“It is my firm belief that the infinite and uncontrollable fury of nuclear weapons should never be held in the hands of any mere mortal ever again, for any reason.” » Mikhail Gorbachev

@hrthrhs

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and it's not. That's why despite all the close calls the guy in this vid presented, we never had a catastrophe, because of the chain of command deciding the decision to launch. So a nuke launch is NOT in the hands of "any mere mortal" it's in the hands of several in a strict chain of command.

@nietzcki3403

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrthrhs few imperfect men

@grafgever

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrthrhs Actually the US president can, when a warning system goes off decide to lunch nukes without congress or anybody.

@hrthrhs

3 жыл бұрын

@@grafgever What is this warning system you speak of?

@chrisgould101

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrthrhs infa red , satellite imagery, early warning detection systems, interceptors, any nuclear attack, large scale escalatory action.

As Carl Sagan once said about the first nuclear detonation: “Everything has changed except our thinking.”

@greg4852

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it was actually Einstein who said that (if Sagan said it, too, then he was likely quoting Einstein). From what I have read, this is what Einstein said in May of 1946: "The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and thus we drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.”

@radrook7584

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. If they didn't have guns, or other modern weapons, then they would be hacking one another to death with swords.

@thewaryears

Жыл бұрын

I have a pale gray dot.

@RichardKoenigsberg

Жыл бұрын

@@greg4852 But Einstein produced the information that allowed a nuclear bomb to be created. He is the FOUNDER of the nuclear bomb.

@jamisojo

Жыл бұрын

They are both wrong. It quickly changed our thinking. We all understand mutually assured destruction now. And nobody has launched nukes at each other since. Nor do large wars occur regularly which kill tens of millions of people.

The immediate laughter after he said “when I complained” was priceless & very appropriate in relation to how easily bureaucratic decisions that could hurt others, knowing they’ll never be in their shoes.

Based on the comments I see here and some good arguments, the only conclusion I can draw is: We are all dead. It's just a matter of time.

@tervikairspace6673

4 жыл бұрын

Its inevitable

@ggaggagga4

3 жыл бұрын

Not all, but the Bible clearly states that 2/3 will die from war, starvation and disease. It will happen in less than a 7 year period. The sign that it's about to begin will be the signing of a 7-Year peace agreement between Israel and the "many". WWII saw the deaths of about 100 million. This war will see about 6 THOUSAND MILLION dead.

@johnray7636

2 жыл бұрын

@@UNKNOWNPERSON-kk9kd As a retired sub sailor MT1(ss) ; who made 19 strategic patrols on 5 ssbns; during the cold war. I can tell all that the concept of MAD works.

@giacomoc4119

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnray7636 Wow, this is a really strong argument, well done!

@georgemcclelland8293

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggaggagga4 That text book makes no sense. Religion huge part of the problems of this world! -Jesus just sayin

Dear RobertMost of my peacebuilding work - with postgraduate students from across Africa - is at the small project level. Your talk has inspired me to think much more at the macro level. I too will be watching it with my students and discussing its implications

@MurrellHilda

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Geoff. We have just had 21 Australian students from Monash here to discuss this talk and question Australian defence policies.

Russo-Ukrainian War and Putin brought me here.

@somethingwitty44

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@ShayJ777

Жыл бұрын

Me 3... Glory to Ukraine

Real heros safe life, and don't take ehm. I think Commander Robert Green ended up being a real hero. Thank you Commander Robert Green.

@casualBob7

Жыл бұрын

what if you save many lives by taking the lives of few others? nothing in life is one dimensional as you portrayed in your statement

Thank you for this brilliant talk, sir! I was only six years old during the Cuba middle crisis, and that memory has been burned into my brain. I remember it as if it happened yesterday. It still provokes such extreme anxiety, and fear whenever I think of it. Such a shame this talk hasn't been seen by millions of souls.

Disarming countries that have these weapons of mass destruction sounds good on paper, but how can that be done, effectively, and who will police it?

Every weapon that was supposed to make war "too horrible to be ever fought again" was used in the next war to devastating effect from the crossbow to the cannon to the musket to the machine gun to the conventional aircraft bomb. I dont have very much optimism that nobody will ever try to use nuclear weapons. We havent even been living with nukes for a century yet theres still plenty of time for things to go wrong.

