Me and my wife seen this movie and we both loved it. The acting was great and it was very emotional. We both love these kind of movies. How you guys didn't like this movie is beyond me 😳🤔

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Well what's great about art is that we can all experience it in different ways, right? Glad you both had a good time at the movies.

Zac Efron is where the emotionality is. And there are people like the dad in this movie in real life

I watched a documentary on the Von Erichs, and the tragedy of the youngest brother was the most compelling part of the saga. It's so strange they wouldn't include his story!

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Indeed. But Sean Durkin has spoken at length about why he left him out, saying he thought it would have been too overwhelmingly sad.

@thisisevan1

7 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay Chris Von Erich was also a decade younger than the rest of the clan, was very small, and had nowhere near the level of stardom as his brothers. It's an understandable omission for a movie that already felt rushed through at 2h 12m.

I'd argue that's a very superficial way to look at a character study because you guys underestimate the storytelling prowess of pro-wrestling as a whole and comes out as insulting honestly. It's a pure physical and visual theater, judging a movie by just "things happening" is just mediocrely reviewing it just for the sake of it when the movie primarily focusing on Zac is more than just that. Zac's physical storytelling is probably the best I've seen in years, the only medium of art that provides it is and has been wrestling, and that transcribes well here. The movie is a love letter to that storytelling prowess of pro-wrestling since Sean Durkin is admittedly a fan as well and he understood the assignment. Not saying non-fans of the medium wouldn't find it as compelling since there's much more to meat on the bone with in it, but the review is just flat and pretty repetitive of the movie that you claim to be as such.

@orlandosantiago4063

8 ай бұрын

I agree. Not to mention they’re stuffing over a decade of events into a 2 hour movie. Cutting characters is to centralize the story to the main character of Kevin (Zac) and do we really need another sad scene in a movie that doesn’t have a real life happy ending. And the Von Erich’s are one note people, they were all wrestling meatheads. These people are reviewing this like it’s a marvel movie and not a biopic of one of the most tragic wrestling stories when the industry itself is dark. They casted the movie as boring because it didn’t hit notes that they personally wanted out of it. What a joke

@TNTGFX

8 ай бұрын

@@orlandosantiago4063 This review, if made 4 decades ago, about Raging Bull would have been mixed as well since they "didn't focus much on Jake's brother and left out parts in history" when it's often regarded as one of the best character studies of all time. Catering to Hollywood style of dramatizing or undramatizing a real tragedy doesn't and shouldn't take away from what's being shown and represented on screen, taking away Oppenheimer's history of lust shouldn't distract from it being a movie about humanism amidst war of itself, Tim's QANon agenda shouldn't take away Sound of Freedom's anti-sex trafficking advert. This is honestly just as bad as the IGN "The movie is a Family-Drama" criticism.

@johnnyboy7144

8 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you, this review is majorly disappointing

@orlandosantiago4063

8 ай бұрын

Also in real life, the brother that wasn’t shown on screen died in a more horrific way than the others. I believe he shot himself just moments after talking to Kevin and his father. Kevin actually was the first one to find his body. It would just have been way too much for a film with this much tragedy

@RickyCaurdiea

7 ай бұрын

Yeah that last line was pretty insulting as a Indy Pro Wrestler

Christy’s facial expressions in the thumbnails always make me chuckle and tells me everything I need to know, as far as her opinion of the movie goes. 🤣🤣

Wow, you two! Agree to disagree. I am with Katie Walsh on this one. I thought it was devastating. I was practically sobbing at the end. Great work from the actors, especially Efron and McCallany. The lack of character growth was the point; one of the tragedies of their story is that they never had the chance to grow as people since they were stuck under Fritz's thumb. They didn't get to be whole people; Fritz needed them under control, not growing in to men who could think for themselves. They had no examples of doing better. I also thought they did a great job of recreating the era. Durkin is expert in chronicling fucked up families, biological or found....see MMMM and The Nest. I will say it did pique my interest enough to seek out more info about their stories, so the film's shortness did leave me wanting in that regard. This might have been even better as a limited series.

@liverpoolcheese10

8 ай бұрын

...yes.....even Grace Randolph gave it a good review, which is shocking to me.........

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

We talked about how much we loved his previous films in our review. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.

@brianstout8847

8 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay oh definitely! Durkin is very talented and I remembered that you like his other stuff and heard the reference. I found a great doc on Hulu that filled in some of the gaps. It is weird and a bummer to leave one brother out entirely, especially with so many movies closing in on 2:30 or longer. Have a happy holiday season! Love the show since forever.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

@@brianstout8847 Likewise and thanks, Brian!

.... this was easily one of the best movies of the year......

Wow very surprised by this review, had to comment for the first time because Iron Claw was my film of the year. Saw it with three other guys and all four of us were crying at the end of the movie and I haven't cried in a movie borderline ever. Not a wrestling fan at all, but the story really struck a chord with me. Very interesting to hear this review since I usually agree with you guys.

