Amen to the emphasis on humility. As one who grew up in the church & has been as guilty as any other of pride and divisiveness I wish every Christian in America could hear and understand this. Recently I prayed and ssk God to do in me what His enemy fears the most. God immediately began to speak to me about the fruit of the Spirit! Not gifts, anointing, doctrine, but the fruit. How many have there been who were gifted, anointed, well versed in doctrine but lacked the fruit/humility. We are to be known by our love for one another! I must show my love to God by my love for my brothers. Lord help us.

WOW!!! There is so much revelation in this video. The essential tenets are great but we can’t get passed our differences without starting at the point of humility. Super eye opening! I pray the spiritual scales are removed from the religious’ eyes and we move toward unity. Powerful!

@Lazarusrizing

2 жыл бұрын

This may be the most sound and revelatory summation on this comments board.

@dallasbrat81

2 ай бұрын

Why unity with the devil ?

The problem is NOT that people want to go it alone, THIS is the problem: People go to church to get connected, but people at church have self-isolated into their family/ work life. Meeting at church once a week is not, “community.”

@user-fn3py6mg3c

2 ай бұрын

Most people don't even meet their parents that much.

Wow? How awesome! You've opened up a dialogue. What a beautiful display of unity for Jesus.

This the most amazing video I watch it over and over and still 2 years latter it’s fresh

Wow this is so thuth! It feels like im getting out of my knowledge and starting to depends on God knowledge. By Humbling myself, God gives more of His grace to me.. Walking in the light of Jesus. ❤️❤️❤️

Our Lord Jesus prayed about being one and I believe we need to respond with godly sorrow. May we pray to go and make disciples unify of all nations and like Bereans who listen and examine the holy scriptures on how to achieve unity that would glorify God. I love the discussion. I desire unity to happen in our generation and Christ is indeed the chief cornerstone (imitate Christ's character like His humility). I wish to serve in any way possible to join and repent in this wicked disunity each of us has allowed. May we be one in the prayer of our Lord. Grace and peace be with you all my brothers. =)

The Church of Jesus Christ as a whole need this. It is not new. Ultimately Our Lord Jesus Christ promised that His Holy Church shall prevail and not even the gates of hell will prevail. Leaders and members need to go back to the basics of being a disciple of Our Lord. May God help us all!!! Amazing Man of God!!!🙏🏻🥳 we pray!!!

CONTEXT brothers :In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt THERE HAVE TO BE DIFFERENCES AMONG YOU TO SHOW WHICH OF YOU HAVE GOD'S APPROVAL. Is not getting into agreement, and "work out our differences" is getting into SUBMISSION, be obedient and faithful to His holy word, those are the ones that have God's approval, and those are in agreement between each other, blessings!

HI Gospel for Asia family. thank you for the wonderful update. thank you Gospel for Asia Staff!!! thank you. I'm still watching and listing right now on Youtbue. from Wesley Franklin.

Such Humility in Such highly intelligent & Anointed men…….

I am enjoying this. Awesome discussions.

What an amazing discussion.

I love how the answer is so simple yet so difficult. Be humble and submit.

@itsnow2023

Жыл бұрын

But submit to who?

This is powerful! It's all about Unity in the body of CHRIST!

@Lazarusrizing

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get that in this video?

Awesome content

This is so good - thank you for sharing!

Hank is a very inquisitive and great speaker who makes you understand things that I have not understood all my life, even though I was born Orthodox. Thank you Frank, I hope the Church gives you a place you deserve.

John 17 is the entire point. Shma Israel, Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad. - and we are One in Him, through Christ. It's so sad that the Church has stopped keeping the Feasts of the Lord, which teach the basics.

Thank you, men! What a true witness to so humbly seek unity. I was a reformed pastor, serving a church and also pursuing post graduate studies in seminary when I seriously began to deal with the early Church, since it was my focus of study. For brevity, my path lead to becoming Catholic. As part of the Western Church, I so happily love my sister Eastern Church. Pope Saint John Paul II, refers to our East and West connection as the church that must breath with two lungs, “Ut Unum Sint”, that we may be one. I have great hope that this unified life giving breath will come to fullness and endure, for Christ has built his Church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her. I pray for you, brothers Francis and Hanegraaff, because I know the difficulties you face from those that come at you that are dear friends in the Lord. May almighty God continue to bless you men in all that he has given you to do. I agree with other comments about reaching out to Scott Hahn, also a former reformed pastor and convert to Catholicism. God used his example to help form me. I pray for continued humility and peace for the sake of Christ’s Church!

@sharonwalters6135

3 жыл бұрын

So good to hear your comments. Our whole family went to the Reformed Church and we all had to leave and thankfully there was an Orthodox Church down the way and our sun was the first to be baptized then my husband and I followed and then our daughter and her husband.. at last someone to hear my confession and add last taking of the pure body and blood of Christ. Blessings my brother

@St.David7

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you commenting? These 3 believe that catholicism is heretical. They would not accept your catholic views man..

@josephdas7482

3 жыл бұрын

@@St.David7 I long for the unity of the Church. May God grant all 2.2B souls (East-West), by God's grace through faith, be kept in Christ's love. I do not presume otherwise.

Wow I love this Hank . It's who I've listened to forever

Such a great conversation and reminder of humility. Thank you.

It's the need of hour to bring unity among the people of God. Such great leaders are taking initiative is good sign. Awesome diolouge.

What happened to the days when leaders offered the word of God to explain? What does the word of God say about unity and what’s essential and everything else. This is why there is no unity. We rely on the opinions, thoughts and ideas of popular leaders who barely use Scripture.

@George-ur8ow

Жыл бұрын

Highly personal and wildly different interpretations of scripture is exactly what has led to disunity

13:26 Francis Chan asks a great question. Salvation is dependent on how Jesus laid it forth in Matthew 28:18-20 . We need to be made into disciples. As we are made, we will learn the importance of all that is mentioned and the church. And it is into the body of Christ which is Jesus body that you are saved.

I appreciate all of the comments. I too will investigate the writings of the early church Fathers and Mothers. Humility is key to learn truth. Dont look for truth in isolation. Thank you so much.

