As a fan of IH, I've always liked the theory that the Drop Site Massacre was aimed 70/30 at killing Manus specifically. That Horus had done the napkin math and figured if the Iron Hands made it to Terra and stood beside the Imperial Fists and Custodes there was not a force in real space or the warp that would even breach the gates. Dealing a blow to the salamanders and raven guard was great. Vulkan was close to many of the loyal brothers him losing was a morale blow, and Corvus was an X factor that was good to hamstring early, but Ferrus HAD to be dealt with.

@thecl0ck30

3 ай бұрын

I just wish we got a book about him, something more that fleshed (hehe) out his character a bit more

@user-fv5ov2gf5v

3 ай бұрын

We have a book on him, and numerous short stories. The issue is there’s only so much you can do to develop a character that died in basically the first year of the heresy. I agree about his legion though

@thecl0ck30

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fv5ov2gf5v more meant a novel that goes more into his back story, his life on Medusa, how the great crusade shaped him, short stories and all that are fine but a little more depth is needed Hell he might be floating around in the warp and the emperor might be able to “put him back together” so that could be neat

@TheVoltage2

Ай бұрын

​@user-fv5ov2gf5v The "book on him" was written from the perspective of everyone else. It's widely regarded as one of the worst primarch books due to it not having much to do with the titular character. And the short stories are always the same. We learn surprisingly little in spite of them. It's all basic foreshadowing to his fight and death via Fulgrim. And in regards to him dying so quickly, that's not the issue you think it is. The reason we get to the Heresy so quickly is due to GW not knowing how popular the HH was going to get. Once the popularity picked up, they slowed the pace down drastically and have since dragged it out to be way longer than it even realistically needed to be. So it isn't that they couldn't have expanded on him, or lacked the time. They just already moved past him by the time they realized how popular it would be. Unfortunate timing, but it is what it is.

It's sort of ironic that the Iron Hands were the "most shattered of the Shattered Legions", because they were arguably the least reduced in total number. They had been massive, and from the looks of it much of their strength was, theoretically, still in play. The problem lay in the unwillingness of the Iron Hands clans to work together with each other or with other loyalists. If they could have swallowed their pride and worked with others, they might have remained a force to be reckoned with. If Ferrus Manus hadn't taught them to compete with one another, they might have collaborated in a way that the traitors couldn't deal with. Alas, such is the tragedy of the Iron Hands. Ferrus Manus identifying his own metal arms as weakness was, in many ways, symbolically significant. His legion saw their humanity - their capacity for sentiment and their ability to connect with others - as a flaw to be excised, when in reality it was removing that living touch that made them weak. In trying to remove what made them human, they cut themselves off from that quality that is the true source of humanity's success: pro-social behavior and the ability to come together as a community for a greater purpose.

Excellent storytelling Ian! You actually made me feel a little sorry for the Iron Tenth, the least sympathetic of the Loyalist legions. Destroyed by their own strengths, their virtues becoming vices.

Incredible how in such a short period of time your channel has really become one of the 'go to' 40k channels. Your videos are concise, interesting, and not prone to 30 minute long tangents of headcanon like some channels. Awesome work 👍

@MHassan1986

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I've been interested in the 40K Lore but almost every other channel's videos are upwards of 90 Minute long videos. He explained Horus Heresy better in a 20 minute video than I've seen in other hour and more long videos by other channels.

Kay, we're gonna have to split you lot up. *Other legions:* Wut! *Iron Hands:* Fair.

Lore of the Iron Hands in 30k Corax: "Bro, we don't got this." Manus: "Naw man, I got this." Narrator: He didn't have it.

@TheDeepestbluest

Жыл бұрын

lol

@jordcarter2359

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant 😂

@markcoroneos7811

Жыл бұрын

Ferrus: gets head cut off “Yeah that’s me, you’re probably wondering how i got into this situation”

I think it's a bit unfair to suggest that Ferrus was to blame for rushing into the Drop Site Massacre without also putting in the context that he'd just been betrayed by his own closest brother in his own ship, who tried to convince him to break his bonds to the Emperor and then murdered his entire bodyguard in cold blood. I'm not saying he's blameless by any means, but he's emotionally and physically wounded at the time by his closest brother, and it's not as if a different commander would have anticipated the betrayal of the second wave or indeed been able to salvage a victory given the odds.