@BreakfastAllDay

5 ай бұрын

Disagreeing makes things interesting! Thanks for taking the time to comment.

@robbyf5522

5 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay absolutely, love your guys' content!

One-note characters. Do you guys think people can be one-note types? Absolutely. Can't believe a Dad can be a jerk forever? That is so funny. You guys lived in a plush and happy place. Good for you.

It’s a bit of a tough spot. This story is a lot to unpack in 2 hours and 10 minutes. However, say if someone had done a six episode miniseries, it might have been tragedy overload. Along with Chris, Fritz and Kevin had to deal with the death of another non-family wrestling prodigy in the promotion (Gino Hernandez), the murder of Bruiser Brody, and just trying to keep their business going when WWF and WCW were bleeding the territorial promotions dry. It’s like what Kiefer Sutherland said when 24 was ending “the audience is only going to go along for so many bad days.”

@thisisevan1

7 ай бұрын

And that's why we have Dark Side of the Ring! :)

Whats your favorite Rush album? Mine is Farewelll to Kings

I think the one-notess of all the characters was very intentional because these people did not have well rounded lives, so how could they turn out to be well rounded people? Obviously I didn't know them, but the lifestyles they've built that their father pushed so forcefully onto them is what gave them their own self-destructive tendencies; their downfalls were the direct result of their "shallow" existences for the lack of a better term. What I'm trying to say is that if their father hadn't made them into people that lack any semblance of balance in their lives and their minds, their story could not have ended as tragically as it did, hence the biopic wouldn't have existed as it does. The characters can be one note because the people were likely one note to a certain degree, at least to the degree that pertains to the events of the story told here

..wow......this review is in the very small minority of KZreadrs/critics that did not like the movie;......I guess it's the kind of movie you have to feel because the immersive power of nostalgia is potent here.....

@BluePrada

8 ай бұрын

most people know absolutely nothing about this and a film shouldn't warrant that to be enjoyable

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

We like to think for ourselves 🤷‍♀

@jameswilliams-zr8co

7 ай бұрын

i didn't care for it either, its lazy story telling and film making to me

@AlexDineroo

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@BluePradaconsidering a lot of the review was spent complaining about a missing Von Erich, it would seem their prior knowledge affected their enjoyment pretty heavily.

@arlopear7136

5 ай бұрын

@@jameswilliams-zr8co Well said. Very lazy storytelling and worse than that Durkin was scared to go to certain dark places that while would have shocked audiences would have fleshed these brothers out more than the hollow movie we got did

But I'm going for lily James!

5:47 "Tom Sawyer" was Kerry Von Erich's entrance music in World Class Championship Wrestling. His nickname in WCCW was "Modern Day Warrior" so it fits. In WWF it would get changed to the 'Texas Tornado", which is what the majority know him better as because of the visibility of WWF/E. However, calling Kerry "Modern Day Warrior" played by tiny Jeremy Allan White doesn't really work so I see why that was never a thing in the movie

I thought I was superficial on the characters too. Liked to know the story but I could be so much better. The actors did the best they could.

I finally watched this on digital and thought I was going crazy at not agreeing with all the praise. I agreed with every point of this review.

I freaking LOVED "The Nest", one of my faves from 2020.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Isn't it great? And not enough people saw it or even heard about it because of the pandemic.

@tlovehater

8 ай бұрын

​@@BreakfastAllDay I know 😭, Sean Durkin might have a stronger award contender in his future.

I agree with you for the second time (following Ferrari). I liked The Nest, and I love almost everything that Mátyás Erdély lenses (Son of Saul, for instance), but this one was curiously empty. From a European perspective, it is difficult to take the wrestling thing seriously. The whole thing was superficial, and even though the cinematography was the most interesting aspect, it was much less interesting than in The Nest. I read Christy's review, and I think that was an accurate description of the film. The rave reviews are puzzling.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Son of Saul was extraordinary. Thanks for reading my review!

The father was like that in real life. Friends and associates said the same thing. Not sure why you said he can’t be like that all the time

I disagree with your review. I think they did a perfect job on the movie.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

That's great!

Shocked at this review a little! But to each their own!

I didn't love this movie. Martha Marcy May Marlene is unbelievable. But I loved the scenes with efron and lily James. And I'm not a movie critic but I loved yesterday w lily James as well because I'm an enormous Beatles fan. I know it wasn't perfect but a struggling songwriter having access to the greatest catalog in music history made me very happy to see.

Yeah it is weird to omit someone! I haven't seen it yet but I agree.

One of my favorites of the year alongside Oppenheimer, The Holdovers, Are You There God, John Wick 4, and Godzilla.

@robin.s.

8 ай бұрын

add Anatomy of a fall

@themtgdude486

8 ай бұрын

@@robin.s. Looking forward to seeing it.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

I love all of these minus The Holdovers (good but not great imo) and John Wick 4 (can't grade what I haven't seen *not seen any actually smh*). I agree with @robin.s. that Anatomy of a Fall is top tier. So far my favorite with Oppenheimer and Poor Things.