@tinafeyalien

2 жыл бұрын

There have already been several near misses too.

@DarthSironos

2 жыл бұрын

You statement is simply wrong regarding nukes. There have been MANY wars since WW2 involving countries with nuclear weapons yet none of them have used them. They were not used in the next war or the war after.

@EC-yd9yv

2 жыл бұрын

Ya, look where we are now🙏

@SchgurmTewehr

Жыл бұрын

They HAVE already been used, so your sentence is dangerous and grammatic nonsense. It is also dangerous and actually denial of history and facts.

@user-xg8yy7yl1d

Жыл бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehr Of course I know about Hiroshima and Nagasaki ffs. I meant other than those. Modern nuclear weapons are orders of magnitude mote destructive than the only two nuclear weapons to be used in war.

It was very impressive to listen to your talk and I would like to share it with my students studying Peace Studies (about 150). A photo of the International Court of Justice in 1996 including Robert and others is exhibited at the Kyoto Museum for World Peace at Ritsumeikan University in Japan. Visitors learned your great efforts for peace watching the exhibit. Please take good care of yourself.

We need more people with inside perspectives speaking what they've learned. This video should be shared!

This is nice and all, but what exactly are we supposed to do? The total removal of nuclear weapons is impossible. The knowledge of how to make them is out there, and should the major powers rid themselves completely of nuclear arsenals, a bad actor will eventually get their hands on nukes. Don't get me wrong, nuclear powers should work together to reduce their arsenals, but total denuclearization is not practically possible. “It may well be that we shall by a process of sublime irony have reached a stage in this story where safety will be the sturdy child of terror, and survival the twin brother of annihilation.” - Winston Churchill , 1955

@MrDanChandler

3 жыл бұрын

What we do is refine anti-missile technology to such a degree that it’s not even worth making nukes anymore

@ArkenTheAmerikan

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard this a lot. First of all, you cannot accurately intercept an ICBM, and it will not be possible for a long time. They fly far into the stratosphere before falling back to Earth, so pinpointing exactly where they will be at any given moment is practically impossible. Second, if it were possible, it would screw us even more. Removing nukes as a perceived threat kills the MAD doctrine, and what this means is that in the event of some kind of flare-up, world leaders would be much more prone to war. Ignoring the hundreds of millions of people that such a war would kill, it would only take a few nukes getting past anti-nuke defenses to cause incalculable damage.

@kedrednael

3 жыл бұрын

​@@MrDanChandler That will always be impossible. It is always easier to defeat anti-missile technology than to intercept nuclear bombs. Think about it. There are thousands of nuclear bombs, their targets are huge cities, factories that don't go anywhere. There is nothing easier to hit than that. On the other hand: the nuclear bombs are small, move many times faster than a bullet, are made to withstand incredible heating from the air when they reenter: they move at 8km/s=18000mph. There is nothing more difficult to hit and destroy than that. Even if only one bomb explodes missing its target by kilometers that's still the biggest disaster ever, since each bomb is many times more powerful than the bombs that were dropped on Japan. Missile interceptors need to be insanely maneuverable, accurate, and always ready, making them not much cheaper than nuclear bombs themselves. America made some missile interceptors. In perfect conditions these had ~50% chance of hitting an incoming missile. But the interceptors can be destroyed or blinded by detonating one of incoming nuclear bombs in space before an interceptor gets too close. The nuclear bombs could get a cooling system, so they are harder to detect. Hundreds of decoys can be released along side nuclear bombs. Communication and radar can be cut by large nuclear detonations in space. The nuclear attack could go paired with hacking that causes some disarray on the defenders side. Now I just talked about ICBMs which go in a simple ballistic arc through space to their target. But hypersonic missiles that go through air and are maneuverable are already being developed. These are harder to detect because they are low and in the air, they are even more impossible to intercept. Finally, even if you miraculously have perfect anti-missile technology, bombs could get smuggled in cars, shipping containers or submarines/ torpedo's.

@MrDanChandler

3 жыл бұрын

@@kedrednael Just destroy the incoming missiles with nukes -- no need for accuracy anymore.

