Japanese pronunciation lessons: www.patreon.com/dogen Video on Aspiration: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3ikpZaQc5rfaM4.html

So what I learnt from this is: -My japanese Ts have been naturally perfect. -I've been mispronouncing the english T for the last 24 years... Alas, the pros and cons of being hispanic...

@s888r

2 жыл бұрын

The Dravidian dental 't' and 'd' are the same as the Spanish 't' and 'd'. This amazed me as Español is much closer to English than the Dravidian languages.

@neonch1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m Romanian and C2 in English but no matter how much I struggle I can’t hear the difference lol

@teamcanaloficial8358

2 жыл бұрын

I'm also Hispanic, i learned that my Japanese T's were also naturally perfect And i can also Pronounce the English T, the aspirated T, and it's easy, i can hear the difference between the 2 use the 2 at free will, And well my English sounds like that of a white anglo native speaker, so like the best of the best Ngl sometimes feel like my English is better than my Spanish even if i live in Mexico because i use the internet way more than interact with people irl (English is by far the language i most use on the internet, and I'm extremely introverted and don't have any social interaction irl, so all of it is online and therefore in English)

@martinevans8984

2 жыл бұрын

For what it's worth, I speak British English and the position of my tongue is the same as in the Japanese T. The aspiration is sorta different, but yeah: it's not a universal rule in English pronunciation.

@sk8_bort

2 жыл бұрын

I can do both... Wrong (sunglasses emoji)

Being Spanish native speaker... Japanese "T"s are extremely easy

@sebass_9212

2 жыл бұрын

Came to say the same thing

@RizuSama

2 жыл бұрын

Same for the r sounds and a few others

@Im-BAD-at-satire

2 жыл бұрын

I am not Spanish yet there's aspects of Japanese speaking that comes easy for me, for example I can make the ら、り、る、れ、ろ with ease, then again I can roll my Rs as well. I grew up around cats which I'd make an R roll to call them quiet frequently.

@joshttale

2 жыл бұрын

y'all I'm a native English/Heritage Spanish speaker but I just realized I don't have an American English "T" placement but a Spanish one, like I tried saying "Ted" and my tongue was NOT where Dogen said it would be (which might explain why I trip over some words despite it being my first language lol). but hey, at least it's helpful when learning Japanese pronunciation~

@hinamatsuro1908

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshttale Lucky

Luckily for us French people, the "T" sound is the same as the Japanese. The tongue placement is identical, the tip touches the back of the upper teeth. But I have to thank you because I learnt how to improve my "T" sound when speaking English!

@ChristinaTalbott-Clark

2 жыл бұрын

And now I can also improve my French pronunciation! Merci bien! 😊

@TheMarionettePlaysGamez

2 жыл бұрын

Spanish is pretty much the same as well for T's.

@CGSiino

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMarionettePlaysGamez I was about to mention the same thing

@tsandman

2 жыл бұрын

So I'm *NOT* crazy... (yet)

@SwedenTheHedgehog

2 жыл бұрын

Same for Swedish, I’m pretty sure!

I've been pronouncing the English ”t" like the Japanese "t" my whole entire life lmao

@johannesziaether3916

2 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@Gadottinho

2 жыл бұрын

Same... Either I pronounce it as an R or a normal T

@davidelectrictreadmillguy

2 жыл бұрын

every european except uk can relate

@Charlie59876

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidelectrictreadmillguy except im from the uk and do the same thing lmfao

@davidelectrictreadmillguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Charlie59876 oh ok

I use the Japanese “itte” and “chotto” as examples to show the difference in T’s to English speakers. Those words cannot pass as Japanese with the English T sound, so it usually brings some around quicker

@BerryBearBeaver

2 жыл бұрын

Great tip! The Japanese T is something I picked up after hearing it enough but this makes it super easy to notice right away!

@TWMASTER200

2 жыл бұрын

Saying them both right now I've noticed my T has been correct for itte but wrong for chotto. Very interesting find.

@alexprus7953

2 жыл бұрын

@@TWMASTER200 same here

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx

2 жыл бұрын

But that brings in gemination which makes it 2 steps removed from English. Not a very direct minimal pair style of comparison.

@leeviezz

2 жыл бұрын

Youd be surprised at how much ive tried to teach my mom to say ittekimasu and it comes out with the wrong t sound tho 😅 But yes i think if youre the one learning japanese these are perfect examples!