Thanks for the review!! But did we watch the same movie people??????

@BreakfastAllDay

6 ай бұрын

It's OK to disagree! It's healthy, even.

@steveflair7815

6 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay I am in the strong majority that Zac Efron did a Oscar worthy performance.

......another thing some people keep overlooking; (they don't want to spoil but it's important here); this movie is about surviving suicide and how to break that legacy. For the ones saying "I'll pass, because it's wrestling" may not know the real story here. For the millions of us who have that in our families, it's an affirmation and commentary of how our lives look like.......the wrestling is just incidental............🤷‍♀🤷‍♀

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

You're correct, we didn't want to get into a lot of detail for people who might not know this story. Thank you for your insight.

Really bad choice to leave the little brother out but include all the “flirting” and that ugly pick up “sensual” scene of Zac and Lily. Shame on them for not being creative enough to tell a more complete story. Too bad the wigs looked ugly and the story line was weird and felt “chopped”

I’m with a lot of these other folks who agree to disagree. I think this movie had a lot to say about masculinity and brotherhood and how to raise sons in an authentic way. I can’t think of too many recent movies that have give ln the brother relationship this much respect. Like a lot of others, this movie had me tearing up and I think it’s one that stays with you.

@BreakfastAllDay

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your very reasonable thoughts!

I agree. So disappointing. I didn't like The Nest either so MMMM remains Durkins first and last decent film 😭

Love your work but calling wrestling superficial is pretty ignorant. It is a form of live theater that when great is just as good as a great stage play, but you have to understand psychology. For this, it sounds like they should have focused on one of them. Or made it into a documentary style biographical fiction. Also, wouldn't you expect it to have a lot of 80s Texas cheese, given the topic? Wrestling is full of tragedies so maybe the next wrestling biopic will be better.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Right, the atmosphere, costume, production designs are the best parts.

The only issue this movie had was being too short to include Chris and everything in a more accurate and less condensed time frame. All of the acting was amazing. The look was super accurate. Now the condensed story telling does have one good effect. Even though all the tragedies were nore spaced out in real life I imagine it felt like they happened repeatedly to the family and that is how we experience it in the film. This movie was fantastic and should be taking major awards. I was crying pretty good by the end.

@TheoneGodfather

7 ай бұрын

It was a steamy pile of 💩

This review is so much like your review for Maestro it makes me want to see a crossover between the two movies: Von Erich conducts Mahler! Bernstein wrestles! Koussevitsky inviting the Von Erichs to Tanglewood and advising them to change their name to sound less German! And plenty of suppressed homoeroticism all around….

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

That is hilarious 😄 The awards season mash-up we never knew we needed!

1:48 - 1:55 That is perfectly what I've been trying to get across to people who ask me why I disliked the film the way I did. Is some of that because I know the true story & know that this story is severely short changing what happened? Sure, that's part of it. I can't turn off my previous knowledge of the real life source material & know that this comes woefully short of that. But even without previous knowledge there wasn't much time given to just feel by any other character except Kevin(Efron) besides that one scene with the mother and Kevin's wife when they were getting ready for Mike's funeral. Also I would've had a problem by movie's end with none of that tragedy changing either parent by movie's end even if I didn't know that in reality it really did. I mean how could it not? However the performers were all really great with the material given to them, I just wish it was better material from someone who I know can do better.

I couldn't care less about wrestling but i saw a documentary about the Von Erichs and was really looking forward to this. So disappointed with the reviews and the fact that they left out one of the brothers. The tragedy is the story. This horrible father with this tight knitted group of sons and when one dies it almost makes it easier for the others to go the same way. And the irony of leaving out the youngest who unalived himself because he couldn't be a wrestler like his brothers. What a terrible terrible decision by the director.

@WaitingtoHit

8 ай бұрын

From a writing standpoint, it was a profoundly stupid omission because there would have been the natural irony of the physically disadvantaged brother longing to be a wrestler and being stuck behind the camera while a brother with all of the necessary physical gifts to be a great wrestler longs to be a cameraman.

@basquat76

8 ай бұрын

@@WaitingtoHit yeah that's true. Why did they even miss that

“This movie was repetitive and things just happened.” Just like this awful review. Bro on the right is so full of himself it makes me want to throw up

My biggest take away so far is wrestling fans are apparently very defensive

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Lotta passion out there!