@kedrednael

3 жыл бұрын

​@@MrDanChandler The accuracy needed isn't the only problem. If your idea works perfectly some radioactive debris would rain down on the defending country, because the attacking nukes are already on their trajectory. That's still not very nice. The fact that nuclear warheads are sturdy objects, capable of reentering the atmosphere at 8km/s is quite a bummer for the defender. You'd need strong nuclear bombs to destroy them, the bombs need to be closer than you think. And you'll be exploding those interceptor bombs nearly above your own country.. I think the first detonations would destroy communication and detection abilities. So a second wave could still come in very easily. Ideas for the attacker: - spread missiles out further, so the defender needs (at least, since there is a chance of failure) one nuke per attacking nuke. - Harden electronics. - Add reflective layer to the nuclear bomb, thicken the heat shield. Nuclear bombs do damage on earth by creating intense light & heat which create a shockwave and fireball. In space the shockwave and fireball won't occur. Only the intense light will occur (and radiation, that gets trapped by earths magnetic field, which fries electronics and jams radar). This is not effective against reflective things, with heat shields (and hardened electronics). You will take out all regular satellites and people's eyeballs who have a line of sight to the explosion though. Again I only talked about ballistic missiles, hypersonic or other delivery methods are also still not stopped.

I believe what Antares said is one of the most concised and exact description of the situation.

Commander Robert Green, thank you so very deeply. Very well done. You not only "witnessed" 122 nations work hard this past summer to adopt finally a wonderful legal document to make the threat of these weapons illegal, but it was a honor to have you daily an active contributor and presence throughout the conference. Your NZ Ambassador was one of the great and consistent stars of the deliberations. NZ, your efforts to blockade our nuclear submarines in the 1970's was a huge inspiration to all of us concerned around the world. Thank you NZ. Thank you Comdr. Green for your dedication, your service, and your constant courage in standing up. Thank you for your profound, greatly brave, riveting, informative book "A Thorn in Their Side". This recent Nobel Peace Prize goes to your dear aunt Hilda, yourself, and your heroic wife Kate, and many of you in NZ who've been pushing back on this omnicidal industry. Onward, together. Thank you TEDx Talks for this.

Looks like we already went down this road. Soviet submarine B-59 (Russian: Б-59) was a Project 641 or Foxtrot-class diesel-electric submarine of the Soviet Navy. It played a key role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, when senior officers - believing they were under attack - considered launching a T-5 nuclear torpedo.

@jamisojo

Жыл бұрын

Close doesn't count. They either did or they did not.

Big Applause👏actually we should be greateful for these people for making world a safe place. This is no simple task

Your work is keeping us Alive! Thank you

Wow that really makes one think about the horrors of politics and warfare, let alone nuclear warfare!

@halweilbrenner9926

2 жыл бұрын

The nuclear weapons "arsenal" is an example of the real insanity of the human being.

Woah...he sounds like Zero from MGS3....

The last commander of the Strategic Air Command Lee Butler was for rationalizing the targeting criteria he was NEVER for abolishing nuclear weapons. He didn't believe you had to flatten ever city in Russia to have a credible deterrent less targets means less weapons. The UKs nuclear weapons were never designed to deter Argentina they were to deter the Soviet Union. Nuclear weapons don't deter conventional war. Giving McNamara credit for anything after being the father of Mutual Assured Destruction seems like arguing against yourself. Oh and ballistic missile submarines are the only leg of the nuclear triad that cannot be killed in a surprise first attack. So they have deterrence value therefore military value. And as others have stated on here like every other abolitionist he gives no alternatives. The US or the UK or France abolishing nuclear weapons will not stop other countries from developing them.

@rd264

Жыл бұрын

false- he repeatedly says that he is not against conventional defense forces eg his discussion about PM Thatcher's decision to acquire Trident at the cost of conventional ships. Try to keep up.

@thomass4471

Жыл бұрын

@@rd264 Keep up? I made that comment 3 years ago LOL Just in case I reread it to be sure and no where did I mention the word conventional.

I'm waiting for a proposal.... I've seen a number of these anti-nuclear weapons TED talks explain how terrible they are, but no one has proposed how we realistically give up nuclear weapons. As long as any other nation has a nuclear device, the US and Russia will maintain nuclear weapons. Deterrence is real.

