Most useful and pointless device at the same time

@WhoWeAre1311

24 күн бұрын

That has to be the best and most accurate tagline describing the iPad Pro I’ve ever read! 😆

@carlvjack

24 күн бұрын

I have an iPad and a MacBook Air and I gotta admit the iPad gets used so much more...

@PU-xm2gs

24 күн бұрын

2018 ipad is my sweet spot. Been rocking it since 2019 for note taking. An M chip iPad would be worth it if it could run MacOS apps.

@prinzexisalowqualityytber

23 күн бұрын

@@carlvjack yeah but an m4 chip on the ipad??????????????????????????

@ray-jking2035

23 күн бұрын

The market simply disagrees with that weird niche online thinking. iPads in general sell about 2x to 3x as much as Macs and MacBooks combined. So it’s clearly a perfectly meaningful and fantastic computing device for most people.

not gonna lie, davinci resolve on iPad is pretty solid.

@jyubonk88

24 күн бұрын

Do you use their speed editor keyboard?

@swisstrader

24 күн бұрын

Maybe explain what that is…

@Tr4ns1st0r

11 күн бұрын

@@swisstrader It's a video editor. You have the entirety of the world's knowledge at your fingertips if you just take a moment to type something into a search bar.

@Saigi7

8 күн бұрын

@@swisstrader maybe use GOOGLE? the thing that is able to explain anything? for free? anytime?

Tap and hold is a simple solution to a right click using touch and it's actually used by most apps.

@JoshuaChang

25 күн бұрын

Would be tough with video editing apps where you need to tap and hold to drag clips around but yeah it does sort of function as right click in more basic apps

@NicVandEmZ

24 күн бұрын

@@JoshuaChang i think it’s going to change make it self pro in ios18 instead of complaining now wait until June 10 wwdc sometime companies released products before the software is pro software plus apple is working on hybrid os for the iPad Pro

@Sebbir

24 күн бұрын

I think Affinity Photo cracked this years ago with finger modifiers

@nothumanlol

24 күн бұрын

@@NicVandEmZ it will never be pro enough until it uses macOS

@petervrba8455

24 күн бұрын

@@JoshuaChangthis is already solved. Home screen on the ipad, you tap and hold to move the icons, but you can also tap and hold to bring up the context menu. The difference is if you move the finger or not.

The iPad Pro isn’t a laptop replacement if your only computer is a laptop. It was for me because my main computer is a Mac Studio. And I’m not gonna do the same things I do on my Mac Studio on a MacBook Air which is the iPad Pro specs. I need a digital drawing device, and I don’t do enough heavy work to need a MacBook Pro. It’s an amazing drawing device, and I like the focused nature of the OS. I rarely use my keyboard with the iPad. One of the reasons the tablet form factor hasn’t switched as the dominant one in the windows world in the over 10 years Microsoft has been pushing it, it’s because windows sucks as a touch only interface. The iPad and Android devices work because even with no accessories it works fine. I don’t see anyone having a good time just using the surface without a keyboard.

I just appreciate ur great edited videos

The problem with the second mouse button is already solved - the squeeze function on the Apple Pencil Pro gives contextual menus in apps. Right-clicking on a mouse could provide the same functionality. Similarly, holding down a finger (or two) could also do it.

You are about to hit 200k soon!!

MacPad OS doesn't sound so bad 😂

@JoshuaChang

25 күн бұрын

😅

@davidhoang2527

18 күн бұрын

MacPaw is amazing but.. if one switch to mac they basically lose the touch screen. Which is a waste. Unless apple can do something with that touch screen on Mac. That’s not how they gonna do it.

Mapping right-click contextual menus to a long press would go a long way to bridging the gap between point/click and touch. Only issue I could foresee is the limitation of screen size and not all options fitting onto the screen. iPadOS already has a scalable UI, and obviously the OS recognises when the Magic Keyboard is attached. So, while I am undecided how I personally feel about it, a solution could be to lock certain functionality to certain accessories, such as the UI scales down to be more point/click friendly depending on whether the Magic Keyboard is attached or not. Sure, it’s somewhat similar to how Windows interfaces with the keyboard folio attaching to the Surface Pro. Realistically, users who want that functionality are typically going to purchase a Magic Keyboard anyway for that purpose, so the act of “splitting” the user base through the purchase of an accessory could work and makes business sense to implement

When you attach the Magic Keyboard the iPad engages in “Pro Mode” which adjusts to a Mac-style environment. Boom 🎉

@miguelotano6622

24 күн бұрын

Yeah that seems to be the best case scenario is keeping both iPad OS but also using that M4 chip in a more MacOS type setting. Like a Samsung tablet activating Dex

@bruceinmyheart

24 күн бұрын

Then the Mac OS Lite would be stored on the iPad when you buy the iPad. This option would not be taken lightly by the EU commission 👌🏻

@tN0able

23 күн бұрын

So apps will get even more expensive because of the 1% of “pro” users seeking a mouse OS on an iPad? Please no.