日本語ネイティブにとっても、英語の発音の勉強になるわ

I'm a Spanish native speaker fluent in English and Japanese. The Spanish t is, as far as I'm aware, the same as the Japanese t. So this particular phoneme was never a problem for me in Japanese. The funny thing is that, even though I've spoken English ever since I was 10 and I'm at least as comfortable with it as I am with Spanish, and even though I can aspirate my stops (p, t, k) with no problem in English, I'm still completely unable to say the English t in the "correct" tongue position without overshooting and pronouncing an Indian retroflex t instead. So my English t's are the ones that are slightly off, at least according to all the mouth diagrams I've ever seen, but luckily it's not as noticeable as the lack of aspiration, and thus my accent is not (that) terrible.

@copypasta1585

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a native speaker of Bangla, and when I was learning Spanish, I noticed that in Bangla we also have the same 't' sound. It made both Spanish and Japanese pronunciation a little easier to learn. Funnily enough, Bangla also has a retroflex 't' in addition

@nikumeru

2 жыл бұрын

The Greek T is the same too, I wonder if it's the same in Italian humu humu. I never noticed before but when I switch to English my Ts switch too, other letters too.

@hopperhelp1

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Portuguese (then again we share the same lingual family). I’m Brazilian so we share most of the same sounds as Japanese. Spanish is the same too. It’s pretty cool isn’t it?

@Jemppu

2 жыл бұрын

A Finn here. Same to our T too.

@Cathryn39

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a heritage Spanish speaker and when learning Japanese, I noticed that a lot of the consonants (and I think most or all of the vowels) in spanish were either very similar or identical to their Japanese counterparts. Thinking of it this way made pronunciation easier I think.

As a French person, this actually taught me that my english T sound was wrong :'D

@Dekross

2 жыл бұрын

Same, this was helpful for me but in the inverse way lol

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

The good thing about English beating French on the global stage overall, is that rap crap is more in Stinklish than in wonderful French.

@Cephlin

2 жыл бұрын

As an English person, this actually taught me that my english T sound was wrong :'D - ORRRRRR the video is just wrong

Today I learned that I make my Ts in English more like a Japanese speaker. (I already knew I did that with F/V thanks to losing my two front baby teeth long before my adult teeth came in.)

Luckily, some languages have both types of the Ts as their main alphabets. Using Thai as an example, we have "ท" as the equivalent to the English T and "ต" as the equivalent to the Japanese T.

@aswin8c595

2 жыл бұрын

Same in Hindi and many other Indian languages Edit: actually I didnt mean the English version... I meant its equivalent in these languages (retroflex and retroflex aspirated [both voiced and unvoiced])

@paper2222

2 жыл бұрын

me being thai: :D

@lotus630

2 жыл бұрын

dang, I've been struggling with the Thai pronunciation I need to try this

@LadyPelikan

2 жыл бұрын

Wow!

@caiomaida3630

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that sounds like a hard distinction to make in a casual conversation. Are they actually different or just different ways of pronouncing "t"? For example, are there words that are only different because of these sounds (like "time" and "thyme", pronounced the same except for the inicial sound)?

What blows my mind is that I'm nowhere near fluent in Japanese, yet somehow I still subconsciously picked up on this subtlety and have been using it without realizing it; that is until now. Linguistics is a trip.

@formicidaeinc.8075

2 жыл бұрын

Same, but with English

@1337slic3

2 жыл бұрын

Same for me. There are a few other pronunciation quirks in Japanese I've unknowingly picked up on as well.

As an American, I just learned I've been pronouncing the English T the way you described the Japanese T. According to some Spanish speakers' comments, the Spanish T is the same as in Japanese, and I had a lot of exposure to Spanish as a child, so maybe that influenced me.

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

Your last name seems German. Lots in the US have German ancestry. German is way better than English. I like it more than Spanish, and that's my native language. But Latin is cooler-

@StellariumBeauty

2 жыл бұрын

I'm canadian and apparently ive been pronouncing t's the japanese way too. I've had some french classes and one spanish class but thats not enough to have influenced the way i speak english

@samuelwaller4924

2 жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei kk, have fun with your 14 genders or cases or whatever

@talavb9301

Жыл бұрын

I have Indian heritage, Indian alphabets actually have multiple T sounds. So English T, Japanese T, other T sounds, I switch fluidly between them depending on whom I'm talking to

@Eudora776

3 ай бұрын

Thats has nothing to do with the way they pronounce things​@scintillamdei5649

I would say that it's English "t" that sounds a bit unusual. The front placement of "t" is probably more common among different languages than the English language. I speak Russian, German and a tiny bit of Japanese besides English and they all have a similar "t" sound.