@bugherder

4 жыл бұрын

Good point, Braden. The only real solution that can work is for us grass roots humans to learn about the hidden, sacred Natural Laws which immutably govern the consequences of our individual and aggregate human behavior. Mark Passio makes a compelling Natural Law proposal, but getting people en masse to listen to and evaluate his work won't occur until at least one nuke has detonated somewhere. Most humans are spiritually confused and mentally conditioned from childhood to be divide-and-conquer oriented according to a country of origin as well as a regional set of religious beliefs, and they willfully accept faulty principles of illogical behavior based on self interest in order to survive even though they unconsciously know what they are doing is universally immoral and wrong and puts our entire planet at risk for starvation, cannibalism, and even total annihilation. If for no other reason, once one truly understands that Natural Law is sacred, that person will change their destructive behavior because they will fully understand that it is not a matter of if, but only when a nuclear event will occur if they don't respect and obey its two sacred principles. Knowledge instead of belief is required. Thanks for your comment.

@patrickslevin6424

2 жыл бұрын

We don't give them up.......in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

@Cacowninja

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, here's one: Instead of investing trillions in the worst organization to man known as government how about people invest those dollars in the free market instead? The free market prevents and reduces convict. It allows people to meet their needs and wants without violence. The nukes are just fighting instability with instability. If someone wants to detonate those nuclear paperweights despite the "deterrence" factor it's gonna happen anyway! So much for wasting people's money to build bombs to protect people from other people do the exact thing! People should be investing in businessmen and workers of the world. To creates jobs, goods and services, businesses, infrastructure and other good stuff to truly help the world. Not some drooling callous morons in suits that couldn't care less about a real solution to ANYTHING, and just use taxpayers to further their greed and power. The government doesn't do peace the free market does so can we please invest in the latter for a change?

@gorgzilla1712

2 жыл бұрын

What is rational about giving the power of world annihilation to 9 countries?

@RealisiticEdgeMod

2 жыл бұрын

A nuclear weapon in the hands of the americans is a credible deterrent because they have demonstrated their willingness to use it. Will russia actually ever use their nukes? Who knows?

Excellent ! Most enjoyable ! More please !

Great explanation of nuclear deterrence, not many experienced so much nonsense from it as mr. Green. I'm thankful for his work.

"Peace in our time ..."

I'm on a trident and I sleep next to the missle tube I love them they keep me warm

@chrisgould101

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh

You can’t force the genie back into the bottle.

Ridiculous. Dont disarm yourself before disarming the potential threats. We only can move forward on this all together.

Deterrence has been far more effective at preventing nuclear war than non-proliferation. At the time the U.S. nuked Japan in WW2, the first nuclear war (NW1), there were less than 5 nuclear weapons in existence. Would the U.S. have nuked Japan if Japan had a similar capability to nuke the U.S.? Yet, during the Cold War, when the hostile nations had 10s of thousands of nukes, no war occurred, except for proxy conflicts. Even, the India-Pakistan border disputes and China-India border disputes and China-Soviet border disputes never escalated into all out war when they could have if the prospect of nuclear war wasn't so horrible. Eventually, after the Cold War ended,the U.S. and Russia negotiated large reductions in their nuclear arsenals. Nations and people will lay down their arms when there is no longer a necessity to have them.

@rarabang3584

4 жыл бұрын

But think about it. If no one had nuclear weapons, no one would have been nuked in the first place. Also, how do you think WW2 would have ended, if Japan did in fact have nuclear weapons??

@anubhavghosh4556

4 жыл бұрын

@@rarabang3584 you are forgetting that warfare existed for centuries without nukes

@rarabang3584

4 жыл бұрын

Anubhav Ghosh I’m not talking about war in general, I’m talking about a nuclear war. Without atomic bombs such a war could never happen. Without guns, people can’t shoot each other. Yes, they can still stab each other, but we all know what has the larger destructive power.

@anubhavghosh4556

3 жыл бұрын

@Kyle Farren I do man, believe me I do, but I also know that if both sides didnt have nukes , we wouldn't be calling it a cold war.

@BruceD1776

3 жыл бұрын

@Kyle Farren Close doesn't count. Fact is, in all those cases, people were VERY reluctant to launch.