@davidhoang2527

18 күн бұрын

Bad idea..😂 who will write apps for that half baked OS? Not to mention wasting the touchscreen for nothing

@kriiler

4 күн бұрын

@@bruceinmyheart hmm maybe it doesnt have to be the mkb exclusively? you can get the same cursor/typing experience connecting a third party keyboard and mouse. so ipad engages to “promode” when it detects any hardware keyboard/mouse

Very true! Mouse and finger touch mehavior are completely different.

"Growing discussion" 😂 This discussion has been going on for years. It just keeps getting refreshed for every new iPad release and with the same exact conclusions.

Most comprehensive video I've seen about this 👏👏

Have you seen MatePad Pro 13.2 before? They have a word processor that is the same as desktop version. Desktop apps can be had by using a pen for click, finger for scroll/zoom. That is also possible

So reason why “Files” castrated and literally empty, we all can see that even in this video, is because “touch system”? Well, that is a biggest excuse I can imagine. I have on my iPad Air plenty of space for new tabs and options to implement in Files. Don’t try to sell intended lack of option as inability to add it. Tap’n’hold for double click is rocket science? it’s already working on ipad

God damn, the polish of this video. The articulation, the color correction, video quality and editing is top notch. The only thing missing is the light music in the background.

The right click can be easy emulated by a long tap

Your one of the few youtubers who actually help viewers learn what you're talking about, thank you. Ipad is kinda a expensive youtube player.

Like it. It’s better than 99% of other YT vids where it’s just a marketing spec sheet readout without deeper analysis what’s under the hood. Love it. Thank you. P.S. Would be cool to see comparison between Pro apps on macOS and iPadOS i.e. Lightroom workflow, DaVinci Resolve etc. or even MacBook paired with Wacom Cintiq Pro vs iPad Pro paired with peripherals e.g. Studio Display, keyboard and mouse.

They should just make the apple "pro" apps free just for the iPad pro, to justify that steep price. Logic and Final cut being subscription based hurts alot.

@litjellyfish

24 күн бұрын

Why? I mean I might want to buy it and don’t have any use of such apps. No don’t tie hardware to hardware together. Never been a goody idea

@CallMeRabbitzUSVI

24 күн бұрын

​@@litjellyfishHe never stated that it would be tied to the Pro iPads just that it should be free for Pro buyers. Logic and Final Cut used to be buy once, own forever but with the switch to subscriptions are a slap in the face to professionals who would otherwise love to own this device for many years

@stevenkapute1846

24 күн бұрын

Womp womp

@theonlydiego1

11 күн бұрын

@@CallMeRabbitzUSVIIsn’t subscription based because it is an iPad app? Macs should still be buy once keep forever.

It would be nice if the app configured itself to a click based system once a keyboard is attached or connected. Might even push for sales for the magic keybaord.

I have got a M4 13 iPad Pro, been loving it, as a touch first tablet it’s pretty much perfect. When I plug in a keyboard and external screen the option to them run and use a virtual pc with Mac osx on it would be perfect. 99.9% of the time I just need the touch interface but every done and them the full power of a traditional keyboard and mouse os would be highly helpful. I have a Mac book pro but in 8 years I only used it a few times and now it’s out of date and I don’t see the point of replacing it. I have used Samsung dex, they have a done a way better implementation of allowing mobile apps to be used when docked. Apple could learn a lot from them. At the end of the day touchscreen and external keyboard and mouse have completely different needs for user interaction.

Hey Joshua, you explained the real problem here quite perfectly! Tbh i'm surprised few tech KZreadrs would actually delve into the explanation of this dilemma the way you did, as if they afraid of angering Tim Apple... Anyhow, I wish you're wrong about WWDC. But I don't think so. Thanx again for the video it was great💪.

Good discussion! Did you end up keeping the nano texture ?

It's interesting to know Apple's stance is, though. The VP of iPad and Mac marketing publicly stated in the Wall Street Journal that the two devices are not competing with one another, and that they instead compliment each other. I would never replace my Mac for the iPad. It simply too hard to adapt the workflows. Instead, I use my iPad to make my life on the Mac easier (i.e., Continuity, having a secondary display on the go, etc.)

@Hiro_Ieyasu

24 күн бұрын

Yes, that's exactly what they want: for consumers to buy both devices.

@CallMeRabbitzUSVI

24 күн бұрын

​@@Hiro_IeyasuIts surprising how people don't see this

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

You can just set up either remote desktop or cloud pc (if you have a spare machine or spare money for a sub) and voila: You're running both iPadOS for tablet use and for laptop use any of: MacOS, Windows11 or Linux (any distro). It's total bs by Apple that they're "incompatible species!" All Apple needs to between now and releasing a new OS in the future that merges iOS/MacOS is enable Virtualization so people can remote into desktop either via network/cloud or locally... It's as simple as that.

@JerryGonzalez

24 күн бұрын

When was this article posted? I’d like to read it.