@michaelheliotis5279

2 жыл бұрын

It's not even English specifically, it's probably just American English. In New Zealand (and probably also South African) English, and whatever British accents we inherited it from, our T is also the same as in Japanese and many other languages. It's probably not unrelated to vowel placement, as NZE has more forward vowels whereas American English is more towards the rear and more open, which favours a more withdrawn tongue placement.

@flutterwind7686

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelheliotis5279 Most English accents have that "harder" t sound. NZE would be the outlier then. From what I see, initial T is not like the Japanese, unless you're Maori or something

@flutterwind7686

2 жыл бұрын

German can have the "english" T

@5cree

2 жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely right, it’s mainly just American English. The ‘front placement T’ in japanese is the same as my British English. :)

@annapauline1345

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the Norwegian "t" is like the English "t" aswell :) Atleast in my dialect. I'm not sure but that could also be the case for Swedish and Danish too.

Me singing a Japanese song after watching this video and realizing how bad my pronounciation is: 時効なんで "wait, I put my tongue in the wrong spot!" 時効なんてやってこない 奪ったように奪わでで "No, I messed up again!" 奪ったように奪われで "Ah, I can't move my tongue fast enough!" う・ば・わ・れ・て う・ば・わ・れ・て 奪われで "Why is this so hard?!"

@a0987789768

2 жыл бұрын

Ghost Role lol

Wow holy cow. I was unconsciously speaking somewhere between the Japanese T and the English T up until now. This helped bridge the gap to a more natural sounding T sound in Japanese. It makes total sense now! I noticed an improvement in my pronunciation immediately. As always, thank you Dogen!

@5cree

2 жыл бұрын

*American English lol The British T sound is the same as the Japanese T sound. Haha 😂

@JivanPal

2 жыл бұрын

@@5cree It is not.

@Aethid

Жыл бұрын

@@JivanPal Dental t and d sounds are very common in the UK.

@JivanPal

Жыл бұрын

@@Aethid Examples?

@Aethid

Жыл бұрын

@Jivan Pal The tongue position described in this video for the "Japanese t" is how *most* people in the UK pronounce their t most of the time. There is a bit of variation between speakers as to the exact tongue position, but the key difference compared to the true alveolar t is that the blade of the tongue is used rather than the tip, and the blade is in contact with the area in between the alveolar ridge and the teeth. The main difference between the (UK) English t and the French/Spanish t is that the English t is aspirated.

So that's why Asian people on early stage have better pronounciation. The tongue position for Asian's languages was much more natural compared to English words. Definitely good tips for people who wants more natural Japanese pronounciation!

@Saifyrooma2nd

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a bit confused what you mean by “more natural” here?

@TON._.N

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saifyrooma2nd I think they meant the way to pronounce Japanese T sounds is much more common in Asian languages, which makes them sound more natural to Japanese when they speak.

@Saifyrooma2nd

2 жыл бұрын

@@TON._.N But they said “Asian people [at an] early stage, as in, someone who’s a beginner in another language in this context, I assume? Not sure though

@MintySomething

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saifyrooma2nd yeah i think they meant that they catch on earlier when learning japanese and sound better at early learning stages than e.g. english speakers. like a polish speaker learning czech would start out with a better pronunciation than a french classmate i guess

@paper2222

2 жыл бұрын

that's why i have better pronunciation! i've been puzzling about this video and going "wait don't i already do this when i don't aspirate?" i'm a native thai, which means i already have natural distinction between tʰ and t, and sure enough, my [t] is denti-alveolar, or between the teeth and alveolar, and my [tʰ] is alveolar. he also said in his last last video about how "the u is unrounded," and i went "heh i can already do this" since thai has ɯ

Ah, cənab Dogen, artıq neçə ildir sizin maraqlı videolarınızla yapon dilimi inkişaf etdirirəm. Çox maraqlı və sadə açıqlayırsız. Amma mənə özümü "sadə şeyləri anlamayan səfeh" hiss etdirmirsiniz. Bunun üçün təşəkkür edirəm! ❤️

Thank you so much for these videos, Dogen. I am trying to improve my pronunciation and this type of video helps a lot.

Thank you! This series is helpful. I wish you a speedy recovery!

As a T, I can confirm that it is easy.

This is something I don't think I would have picked up on by myself, thank you for making this video!