@SlimCharles2023

7 ай бұрын

Considering people like you kiss ass to a actor for their performance ignoring the fact they have multiple takes and stunt doubles yet completely shit on a profession filled with people who do all that and then some in one take yeah id say we are defensive because when our favorite wrestlers can barley walk in their older age because of what they did to entertain us we find it insulting that pricks stick to the same stupid statements regarding pro wrestling

10:04 They didn't make them stand on crates 🤣🤣🤣

Super weird to just completely ignore one of the Von Erichs. Honestly feels a little gross

@ralphpal

8 ай бұрын

They didnt have the time

This had to have been the most nitpicky review of a movie I’ve ever seen 😂 y’all wanted an exploitative, dramatized Hollywood film lol. It relies on your own emotions and experience to carry it in a pretty careful and ingenious way. Hope the next marvel movie gets your vote for best picture 👍 this review was “superficial”

Sucks to hear that you guys didn’t agree with the script. Still interested in seeing a dramatic performance from Zac Efron. Thanks for the hard work!

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

He's good here! It's his best work yet.

In the Iron Claw they speak with a Hawaiian Drawl

Alonso, if you’re a dad, would you play santa claus to your kid?

Interesting. I've seen more positive reviews from other reviewers in this space like Fish Jelly. Might still check it out. And no I'm not the skater. 😂 my profile pic is me. I wanted to add this in the stream but YT kicked me out 😂

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Glad you were able to join us for a little while! Wonder why YT kicked you out, sorry about that. Let us know what you think.

it's weird how those abs don't look like wrestler's belly, that's some magical realism I can't buy.

This movie broke me. 10/10 for me.

Literally felt the opposite of everything u guys said but it’s all good lol still love u

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for being reasonable, we appreciate it!

I loooove Rush! Now I’m a bigger fan of you!

I'm not a wrestling person, so this film has limited draw for me. I'm wondering if you have to be wrestling-adjacent to be excited for this (enough to want to go see it in a theater). I'll watch this on digital eventually, but it's not a theater movie for me.

@thefilmseeker

8 ай бұрын

I can't stand the exaggerated fakeness of pro-wrestling and this movie absolutely gripped me.

@brianstout8847

8 ай бұрын

It’s much more about the family than wrestling, which is convincingly staged. I had a slight amount of nostalgia due to the era, but it’s not necessary to be a wrestling fan to find it moving.

When I first saw the trailer, I thought it was about the Hart family (in Calgary), who were my neighbors growing up. The story seemed so eerily similar. I didn't realize there was another wrestling family called the Von Erich's. I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the review.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

I'm surprised you know The Hart family but not also The Von Erich family. I know they probably didn't wrestle much, if at all, but they were still around the same time frame right? Maybe you got out of wrestling fast as a kid. It happens and if you only like your small group of people as a kid you probably never researched other random wrestling families. I would recommend this film to you as a former fan of wrestling. It is surely more than a 5 of 6 out of 10 film. Easily gets in the 'B' range.

@squatch545

7 ай бұрын

@@ssilva872 We moved away when I was 10. So I didn't have as much contact with the Harts after that. My brother who was more into wrestling than I, kept in contact, and also went to Owen's funeral. But as kids, we rode the school bus with Bret, Ross, Keith, Georgia, and Alison. It was a rowdy bus...lol.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

@@squatch545 That sounds fun. It's still sad about what happened to Owen. :(

Hey Christy and Alonso… so we heard your recommendations for better Sean Durkin films (Marcia Mary May Marlene was the best film of that year in my opinion), but what is a better film about wrestling in your opinion?

I’d rather watch 10 movies like this, instead Hollywood’s assembly line of cringe films trying to push some eye rolling agenda.

I'm probably not alone by admitting that my high expectations for this film is likely a projection derived from my positive experiences from The Bear.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

See that's the thing -- he's so great in The Bear, so it's frustrating to see how little of a character he gets to play here.

@jamk2668

8 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay I feel like you saw a different movie. If anything, he's probably the second most important character in the film. I actually think Sean Durkin felt the need to make the movie more accessible because he's usually a little more observational. The film could have used a more distant approach but it kind of takes the prestige route and inserts too much effort in fleshing out each character instead of just displaying life and embracing presence, allowing the audience to come to their own conclusions. I also noticed neither of you engage in deeper discussions regarding the formalism of films which is by far the most important aspect of cinema.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

@@jamk2668 Aren't you sweet, though, to watch our reviews anyway. Thanks so much.

His dad sold out the garden back in his day.

Hey guys… so we know that you have recommended better Sean Durkin films, but what is a better film about wrestling in your opinion?

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

The Wrestler is a great one!

Just saw this with my wife tonight....5.5/10...I think this film stuck too close to the standard biopic formula. I wished the story or editing of the film would've been told with like a "arms length away approach" kinda how the film "Ida" was edited and shot. would have been way more effective than inserting the standard sad music at the dramatic scenes. Reaching too hard for the feels. The story is tragic by itself. Martha Marcy May Marlene is Durkins best. I'll have to rewatch The Nest. wasn't into it on first viewing. Either way me and my wife love to come home and watch you film reviews of the movie that we just saw. Thanks Alonso and Christi!