All I can say is WOW🤯

Thank you fine gentlemen for this most wonderful discussion. We left the Reformed Church and followed our son to Orthodoxy. Also Hank when you talked about taking the body and the blood and crossing our arms in front of us I just got such great understanding and I want to feel that like you feel it and to love that body and that blood that brings me healing and eternal salvation

The only divisiveness I've ever experienced from another Christian was always from a Catholic. My first experience was denying me Eurcarist because I wasn't one of them . The second was getting kicked out after a funeral memorial because I wasn't one of them .

Wow, amen "Not by my strength nor might, but by thine Spirit." And Christ alone.

@nicholashillikergod1stmini214

3 жыл бұрын

Amem God bless you

Good atleast you all move foreward to discuss

Hello, great discussion. How do we establish total truth? How do we know what is the truth? Let me add that I am a Christian and I believe wholeheartedly in the inerrancy of the Bible.

@davidgaston6859

Жыл бұрын

Francis Chan is wanting to create his own version of unity. Christians should not overlook the fact he's literally creating his own doctrine by saying we've misunderstood unity so we need to unify with all beliefs with Jesus in their theology. Problem is most religions with Jesus in them are heretical and should not be unified with. Francis thinks he's gonna some how fix it. The gospel saves... not Francis Chan... the gospel brings unity.. not these "let's have a conversation" small group meetings. Francis is a lone wolf off doing his own thing. Lone wolf's should be avoided. Period. Especially in the evangical world.

Seek the true Church and you'll find It!

I would love to hear also the topic about Shabbat, which day the early Christians worshiped, what the early fathers of church talked about that issue. Sometimes it’s so hard to me think “why from 10 commandments that we keep, just one we don’t (the sabat). It would be so good to hear those three man talking about that.

@MrPlaystation14

Жыл бұрын

i was also aking this question over and over, keeping the sabbath and not keeping the sabbath. until i read acts 21.25

Revelation is progressive... What the Apostles wrote about is foundational, God is still revealing more through Scripture.

We’re not to be in unity with those who teach error! If someone comes preaching another gospel, doctrine, another Jesus, let them be cursed! Light can have no fellowship with darkness! There is no fellowship with false teachers, or with those who name the name of Jesus, yet live like the world, or serve another Jesus other than the one in the Bible! We are to expose them, not to be unified with them in their error! True unity is only true unity when we walk in the same truth, and follow the same biblical Jesus! Many name the name of Christ yet their fruit show that they do not follow him, or know him! Those who justify their sin by grace, are deceivers, and we are to separate them from those who truly are walking in the Spirit, obeying his voice, and fear the Lord, and depart from sinning! Jesus separates them also on that day! He puts the sheep on his right, and the goats on his left! His angels reap the Tares out from the Wheat before they reap the Wheat! Warning after warning in his word! Don’t be deceived by fancy degree’s, or those who are famous tv preachers! Stop following after men, and follow Jesus! Fear the Lord, and depart from doing iniquity! The truth is what will set you free, and His word is truth! Personally seek him with all your heart, and be wise, not foolish! Dig deep and build your house on the true foundation by doing what he says! Following after men and not Christ, is building your house in the sand! You will not stand through the storm following men’s doctrines! It all sounds good to the ear, but you will be led right off the cliff, along with them! Seek and you will find. When you seek with the Whole Heart! There is only one truth, and that one truth is what unifies his sheep! Not a twisted version of the truth! But His one and only truth, that he gave us in his word! And that truth can only can be understood by seeking wholeheartedly, with all your being, obeying it, living it, and is only taught and revealed by His Holy Spirit! In Christ’s Love!

@squarevinyl

3 жыл бұрын

Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah.

@squarevinyl

3 жыл бұрын

@@kkeyo8366 Is someone who rejects the deity of Christ with us or for us? @ Mormons making Jesus equal with satan. Isaiah 44:6-86 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Likewise Catholics practice necromancy, communicating with the dead. @ Your Vicar of Christ, Titus 1:16 KJV 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Matthew 7:22-23 KJV 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I am not rebuking them for there good works.

@HumbleHeartMinistry

3 жыл бұрын

@@kkeyo8366 Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Friend, many people do things that are good. But God knows the heart. He knows the motives, he knows the reasons behind the deeds. And indeed many of those deeds are deeds a person who is truly born again and following Christ would do. For example, if a person feeds, and clothes the poor, that is a good deed. But that does not mean they are in Christ! There are many reasons people do good deeds. To make them feel good, to have people say good things about them, to try to be a good person, and earn their way into heaven, ect. But the difference is those who truly have been born again, have died to self. They do not do good works to make themselves feel good, or care what anyone thinks of them. They do not do them to earn salvation. They do good works because they are a new creation in Christ, and are led by the Spirit of Christ! Their motives is not about self, but about love! You see we are saved by grace through faith, and faith works by love! If I go before the judge for breaking the law, and say to the judge I should not be sentenced for my crimes, because I also did good deeds along with my crimes, the righteousness judge will still judge you for the crimes, because he is bound to in force the law. Those who do good deeds, indeed are doing good deeds, but that does not make them not guilty of breaking the law! Only those who have Jesus as their advocate will be pardoned!

@HumbleHeartMinistry

3 жыл бұрын

@@kkeyo8366 The word of God is what is the truth. It tells us what is truth and what is error. It tells us that if anyone comes preaching a different gospel than what Paul taught, let them be accursed. The word tells us to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but to reprove them. Jesus told us we would know who is a true Christian, by their fruit. And the Bible tells us not to fellowship with someone who calls themself a Christian if they are living like the world. The Bible tells us there will be many teaching false teachings in the last days, and to study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth. And to prove all things by the word. The Bible tells us to repent of our sin and be holy before the Lord. You may think I’m judging I guess? But these are all commandments of the Lord we are to obey. It is the word of God that shows what is truth and what is error. My point then is, if someone is talking like the world, acting like the world, doing what the world does, continuing to live in sin, walking after the desires of the flesh, as the world, then that person is of the world. It is not me knowing there thoughts, or judging them. It is the fruit that they are producing that exposes them of what kind of tree they are! I simply am calling the tree by what manor of fruit it has. And not calling a bramble bush, a olive tree. Unity only is unity by both walking in the same truth, the same Spirit! If one is serving the spirit of the world, and the other is serving the Spirit of God, there is no unity. Because one is the spirit of error, and the other the Spirit of truth!

@tongresa77

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

Amen

I noticed a total absence of justification by faith apart from works. Faith in the gospel was not considered an essential. Why leave this out? They want to include the Catholics and the Orthodox. Paul said if anyone preaches another gospel let him be anathema. That's scripture and it trumps anything the early church says.