This is amazing. I'm realizing now that I'd been actually doing this more or less automatically (I'm fairly good at mimicking and picking up on accents, sometimes without realizing it) but still never consciously realized there was actually any difference between the Japanese and English T sounds, and I certainly never would have been able to explain it to anyone else if you hadn't done it first, so this has been very helpful. I've already learned more from these first couple of short pronunciation videos than from a lot of other resources out there on the net. I'm so glad you decided to do these, and I'm really looking forward to more of them!

This is something I think ive naturally started doing unconsciously as i listened to native speech and tried to replicate it, but now that you've taught us the difference in tongue placement i think it will help me replicate the sound with more success, accuracy and consistency! Thank you and stay well!!

thank you much love Dogen. you are doing things right for us learners!

I'm a native Portuguese speaker and the "T" sound we use here is the one you described as Japanese. Actually, I would go as far as to say that the English's "T" sound is the odd one out. Besides, I find very curious for someone to not be able to differentiate between both sounds, because, at least for me, it is a pretty huge difference. When I switch my brain to English mode this is one of the most notable and automatic changes in speech.

@Liggliluff

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, you see, English is the default, and everyone speaks the English way unless it's a very important exception, such as being Japanese ;)

@merial7

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Liggliluff Untrue! Latin speakers as we can see still say words using the "Latin T" even in English, like Portuguese, Spanish, French etc.. ;) Just look through the comments.

I learn so much from your videos!

For me, it’s Spanish and Italian that have done the trick for me. I’ve always spoken Spanish and used to speak and am familiar with Italian. The t in both languages is the same (as Japanese), and doubled consonants in Italian are the same/very similar to those with chiisai tsu. It’s very funny to see how much of an outlier English is compared to other languages.

@Viljarms

2 жыл бұрын

Funny? Looking at english "phonetic text" makes me irritated. No respect for the actual letters.

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@Dogen

2 жыл бұрын

やめて

@blitzrohan

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dogen no

@OrangeC7

2 жыл бұрын

お茶

I've been molded by years of Japanese anime and speaking it even though I'm still not good at it. I was doing this without knowing, but I'm not very happy about that, because even if I can parrot the words, I still can't speak to someone else in Japanese without all my knowledge flying away.

@danielantony1882

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I have a randomly hard vocabulary. Very random cuz I didn't learn them intentionally through basics. So I forget a lot of things during a conversation.

@Telindra

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielantony1882 that's quite normal. You actually have to practice speaking in order for your brain to get comfortable and fluent with it. It'll help sure, to have a good vocabulary base to draw from. But, if you've spent 90% of your time with a language listening to it? You'll be great at understanding what's being said, but you wont be nearly half as good at writing or conversing in it. Reading out loud. Speaking to yourself. Thinking in the language. Those three won't require someone to converse with, and even though it might feel awkward initially. Especially the first two. It will help your brain practicing how to organizing itself, in that language, while speaking it and constructing sentences with the vocabulary you currently got.

As a native Vietnamese, what I learnt from this: - the Japanese T is pronunced just like the T in Vietnamese, so I'm pronuncing it right the "Japaneses way". I also used this pronuncitation when first learning Japanese because it's "natural" to me. - I've been pronuncing the english T the wrong way up until I went study abroad in the U.S, in when I unconciously got the right English pronunciation from listening to native English speakers. From then on my brain just switch pronunciation based on what language I'm speaking, without me realizing the difference.

Somehow never noticed this, super useful! Thanks!

This explains so much how ち is latinized as "chi" instead of "ti". With that more forward tongue placement, "chi" becomes more natural than "ti" to pronounce.

@Yotanido

2 жыл бұрын

That is an excellent point! It almost becomes ち on its own when trying to pronounce てぃ with this kind of T sound.

@rhythmmandal3377

2 жыл бұрын

Remember the british pronunce as "Chi-us daej" instead of "Ti us daej". Having a more forward position has nothing to do with it.

@ankushds7018

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but a lot of the Indian language speakers can comfortably say "ti" with the Japanese T... and we use it almost everyday.

@ankushds7018

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhythmmandal3377 what word are you talking about

@parism9302

2 жыл бұрын

@@ankushds7018 I think its Tuesday

fun fact, that is also the T for Spanish at least on Spain, not sure about Latin America, but probably applies too.

@OscarCastrodigital

2 жыл бұрын

yes, is the same in Latam spanish

@ThatReviewerGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@OscarCastrodigital Perfecto! Estaba casi seguro, pero no lo tenía del todo claro, porque vuestra pronunciación es más suave por lo general a mi parecer almenos.