I agree sad stuff happens but I wasn’t close to crying like I saw many did because I just didn’t care about the actual characters enough

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@arlopear7136

6 ай бұрын

Same here. I felt Durkin hit the gas pedal once David died & didn't let the audience live with the loss in between each tragedy to make it hit home. No wonder Durkin said he didn't have time for Chris because his plan was apparently to fly through each tragedy to get to his absolutely cringe afterlife reunion. All art is subjective but the fact that that part is so emotionally powerful to so many people just blows my mind. I thought it was pure Cheese lol, but hey, to each their own.

I found it moving but I see what y’all are saying too. Valid all around!

As soon as you said they just scrapped one of the brothers I tapped out......get it. Would much rather watch a documentary.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Right? It's a weird choice.

@jasoncarrick5461

8 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay They probably lost every wrestling fan out there w/ that one, and that is a huge mistake.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

@@jasoncarrick5461 No I think they lost people who want to watch documentaries and or expect EVERY detail of an entire families life to be compressed perfectly into a 2 hour and 12 minute movie. They did a decent enough job of combining Chris Von Erich with Kerry Von Erich (played by Jeremy Allen White) actually now that I read up on Chris. He was the smallest of the brothers at 5 foot 5 while Kerry was 6 foot 2. Jeremy Allen White is 5 foot 7 for the record. Their suicides and why they did it were very similar too so they probably didn't want to show the same scenes twice in the same 30 minute span of the film. It does suck that he got short changed but if anything they should have given him more of a spotlight after the movie ended and they talked about/showed how good Kevin and his extended family are doing. My main advice for you anyone with your outlook is to reach for the ropes and don't tap out so fast. You can do it!

@jasoncarrick5461

7 ай бұрын

@@ssilva872 lol

She sees the wrassaling as a joke

The first bad review that I heard so far from 16 reviews

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

We're mixed, actually -- but it's OK to have a different opinion!

@ricobowen312

8 ай бұрын

I’ve heard 28 reviews so far and this is the only negative one.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

@@ricobowen312 Again ... we are mixed on it.

@SlimCharles2023

7 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDayNo just two ignorant people who should stick to Disney movies or comic book films

This is a strange movie for me in A way. I loved the first half, completely shattered by the tragedies, felt broken. But wasnt sure the screenplay justified the story enough to earn those moments. Also did they play the lack of emotions as subtlety? The reactions to the first death, then Pomy quietly crying in the funeral, what were those all about? What worked big time were the way the wrestlings were shot. But those too kinda gone colder, specially the last big battle was so disappointing. Din hv enough for the buildup it did. Then, at places the acting felt off. That gun.gifting scene between the dad and Jeremy, the acting felt forced. I think Zac is the only good thing first to last. I hope that softness was right on par with the real character. Cz otherwise, that felt weird too at times. Love the music, energy and the story though. But ultimately a bit underwhelming. Probably din unlove it as much u did. But din love it the way I thought I would. Overall, Durkin's MMM was the best followed by The Nest, which was underrated. This one is a missed opportunity.

But why Zack Efron looks like Robert Z'Dar, tho?

Can't say I agree on this one. Sure, it's one-note, but at least it's a note that, for me at least, works (not entirely unlike a certain inferior kaiju movie that was *extremely* one-note that got a whole lot of praise all over the place recently...)

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

I liked both of the movies you are talking about though. >_ Can we go after a different movie? Particularly one that is in the Goldderby Top 10 so that a different fringe contender could possibly take its place? I do not hate The Holdovers but I'm just saying if it missed Best Picture (won't happen) and especially Best Director I would not cry. Nominate the actors and the script but even then I wouldn't give wins to anything in that movie as of today with everything I've seen. And I've seen the vast majority of the realistic Best Picture contenders in the top 30 at Goldderby minus American Fiction, The Zone of Interest, The Color Purple, All of Us Strangers, The Boy and the Heron, and Society of the Snow. So maybe I'll like those more than The Holdovers or maybe I won't but I will for sure see them all before the Oscars. Probably more things too like Rustin, Priscilla, Fair Play, etc. I'm curious what movie in the top 10 would you deny a Best Picture nomination from to hopefully replace it with a different film.

@thefilmseeker

7 ай бұрын

@@ssilva872 I too would have no problem booting Holdovers in order to guarantee a spot for Zone of Interest. Hell, get Barbie tf out of there while we're at it to keep a slot open for Anatomy of a Fall. But nah G-1 is extremely overhyped too, just about the same quality-wise as Holdovers imo.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

@@thefilmseeker I still need to see Zone of Interest and expect that I will like it. I don't mind Barbie but I also won't be that sad if it missed out (of course it won't though). I absolutely want Anatomy of a Fall in Best Picture so anyone can be snubbed for it imo especially since it is not a guaranteed BP nominee atm which is some BS! As for Godzilla -1 I went in with no expectations (until 10 minutes before I swore it was animated smh..) and was very pleased with what I saw. I actually cared for the characters and the budget went a LONG way compared to many Hollywood films. I wouldn't expect top nominations for it on its best day but a Score nomination would have been awesome had it not missed the long list. Maybe Visual Effects and Sound if anything.