@jaylintz1683

3 жыл бұрын

@J C if you're implying it's Catholic, you're sadly and horribly mistaken, and obviously biased based on Catholic mis-teaching. Scripture was conveyed and written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, not a church.

@jaylintz1683

3 жыл бұрын

Think biblically, correct on all points.

@TheGreatAgnostic

3 жыл бұрын

Hi brother, I would encourage you to maybe dive a bit into what Catholics and Orthodox really believe as there is often misconceptions there. I think I would put it that we are saved by grace, through faith, but that after receiving grace we can’t choose to reject that grace by sin without consequence but rather need to (again, by God’s grace) do God’s work. Faith without works is dead, but it is all God’s free gift, we just need to respond.

@tongresa77

2 жыл бұрын

Amen and awoman! 😂 In all seriousness, I agree with you on all points as well.

@annalynn9325

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatAgnostic 👍🏼

Crazy, I just watch some guy quote John Milton as though it were Scriptures, and two other guys nod in agreement while discussing holding to historical orthodoxy and not private interpretation. lol

When you understand you’re not the most perfect person or the one with the best interpretation of the Bible, that’s when you truly understand the Bible. -- 38:45

This was astounding! Thank you, Father God! May we heed these words and die to ourselves... humility, humility, humility... God help us, please.

@theguyver4934

9 ай бұрын

Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )

I don't completely understand this... the topic is going in so many directions that seems to be no conclusion. I truly believe we need to know the God of the bible, that is what has caused me to be personal with Him and all that He created, and yet be humble in knowing that this creater loves me, and has given me the opportunity to be apart of His body. Going about doing good in His work personally.

Oh.....My.....God!!! Humility!!!! That struck deep in me, along with the rest of the points! I love these three men of God. Oh Jesus!

@Stefin770

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that. Sadly Chan has changed & K.P is a fraud

@tongresa77

2 жыл бұрын

Read the Bible alone. Stick to it only!

@Stefin770

2 жыл бұрын

@@tongresa77 exactly bro, these men(including Chan) have difted away from the word of God and now is accepts every sort of doctrine. And not all of these align with the word of God

When Christ Jesus returns, I wonder what He’ll say about all the things that separate the people who claim to be a part of His Church? “Father, I pray that they will be one, as You and I are one.” Maybe it’s because we are all part of the fallen nature of Adam, that we have such a hard time just getting along...?

How would you determine what teachings of the ancient Church fathers and Councils are true to unify around? How is one to determine that this "becoming god" is something the early church believed?

@annalynn9325

2 жыл бұрын

I want to read what was written by the sub-apostolic fathers, the ones who discipled directly with Apostle John, Apostle Peter, Apostle Paul-such as Clement, Polykarp, Ignatius of Antioch. However I have been searching for these writings diligently and only able to find books written *about* them not what was written *by* them :(

@George-ur8ow

Жыл бұрын

In Orthodoxy, it is the collective lives of the saints over time that provide the correct interpretation of scripture. Not a single individual, as in Roman Catholicism (the Papacy) or in Protestanism (anyone who happens to read the scripture).

i rewatched this to write down Hank's acronym/acrostic/mnemonic device, but i think he forgot the letter "I:". deity, original sin, church, trinity, resurrection, ???, new creation, eschatology.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John:8:32 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John:14:26 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. Luke:12:12

@biancahowe8882

3 жыл бұрын

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Luke:24:49,And this scripture referring to what took place in the day of the Pentecost day in Jerusalem according to the bible. And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts:2:1-4.I know alot of people don't agree with this but that's ok,even I didn't understand this until I got save according to what took place on the day of Pentecost just like those people that gather together and have the same experience they have according to the bible,and that day was the best day of my life and that's when I realized the difference between a real Christian and a false christian,and even the gospel of the book of Mark 16 says about this things will take place. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark:16:16-18,20 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts:2:16-18.I forgot to mention something that they always keep saying something about asking the Lord to show them or a KEY to understand the bible,Jesus spoke to Simon Peter one of the disciple about this key and he said to Simon Peter.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. When you receive the Holy spirit according to the bible on the day of Pentecost you will receive everything that Jesus Christ has done for us and that's VICTORY through that perfect sacrifice he has done for World,we only receive that VICTORY through the holy spirit,I know many people thinks that Jesus was referring to Simon Peter as that Rock,but he is not saying that he himself is that ROCK Jesus,and some people thinks that Simon Peter is the first Pope in the bible,but we need understand that Simon Peter had a wife according to the bible. And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. Matthew:8:14 , so he can't be the first Pope and the word pope is not in the bible and even says in the bible that call no man FATHER for there is ONE FATHER God the Father in heaven and that's referring to the holy spirit,the spirit of God the TRUTH,but many people call the Catholic pope holy father,that's God title no one is holy only God himself is Holy and that's why we have to receive the gift of the holy spirit through repentance from our sins,according to the bible. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts:2:38, Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Acts:3:19,and with out that we can not be save amen

Heard a pharse years ago, "go to the throne not to the phone." Dig into the word, listen for the spirit and know the truth. That is that unto God I know nothing so in the world I know nothing. Thus every morning nothing is known until it is known. Even to getting in the car the first turn of the key, getting on the bus or train until you are on it and traveling it has not yet arrived. Turn on the computer, will it boot. Nothing is known until it is known.

Maybe I’m not the only one who is struggling with Hank’s answers. Here’s a few questions I have for Hank: 1. Who do you mean when you say “Church fathers”? 2. What makes them “the church fathers”? 3. Why do you point to the church fathers? 4. If the church fathers were wrestling with scripture; why not encourage people to start with the scriptures? 5. Even with Moses, Aaron, and Joshua, the Israelites fell into heresy, apostasy, and idolatry within a few months, after leaving Egypt. The early church, the one addressed in the New Testament Epistles, did the same, nearly as quickly. Why would we set up extra-biblical church tradition over what the Bible says plainly? Nowhere in scripture are we told to believe that the bread and the cup are the literal or not the literal body and blood of Christ. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told to specifically believe that the Old Testament teaches a trinitarian, binitarian, or unitarian theology of God. We are told to believe the testimony of Jesus Christ, and to keep his commandments. We are told to fellowship, to pray, to pray together, to pray for one another, to worship God, to encourage each other with spiritual songs and hymns. We are told to care for the poor and needy. We’re told to equip the saints, and to equip men who will take up the mantle of equipping the saints into the future. We’re called to live peaceably towards all men, to work to provide for our needs, the needs of our family, the needs of our brethren all over the world, and to love and pray for our enemies. We’re commanded to pursue peace, and to grow in holiness (the fruit of the Spirit). We’re commanded to share our hope with all others, especially when they ask us about our hope. We are to be accountable to one another, and submit to one another, especially our leaders in our various fellowships. These are simple and plain teachings. We’re never told we have to understand, at the beginning or at some point in the middle, the fullness of the Godhead, holiness, fellowship, and doctrine perfectly. We are to grow in grace and the knowledge of the word of God, Jesus Himself, from glory to glory (more and more).