This is extremely helpful! Thank you!

Thank you for the video!

As an Ukrainian and Russian native speaker, I can confirm that Japanese "T" is exactly the same as in Slavic languages.

@bruhhhhh1666

2 жыл бұрын

same it’s really easy to “recreate” japanese sounds when you know any slavic language i also noticed how english speakers can’t often say よ tho it’s like the easiest sоunds 🧍🏽

@luftwaffle3766

2 жыл бұрын

Ukrainian and russian...

@bruhhhhh1666

2 жыл бұрын

@@luftwaffle3766 ???

@JakubLeliel

2 жыл бұрын

Same for polish language

@user-vr1uh6jv3u

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakubLeliel właśnie napisałem, że to się odnosi do wszystkich jeżyków, którzy należą do grupy języków słowiańskich

What's interesting is that the "T" sound is also more dental in the stereotypical New York English (as is the "D" sound). This is coming from someone raised by Long Islanders.

@KingKafei

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I grew up on Long Island and definitely make t sounds in the more dental location.

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

Italian influence probably. Like Rudy Giuliani and Super Mario from Brooklyn.

@damianedward3

2 жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei Very likely. My mother's side is Italian. Though New York dialects have become so associated with Italian communities in pop culture, I've always wondered how much Italian influence there actually is.

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

@@damianedward3 I think Eye-talians have bigger eyes than most people, on average.

Great video, Dogen! Hope everything is going ok and you're getting better

Super useful tip! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

And now I'm wondering if it's because I speak a general form of Northern British English that I articulate the T the same way as in Japanese, or if it's just me "doing it wrong". Either's possible, it was only when I started learning Japanese that I realised I "pronounce R wrong" ; somehow I get a distinct r sound with a low tongue, lip and teeth placement somewhere between and

@ventusprocealle

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing with the T actually - also from more up North (Liverpool). Also wondered if I was just pronouncing it differently and didn't know but no, turns out it's a thing!

@saisyuumaho

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from slightly further south in England (east midlands), but my tongue position is extremely similar for both Japanese and English 'T' too. Or at least it is for initial 'T' before a vowel, anyway. Before 'R' it's high, and if it's in the middle of or at the end of a word it depends on the preceding/following sounds, though placement isn't usually much higher. The main difference I can tell is that I aspirate the English 'T' more than I do the Japanese one.

@coololi07

2 жыл бұрын

@@ventusprocealle yeah im from liverpool as well. I was actually pronouncing them the other way round, raising my tongue for the japanese pronounciation.

@MarkRosa

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a New Yorker and my T is Japanese-like as well.

@headfullofhyenas

2 жыл бұрын

Same here! I'm from Yorkshire and I wondered if I've been pronouncing my Ts wrong my entire life while watching this

Hmm, maybe listening to so much Japanese just allowed me to move my tongue in the right way when I would replicate the sounds. I was a little worried I was doing it wrong this whole time!

Glad u made a vid for this, i noticed it has a difference before and ive been searching for resources on how to say the japanese t

Wow this was really interesting. Thanks for sharing!

I've noticed this, but couldn't put my finger on what it was. The only way I had of explaining it was that the Japanese 't' sound had a tiny bit of a 'd' sound and a tiny bit of a 'th' sound. Thanks for the video!

@s888r

2 жыл бұрын

The Japanese counterparts of English unvoiced consonants (t, k, ch, p, f, sh, s, h) are all very slightly voiced due to the presence of a vowel or a nasal consonant (voiced) before and after them. That's why you perceive the Japanese 't' as a slightly voiced 'd'. Same phenomenon with the Dravidian languages: we very often add vowels after consonants.

This was awesome, because I actually learn also how to pronounce better the “t” in English…I’m a Spanish speaker and I just realized that I have been pronouncing that sound already like in Japanese, but wrong in English 😅😂

@marcperez8808

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, a video to improve ur japanese is actually helping me with my english ^^'

You are awesome!! Thank you!

I love this sort of content.

This vid is totally legit, blew my mind! I’m a native speaker of Jap/Eng and had never given this a second thought since on paper they’re written the same, but just now realized that my tongue positions and sounds are completely different when I switch between Jap and Eng to say words with the “T” sound. Maybe this is why Japanese people have a hard time pronouncing “Th.” The Jap “T” sound is physically further from “Th” compared to the Eng “T” sound (tongue is further back).