@MickiMinach

22 күн бұрын

The iPad pricing is unfair tbh. You can get a Macbook with the iPad Pro prices and it doesn't even do as much as the Macbook. If they lower the price of iPads, then the 2 product lines complementing each other would make sense.

5:53 I'm waiting for an iPad Mini Pro actually. An iPad Mini with 120Hz OLED

I love Lightroom on iPad and I love how fast the device is but there are a few reasons I couldn’t use ONLY an iPad as my full time work device. One is just not being able to drag and drop files is truly infuriating sometimes. With stage manager and an external monitor it feels a bit cumbersome to move between apps IMO. Zoom acts more like a phone app than the desktop app which doesn’t allow you to see the chat and view the speaker/people at the same time (something I use often in both work and for an online class I take after work hours a few times a week). It really is a great device and something I love traveling with (also use it as my primary personal device) but I can’t see using one for work unless they make stage manager much more robust and turn it into much more of a full desktop experience.

Only good solution will be a sort of Virtualisation, similar to Parallels and its Coherence mode where both OS merge to a single UI.

Just put a toggle to switch between touch and mouse. Issue solve.

@sparky6757

24 күн бұрын

That's extremely inelegant though. Me personally, I prefer function over form - that's why I use Windows and Android. But I used to use Apple everything, and credit where due, while Apple's operating systems are not my favorite they WERE elegant always. Having a toggle between touch-optimized and mouse-optimized interfaces would go against Apple's design philosophy. Also we don't see ANYONE using this, despite laptop-tablet hybrids not just being an Apple thing (Samsung and Microsoft come to mind). In fact I think a feature like that used to exist for Windows 10 tablets that got removed in Windows 11 because it was in many ways less functional than just keeping it consistent.

@transient_snail2528

24 күн бұрын

@@sparky6757 Toggling stage manager on when using it on my magic keyboard already kinda feels like this tho. I know stage manager also works on touch but i think it is mostly used with the magic keyboard or on external screens

@chhoyla

24 күн бұрын

@@sparky6757I use both iOS and now I’ve switched to MacOS, and while Apple definitely pulls off animations, design language, UI, and even performance, there are definitely a lot of “inelegant” things. Lack of calculator on iPadOS i’d the easiest one. Having to download a third party calculator is definitely not elegant. You can’t photos by size on iOS which means you can only check manually or use a third party which is extremely inelegant. You also can’t keep the naturally scrolling on for using the trackpad while off for the mouse meaning you have to resort to third party software again which is not elegant.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

@@chhoyla Agree many users can point out a ton of inelegant, buggy and poor implementations in MacOS and iPadOS. It all boils down to Apple ripping people off by using 2 devices: 1. Apple Tax to increase expense/price 2. Deliberate limitations in the software to separate tablet and laptop markets to boost sales and avoid cannabalization. I'd accept the price of 1 but in combination with 2 it's underhand and dirty whatever anyone says about Apple being a profitable company.

@tN0able

23 күн бұрын

And this will bring all the features? Combining a touch and mouse OS is a bad idea, IMHO

The missing point is here that iPad Is a touch based OS. Which also have advantages compared to a mouse driven. Key thing is. Could Apple run macOS on iPad if they want. Yes. Will they do it. No not for a long time as they want users to both buy an iPad and a MacBook. Then have now enlarged ui items in macOS a lot making them closer in size to iPadOS This to have a visual coherence in both. And adding features that conceptually works for both like stage manager.

I have been using my Ipad Pro 2020 as a secondary screen for my MBP and I have loved it as a extended monitor, a dual boot or a VM OS / Mac Mode option should be fired up as soon it is connected to wired/wireless accessories meant for a PRO mode

I returned my pro 11" today. It's just a workflow nightmare and my favourite apps look crapola on there, to the point that I was just adding apps like Reddit and Instagram to the home screen via safari. After a disappointing trial, now I just appreciate my MacBook Air even more. Wait for the Mini, hope for a foldable phone; otherwise, Apple's iPads are a no for me.

@davidhoang2527

18 күн бұрын

iPad apps are the real problem here. they are just crap out less features than web app.

We are in an era where even portable and ultra-slim laptops are still quite heavy. People desire even more portability with all-screen tablets that can also function as laptops. For those on the go, a 2-in-1 device is ideal.