@George-ur8ow

Жыл бұрын

These questions can be pretty easily answered by doing some basic online research, or picking up an introductory book on the Orthodox Church

@priscillafrye2951

Жыл бұрын

Yeah don't study the Church Fathers but do read every book written by today's Christian Industrial Complex.

It's the explicit teachings of scripture and the decisions of the Church that unite Christians, all devisive-distinctive doctrines are implicit and easily debatable. The Church already debated the Trinity and other doctrines for hundreds of years then made highly informed collective decisions. Let's accept them and not rehash settled debates. Debating, praying and interpreting is a job of the Church not any one individual.

The church fathers themselves did not agree with each other on everything ... and even if they did, we would just find ourselves trying to interpret their writings, rather than the Scriptures. Lean not on your own understanding, tremble at the word of God, trust in Him, He will lead you into all truth, He will make straight your path, His Spirit will teach you of all things.

@danieljohnson1932

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, what you said is right! Even the Apostles did not see eye to eye on everything! However, what about those core doctrines of the Church with the church fathers all agreed on? As pointed out the example of Eucharist is a good one to look at. When we question the veracity of the doctrines already agreed on by the Church, then we are cutting off the very branch we are sitting on.

@beowulf.reborn

3 жыл бұрын

@@danieljohnson1932 I was raised in a Baptist Church where we taught that the Eucharist is just symbolic. If I held to what the Church (as I knew it) taught, then I'd reject the Real Presence. But, by the Grace of God, through the study of Scripture, I came to believe in the Real Presence. Finding others throughout Church History who also taught/believed such things helped me to be confident that what I was learning from Scripture was true, but it was not the foundation of that truth, Scripture was.

@josephmiller1224

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my view!!!!!

@timthomas924

3 жыл бұрын

Did not Luther say councils oftentimes contradict one another. It was his reading of the scriptures that opened his eyes to truth. Not church fathers and councils. When the church departs from the plain simple truth of the scriptures is when error begins. The Lord has preserved his word not councils.

@tongresa77

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

It's a nice conversation but that's all. For the most part we do get along with others in different denominations. This is like the modern day conversation on race. An over emphasis on concepts that don't exist to the degree that we think they do or once did. The over emphasis only rebirths more resentment for things that already had been put to bed. I love to watch Andy Griffith. In one episode Barney discovers a twenty year old case of assault that had no resolution to it. He consults the offending parties who had long since resolved their differences and were good friends. With more investigation he actually rekindled the old feelings of animosity between the two and soon they were fighting again along with everyone in town. Know what you believe and respect others for their own veiws.

I agree with the need of unity. But when you start getting into The Father's there's only 2 views - Either they are upholding the essentials of Christianity while having their own distinctives (Protestant) or 2. They are preserving and passing down an interpretive tradition (Catholic & EO)

God's word is authority and above all things. Jesus Christ is Lord

@timthomas924

3 жыл бұрын

Sacred scripture interprets scripture.

The emphasis that Hank puts on the Eucharist is not seen in the writings of John, Peter, Paul and Luke.

@landowar2162

3 жыл бұрын

No Christians judge the degree of importance by >how much< emphasis each apostle gives a specific area in their letters. Paul emphasizes some things Peter do not put any emphasis on for example - it doesn't mean it's not important. Christ already established the eucharist in the last supper in a very real and substantial manner, so much that there was no need to emphasize it further since it was put into full practice from the very start in every church founded by the apostles (hence why Paul needed to correct and instruct some errant manners in regards to the supper already in practice - note how he doesn't instruct the specific ritual in itself). The liturgy of the eucharist was communicated by mouth and by actually being there in person, and not through the letters.

@ichooselife1916

3 жыл бұрын

@@landowar2162 it's done in rememberance of Jesus. Not as literally taking a wafer and calling God into the cracker and eating it. It is symbolic and not literal. It's to remember His body that was given for us. And to remember His blood that was poured out that we are washed clean.

@kathrynmount3833

3 жыл бұрын

It means the Lords supper

@slimdankbeams8165

Жыл бұрын

John 6 puts this emphasis on the Eucharist, same with Matthew 26:26-28

If I have all of Christ in me how do I get more of Christ when I take communion?

I think our responsibility is not to bring unity, or oneness, that is already been done by Yeshua, rather, our responsibility is to walk in the oneness which He gave us - together.

I am disappointed in Francis Chan, but still love his heart towards God. This talk is less about how to experience unity among believers amid differing tertiary beliefs, and more about how we should all just come in line with the orthodox views of things to achieve unity. Just because “early church fathers” were believing certain things doesn’t mean it’s Biblical.

@lisalmenard3828

3 жыл бұрын

@J C I expected to get a mean-spirited reply like this. It’s ok. I just don’t see it like that. I look at what is in the epistles and in the Book of Acts. The Scriptures are God-breathed. People can put interpretations on them. I get that. However, if one only reads the New Testament, which you say the church fathers gave us, then how, after just a simple reading of the NT, would I ever come up with several of the doctrines of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches? They don’t reflect the early church we see functioning in the New Testament. So, in my mind, to believe the church fathers that wrestled with these things afterwards, over the Scriptures themselves...well it just doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not saying that every Orthodox and / or Catholic doctrine are opposite of what is found in the NT. Some are right on, and I see them plainly in the text. Other certain doctrines require huge assumptions and creative interpretations. Others are just not seen in the NT, and some are opposite of what is found in the text. I still do consider us all Christians who rely of the finished and substitutionary nature of Jesus’s work on the Cross to save me and reconcile me back to the Father. I’m so willing to accept differences and still remain in unity in the essentials for salvation. I’m just not sure some on your side are willing to take the same stance concerning people like me. We should be able to raise honest questions and discuss issues in peace. Blessings to you, in Christ Jesus.