@Willehable

2 жыл бұрын

I agree very much with this, it's unfortunate that it's overlooked since Ferrus' and Fulgrim's friendship is portrayed as the strongest out of all the primarchs, which is made even more tragic by how different they are. It adds a lot of depth and emotion to the whole situation which unfortunately I think is explored far too little. In my mind this is the most tragic and interesting interpersonal conflict between the primarchs we've seen, maaaaybe topped by Horus betraying the Emperor but we don't really see much of that anyway so it's mostly speculation. In a more objective or tactical perspective, it also makes way more sense. They even discuss it before actually attacking, it's not like Ferrus just blindly drops down on Isstvan V like a World Eater or Space Wolf. He knows the traitors are consolidating and entrenching their positions, not to mention they will be aware of the loyalists as soon as they enter the system. Not giving them time to shore up their defenses and coordinating, Ferrus Manus takes decisive action and attempts to catch them off guard. You must also remember, the traitors were all depleted, they had scoured their own legions of massive amounts of legionnaires and other forces at Isstvan III already. Waiting, like Corax suggested could just as likely have ended with the battle being way more hard-fought than it could've been, had the other legions not betrayed them but at that point it wouldn't matter much anyway. With the information Ferrus had at his shiny hand, it makes the most sense and is a very reasonable decision.

@Fer-De-Lance

2 жыл бұрын

And because those emotions overrode his logic he charged ahead like a fool/ Don't get me wrong emotions can help you make good decisions, even anger and hatred but it must be timed properly and well thought out.

@archmageeldran2567

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah in these overview type videos the details do tend to be lost sadly. Regarding the Fulgrim and Ferrus thing I have begun seen their relationship and what happened to their legions to be a microcosm of both the HH and the aftermath and also why it is so tragic.

@deadtotheworld22

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fer-De-Lance I don't disagree, but I think there's a fair bit of context missing from the video, especially Ian's claim at the start that 'it was entirely their own fault'. It wasn't, and even if we agree that Ferrus pushed too far forward in the initial stages of the battle, it wasn't an unsalvageable decision until it emerged that the second 'loyalist' wave turned out to be working with Horus. It's an emotional but understandable move, and as much as Ferrus shouldn't have allowed his emotions to rule him, it sat within existing Iron Hands battle doctrine and would probably have worked had the stab in the back not occured.

@deadtotheworld22

2 жыл бұрын

​@@archmageeldran2567 It's a pity, because ArbitorIan's generally very good at picking up nuance with these videos, which was why it stuck out a bit more. I know he's not a massive fan of Ferrus as a character (quote 'Ferrus Manus was a dick' in his EVERY HORUS HERESY NOVEL REVIEWED when referring to his Primarch novella), and I can understand that he's perhaps not best inclined to be sympathetic towards a Legion and a chapter who can be written as very iffy regarding their views on 'the purity of the flesh' and 'the strong will survive', but I found it a bit...oversimplified and uncharitable, especially as Ferrus is probably reacting in the most human way possible to being betrayed by his closest and best friend.

"The flesh is weak, but deeds endure." If only Ferrus' children took Vulcan's words to heart...

Dude, you forgot to mention badass Shadrak Meduson and his guerilla campaign against traitors.

You forgot to mention that they were the most affected by the Astartes psycho-indoctrination. They didn't properly cope with Ferrus' death because they were literally incapable of doing so.

@apacalypsagon3758

Жыл бұрын

The blood angels wood like a word with you on that.

@SWProductions100

Жыл бұрын

​@apacalypsagon3758 To add to that, having seen the AdRic episode on them, I think the preassure comes from the shame of their Primarch, not just grief (though the grief doesn't help)

I’m an Iron Hands lover through and through. Been playing them in Heresy for years and made a custom successor in 8th ed 40k. I hope the new edition brings more players, and some new stuff for shattered legions armies!

It’s interesting to compare how the clans split up after Ferrus died to how fractured the Legions became after the Emperor left and the HH started. Both clans and legions often loosing rogue elements and struggling to work together without iron willed commanders willing to take charge or compromise.