@TheOGJeff

2 жыл бұрын

My American 'T' placement is where the Japanese 'T' is LOL. Also, I've heard that resting the tongue in the place where a natural Japanese 'T' is gives a better jaw structure

@sertaki

2 жыл бұрын

That jaw thing sounds extremely unscientific

@penttikoivuniemi2146

2 жыл бұрын

"Th" is completely different from both English and Japanese "T" though. You have your tongue in between your teeth when you say it.

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't he just say that the English /t/ is the one that is on the alveolar ridge and the Japanese /t/ is the one between the alveolar ridge and teeth? The /θ/ or /ð/ (the 'th' sound) is where you put your tongue under the teeth. So Japanese /t/ is actually closer than English /t/ to the /θ/ If we go from teeth to back we see the order is: /θ/ > Japanese /t/ > English /t/

@Zeehee-tm9wg

2 жыл бұрын

You are not Japanese and you never will be, so stop pretend to be Japanese and a "native speaker". Your profile picture further proves you are very likely to be an American who has never stepped foot in Japan. Come back when you can speak about politics in Japanese, you silly weeaboo.

Oh my god... I learned Japanese as a 2nd language when I was a child, and I've been using the Japanese T my entire life?! My mind is broken now, thank you Dogen-san.

This explains soooo muchhhhh!!! 😨😨😨😨 thank you so much!!!!

Thanks for this, really cool insight. Going to be conscious of every T sound for a week, but probably worth it.

My native language is Māori (from New Zealand), we have a combination of either T sounds. For Ta Te and To, it's the same as japanese, but Ti and Tu sound a little more like Tsi and Tsu.

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

When you go to the bathroom, do you practice the Haka face?

@Blariblary

2 жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei Hell yea I do, it's called a pūkana 😝

@scintillam_dei

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blariblary Super saiyan face.

English speakers do have it rough when it comes to the pronunciation, havn't thinked about that before, good luck to y'all srsly o: (as a French native, i feel blessed to already have every sounds that the Japanese language can offer without having to worry about it www)

@eletricsaberman8916

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I'm just glad we don't have it as rough as native Japanese speakers trying to learn English

@AniMin82

2 жыл бұрын

I speak Flemish Dutch, which is heavily influenced by French, and I feel the same.

@breakdking

2 жыл бұрын

There's might be a bias there; just looking at the phonology pages on Wikipedia for Japanese and French, it looks like there are plenty of differences and sounds that differ between the two languages

@anonymous38741

2 жыл бұрын

the french t is not the same as the japanese t...

@anonymous38741

2 жыл бұрын

just say "toto" and you'll see the french t tongue placement is not the same as the japanese one.

なるほど！勉強になります😉

You drop so much GOLD, man!! Be well.

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I saw the title, tried "ta" as i would in English, then tried "dattebayo" and realized yeah it is a bit different. Also i shortly realized d has the exact same tongue position as t in both languages. It's always cool to know more precisely the mechanics and differences between the languages

@LadyPelikan

2 жыл бұрын

That's because D and T are the "same" consonant, the difference is that D is tonal and T atonal. Feel your larynx while you say them, and the difference should be obvious.

@eletricsaberman8916

2 жыл бұрын

@@LadyPelikan yup, though you have proper words for it lol. I just called it "with some throat movement" and left it at that. Of course this helps with how obvious it is that the " marks on kana turn t into d, but after noticing "throat movement", i realized that b from h fits better than i initially thought

@LadyPelikan

2 жыл бұрын

@@eletricsaberman8916 Actually I was a bit bummed about the h -> b. B should pair up with p. Sorry, I didn't use proper terms. "Tone" is quite different. Here we are talking about voiced and aspirated/voiceless consonants. I actually found what h pairs up with: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_glottal_fricative

@twistedphantom6834

2 жыл бұрын

@@LadyPelikan The h sound actually used to be p until it evolved and became ɸ and eventually merged with h.

@LadyPelikan

2 жыл бұрын

@@twistedphantom6834 Sounds interesting. In what language ?

Thanks for the info! Tongue placement is very important!

I've been trying to fix my T's for years and you just did it in three minutes 😭 THANK you.

As a Swedish native speaker the Swedish t and Japanese t is more or less identical. But as you explained regarding tongue position I realised that my tongue is where it should be 🤗

@tiredko-hi-

2 жыл бұрын

Inadvertently, as a Swedish native, this helped me correct my tongue position when speaking English :D

@neonch1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiredko-hi- can you tell any difference between these sounds? I can’t at all.