@lisalmenard3828

3 жыл бұрын

@J C thank you for that, brother. I’m starting to think that being able to love and be at peace with others that have different beliefs than us in non-soteriological issues is what God meant when he said He wanted us to be in unity. Just like when you are married. You and your spouse do not agree with everything on every issue. There will always be things that irk each spouse about the other. However, the love, commitment, and unity between them must ignore all of those side issues if they are to stay together, as one. Love, despite it all. Love never fails. You and me both both believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one comes to the Father but by Him. We both agree on the absolute essentials of the Christian faith. Let’s pause for a minute and rejoice in knowing another member of Jesus’s body...my brother...my sister...feel that love, appreciation, and respect. Praise God! We can have fellowship and love one another in Christ anyway. What a glorious thing! That kind of unity can not be found in the world. It’s only possible by the Holy Spirit. I’d like to meditate on this today. I have a busy day preparing for my niece’s wedding this afternoon, but later, I’d be happy to respond to the questions you posed to me. Blessings to you!

@tongresa77

2 жыл бұрын

This discussion feels like more or ecumenicalism to me.

@supriangeorge

Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your perspective and it reflects alot of my thoughts. I wouldn't say I'm disappointed in Francis because I'm glad he initiated this discussion. But his emphasis on "going to an office alone and interpret" wasn't a fair reflection of what persons are taught to do in Baptist circles, and was an unnecessary jab

I would like to know when the first Elders were called priests.

Do things the way it was in the first century, meet at houses not expensive buildings. This is the first step towards unity. This allows people to grow in the word at a faster rate.

Jesus is the only way, truth, and Life.

Wit the church fathers or Patristic Fathers, many of them knew someone who knew Paul and Peter and other Apostles first hand so what they passed down was not just here say.

One of the biggest myths of early Christianity is that the Church councils were filled with godly men who humbly sought out the pure biblical truth. The fact is that these councils were extremely contentious and managed somewhat by the emperor who placed security guards in the councils to keep the warring factions from killing each other! In 449 a mob of bishops managed to start a riot in the council, injuring a bishop (?) Flavian who died of his injuries. This is what is NOT being told about the "blessed and holy" Church Fathers who are held up with such veneration.

Does anyone read their bibles any more?

My goodness… I’m half way through this and I say this with a preface apology …. BUT They still haven’t answered the question Francis asked!

What's with the watches? It's gotta be symbolic for something. Any ideas? There's not chance that 3 man sit down with arms on the table all wearing watches on their left hand

what is the church according to what Hank Hanegraaff is saying? Is aninstitution, organization? Or is it an Organisim as I've come to believe it is

It seems that the real presence of Christ is different than the body and blood of Christ being in the communion elements. The body of Christ is the church and where 2 or more are gathered there He is in the midst of them. Isn’t that what the scripture says?

Francis Chan needs to connect with Joshua Charles and read the writings of the Church Fathers, the first 300 years, before the Bible was put together by the Catholic Church. Francis Chan I can tell was so confused here because he studied the Bible by himself and all he knows was from the Bible.

Propensity for Sin? Does this mean that committing sin is inevitable? This would seem to negate the power of the good by the gift of grace, not giving in to temptation.

The identity message is a better view of God

God-thank for the differences in faith and doctrines, so the sheep have choise, to not be beaten-up by some self-glorifieing leaders, . It is for freedom that the Son has set us free,.

What do you mean there are to be divisions? Pierh The Apostle had to write in a pistol about the divisions between the body during his time. If we are all one body we agree on the same thing.

The new Sanhedrin,those who are posting lists of false teachers and naming certain preachers as being false, remind me of the Sanhedrin which claimed Jesus was a false teacher Now the Lord is purging the church in the West and preachers are being exposed as false in word and character as the prophets in Jeremiah’s and Ezekiel’s time were. Hyper Grace says we are not under law, yet the promise says that God would give us new hearts and write His law on them,and give us new desires to love and obey Him.

what about salvation docterine?

I just looked up Ecumenism. I saw a picture of different denominations. No. I'm a nobody, for the record, we are to be united 'in love'; in the love of God, come as you are, as men, no uniform, no title, no rank, no denomination, just men who love God because of, and through Jesus God's Christ/Messiah. Not as Ecumenismists but through Yahoshea (the God who saves His people) 'the' way(Jn14v6), 'the' truth(Jn1v1), and 'the' life(Jn17v3&1Jn5v11). One God, One Lord&Saviour, One Spirit, one people in Christ we are because He is. HalleluYAH. Amen. Edit: Yeah, it's so sad, we are spirit entwined in a jar of clay, we won't see us for what we are. Easy for me to be a keyboard warrior, Jesus said 'few shall be saved', so let's strive to die for the few for His name's sake.

This exact topic of the extent of ecumenicism is what was Francis Chan's great downfall. I pray for this man. I think the work of Justin Peters is excellent in the regards of proper ecumenicism.

@redpond77

3 жыл бұрын

Downfall? You are so quick to judge. The Lord rebuke you for speaking so carelessly.

@CrackkedMycelium

3 жыл бұрын

@@redpond77 I can only guess why you would assume how quickly I came to this conviction. I used to revere this man, his passion is admirable. The Bible speaks clearly against ecumenism with false doctrine. You may not know this, but Francis Chan is a sympathizer with Roman Catholics and has prayed with them, and ate with them and wishes all denominations to join together and unite, DESPITE doctrinal impossibility. This ideology is satanic. Love is not greater than truth, such subjectively based worship opens the door to fellowshipping with sin. I'm not saying that Chan declares all of these things, but he fellowships with those who do these things, including new age churches posing as Christianity that teach AGAINST fear of the Lord, and teach that God SUPPORTS YOU IN ALL THAT YOU DO, they worship like they are LOVE DRUNK!! (Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation...) self righteous perverts 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 KJV I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [[Catholic idolatry and self-righteous sinners]] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

@George-ur8ow

Жыл бұрын

@@CrackkedMycelium LOL you literally add your own personal interpretation to this scripture. Are yoh Pope Isaac Moore?