@thefilmseeker

7 ай бұрын

@@ssilva872 probably missed the score long list because the most memorable, impactful musical moments just lift the theme directly from the OG Godzilla. Good moments, but the omission from the long list makes perfect sense.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

@@thefilmseeker That happens a lot and is a risk films take. Poor Arrival got snubbed for using a popular On the Nature of Daylight in the film.. 😢

Yeah, these two didn’t see the same The Iron Claw I saw.

Von Erichs live on ‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥💯🔥💯💯💯

"80's Texas style". I mean, it happened in the 80's in Texas, so yeah. I know ya'll live in a bubble out there, but other states in this country are real places with real people. Other eras were real, too. Keep up.

@BreakfastAllDay

2 ай бұрын

Hi Sabrina, we both lived in Texas in the '80s and '90s and recall that time fondly. Thanks so much for catching up with our review.

That “sudden turn into magical realism” scene had me crying, but okay

@andreitarkovsky3214

6 ай бұрын

not me i was like "WTF REALLY?"

You have to be the only people that i have seen on youtube so far that is being harsh criticaly i bet you guys knew nothing of the vons before this movie was thought of

This review is just insulting. Wrestlers are actors, stuntmen and women as well as some of the most athletic people on earth they don’t get second takes and work 300+ days a year to entertain their fans. For y’all to just spew ignorant statements is ridiculous. But hey hahaha right?

@TNTGFX

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, yes, the fat guy would get a cardiac arrest just by selling an Irish Whip.

I didn't care for it, I hated the father figure and no, it isn't no all of us strangers

Thank you for this. The overwhelmingly positive response to The Iron Claw has left me completely puzzled. Happy to see that someone out there shares my frustration with the story's structure.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

Ha, thanks for watching and chiming in!

@user-sw9ev8lc9k

7 ай бұрын

It had a 87 rotten Tomato an a 97 Audience score So you're in the Minority here 😅

@user-sw9ev8lc9k

7 ай бұрын

You must be part of that 13 percent out of 87 Crowd or that 3 percent out of 97 crowd

This movie is not about wrestling this movie is a family drama that should touch you whether you're into the sport or not there's a couple of editing issues and they leave the littlest brother out of the story completely but it still is a great story❤❤

awesome reviw, still looking forward to seeing it ,sad to hear that it was not great

@billy9497able

8 ай бұрын

Take it with a grain of salt. I’ve seen plenty of reviews that said it was incredible. It’s just someone’s opinion, not a matter of fact. Don’t let positive or negative reviews impact your opinion.

@Flash18487

8 ай бұрын

It was great

@lucyhalefan581

8 ай бұрын

@@Flash18487 glad to hear you enjoyed it

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

Their opinion is NOT gospel. 87% RT and 94% audience exit score reviews are MUCH more telling and are statistically accurate. I'm not trying to hate too much on them because I am a subscriber and the videos I watch of theirs are generally good. But imo they are wrong and it isn't just me because like I pointed out my statistics are valid as of Christmas Day.

This movie was great especially since I lived through it.

Oof, it’s clear these guys aren’t familiar with Texas culture and its wrestling culture. It doesn’t seem like yall had the right mind when coming into this movie. Like yall had expectations already coming into the movie and when they weren’t met, yall tack on to the little things and make it seem like a bigger issue than it is. “The wigs are a problem”…but that’s how their hair actually looked. Yall said their father was one note but Kevin Von Erich said himself there were many fathers in Texas who were like that (me being from Texas, it reminded me of my grandpa) so yeah his father will remain the same no matter in tough situations. They’re all “one note” but with all the BIG story they try to fit in a movie and how good it already is, why is that relevant? They’re wrestlers and brothers who are competitive at becoming the best in wrestling in a movie focused about wrestling and family, if they’re one note then it’s the right note I guess. I could still go on but it’s just clear this isn’t one of their best reviews

@LegitKiller4Life

7 ай бұрын

Not trying to sound negative in any way. More like people sitting around a camp fire and discussing opinions. Art doesn’t hit everyone the same way.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

We both spent several years in Dallas, actually. I even went to SMU -- just like Fritz Von Erich. Thanks for your comments, Christy

@LegitKiller4Life

7 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay that’s great! Dallas is a great city. Though I still feel all that you said adds little to your opinions on this review (It doesn’t really matter that you came here for school and lived here for awhile, my point is that you weren’t raised in a Texan’s house with Texas values to really understand the culture of Texas), I still watch and enjoy hearing your other reviews!

It was very conventional… the performances were very good especially Zac Efron. I didn’t mind the manipulation strings it was pulling… it almost made me cry… but not quite… 8/10.

So you didnt like it?

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

We're mixed on it.

You know what? They are right..

The actors in this movie are very small physically. The wrestlers were very large men. I can't get over it.