During your presentation, my initial reaction was that a dual boot tablet would be the most logical solution. Given the convergence on the hardware side has already happened, the convergence on the software side isn’t quite there yet and so a proper dual boot would most likely satisfy most folks clamoring for a sort of ‘pro ultra’ (I know, i know…marketing…) device. That said, I feel there is another option kinda out there that really strikes me as the sort of high-concept solution that Apple likes to go for: a dual mode iPad. Basically, make an iPad that if it meets certain situational requirements (I.e. mouse and keyboard are connected) will allow the user to transparently move from ‘iPad’ to ‘iPad pro’ mode, in which one can use macOS apps with their full functionality. This really isn’t as far out as it sounds, because visually the Mac and iPadOS are already near convergence and bringing the app environment for both in sync with one another isn’t exactly something developers will love and enjoy, but it does kinda open up a lot of market exploration, so chances are, they’d go along. The downside here is that Apple would be going from undermining their MacBook sales (which is more or less where we are now) to basically cratering them altogether. Should something like this happen, I suspect the last MacBook models won’t be far behind and this dual mode iPad will be its replacement going forward. Lastly (no brevity here!) I’m not entirely certain that a 16” iPad is the way forward. *maybe* a 15” model has some viability, but a tablet of that size is really unwieldy in a lot of all purpose settings. If you want to whip out a 16” monster on a bus or train to do a little coding or whatnot, I suspect it won’t be a terribly happy experience for yourself and those around you. At 16” it might as well come with a mini VESA mount because you are likely just gonna use it as a screen on your desk…

@GarrusVakarian-to2uh

24 күн бұрын

Corporations are ruling the world and software trickery is helping them lockout any competition.

I just want a terminal app w/ bash or zsh and access to almost the entire file system. Oh and Xcode would be good to have, too. I'll likely get the terminal w/ sideloading as I reside in the EU. And no, the Files app is a far too clunky way to manage files compared to a UNIX shell. Tab expansion and wild cards are far more powerful and much faster than using a GUI to select a bunch of files and then the target of an operation etc.

Ironically if windows for ARM lives up to the hype it’s going to be iPads make or break moment.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

It will: Other OEMs (the big Chinese ones for eg) will release 2-in-1s that both are superior in usability across more use cases and cheaper so undercut iPads and people will start buying these in preference to both Macs and iPads forcing Apple to pivot (which they're already planning just squeezing as much money out while they can).

@montymurray8602

24 күн бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 exactly

@5metoo

23 күн бұрын

​@@commentarytalk1446 - WTH does a faster chip have to do with usability? Which is why MS is touting them as AI machines. Windows is something people tolerate if they have to but don't like.

Easy decision save your money, I got the iPad Pro 12.9 inch 6th generation with 256 GB for $890 at BJ’s with a three month return policy. It has a great display more than enough and I saved over $600. I also purchased for $129 on sale the logitech keyboard case which protects it much better than Apple’s and you don’t have to go into settings to adjust the keyboard brightness saved another $220.💵💵💵👈🤪

Really insightful video. For the first time I’m seeing a a possible perspective from an Apple. 👍🏾

I need a fully functional Finder. Files doesn’t cut it for me.

I just want to be able to use Mac apps on my iPad Pro M2, be able to convert files, and be able to update other devices like my camera and capture card by plugging it into my iPad. Unless Apple makes a laptop with a keyboard that can be flipped or detached and it has touchscreen I'd rather stick with my iPad Pro, but I will definitely be upgrading from an 11 inch to a 12.9 M2 soon.

Maybe have those right click context menus pop up with a long press?

I think you're most likely very correct. I would love to see an iPadOS version for the regular iPads and maybe a MacOS for the pro versions that will utilize the M4 chip and 16GB RAM. It's free to dream, otherwise I might as well just keep holding onto my pre M1 iPad Pro, because why not?

With your comment about the iPad needing a larger UI for a touch screen, maybe with a magic keyboard connection the UI could shrink to be used with a cursor (adaptive UI like Windows 11)

I think file system is much bigger issue in iPad os than the touch vs click thing. Apple doesn’t allow you to transfer files between different apps, without jumping through bunch of hoops. This to me shows apple is not interested in risking their Mac sales with the iPad. Which is, I believe, the main issue

I think in the control centre there should be an option to switch to MacOS and MacOS could have bigger buttons to fix the finger problem. Or there could be a setting in the settings app where it automatically switches to MacOS when connected to the keyboard

I think the secret lies in stage manager. It’s the closest thing to Dex Apple have got. If you can connect an iPad to a screen it could enter some kind of different mode that would enable these kind of apps and contextual features that you’re talking about. That way it wouldn’t matter about the size of the device, it’s just about connecting it up to a decent enough screen + peripherals- it enables the iPad to become more like a Mac Mini.

Kinda futuristic but maybe a cursor based on the direction of your eyes could do the trick one day. Maybe you could look somewhere in the UI and click with an actual button on your kb?

Your take is spot on.

Even the max versions of iPhone’s got a problem with content size. I miss Android feature to adjust DPI exactly how i want. It’s a lot of wasted space on a 6.7 inch screen, basically you see 90% same amount of content just bigger. I have M1 12.9 iPad and unless you are a designer or someone that use the pen a lot, there aren’t to many Pro’s. Yes, it’s a great device, it’s powerful but will never replace a laptop for 90% of the people that really work on a laptop. An iPad Pro should be like a Surface but with MacOS.

I agree all we need is dual boot and a larger screen.