This was a hugely interesting talk, and never more relevant in the present circumstances with the war in the Ukraine. I would be interested to know how he thinks we should proceed. I've seen comments saying we need deterrence. My feeling is that if you've got a madman, and we seem to have a few, in power, they may use nuclear weapons tactically, as he explained nearly happened during the Falklands conflict, and has been suggested by some American generals. I doubt if the threat of reprisals would be a deterrent, and what good would they do?

@ronjon7942

Жыл бұрын

Talking about it and repositioning nuclear assets is a LONG way from ‘nearly happening.’ It would have been irresponsible if Britain had not repositioned the sub towards Argentina - geez, they were in a war!

@maiqueashworth

Жыл бұрын

@@ronjon7942 And if the UK had started losing the war, which was definitely a possibility? Do you think Margaret Thatcher wouldn't consider using nuclear weapons when her political career was on the line? Most politicians are just power hungry.

it maybe illegal to launch a nuclear attack but which court is going to prosecute a country's leader after an attack? There wouldn't be a court left after an nuclear exchange we would all be dead

@wtfhowbizarre1946

4 жыл бұрын

you have a point. please watch ’Unaknowedged’ on KZread. it's a documentary by Dr. Steven Greer.

I'm very grateful I learned a lot today

it worked because theres been no nuclear attacks since japan and no nuclear nations are attacking each other theyre just fighting little proxy wars

@Nightman2152

4 жыл бұрын

Would you call the Vietnam conflict a little proxy war? This is an uninformed comment. There is no way you could believe what you said if you watched the whole video.

@Duke_of_Lorraine

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nightman2152 as compared to a full-scale war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, yes.

@MrBryan-hr1rp

4 жыл бұрын

So we traded large scale invasions for smaller scale but equally damaging conflicts? Sounds about right. Eventually things will reach a boiling point, soon or later

@NateAnderson69

4 жыл бұрын

This is classic American pipewaxing. Just because x has yet to happen, the probability of x happening isn't nullified. Because of the overhaul of neoliberal globalism, the world had more economic and purely political ties. If nuclear proliferation is allowed, more nukes will spread. In this day and age, if someone were to hit the big red button, immediate retaliation would be instant. Because in the anarchic landscape of country-based politics and interactions, another country could and would retaliate alongside one of the launchers, at which point multiple players could be introduced. I don't even need to go into how prolifically dangerous that is.

@haliax8149

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nightman2152 Oh, right. Better demonstrate where nuclear weapons have been used since 1945.

.... A weapon to surpass metal gear ?

So, if nuclear deterrence does not work, what does? Unilateral nuclear disarmament certainly does not work, as U just told.

very well said

Absolutely shocking information

Guy1: 'The smoke from our nukes, will blot out the sun!' Enemy of guy1: 'Then we will die in the shade' Everyone else: ...

@ahsanashfaq4430

2 жыл бұрын

me sitting in Kashmir: *nervous sweating

GOD BLESS YOU! YOU ARE RIGHT ALONG SIDE ONE OF MY HEROS IN THIS WORLD ROBERT Mc NAMARA, I RECOMMEND EVERYONE WATCHES HIS DOCUMENTARY "THE FOG OF WAR" AT LEAST ONCE IN THEIR LIFE!

Superb speaker.

Only 15k views so far. I think this man has a message that we all should hear. Thanks for doing this talk and for the efforts for nuclear disarmament.

His ultimate message is very beautiful, yet while it may fall on deaf ears, it may not even mean anything. Nuclear disarmament is a lovely idea that I wholeheartedly support but I feel will ultimately fail for one simple reason, the key players will ultimately boil down to enough warheads to threathen eachother and then sit and say "you first". How many nukes does it take to utterly destroy modern soceity? Not enough to annihilate it, just enough to completely demolish modern economy such that a majority of people are faced with starvations or worse? 100? I'd say 10 stratigically placed ones is way more than enough, considering retalitation. How many nukes do the big players sit on? 1k? 10K? Who knows, way more than needed to destroy modern civilisation. I'm rambling, my point is nuclear deterrence is irrelevant when the stockpile is enough to devastate the globe 100 times over.

Outstanding!

This is now extremely serious.