@bobcobb3654

8 ай бұрын

That’s why filmmakers utilize sense of scale. Jeremy Allen White was never going to be able to put on 80 pounds of muscle and then lose it before he had to go back to work on The Bear. Even Mickey Rourke, who bulked up a lot for his movie, would have still been on the smaller end of pro wrestlers in the 80s, when all of them were taking steroids. It’s a better result to have an actor get as bulked as they can and use camera tricks than try to teach a non-actor with a wrestler’s body how to act.

@Flashbagfolly

8 ай бұрын

@@bobcobb3654 Nobody who has any idea who these guys are is going to buy these portrayals. It's not even close.

It was a great movie

The inclusion of ad product placements has made this channel unwatchable... As soon as Christy mentions "light sabres" I turn it off.

@wolflarson71

8 ай бұрын

Welcome to KZread.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback. We make very little money from KZread ads, so we're trying to find other ways to monetize by partnering with brands we believe in. You will be shocked to learn that being a film critic is not an especially high-paying profession! Thanks for watching.

@VictorDiGiovanni

8 ай бұрын

On the contrary, I find it delightful how the ad is going to be segued into. I try to pinpoint it before they say the word "lightsaber" or whatever it is. I have failed every time so far.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

@@VictorDiGiovanni Ha, thanks Victor! We aim to entertain.

@jmason61

8 ай бұрын

Good riddance then.... It's cool free content if you can't tolerate some ad stuff to help the channel make some $ go back to your cable bill

My fav movie channel

Shallow summary by a couple of weeds.

Breakfast all day only gave this a negative review because they really wanted to review aquaman 2 smh Lol jk jk jk. love you guys!!! Thank you for all you do ❤

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

Oh we'll have an Aquaman 2 review later this week. We like to do it all around here!

I was also disappointed in this movie. It's obvious we're in the vast minority when it comes to this movie and that's fine by me. The fact that Durkin felt his movie couldn't withstand the REAL tragedy of Chris Von Erich in this movie shows you that the Von Erich story should have been a mini-series and not a movie. You simply can't do true justice to this unbelievably tragic story in 2 hours. However I've since come to accept that this movie isn't meant for me and other hardcore pro wrestling/Von Erichs/World Class fans who know this story in depth, its for the casuals and general audiences who know very little and next to nothing & they seem to love it. Which is great, all art is subjective and it's a hit. But I expected more and I felt what I got was a, while well acted, bland, hollow and rushed story. The rushed part kicks in right after the first tragedy, the sudden death of David in Japan. It felt like Durkin just stepped on the gas to speed us through 9 years worth of real life tragedy & cram it into what I believe was 2 years in his story. I came to accept that Chris Von Erich wasn't going to be in this movie and I forgave that, but I'm not giving a pass on the hurried pace of the tragedies seem to take & outside of the ending the only time they seem to stop and feel & let resonate grief was Doris not wanting to wear the same dress for Mike's funeral. That was powerful and I wanted more grief from a mother who buried 4 children in the movie (The real Doris buried 5). Eventhough I didn't love this film like so many it still amazes me that even a quick cliff notes version of the Von Erichs story the The Iron Claw really is, is having such a profound impact on people who knew nothing about this story prior to this movie. As I've been seeing on social media, lots of them are horrified to find out that the real tragedies are far worse than the movie portrayed. I don't think this a bad movie by any means but considering how much I was looking forward to seeing this story come to life on the big screen it was a letdown by film's end

I just saw it Christmas night and I disagree with this video. If you are both disappointed in the film then ok but I'm disappointed in your review so there lol. While it is not perfect by any means it simply doesn't deserve 5-6/10. It probably does help to be a wrestling fan, which I am, although I was born after most of the stuff shown in the film happened. Still, I already knew the tragic story and I did really believe the actor's bond as brothers. I guess knowing what happened to them didn't mean I knew how their parents treated them. I was appalled at how their parents apparently acted towards them when they tried to ever get any emotional support. If you have kids do not act like these parents... Because I knew tragedy was coming around the corner, when they each started dying it was very sad and I think Efron as the main character and last man standing did do a great job. At least I was impressed considering his prior work typically not being even considered for any type of notable award. I do think that eliminating a son was not the best choice but the movie could only realistically be so long. I probably would have preferred an HBO limited series with the same people just fleshed out more but it was released as a movie so what can you do? If it was made how I wanted, people would just complain that it had too many filler plots so again you cannot please everyone. In the end I'm glad the overall RT score is 87% and the audience exit score is 94% which both vastly differ from you two. In the end that is what really matters because that will more likely determine the amount of people who check it out rather than a KZread review that is an outlier.

wtf, this movie was unexpectedly (by me) incredible!!

@BreakfastAllDay

5 ай бұрын

Glad it worked for you more than it did for us!

@coldsilence2

5 ай бұрын

@@BreakfastAllDay haha, fair enough 😊👍

Never got the whole wrestling thing...if it was a football story maybe I'd be more interested

I didn't like it, saw it last night, some great films recently, this isn't one of them.