@tiredko-hi-

2 жыл бұрын

@@neonch1 The English T doesn't sound as sharp to me. also feels like it has a lower pitch, but I'm not sure. But I can definitely hear the difference, just not that clearly. My 'T's when I spoke English before learning this just sounded off to me, didn't know the difference.

My dumbass has been pronouncing the japanese T since the start lmao

thanks for uploading this helpful video. Hope your treatment goes well Dogen-san

Wait, an actual serious learning video from Dogen? Anyway, thanks for the tip!

In English I noticed how I have my tongue placed similarly to the Japanese T sound, of course I am far, far north in the United States and living in the mountains too. We also get Canadians here sometimes because of how close to the boarder I am.

@user-gy3kr9ng1l

2 жыл бұрын

Of course Japanese can understand 「和语學んでいるんだ」but「和語学んでいるんだ」is general than that in Japan.

i dunno man this is where i put my t in english too

@KnightGunny

2 жыл бұрын

then, you are either not a native english speaker, or from singapore or maybe ur just built different

@wareya

2 жыл бұрын

@@KnightGunny i am a native speaker of english born and raised in the us

@lunacodess

2 жыл бұрын

What part of the US are you in? It seems a lotta ppl in the comments pronounce it the way you do. I'm intrigued, cuz I don't think I've heard any native/L1 speakers say it like that (I'm in NYC tho)

@wareya

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunacodess western massachusetts but I spent a few years in california growing up I can't hear the difference over differences in aspiration so I wouldn't be able to tell you if anyone else around me does it the way I do I probably do it the way I do for oral anatomy variation reasons or something

You’re so right!

this is so interesting, being Dutch and having learned English as a second language I instinctively managed to pronounce both kinds of the letter T correctly (Dutch uses the same T as Japanese). This while I often have a bit of trouble saying the exact right vowel sound in English and will use a more close sounding Dutch vowel instead

Me, an Italian who never managed to pronounce the English "T" correctly but can pronounce the Japanese "T" perfectly. I guess all neo-latin languages can pronounce the "T" like Japaneses better than English "T".

@capivara6094

2 жыл бұрын

As a Brazilian I can confirm that

thx this video help me fix my english-pronunciation

Man this is so useful i've noticed this too but dont know how to explain it!

As a native German speaker, I never realized that Japanese “T” pronunciation is so similar to German. The “T” pronunciation in 一般的 is the same as in Thüringen. Great video as always, by the way!

@NantokaNejako

2 жыл бұрын

German T is exactly like English T, in tongue placement as well as in aspiration. At least in correctly pronounced Standard German.

Hi Dogen, I'm studying Asian studies and linguistics and you help me understand Japanese phonology better, these things aren't explained in class. Thank you for the video! Cheers from Israel!

its quite cool to see the difference between people who learn from text books and a real life teacher. I picked this up naturally from mimicking my teachers accent. I don't think it would be something i could have ever noticed from just a book. I feel lucky!

Hey Dogen! In Brazilian portuguese, Rio de Janeiro accent, the T is also linguodental (tongue to teeth) so I've never thought about english T (although I love a fresh brewed cup of it)... my problem is with the Rs, but I feel it is easier to us than it is to english native speakers.

It's pronounced like the Arabic ط (ṭ). There's also a thing about か it's pronounced more like qa than ka. And I guess that's why English words with the sound 'ka' are written like キャ instead of カ in japanese, for example character キャラクター

@lunacodess

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting way to look at it. The enunciation's the same, but ط has the pharyngeal (guttural) component. When you say qa, do you mean like Arabic ق? (I know it's pronounced differently, depending on the dialect). If so, cool observation!!

For some reason, I think I've been doing this right instinctively. O_o Thanks for the confidence-booster!

"Japanese" T used in english boston accent, scottish accent, spanish, portuguese, french, italian, arabic, hindi, and SEA languages. Many english accents, deutch, dutch, polka, russian, turk language use the "english" T

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx

2 жыл бұрын

Wait Arabs use /t̪/ when speaking English?? We do have two /t/s as well. A normal one and one which replaces /θ/ in Syria and Lebanon (the same way that the Irish do when they say "teeth")

I realized that even in English I say the T the Japanese way, I wonder if having Brazilian Portuguese as my mother tongue has anything to do with that?? I find easier to pronounce Japanese words than English words a lot of times