Just add a sort of dex mode which enables a mac os full system

This is the debate I’m in with myself right now: buy a new MacBook or iPad Pro with all the accessories? Still not entirely sure which direction to go. I’m rocking a 13” MacBook Pro Retina from 2012 and aside from a one time battery replacement, it’s been a stellar machine. I don’t edit videos often, but when I do I want to be able to do it efficiently. Using my current MacBook, it takes a while for things to render and the MacBook is clearly working hard when I’m using Final Cut Pro. I like the functionality of an iPad and its mobility. Although I’m not an artist, I would 100% get the pen and mess around with different apps using it and try to do art things…for fun. Still not sure which direction I’m gonna go with all this. The last iPad I had was an iPad 2 so it’s come a long way since then.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

If buying an iPad, and you're not some creative industry professional (eg artist or video) then buy the bog-standard cheap iPad: It does 90% of what the top iPad does for x4 less the cost. With the free money you can then choose a laptop if you need 2 devices. You'll end up frustrated trying to edit videos anyway on iPad even with top Pro models for most people that holds true due to crappy file-system, lack of multitasking or background process control and external compatibility issues for storage etc. The reason these videos pop up is because Apple is selling top tier hardware with junk software. It's as simple as that.

They could remove the 13" MacBook from the lineup and make it start at 14". I've always thought 13" was too small and eye straining for a laptop in the modern age. Even in the windows market there's a great demand for 14" inch laptops especially for gaming, but I don't think I've seen a 13" windows laptop in years unless they're the really cheap ones that you usually see around offices. That could possibly remove the "blurred" line as smaller devices can function as touch screens while the new baseline of 14" and higher can be used as laptops

You could theoretically have two interfaces in a single integrated OS system, depending on use, sort of like Windows 8 attempted unsuccessfully. So when keyboard is out you get the interface and functionality of touchscreen based Ipad software, but when you plug it in it switches to a full blown iOS. This would requite integrating these into a single OS with the capacity to switch. It might seem cumbersome, but considering the computing power of today's chips, even at this level, it should be manageable.

@nickthaskater

24 күн бұрын

Android already does this. You get a full desktop UI and a mobile UI.

Here's a thought ... attaching the magic keyboard would enable a new option to trigger MacOS and turn the touch screen off .... will we be fine with this on the iPad Pros??

there's the pencil pro. the closest to a mouse cursor vs the big finger. wouldnt the squeeze act like a right click? i dont think apple would want to merge ipad with mac, or at least for tim cook. if there is a touchscreen macbook, ipad sales will drop. i wonder if m4 mac mini would be thinner and lighter to pair with an ipad? but well, that would be clunky to carry around

We just have to wait for the next OS update that’s coming soon

Really curious if this gen’s ipad pro can run excel functionally. Ps sorry if this is a noob question.

I had normal ipad 2018, ipad pro 2022 than ipad mini 2021. At the end I realized there is no way I can use it as pro user. after sometimes all of them become media consumption devices.

I dont know if youve seen this but there is a new version of dex which is kind of an hybrid of the tablet and dex interface. If apple could implement a similar feature the momment you would connect the magic keyboard, then the user might then get some more use out of the iPad without replacing the mac fully.

@litjellyfish

24 күн бұрын

Why would connecting a hardware trigger a DEX? What DEX features are related to a keyboard?

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

Apple could 100% do a better job with the desktop features than the current alpha-release state of Stage Manager etc. It's purposeful limitations of course. Even with DeX the file-system of iOS/iPadOS is a problem and background tasks control on memory usage. I think a superior and even easier solution is provision Virtualization (eg Parallels in the App store with sub) for Pro Users then it solves the problem for now and Apple don't waste resources on DeX like that really only Pro users need. Ultimately Apple will launch an entirely new OS on iPads mering iPadOS/MacOS so again they can carry on dev'ing that in a secret underground lab somewhere for the future while Pro users get Virtualization which allows local desktop MacOS/Win/Linux apart from remote desktop over network to home computer or cloud pc.

@litjellyfish

24 күн бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 I basically thing exactly the same. I mean it’s been going under the hood for years. Just look the changes inside of ui element in macOS is not happening by chance or what Apple claim is to make it more clear. Tbf macOS has last 10 years mostly got feature tied to mainstream use. And integration and lock in into the Apple ecosystem. Look at a new os release of today. Half what is listed is not about the OS itself but the photo app etc. So Apple plays it smart I must say. Risky but some makes sense. Question is. Will it still be MacBook and iPad as two product lines for ever? Like I mean even today you can use and iPad as an extra display to you MacBook. And use the pen a a cheap Cintiq. But it would be nothing Apple to allow the MacBook to use the M4 chip in an iPad for calculations. Say you work in 3D on your main MacBook and have iPad as extra screen and it also render stuff in the background while you work. Why is Apple not doing this? Well maybe they suspect that many of their pro users also buys an iPad. And if this was possible they would not go for the most high tier MacBook. So yeah they for sure keep hardware features locked and software feature delayed to allow oit this as much as they can.