Thank you for putting this debate online ! Brother Chane, with these two other brothers ! The ground of salvation is the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ through the Gospel that is contained in the Holy Bible ! The original Christian church came from Jerusalem where Jesus died and 50 days latter on the day of Pentecost was where the Church of Jesus Christ came from ! The conversion of Saul, on the road to Damascus and his conversion to resurrected Christ, took the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentile world ! When Paul, wrote to the new Christians in the city of Rome ! This is not the church that became the Roman Catholic church ! This church came from Constantine who moved the Roman capital to the east, latter on this capital was called Constantinople around 321-329 AD ! Christian history says that the Roman Catholic church came in to existence from the date 538AD and lasted till 1798 ! The Roman Catholic Church came about by the union of Roman Paganism and church apostate tradition! This is where the Papacy came from ! The death of Peter crucified upside down because he said he was not worthy to die like his Lord ! And the great Apostle Paul, was martyred by beheading ! So in retrospect, the Apostolic church from Jesus Christ never never came from the city of Rome ! It came from Jerusalem and from Syria through Paul’s ministry ! What came from the city of Rome, was what Paul, said would come from here ! “ The following away” that where the name identified the Anti-Christ system of falsehood came from :- Vati= means City Can= means Serpent Do I need to cover this any further ! This church system has a historical time duration of 1,260 years- honest historians call it the :- “ the Dark Ages” why ? The Holy Spirit was taken away from this false system that the enemy of God and man had set up ! I may have got something wrong ! But European church history does not lie !

Lol when Francis pushed back on the list (as he should) I lol'd cuz Hank already said it came from the early Christians and scripture

*Q: What is the key to Christian unity?* *A: Jesus Christ.* We walk by faith, not by sight. If we believe that Christ's body is not unified and that it is *_our_* responsibility to fix this, then we do not understand who Christ is. Jesus is not wringing His hands up in heaven day after day, worrying about disunity in His church...but rather *_all things_* are just as He wants them to be, for God is Sovereign, and as such He is *NEVER* out of control! Therefore, what happens to the body of Christ is up to Christ Himself, the head of the body...just as your arms, legs, hands and feet all move by the control of your head. Instead of being distracted by the strange notion of trying to artificially create unity within the body of Christ, which is NOT our responsibility, let us instead focus on what *_actually is_* our responsibility... _"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature..."_

@daviocampi6951

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Mike in what you have written that Jesus is in control of His church. The question is what kind of gospel are we sharing? For years I was taught to bring people to church to get them right with God, effectively I was conscripted to a 'works gospel'. Many years later the Lord through disillusionment with that church, brought me into a relationship with Him through grace. He taught me my security is not with other people but in Christ Alone through the Words of God. I don't work to gain God's approval, I know now to Whom I belong. I have been set free to live for Him and share that freedom in Christ, rather than following men peddling a work's gospel.

@mbgrafix

3 жыл бұрын

@@daviocampi6951 People need to grasp the concept of Jesus' analogy regarding good fruit and bad fruit. People read the words in the Bible, but then COMPLETELY miss it! Let me break it down... An apple tree produces apples, because of what it IS...it IS an apple tree. An orange tree produces oranges, because of what it IS...it IS an orange tree. If you hang apples on a pine tree, it does not then become an apple tree...it is STILL only a pine tree...with some phony apples hanging on it. Now that you understand that, apply it to Christianity... Getting drunk does not send you to hell. Committing adultery does not send you to hell. Practicing Satanism does not send you to hell. Being a sinner sends you to hell. Being a Christian sends you to Heaven. You cannot become a Christian by changing your behavior (stop swearing, drinking, stealing, lying etc...) anymore than a pine tree can become an apple tree by hanging apples on it. If you truly are a Christian, your NATURE will change. Apple trees produce apples because it is their NATURE! Christians abhor sin and produce good works because that is their NATURE. This is why Jesus said you must be born again. You must have a new NATURE. The only way a pine tree can NATURALLY produce apples is to BECOME an apple tree. So, if you think you are a Christian, but you commit unrepentant sin without a deep sorrow of heart, and struggle at good works, do not try to remedy the problem by "working harder to act like a Christian". Instead, get born again...have Jesus (figuratively speaking) change you from a pine tree to an apple tree. Then, you will be a new creature, with a new nature, and then abhorring sin and committing good works will be the NATURAL byproduct (fruit) of your new nature...your new birth! Then, just make sure that your new apple tree gets plenty of sun (Son), water (Living Water...Holy Spirit) and nutrients (the Word), so that it will be strong, healthy and bear much fruit!

@Joshua-ws8pf

2 жыл бұрын

But, I guess the practical question to that is the HOW is Jesus wanting to build His Church?? For Protestant unity I do believe its a heart is, it's partnering together to advance and plant churches together and not building whole systems and institutions out of distinctives

@Joshua-ws8pf

2 жыл бұрын

A Biblical concept of a council is a representation of that visible unity

[John 14:6 KJV] 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [Galatians 3:20 KJV] 20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one. [1 Timothy 2:5 KJV] 5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Sola scriptura: Matthew 15:3 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

@emmanuelmasih2296

3 жыл бұрын

@@carnation63 the ancient church was wrong and the scripture was right...

@emmanuelmasih2296

3 жыл бұрын

@@carnation63 the church did not put the scriptures together... 😂😂😂😂😂 The old testament scriptures existed way before the boy raping cult of Rome was even around. Whatever was accepted as new testament canon was accepted on the basis of its conformance to the old testament...

@emmanuelmasih2296

3 жыл бұрын

@@carnation63 😂😂😂😂😀 maybe you have reading comprehension issues... Read what I typed again.... The harlot of Rome and her children break most of the commandments of the old testament starting from the forbidding of graven images .....

@emmanuelmasih2296

3 жыл бұрын

@@carnation63 the old testament stands by itself and the new testament on the old testament.... The church did nothing... 😂😂😂😂😀 Other than killing millions of believers throughout history....