I like the Iron Hands because not many factions in 40k that are written with such obvious failure. Most space marine legions or imperial units are "we are the best at this thing and in fact we're so good we're feared and the emperor stopped asking us to be so cool because the other legions are getting jealous".

arbitor ian _and_ snipe & wib uploads within minutes of each other? praise the omnissiah, my cogitator banks are thrumming with delight

Found this channel yesterday after pre-ordering Rogue Trader and looking for info on the Warhammer universe, have watched all your videos and love this series!

@Willqer

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the fandom! Just be aware, game will take place in the actual 40k, Ian talks mostly about Horus Heresy in 30k (some things 40k too, like Badab War) so don't be surprised the game is set closer to year 40k and the world will be different (though still the same). Also don't worry about us fans, we love to say how over the top it is and scare people how expansive it is, but you don't need to know deep dive lore to get into game. Just explore what looks coolest for you and have fun :D.

I hadn't been paying attention... I only just realised you colour-match your shirts & lighting to match the legion you talk about... nice touch :)

@Grashan

2 жыл бұрын

Bloody hell...

Cool, 3am and something good to watch.

Spending early Xmas morning watching these excellent Heresy 101 series. I sense a tradition.

@ArbitorIan

Жыл бұрын

Brilian idea. EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS

I want to really thank you for these videos, before seeing these series I really had a hard time seeing the appeal on some of the legions like the White Scar, Blood Angels and Iron Hands but now I can understand that they are much more than what is presented to the wider 40k fanbase and shit, their pre-primarch lore as much as the lore they have once their primarch appears is very good and I have a particular newfound respect for the Blood Angels and Iron Warriors!

Absolutely superb video! This is the best I've seen the Iron Hands of the heresy era explained. 😊

The Shattered Legions book covers this arrogance perfectly and how it costs them. Fantastic video. Keep up the good work.

OMG man, you shirts! They always match the colour scheme of the Legion you're talking about! Mind blown.

Interesting! I always thought of Ferrus as this wise, quiet giant of a man who said very little, not the conquerer the lore thinks of him! I heard he was a master craftsman as well, hence the Iron Hands proficiency with making new tech etc. Great video!

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds a lot more like Vulcan, really. Though with their love of craftsmanship, you'd think the two would be closer. Well, then again, they have similar interests, but opposing attitudes.

@philpenny9705

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bluecho4 I'm pretty sure Ferrus crafted a sword for Fulgrim in some sort of competition between each other, with Fulgrim making a massive hammer for him as well, at least that's what I've read!

@archmageeldran2567

2 жыл бұрын

Both Ferrus and Vulkan had a very big craftsmen theme to them I just think from my understanding they had different ways of going about it. Ferrus being more of a large scale creator while Vulkan would create more powerful but unique pieces of equipment. As an example Ferrus would teach a Bronze Age nation to forge steel blades but Vulkan would be the one forging Excalibur.

@isaiahsmith6016

2 жыл бұрын

@@philpenny9705 Yes, the hammer was call Forgebreaker. I'm not sure what the sword was called. When both saw what the other had created, they both admitted the other was the finer craftsman, exchanged weapons, and sealed their friendship.

@philpenny9705

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaiahsmith6016 it's such a shame he had to die so early in the heresy, I'd have loved to see him and Daemon Primarch Fulgrim, once the closest of primarch brothers, clash with each others weapons given by each other (away from the madness of the dropsite massacre)

One thing going for them, unlike the Salamanders the Iron Hands arent still whining about the Drop Site Massacre 10,000 years later and complaining about their chapter being so small because they never recovered from it.

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's generally bad for an army to TOTALLY rely on how they can never be defeated as the founding part of their personality!

@pitmatix1457

Жыл бұрын

What I don't get is that there were a few of the smaller legions in the Crusade/Heresy era who only recruited from one planet yet still managed to have 50,000+ marines in their Legion. Although the Codex Astartes limited Chapters to around 1,000 marines there's no reason why a planet like Vulcan or Medusa could not produce enough aspirants to still produce a similar amount of recruits. So surely Medusa or Vulcan could support 50 or 60 successor chapters from one planet? Does lack of access to the Primarch's DNA reduce the production rate of Geneseed that much?