Chip is powerful but heat is inevitable when you're doing heavy task. Apple knows so they keep the monster inside its cage

I for one would already be really happy, if there would be an option to sign-in multiple users, each with their own respective desktop. The iPad has so much oomph, which makes it quite expensive. Blowing >2000 USD on a M4 iPad Pro 13" would be much better justifiable, if I could share the device with my significant other

Agree, Finally selling my M2 iPad Pro to get an M3 Air for portable Davinci resolve. Ipad OS handicaps this machine. Resolve runs so great on the M2 iPad Pro but I have been unable to get around the Ipad OS. I thought I was going to be able to use a Mouse but the mouse just emulates finger touches. Yes, I do enable the entire Resolve suite but like I said iPad OS makes it a PIA to use.

This is the main problem i'm also having, i really want an ipad due to its extreme versatility and performance, however, i dont want to sacrifice the desktop experience. A dual boot ipad between ipad os and mac os would be great, or even a function where as soon as you attach the magic keyboard or like wise peripherals it switches to a desktop system. But knowing apple, it would have to be apple only peripherals. The ipad has so much potential to replace all laptops and even desktops just with some software changes.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

The best you'll get is: Get a cheap iPad, then run remote desktop from that to your home computer and plug in mouse/keyboard and you're good to go as well as running a tablet. Don't waste money on expensive hardware of the Pros that add nothing except x4 cost as iPadOS currently stands. Maybe wait after WWDC to see if iPadOS-18 delivers a massive upgrade on the OS? Answer: 90% likely it won't because Apple is price laddering and keeping tablet market split artificially via deliberate software limitations.

IMO my solution would be for the software to detect when a keyboard/mouse is attached and allow those apps that need a keyboard/mouse the most to only be used with the keyboard/mouse. Another solution is to implement the apple pencil as a click device. It would make the pencil more useful and they will be more likely to sell more. I do hope this WWDC Apple gives us some kind of solution with IPadOS 18.

If it is hard to make a final cut pro version for ipad pro, apple should enhance iMovie to be more advance

@TokyoNeko8

25 күн бұрын

It’s clearly possible - just look at Divinci Resolve.

Watching this gave me an idea, idk much about how these things or developed but, I have this accessibility button on the screen I use mainly to screen shot but it does other stuff,what if the curser when left clicked would bring up something from the curser like the accessibility button that gives you that kind of menu. I don’t see why a curser couldn’t use an accessibility function. Also under accessibility is the ability to use a gaming controller to do stuff I want to try is,haven’t yet but I assume it uses a curser. Also what if the mouse acts like a stylus too? Like a mouse Apple pencil combo?

The most problem I have with this is paying $1800 vs and still having to subscribe to logic pro and final cut ... like why can't it be a one time purchase and if we wanted to upgrade then thats the time we should pay for

Thank thank you for finally making a fair and level video explaining the very real problem Apple has with the identity of this device’s primary input method versus its OS.

I'd pay a premium for Mac OS on a ipad. (For DJing & music production)

I just want more Professional full app / programs, I want stage manager to let me enable a magnet type of windows like i can on MacOS (with an extra app) or native on Windows, i want Files app update for more functionality, i really really want Steam on iPad and an IDE. I don’t get why Apple cant bring their own IDE Xcode over. Real iPad users don’t want MacOS, but we want a more open ipadOS. Give us Side Loading too.

@RivandaBakhtiar

24 күн бұрын

I really wanted full desktop and full office app, currently ipad running mobile web that feel cluncky and dont have extensions that I really need to work with, also office mobile on ipad is pain to use, and about the file manager and cable printer, when I only hold an ipad and cant find any airprint printer Im stuck and cant print some important files, this is really held me down to use my ipad pro as work device

@Everyday-man

24 күн бұрын

@RivandaBakhtiar I agree, I want more full applications, too. I use my ipad Pro more than even my MacBook Pro, in all honesty. But it definitely needs more help. In all fairness, Apple had been adding more and more to the ipadOS. But we do still need more and more full apps. But MacOS is a bandaid approach. It's what all the copy cat parrot KZreadrs are repeating after each other. People talk about Samsung DEX like it's a full operating system.. it's not MacOS. It's not Windows.. it's simply Android with a nice interface! Not a duel boot! Android allows Side Loading, that's what helps them out a lot, too. Instead of a massive over haul of MacOS to allow touch controls, change the traffic lights ect, instead, we need that on ipadOS. Give us Sode Loading, give us a Separate UI when we click on ipadOS Stage Manager. So it feels more like a Laptop, when in this "Mode" have some type of background translation software, allow us to use MacOS programs. Ether way, IpadOS is growing but we need the software to grow faster for the Pro specifically. But a Duel boot or MacOS on the ipad is a terrible idea. The reason the ipad can operate so well on such a tiny device, which a battery millimetres thin, is due to heavily optimised programs for the ipad. I want the ipad to get more full products too. But this complete hogwash about MacOS is just grasping at straws. It's not going to happen

I mean I bought a Surface Pro back in 2013 and later a Wacom Mobile Studio Pro. The performance of a device liek that wasn't really there yet but: - Having a pen and/or a track pad eliminates most touch-related fuckery with button sizes. - I'll gladly admit that Windows on a rather small screen is clunky, but that easily beats not being able to use real apps. Always. - It does work just fine. All reasons for not running real apps on the iPad at this point are just lame excuses. I'd happily take them loading up looking just as they do on a desktop PC. I desperately want a powerful but light drawing capable PC, and if this thing wasn't nerfed in software, I would have bought one immedeately.

