand her before this

Thank you for making this video it's great

if you leave the swift step lock on 50% it will give you a visual indicator for if your heals can auto lock so it snot really worth upping the swift step to 100% cause it will make you think you are hitting your heals but in reality you are still missing them

I have always found Kiriko interesting as a support hero and she’s quite unique as well. I’m trying to get my last challenge finished to obtain her as soon as possible to finally play her and get used to her controls.

I heard in another video that the lock on cross hairs do match the healing ofudas if you keep swift step at the default of 50%. Seems to work for me.

NICE VIDS! Can't wait to main her

very informative and amazing video ml! I love your videos a lot and this made me think; since protection suzu makes all effected allies ‘ghosts’ does that mean they’re briefly untargetable to things like soldiers visor?

@mL7support

Жыл бұрын

Didn't test that one, but the interaction should be similar to the Symmetra turrets one (which we tested) so I think you might be right.

Omg... I just switched my primary and secondary fire and my accuracy jumped 10% quickly! AND it finally match her hands and weapons! That was bugging me so much lol 😂 Thank you so much for the tips!

well this would be helpful, thanks for letting us know how to play Kiriko the right way

Quality support educational content from one of the best support players in the game, hands down. What's not to love!

I think she's gonna get a cooldown nerf on the teleport for sure. Though I hope we get more characters like her especially supports.

If you leave swift step targeting at 50% it makes it so you CAN use the swift step targeting box for whether or not you will hit your healing ofudas as it is where the targeting sizes match. Personally, I find this more useful than having a slightly easier to target swift step.

@markderonde6226

Жыл бұрын

this^ from the looks of it he cranked that setting immediately or at least before he noticed that.

This is awesome, super mega awesome mega duper omega video, now I shall use this knowledge against you in ranked >:)))