@TheVoltage2

Ай бұрын

​@@pitmatix1457It's entirely due to the Iron Hands as a culture rather than any practical limit. The Iron Hands are incredibly exclusionary. Remember, space Marine chapters have near carte blanch control over their home planets. They may allow pulling of the population for others, but that is not required of them by any means. They chose to keep their planet to themselves. Medusa, as well, is a death world in all but name even at the time of the heresy and has only gained more threats since. After one of Abbadon's crusades there is speckles of chaos taint still roaming that they deal with from time to time. As well the Dark Eldar do frequent raids of the planet that the Iron Hands ALLOW because they believe it promotes a stronger more robust population. It probably could support a few more if the Iron Hands allowed it, but the closest in lore to this is the shakily canon Steel Confessors who recruit from off world, but are required to send their recruits to Medusa to show their worth as a means of honoring the geneseed given to make the Steel Confessors.

Ooh oh, we're half way there!

Ferrus Manus. Forever known as the Leeroy Jenkins of 30k.

It surprises me that the iron hands and iron warriors don't have more of an established relationship, given how similarly they fight

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Iron Hands can't even maintain a healthy working relationship with other Iron Hands. So it makes sense they wouldn't be that chummy with the Iron Warriors. Who are themselves bitter and unfriendly, led by a bitter and unfriendly primarch. I imagine more than a few times, the Iron Warriors were the "bait" used to lure out forces to the Iron Hands could strike. Iron Warriors were always seen as more expandable than other legions. That can't have endeared the two legions to one another.

@dallonrobbins5078

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bluecho4 good points, they would lack even a deeper rivialry simply because neither prime would go out of his way to talk to the other🤔

@dyer4677

9 ай бұрын

I've thought about that too, specially with their dichotomy between the IW defining strength as enduring suffering for the sake of the collective legion while the IH defined strength as purging individual weakness within so each IH was the best they could be. But then I realized unlike Dorn, Ferrus would never be the type to nurse a slight or a grudge. Either you weren't worth his time, or he'd "fix" the problem. In this analogy Ferrus is the stern older brother that wouldn't put up with his younger siblings sass.

The way you explain things and the format of your videos is so approachable and engaging. I love the subtle details like the background lighting changing to reflect the chapter you're talking about in each of these videos. Really nice little touches that make these some of my favourite 40k videos to watch. Great stuff 👍

Very cool. If you run out of stuff, it could be cool to see a lore video on the Sons of Medusa, a second founding Iron Hands successor that never had actually had a founding, for awhile there were just two Chapters that each were calling themselves the Iron Hands and the other one should have to be the successor, I think because of like... Omnisciah rounding errors or something

I’ve been loving this series keep up the good work!

Wonderful, thanks a lot! Very much looking forward to the Raven Guard already!

Thank you for these methodical and informative videos, you do a better job talking about each legion than anyone out there.

Another great entry in the series 👌 Thank you for making these. Fantastic

i love the iron hands thank to the lore we have but i realy hope we get some more model or ways to build tham ( Admac bitz are to expanive to clue on) but they need a lot more lore/ book in the 40setting, maby a 3 book trilogy would be great!

Cool video!! I never really paid much attention to the Iron Hands.

Thanks Ian! I’m just finishing the Fulgrim audiobook, this lines up perfect.

God the Iron Hands are up there with the Space Wolves as the biggest primadonnas on the Loyalist side.

Cant wait for the Ultramarines video! Expecting lots of jokes of them becoming posterboys. :D

Awesome as always, Thank you.

I just love your work ! Keep going ! :)

A nice midnight video to watch in the philippines. Kudos, sir!

Loving these videos.

The Iron Warriors and Iron Hands are so similar! Most of what you said could easily be applied to the 4th Legion

Im loving this series!!!

Thanks for the video.

Ian, please do another serious of what has happened after HH and how they are doing in the 40k. thanks!

Great video man

Loving this series

theme music still hits so hard. love it.

Can't say I'm a massive fan of the Horus Heresy writing but your videos do make it seem so much more palatable. Great work!

Another excellent video

Love these videos! And thanks for making them. Idk if it would be to much work but do you think you could a, you bought the starter box where do you go from there for each legion too?

Can't wait till you get to the Ultramarines, they are my favorite legion

I always hoped that they would find a convoluted way of bringing Ferrus back so he could have a moment similar to The Immortal in Invincible once he regains consciousness. "Where is Fulgrim!?!"

My favorite chapter! Boutta watch the video!

Mr. Iron Hands, who has an Iron Hand. He is the Primarch of the Iron Hands, whose symbol is an Iron Hand. They have a culture of making one of their hands iron, as a rite of passage.