I think stunted growth was a large part of the commentary on masculinity this movie makes. I also think the movie isn’t just ohhhh masculinity = toxic. The brothers have a deep sincere love for each other that they aren’t embarrassed about. Unfortunately the dad is training them from a young age to always seek his fleeting approval. This stunts them in their development and even them constantly walking around in their undies is probably a reference to that.

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

That is a really astute observation, thanks for that.

The movie did have a rotten tomatoe of 87 an Audience score of 97

It’s a good but sad movie I loved the movie

I didn’t know Santa Claus reviewed films 😂😂😂

@BreakfastAllDay

7 ай бұрын

What can't he do?

I didn't like it. Very slow, boring, surface. Sadly, it just wasn't good to me.

the movie is decent at best, it left out so many details and glossed over the tragedies, to me it wasn't anything special

Talk about a movie I have zero interest in! lol Wow! Professional wrestling? Yikes. Never even heard of the Von Erichs, but thats a result of completely ignoring the sport. Maybe I'll watch when it's streaming. I always appreciate the reviews though. If Christy and Alonso had liked it enough, I would probably add it to my list of movies to see.

@BreakfastAllDay

8 ай бұрын

There's so much else that's great this time of year. But we are very much in the minority here.

Absolute disservice to this gem of a flick. Am I surprised at your reaction/review? Not at all. As a matter of fact I completely expected you to not see the movie for what it is but what you wanted it to be. Nothing wrong with that in general but you’re so off the mark with this one that I won’t bother watching anything else you have to offer.

@BreakfastAllDay

5 ай бұрын

Sorry to see you go, but it is totally OK to disagree on movies. Healthy, even.

Growing up during WCCWs heyday I know all about the Von Erich families story, and I also was very upset with the movie acting like Chris Von Erich never existed. It seems like they could have added him without adding too much time. Sure he didn't make an impact on the business like his brothers, but he literally could have just been in the background with a line or two here and there. Kind of surprised the Von Erich family okayed the omission of Chris. I can honestly say I never would have. He was part of the family so he should have been in the movie.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

I basically posted this to someone else who was mad at this choice by the film maker and or studio (because do we know who actually had the final call on this?): In a movie with only 2 hours and 12 minutes I feel that it did a decent enough job of combining Chris Von Erich with Kerry Von Erich (played by Jeremy Allen White). I read up on Chris after hearing he was omitted and all I could find was that his life sadly was cut short like most of his other brothers and because he was the smallest of the brothers at 5 foot 5 he didn't make an impact in the wrestling business. So I think they did a decent enough job of combining Chris with Kerry (who was 6 foot 2) because they had Jeremy Allen White who is 5 foot 7 portray Kerry. Both Kerry and Chris' suicides and why they did it were very similar too so they (either the director/studio people in charge) probably didn't want to show the same scenes twice in the same 30 minute span of the film. So yeah you either include Chris in the background for like two seconds then kill him off some other way that isn't accurate or show the same scenes twice and now the movie is longer by like 20 minutes (if the studio even allows that). So there really is no winning and I am not going to dwell on it too much. It does suck that Chris got short changed but if anything they should have given him more of a spotlight after the movie ended and they talked about/showed how good Kevin and his extended family are doing. I don't know why the family didn't insist he was represented there but apparently the family was ok with it so I will leave it at that.

Good film for those new to the story. Likely a letdown for those who grew up with the Von Erichs. The film has Kerry win the NWA title then immediately lose his foot, implying it happened the next day, not two years later. Nothing was gained narratively by starting to compress time or combine events like that. All of those tragic turns didn't feel earned by the end. Mike did return to the ring, after his brain damage, which would have made his father's demands on his sons even more aggregious. His suicide seems to come out of nowhere. Kevin never had that final match with Ric Flair in 1986. World Class had seceded from the NWA before that. Simply telling that, would have better shown Fritz' stubbornness to go at it alone in the business, all the more painful to watch. His promotion went into decline from all the tragedy, loss of talent and inability to compete with bigger promotions like the WWF. A couple lines of dialogue would have gone a long way to show the contrast between World Class at the beginning of their boom and by the end when they sold to Jarret. The film did great by David, but failed to show just how big Kerry really was as a national figure. His character was given so little to do. The movie doesn't answer the question, why was Kerry the natural one to take David's place to win the NWA title? And yes, no Chris Von Erich. No Lance Von Erich, the fake cousin, brought in to keep up with the Von Erich demand at the arenas.

@ssilva872

7 ай бұрын

Explain how you could fit all of their lives into a 2 hour and 12 minute movie? Well actually don't even bother because it is not possible. I already said in my main comment here that this would have been better as HBO limited series with like 6-8 episodes but we got the 2 episode version of that so what can you do? Even with 6-8 hours I don't know if you would get the detail you demand from their wrestling careers.