@jpzz5915

2 жыл бұрын

mano... dá um bisu na nossa lingua. a fonética é bem parecida. se vc pegar as palavras em tupi então, aí que parece japonês mesmo: Abacaxi, Acre, Amapá, amendoim, açaí, aipim, Anhembi, Aracaju, Araguaia, Araraquara, araponga, araçá, arara, Araxá, Avaré, caatinga, caju, capim, carijó, Ceará, Copacabana, babaçu, beiju, biboca, caboclo, caipira, canoa, capenga, carioca, Goitacá, guri, guarani, Guaratinguetá, Iguaçu, Ipanema, Ipiranga, Itajubá, Iracema, Itu, Iguaçu, jacaré, jabuticaba, jiboia, jabuti, jururu, lambari, mandioca, pajé, Pará, Paraíba, Paraná, pereba, Pernambuco, Piauí, pitanga, pindaíba, saci, Roraima, Sergipe, tamanduá, tatu, tapioca, Tocantins, urubu, xará, xavante.

It's so cool to hear someone articulate the difference between foreign and american 'T' pronunciation. For myself, learning japanese from my childhood friends, I always felt and heard the difference but could never explain it to my newer friends who are also interested in learning the language.

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OMG ... I barely know Japanese but I'm somewhat of a linguistics fan... I love these kinds of videos. Pronunciation is one of my strong suites with foreign languages. I knew this about the different T's intuitively but interesting to know the "why" behind it. Thank you, Dogen-San!!

Japanese children: "Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"

After you released this video, my students (many of my students are your fan) showed me how much their たちつてとpronunciations have been improved 😃 Thank you! Btw I read your Japanese ver Wikipedia and found that you ryuugaku’ed the university I graduated from! Not same year though, so I should call you Dogen-senpai (先輩)from now on😉

Very good to know! ありがとうございます！

Thank you 🙏

I’ve always picked up on this difference just by listening a long, long time ago and was lucky to make it a habit, but I’m left with a problem of differentiating between a t sound and a d sound a lot of the time.

I actually learned some about English pronunciation through this video. I didn’t realise about the aspiration of the letters, as the those letters sound similar to the Japanese pronunciation. I have been pronouncing it wrong all these years 😂

This video made me realize ive been saying T in 2 different ways and i have never noticed it

日本語のネイティブスピーカーです。 英語の発音を練習するにあたり、Tの発音が難しいなと感じていました。英文を音読する際も、Tの音で躓くことが多かったです。 今回の動画で、日本語のた行と英語のT音の発音方法が異なることを初めて知りました。今後はこれを意識し、よりスムーズに音読できるように練習してみたいと思います。 ありがとうございます！Thank you so much! （追記）日本語と英語の細かな発声方法の違いは、文法書などには登場せず、学ぶのが困難です。Dogenさんが、それらを日本人の英語学習者向けに動画にしてくれたら、助かる人は多いと思います。

Oh wow, this is amazing! I grew up speaking Mandarin and English, and have never consciously realized this subtle pronunciation difference in ‘T’ sounds across languages until now. It turns out I never had much trouble with pronouncing the Japanese ‘T’ sound (or the French one, when I was learning it), because the Chinese ‘T’ is pronounced the same. And I’ve never consciously realized that I pronounce the English ‘T’ different to all the others either. Languages. So fascinating!

ありがとう！！ 図がめっちゃわかりやすいです。 日本人目線ですが、これで英語のtの発音が改善された気がします。

Thank you I needed that video, I was struggling with the Japanese T sound お疲れ様でした。

I have no ide how I knew this, I guess it was like, subconscious or something, although this is the first time I'm hearing of the difference between 「た」 and "ta", and it had been doing it the right way apparently. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. As I've started to learn Japanese, I have begun to love the IPA chart (not because of Japanese in particular, probably just the fact that it's not a roman language), and I like a capella, so I have been interested in it and have been trying to learn the subtle differences between sounds.

Really paying close attention to speech and pronunciation from the beginning has helped me a lot. I do this intuitively without ever studying it, and that's a pretty nice feeling. But obviously, there are probably a million things I don't notice either.

Doesn't seem that different when listening to this video, but there it's pretty distinct when try it yourself, great tip!

Whoa I’ve been learning Japanese for a really long time only to now figure out I’ve been saying my T’s wrong the entire time lol I swear Dogen says the most enlightening things Truly an asset to the world

Wow i just realized i was doing the Japanese T sound all along, this video just helped my english pronunciation

I've been literally doing this T for the whole 17 years of my life and i've just noticed it now

this is super helpful could you do the ふ sound next i'm struggling with that one