@emmanuelmasih2296

3 жыл бұрын

@@carnation63 😂😂😂😂😂 yeah right, carry on kissing your stone idol statues.... Neither pope nor priest can forgive sin, only the finished work of Christ on the cross can save. Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

The word Church is the Biblical Greek language means Translated in our modern English “ The called out ones” in the Book of Acts, “ The Way” and in Antioch “ Christian “. The Christian church came out of Roman Paganism and out of Judaism ! All through the life and death and resurrection of the Son of God, who said about his Kingdom :- “ My kingdom is not of this world” ! It does come in the framework of the Empire of Rome or the subjection of Israel unto the Eagle of Rome of the Cesars ! The early first century church from the Apostles came out of these powers of Political and Religious and Pagan entities ! The book of Revelation with the four horses speak about this through both Bible Prophecy and history:- the white horse was the first century church from the Apostles! It was white and pure ! Just look at the next horses Red colour that reflects Persecution! ! Black which represents The following away or Apostasy ! And a pale horse which points to the “ Dark Ages” - 538-1798; the Papal rulership for 1,260 years ! Just as the Lord Jesus, said about all this “ the Scriptures cannot be broken” ! Amen and Amen

Church-doctrines are just a frame-work, so The Holy Spirit can operate, . He operates always beyound what the church could accomplisch and establisch, . He will mess-up each holy halo-vision, until Gods Glory is revealed in the Fullness of Christ, ,. trough spiritual maturity in the statue of Christ, . Church is just a setting so it an be realized,. Each church does it on their own level of insight, and faith,.

Intriguing. I’m ignorant so forgive me but didn’t the early church become the Church of Rome with all its blasphemies. Or is this about early church fathers/doctrine pre RC?

@chrisso35

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, very ignorant. There is no pre Catholic.

@lawzy1921

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisso35 wooooow there. No need to be offensive. There is no way the RC church is the church that was in place just after Jesus’ death and resurrection. A pope and cardinals, nuns, rosaries and all the smells and bells came in hundreds of years later. The Nicene creed came in around 325AD. Then the RC church corrupted the word of God and we were not set free from its heresies until the reformation in the 1500s. They don’t even see Jesus as God! But hey, thanks for replying.

@chrisso35

2 жыл бұрын

@@lawzy1921 do some research. It’s the universal church. Which of the 30,000 denominations of Martin Luther are you aligned with?

@lawzy1921

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisso35 why align to churches that have false doctrine? Not for me. I’ll stick to the truth.

THE BREAD COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND SAYS EAT MY FLESH DRINK MY BLOOD

who founded Catholic Church?, Jesus himself. And who founded that Protestant sect round the corner? Some neighbor after prison, he states that God speaks to him every night...my God!!!

Why is it that they continue to refer to the traditions of men forgetting that that was the problem to begin with found throughout the Old Testament and even into the New Testament. Romans chapter 8 talks about how we couldn’t do what we needed to do to get us in the right standing with God so He sent His Son to do what we couldn’t. We don’t follow traditions we follow Christ. That is referred to in Mark chapter 7, the entire letter to the church of Galatia, Corinthians, and many others. Just as the sacrifices in the Old Testament were never physically God so also is communion not physically God. Nor does the water actually wash away sin but Christ’s atoning sacrifice. Those are outward signs of an inward change. Just like Paul writes at the end of Romans chapter 2.

Well, we all received Jezus Christ and/as the Holy Spirit in our heart, dont we? And what do you think they are doeing there? Discussing what doctrine is the true one? The Holy Spirit teaches us all truth, He never changed unto Eternity,. The holy Spirit in us will reveal what is true of a church. Induviduals are allowed to attract as much followers possible, and the Holy Spirit will correct and direct the course to follow, from day to day, .All days are Eternal in Christ.

Thus is good, Francis is going somewhere, but they're trying to burry him with too much talking.

Unity in the church only applies to the church. The error is trying to be unified with those ideologies that are not of Christ. We cannot and should not be unified with others when error is sufficient to damn those who ascribe to those beliefs. In this conversation there are heresies that would damn those who received them as truths. Believing that one must continuously sacrifice Christ literally in an ongoing manner (error) means that Christ’s sacrifice was not once and for all. Christ’s recrucifixion must be facilitated by priests (error). To say that Christ is subject to priests and must come down to be sacrificed again at each Eucharist (error) is to say that Christ is not “[21] far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.” Christ is subject to the will of the priest in the administration of the Eucharist (error). It means that when Christ proclaimed that “it is finished” He was not speaking about His atonement (error). This is a terrible heresy and is damning in its nature. Christ’s work was finished on Calvary and He sat down and the right hand of the Majesty on High because His work of atonement is complete! No further sacrifice is ever required for salvation. Ever. The belief that the Eucharist or that any other sacrament imparts saving grace is error of the highest order! That is never what Christ taught. Only an insidious errant interpretation of scripture could teach millions of people to believe that salvation comes by any other means than faith alone in Christ alone, and His finished work on Calvary. Nothing I DO is going to keep me saved. I can’t add grace to my life. Grace is given by God alone so that He is glorified in it! The work is Christ’s and ALL of my hope and guarantee of salvation flows from that free gift. It is not of men! Christ’s work is done once and for all. He distinguishes Himself from the bulls and goats which had to be continuously offered. He was offered once because He is THE offering! Hebrews 9:12 NKJV [12] Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. Hebrews 10:4 NKJV [4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. To say that Christ is continuously sacrificed is to say that His sacrifice was not sufficient on Calvary. It is to say that men must continuously do something to maintain their salvation. This is opposed to the word of God. No one should ever be united with this. Ever. There should NOT be unity with this because this is not of Christ, not of the church, and damns people to hell. Claiming to be a member of the church or to be a worshipper of God does not make one a member of the Body of Christ or a worshipper of God. Being able to quote a variety of scripture or cite one’s own doctrine with clarity and precision does not make one a Christian. Jesus could NOT be united with the Pharisees or Sadducees because their essential doctrine and teaching were in direct opposition to the Person and Work of Christ. They claimed to worship YHWH. But by ignoring Jesus and His work, they rejected the only Way to worship the Father - The Son. They rejected the Truth. They did not receive or continue in His word! They preferred their own interpretation of scripture! Moreover, they wrote their own doctrine and gave it equal or greater weight than the scripture itself. The rabbinical teaching of the scripture became the emphatic and weightier proof, rather than the scripture itself. The opinions of the fathers of the day became sacrosanct and the scripture was left as “something too holy to be interpreted by or understood by the common man.” This is much of what occurs in this age. Even in this video, error is being touted as truth. I don’t believe that it is being done with malicious intent, but the theology is not of Christ and it is not found in His word. Accidental poisoning still leads to death. That’s my concern. Here is a video about unity in the church. I believe that the first responsibility is to see who IS the church. Jesus gives a test for this: 1 John 2:3-6 NKJV [3] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [4] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. [6] He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. The Word of God is the only proof we will ever have as a means of distinguishing who belongs to Christ and who doesn’t. Those who follow Christ’s teachings are the church. Those who follow other teachings or the traditions of men that vary from the teachings of Christ, however well intentioned, are not. There can be no unity with Christ’s church and error that damns. Anything that circumvents the redemptive Person and Work of Christ, as expressed in Biblical truth, is damning. The essential of Christianity is this: Who Jesus is, What Jesus did, and who/what we are in relationship to His salvific work. That’s it. All statements, interpretation, are doctrine that modify, nullify, or lessen Christ and His Person or work are to be utterly rejected. There can be no unity with that. Ever. That is the working of Satan in the world. It appears in this age in much the same way. Additions to the word of God included as scripture. Men making themselves co-equal with God on earth. Men ascribing perfection to an elected official who speaks on behalf of God, without error, whether or not those statements directly come into conflict with the true and valid meaning of scripture. Men using early church practices as a means of determining biblical truth, rather than relying upon the whole counsel of God - scripture to interpret scripture. Eisegesis rather than exegesis. While not all error condemns, some does. It’s important to make that distinction and first decide if the people with whom we are seeking unity belong to God in the first place. After that, we can begin to seek unity through discussing doctrine, searching scripture together, and knowing that we are united in the person and work of Christ but don’t yet fully know each of the details. So much of scripture can be known, though. So, we have to be careful to avoid the other extreme of not having a biblical stance for the sake of constructing harmony. In truth, true harmony cannot come in all its fullness until the Lord returns. We should aim for it but be united in the hopeful expectation that God will bring all truth when he comes (John 4).