Since video about 2nd Legion was a prank, I hope that the next video actually looks at two lost legions and explores the possibilities of what happened to them.

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

YUP

@ChaseMe2TheSky

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArbitorIan hey, that's great to know! Can't wait!

I find it interesting how similar the methods of the Xth "Iron Hands" IVth "Iron Warriors" (well, it's in the name), although the latter are usually set up as rivals of the VIIth "Imperial Fists". I mean meticulously planned pitched battles and war by the numbers aren't that different. Well at least the IVth tended to sacrifice themselves...

@Fireclaws10

2 жыл бұрын

The Iron Warriors specialise in siege warfare, the Iron Hands specialised in large scale mechanised deployments. It's entirely different. An iron Warriors battle is troops moving up under artillery fire, whereas an Iron Hands battle is an advancing mass of tanks and infantry

I definitely dont think its the Iron Hands or Ferrus' fault that they were destroyed imo. I dont think anyone could have known that the other 4 legions would turn traitor. They clearly didnt, or they would not have been sent in the first place.

Great video! What alternate colour schemes would work for HH Iron Hands to inject some colour?

Love the series Would you ever consider doing something similar for Fantasy End Times?

@stryke-jn3kv

2 жыл бұрын

Sigmar forbids this. Of all the writings to be found about the Old World, 40k, Blood Bowl, or AoS settings, there is none as worthless to explore as the bloody zoggin' mess that was the End Times. Okay that bit where Sniktch signs the book of grudges was neat but that is literally it.

I've always pitied the Iron Tenth for devolving into dysmorphic self-loathing. They smack of an organisation that never truly healed from the Hersey; what elements that could function after the loss of Ferrus inevitably became estranged successor Chapters but the core off the Legion saw fit to wallow in their pain. For all their vaunted beliefs that the flesh is weak, claiming to have discarded what remained of their humanity for supposedly superior logic, their rage and anguish is all too apparent, like a festering psychic canker. Yet despite their massive losses, nor truly knowing if Vulkan had survived the Drop Site Massacre for some time the Salamanders had been trained to be self-sufficient, to adapt, endure and embody their Primarch's teachings so that they could continue their duty to the Imperium in whatever capacity they could muster. Even now in 40K, while they seek Vulkan, they don't need him - for they each carry Vulkan's fire in their hearts.

Love this series :) I just finished "Fulgrim" and the sense I got from the Iron Hands is not their sense of superiority, but they kind of had a chip on their shoulder of thinking other legions were better than them. They seemed the most stoic "King's Men" while every other legion was off winning glory for the sake of glory. And Ferrus thought all legions were equal which is why he continually saw past Fulgrim's ego to still love him.

@daniellogue8365

Жыл бұрын

He scolds his first captain for thinking any legion is superior.

I am enjoying the series for sure. And really interested in the 10th. Could you recommend the best Black Library on them?

Thank you so much for this video friend! The Xth has such a lack of representation in the current lore, that the only way they really have gotten recognition is with content like yours that shares with them a small amount of the spotlight. Personally, it is my belief that this legion in particular can have the best psychological stories and narratives, depicting their struggles with humanity. They are uncompromising and relentless sons of the Emperor, with a lot of qualities that on paper should outmatch a lot of the other legions (No disrespect meant of course), yet many times, even in their own "Primarch" book, they are made to be seen as angry and grudging in their interaction with others, instead of showing their efficiency. The 40k writting team also had a massive opportunity to make Ferrus Manus likeable or composed, so that it would sting even more when he eventually fell. The dynamic struggles of these individuals with their own origins, and their supposed divine purpose, make them a glorious dark and uncomfortable subject to breach. Fleshing them out would make the entire hopeless and bleak components of the universe even more interesting, as well as giving us a great hope for their road to redemption. Apologies for this long text, I believe it necessary to convey the Importance of the sons of the gorgon in the narrative of the 30th and 40th millenium. Have a glorious day everyone. Thank you very much Ian for the video.

I'm cant wait for the salamanders and raven guard turn. My favorite loyalist legions the dark angels, iron hands, salamanders and raven guard.

""The Great Betrayal *twenty second laters*...entirely their own fault"...this does not commute.