How about virtual MacOS machine on the iPad Pro. Make it a subscription, and it allows people to chose.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

This is the correct answer for the immediate time-frame. In the future Apple will release a new OS merging iPadOS/MacOS. Until then all Apple has to do is provide Virtualization service for Pro iPads and charge for it. Done and done.

@mden2490

24 күн бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 Many will back Apple without even thinking about the real reason why Apple has not brought MacOS to the iPad Pro...its called money, plain and simple. Apple knows that is would most likely bring sales of the MacBook Pro lineup to its demise.

I have no doubt that Apple’s iPadOS update will utilise the power of this device. What’s amusing to me is how people are saying things like, “it’s still the same experience” but never hear this with mac updates!! Great video though dude, new fan here!

Great video. I don’t think the “impossible problem” is Apple’s problem, it’s the professional users who do not need a tablet’s problem. They need to ask the question what do the professionals that need a tablet want from the iPad, like Apple does. I’m sure they want software improvements, but can MacOS fix their software problems? For the professional that needs LiDAR, the Pencil or even a better scanner while in the field, focus their energy on asking for features other than MacOS? I think so.

Make unrestricted os, and put ipad os stuff as a compatible layer. Like how wsl2 in windows work. No, dual boot required.

"Pro" in Apple lingo just means its the "deluxe" one, it obviously doesn't mean it's for professionals or some such. You can do the same "professional" tasks on a $300 iPad that you can do on a $2500+ loaded iPad Pro, the only difference is the Pro is the nicest one.

While I think it's fine for the iPad to be the way it is (you very much can just buy a Surface or Tab instead if you want a tablet-laptop hybrid - loving my Tab S8 Ultra I got last week for $470), I do think the M series iPads are underwhelming for their price. Let's 5 you're a hobbyist or graphic designer/artist. Take a look at the M2 iPad Air 13" and Apple Pencil Pro. $930 for that hardware doesn't seem a bad buy, right? Except the Tab S9+ with S Pen for $900 would give you an OLED screen, 120hz, 256gb storage, 12gb ram, quad speakers, the works - it's essentially an iPad Pro other than the OS and chip. And the M2 chip is way overkill for almost anything the iPad can do, so the premium you pay for the M chip gets you...basically nothing. Or if the iPad Air is fine? Well then the S9 FE+ should have you covered too, for $450. Basically the same specs as the Air other than the chip is weaker. During the time I had an iPad Air and an iPhone, I loved my iPad. Did everything I needed it to with flying colors. My only regret was that I paid too much - a base model iPad and an aftermarket keyboard and stylus for under $400 would have been plenty, and I paid $900.

Why put a Mouse and Pointer interface on a touchscreen tablet?

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

Why put AI-Voice on a Touchscreen or a Mouse and Pointer capable computer? Rhetorical question: Multi-Modality and Accessibility: Computers solve problems for humans. One of which is not having to have too many devices to manage ideally which is good for people and good for the environment.

As you say, improvements have to come from Apple and the app developers at the same time. Apple has finally to deliver a files app which is up to its job and enable a plugin concept for apps. App producers have to deliver apps which make sense and use the plugin functionality. Photoshop without plugins is useless for me, Capture One without session falls into the same category. C1 is certainly not Apples fault, Phase One decided to design the app for the studio as a tethering device. That’s not very helpful for landscape photography. On the other side there are very good apps on the iPad as it is: LumaFusion, Lightroom, DaVinci … If there is an app Apple is responsible for it is Mail, what a disaster. And there is no excuse for this.

Simplest solution is having Stage Manager behave like some Mac mode i.e. give the iPad users an option like when you attach the iPad to a keyboard even be it a Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad / mouse, or attach to an external monitor it should automatically switch to some mac mode and then have the work around solutions go easy on the user… let them have the full blown solution that is available right now to only mac users… that would even justify the price tag on these products… 999 just for the iPad Pro and everything else just goes to increase the price tag even further…

I really do not think that this is a impossible problem to solve, it`s very simple, actually. Just port the full UIX from MacOs apps and give the choice to the user decide what`s better to him use it (at the install or afterwards). We already have both options of interfaces done and mature, why Apple and partners make simple things look so complicated to do ?

I would like to have both systems on it and the user could just switch between them. So if you boot up MacOs, it will only work with mouse and keyboard.

Finally a dex mode for ios

If Apple were to add macOS to the iPad, it would probably be a $100 fee, and only work with the official keyboard, which already costs 250.