I understand that the key here is humility. But I don't think the bible is multiple choice. There seems to be a danger here of not standing firm in biblical Truth. The bible tells us that there are false teachers and it tells us to rightly divide the Word of God (2 Timothy 2:15). So if someone is clearly in error about eternal security (which is biblical), or is water baptism necessary for salvation, or do we keep the Sabbath or not, or if we are under the Mosaic law to pay tithes, then I'm inclined to return to what the bible says. There is a room for grace and patience with someone who doesn't understand, but can there be room to simply not stand firm with what it says? I don't think so.

Everything you profess should be able to be backed by scripture in bible it’s not this complicated. We as intelligent humans like to apply philosophy to theology is a mistake that separates the church. Too much motivational speakers in the church. Trust the Bible and the holy scriptures that are written works that are divine inspiration direct from god. No need to reinvent the wheel. Jesus told his disciples on this rock I build my church. Emphasize the word “my” it is Jesus church so just follow his teachings. The problem arises when people stray from the Bible. Bible centered is what should be taught. Beware of pastors that talk too much without Bible. Everything they say should be backed by Bible. “Everything”

The Reformation was kind of a big thing

@johnflorio3576

Жыл бұрын

Yes. A big mistake.

Go back to the jewishness of the gospel. In the beginning. Yeshua never stopped being Jewish and God’s Word is the torah, tanauch. In the New Testament which was written after and the disciples, the followers all were taught by the Jewish disciples. Constantine changed God’s sabbath and the mixture began. Study

"Ecumenicism" What then shall we partake of their sin? Shall we hold hands with blasphemers aka Mormons, and idolaters aka Catholics? God forbid, rather rebuke them sharply in front of the church. Be ye holy as your father in heaven is holy.

@squarevinyl

3 жыл бұрын

@@completoencristo9130 hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah.

Francis let’s not use the term Eucharist for a start..Hank we all have a sin nature, not a broken gene. We will receive glorification, but not deification. Too many problematic statements here, that are unqualified by Hank. Some of this is quite troublesome.

@lisalmenard3828

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. I was tracking with Francis, but this trio seems weird. It doesn’t seem to include a lot of other viewpoints. I have liked Francis’s focus on going directly to the Scriptures for his beliefs, but I’m not so sure now if he is the same. HH seems way too obsessed with the Orthodox Church and not focused enough on the Scriptures. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is our leader and guider into all truth and there is no man needed to teach the truth. Certainly not filtering the scriptures by what the “church fathers” (not the Biblical NT fathers) say. I hope he doesn’t turn Orthodox.

@lisalmenard3828

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Eucharist is not a Biblical term.

@lisalmenard3828

3 жыл бұрын

And why would we need to take the Eucharist to receive and become partakers of His divine nature? The scriptures say that by becoming born again and having the Holy Spirit coming to live in and abide inside of us, we become partakers of the divine nature. To me, that train of thought is an insult to the Holy Spirit. To say that the real presence of Christ comes from eating the bread and drinking the wine??? When we have God Himself, His Spirit, living in us! Doesn’t He qualify as the real presence of Christ? If so, why would we need to receive his nature by taking communion.

@George-ur8ow

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@@lisalmenard3828 "ευχαριστησας” pronounced "eucharistos" in the koine Greek, the language of the new testament, is found in Luke 22:19. I'm amazed at a lot of the ignorance showed from protestants commenting on this video. 99% of you have not even taken 10 minutes to look into Orthodoxy. Humble yourselves!

Chan Hank and others who turn away from the gospel..this is the true sign of Apostasy

What is the Protestant's obsession with individuality? It's such an outmoded Western ideal. Adam & Eve's OG sin was their desire to de-couple themselves from God and make choices on their own. Individuality is literally the Original Sin.

@itsnow2023

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Because God always uses individuals to build His Kingdom, until we all come into the unity of the faith, it was always an individuals "experience" or encounter with God that propelled the church further.

@saxon6749

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@@itsnow2023 God using individuals to build his kingdom and the Western obsession with rabid individuality are not the same things.

@itsnow2023

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@@saxon6749i don't think anyone wants to isolate themselves individuals will have questions, Mr. Chans study was always inclusive as he had to rely on tools he didn't create, will there be disagreements yes but more likely than not if you're seeking truth you'll realise you aren't the only individual with similar questions and answers.

Hank missed doctrine of the Bible and the doctrine of salvation. Odd for the “Bible answer man.” The arrogance on display here of disregarding those who would think as the Bereans is astonishing. Pray Hank returns to the Faith and stops evangelizing another gospel.