I love how he says leman like Le man

You could say, like the Rolling Stones. The Iron Hands, have been *shattered!*

Brilliant video but they updated the lore recently? In the Fulgrim book Ferrus wasn't impaicent he was troubled that Horus and Fulgrim tried to turn him and worked himself into a blind rage trying to prove his loyalty to the other primarchs. Aslo I don't think the masscare can be soley blamed on Ferrus, none of the other loyal primarchs disagreed with his plan and Dorn even ordered him there along with the 4 other traitor legions. I like the Iron hands because they are only one of two legions who actually seemed to "suffer" from the herecy (along side the blood angels). The rest have "issues" but not really. Ultramarines in particaullar are excatly the same in 40k as they were in 30k.

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

I think the clever thing about the iron hands fluff is that they probably would have been smooshed on Isstvan anyway, but Ferrus' impetuousness and their own sense of superiority makes that defeat MUCH worse for them, and knocks them out of the war more effectively than any other legion.

Make war and move on, and again, and again, until nothing breathes which stands against us. All else is sophistry and pretty lies. - Ferrus Manus.

2:40 was i the only one who thought that pic was a bunch of adolf’s at first glance 😂

Love it, especially when you said it was all their own fault!

I’m reminded of that Sears CEO that remodeled the company to encourage internal competition, and subsequently ruined the company.

Although the iron hands suffered so much so than all the other legions in the Horus heresy and after the heresy. I think that with the lore I know now from there codex there starting to come together and make the iron tenth the iron hands 🦾 ⚙. And ferrus Manus will return one day, I believe he will come back. Let be honest the Imperium of man need a it's Gorgon.

iron hands need more lore and love

Great video as always. Wasn't Alpharius the first primarch to be found? Making Ferrus Manus the 4th?

@BlueSapphyre

2 жыл бұрын

Some accounts have Alpharius as the first, but also the last. Never trust the tales of the Alpha Legion. Are they really traitors, or loyalist spies?

@sean4929

2 жыл бұрын

In the horus heresy alpharius book he was found on terra first and kept secret by the emperor. We get accounts of him pretending to be a regular legionnaire when the emperor is meeting new primarchs and them not recognising what he was, which I find kinda funny.

@BlueSapphyre

2 жыл бұрын

@@sean4929 The point I was trying to make is that the Alpha Legion as a whole is an unreliable narrator. But I agree, by their account, Alpharius was the first found and kept secret and Omegon was the last found and publicly announced.

If it wasn’t for the existence of other loyalist legions with incredibly heartless regard for their own allies, civilians and even themselves such as the Dark Angels; the Iron Hands would be outright the worse of them all. In their pursuit of perfection: they became as much a bunch of tools like any other in their tool box.

Such a tragic tale that of the X legion.

hi i was just wondering what book you keep getting the artwork for the armour is from?

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

It's the original Black Book series for the Horus Heresy game, from between 2012 and 2018. I imagine some of this art will get repurposed in the new books!

@lewissmith5759

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArbitorIan ah sweet ill give them look for insperation

Word Bearers next?

@axelNodvon2047

Жыл бұрын

He’s doing them in numerical order, so as of right now they will be next

Wait what? Double HH? Isn't it usually one a week?

Hate to sound pedantic but I think Ferrus was the 4th Primarch to be discovered. Horus, Leman, Missing Primarch then Ferrus.

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So that's why we don't hear about them so much over all... they changed their status to " it's complicated " lol

The flesh is weak brothers

✌️💚

💫💫💫💫💫

= D

My favorite legion... GW neglects them.

Flesh is weak

Wow, the more I hear about the Iron Hands, the more I realise they absolutely suck Its great

Def the worst a least likeable loyal legion..

@axelNodvon2047

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same, but man do they have a cool aesthetic

I have very mixed feelings about the Iron Hands. I think on their own they're easily the worst legion. Boring tactics, boring culture, boring primarch, even their paint job is boring black and white. But on the other hand I absolutely adore the Orphans of War.

@kingodacheez3416

2 жыл бұрын

@Kharn the Betrayer I liken them more to the Borg, because of their aversion to the hard-to-control emotions, and belief that the flesh is weak. High emotions are what actually ended Ferrus; when he charged straight into the massacre.

@kingodacheez3416

2 жыл бұрын

@Kharn the Betrayer Gotcha! I get your point. I was just chiming in with my personal opinion is all.

Ferrus Manus was a doofus.