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

You clear speak fluent "Apple". ;-)

@RobloxianX

24 күн бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 And that's why I use Windows 8.1, hehe

Just add visual studio code or something similar to SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

Im part of the 99% and i need iPadOS to change. Desperately. I need a real file manager. I need true multitasking. I need desktop style browsers and not just skins of Safari mobile. As it stands I can’t access important web pages as they don’t support mobile browsers. An iPad Pro can’t replace a laptop for even the most casual person imaginable atm. Never mind a pro user.

DaVinci resolve laughs in the corner (full studio version available on iPad with a literal setting change) 😅

I don't see why they don't just let us port apps and programs that aren't rebuilt for touch, and just only let them be used with the keyboard and and trackpad. Seems like an easy solution

It would be nice if they just let you pick the OS you want. I would be willing to buy one if I could switch between environments. As it stands just not worth the cost.

Well framed conversation! My Mac Studio doesn’t have to be portable and my iPad doesn’t have to be everything. If Samsung’s tablets and the Microsoft Surface were to cut into the iPad market share maybe Apple would take notice. Who knows what is next though. 👍🏾

iPad OS should be like a mobile version of the regular Mac OS that has the ability to turn to full-fledged Mac OS when enabled. It would make the iPad amazing.

iPad Pro has been a big disappointment for me. Great hardware with continuing dumbed down apps means I won’t upgrade my 2018 iPad Pro. The new MS surface pro looks appealing though.

MacOS-like functionality is coming to iPad this WWDC

Te new iPad Pro is costly enough for a "macPad", which covers macbook air and old iPad pro price tag

I think the dual boot or even better a hotkey to switch between the two operating systems seems reasonable if it can be done. I am a business user who deals with microsoft office apps a good deal of the time and the dual operating system would allow me to use the iPad exclusively. I personally would be fine with the 13” size. When I am at my desk my MacBook Pro is connected to a dock and I use a keyboard and trackpad with a large monitor. I don’t know the financial impact from potential cannibalization of people going to one device but my guess Apple is clearly looking at that. Good video by the way.

not going to lie, i wont upgrade to the M4 Pro 13 inch until WWDC gives me a reason to. my ipad pro 12.9 M2 i use like others use their iPhones (minus photos). it is easily my most used tech device by a mile.

It needs to mimic MacOS when the keyboard is connected or a button is pressed like on Samsung DEX. They could keep it for the Pro iPads only as like you say most general users won't need a desktop interface. I think if these new X Elite Surfaces are as good as Qualcomm & Microsoft claim, Apple will need to address this in the near future. I'd rather have access to a desktop on a "Pro" device.

Probably one for the most insightful videos on the dilemma facing Apple with their advanced iPad Pro models. However, we also have to acknowledge that some developers don’t feel the need to bring their pro apps to iPadOS for the reasons sited here (multiple interfaces, etc) as well as their core customer base using Macs for their professional needs. However, even the most pro of users would most likely welcome more MacBook-like apps for the iPad Pros. Since Apple will most likely never port MacOS on the iPad Pro, again due to the limited availability of a touch interface vs a mouse/cursor interface, the solution may be to develop a special “kit” that can allow developers to port, say, a “98% version” of their Mac apps into iPadOS. You can even call it a “MacPad kit”, as indicated in this video. It could allow developers to modify their Mac apps within 95% to 98% of those apps regardless of how we interface with them. In fact, I would suggest that Apple can allow developers to use either a Smart Keyboard OR an Apple Pencil to interact with their “MacPad kit-based” apps instead of being touch-based, which has been proven to be limited in some circumstances. This way, Apple can retain the essence of iPadOS while allowing developers to port more robust and “professional” versions of their apps. It’s important that iPadOS remain intact because an overwhelming majority of iPad users do not need “professional levels’ of anything. It’s that very small fraction of users that could benefit from a set-up (a special kit) of allowing more complete and robust version of Mac-like app for their needs. So, like Joshua indicated, Apple will most likely create a more feature-rich version of iPadOS, which will appeal to the masses. But maybe there will be a surprise in there somewhere.

Looking and feeling like MacOS is not the same thing as being able to run some obscure speciality software that will never in a million years be available on the iOS app store because you need it to complete your job... until I can go to a website and download any piece of software I wan't and install it, then the iPad is not a "Pro" device...

@commentarytalk1446

24 күн бұрын

I appreciate what you're saying about owning a device and using it as you wish. That said from the overall ecosystem point of view: I would encourage for security, a Repository approach along with package manager for software or as Apple does turns those into App Stores or walled-gardens. There's definite merit in the Security angle apart from attempting to make this security commercially self-sustaining for devs and for the platform itself be it Apple, MS, Google etc. If someone wants total control, then maybe a Linux machine is better choice but again even there it's recommended to run download via repos for a reason. These days I can't be bothered with all the management of Linux and just want a device that works but I really dislike it when Apple for example deliberately "borks" the software eg virtualization as opposed to provisioning an official source for use which is ticks security and commerce and serves the customer: They're serving themselves which is the real problem here!