The USA and Russia agreed to get rid of all their chemical weapons and Russia got rid of theirs, but in a Congressional Hearing it was discovered the USA still has their stockpile, even Lindsey Ghram was upset to discover it was not done.

@mosesmarlboro5401

5 жыл бұрын

At least we know where ours are. Russia made enough smallpox to kill everyone on earth 2000 times over, and then lost several truck loads worth of the stuff.

@squamish4244

5 жыл бұрын

If even Lindsey Graham gets upset on a weapons issue, it must be very serious indeed.

@leeking007

5 жыл бұрын

why does this not surprise me? These mothers couldn't lie straight in bed...

@webkeeper

5 жыл бұрын

@@mosesmarlboro5401 you've missed the "Russia got rid of theirs". I imagine that the answer will be "they always lie" cliche.

@conscienceaginBlackadder

5 жыл бұрын

In the 50s Britain unilaterally disarmed of chemical weapons. Within the Cold War period it did not lead to any reciprocation from the Eastern bloc.

Greatness does not come from fear.

No. One country disarming will be a serious vulnerability. Either both countries have them or both countries do not have them, that's the only choices...

Don't retreat from it; overcome, conquer, tame it!

Yeah. Let's lay down OURS and wait for them to lay down THEIRS. What could possibly go wrong?!

Remember the truthful quote...those who would beat their swords into plow shares will plow for those who have not.....

@r.bevantrembly3687

3 жыл бұрын

“Nukes have changed everything but out thinking!” Carl Sagan

I love the way he talks

Standing congratulations

“I remember when the whole world held its breath...” feels like this right now with putin threatening to use nuclear weapons.

Thanks 👍

Thank you Commander Robert Green, real world logic !!!

One could argue, in a sense, that a nuclear war has already happened. It is just that the two weapons concerned were used in the last days of the conflict.

Very good talk. Just a comment with regard to the mention of the Falklands war. The chance of a nuclear strike against Argentina; either the country or it's troops by the UK during the Falklands war in 1982 was virtually zero, regardless of the outcome of the war. Firstly the UK would have been utterly condemned by every other country in the world. It would have become a pariah. Not only that but it would have affected trade, international standing, its place in NATO and the UN. The international aftermath for the UK would have been unthinkable. Secondly, no one in the UK would have supported such an attack at any level from the government of the time to the regular person on the street. There would have been a massive political backlash, and I would strongly suspect there would have been a coup within her own party to remove her and prevent her using nuclear weapons, and violence on the streets. Thatcher would almost certainly been arrested for a war crime and probably imprisoned had she actually carried out a nuclear attack. Chili and several other South American countries backed the UK during the war, and an attack would have also have affected them, the UK's allies. Finally, Thatcher knew the backlash would be overwhelming, and she would not want to go down in history as a mass murderer. The damage to the UK would have been irreparable and she (for all of her faults) did genuinely care about the UK. I also imagine that on a human level she would not want to have so much blood on her hands. Falklands war aside, sadly I see no light at the end of the tunnel for nuclear proliferation, although I would love a nuclear free world. The world is becoming increasingly unstable year after year. With global warming, overpopulation and diminishing resources the future is bleak. NATO, Russia and China can all deactivate their nuclear stockpiles, but the other countries currently developing them will not, and who knows how they will use their new found power?

Thank you for the making of this video! You are right, nuclear deterrence has always been insanity! All we have done since the formation of the United Nations to replace the League of Nations is.... continually ramp up militarily, conventionally and WMD! World peace was a marketing tool but has never truly been our "new world order as of 1950!" As a world searching for and wanting world peace would logically ramp down not up! Namaste Peace Love Harmony

eyes opening!!!

His voice is a delight to the senses.

Libya and Iraq surrendered their WMD programs and were subsequently invaded by or with the support of those same nations who had demanded and then overseen the dismantling of their WMD programs, and their leaders executed (with Gaddafi being horrifically tortured before his brutal murder). Possessing and threatening the use of WMDs may not always serve as an effective deterrent against military aggression, but surrendering them certainly seems to serve as an invitation to it.

@tommydudley4103

5 жыл бұрын

But! Libya and Iraq have huge oil reserves, and it fits in with Israel's geo-expansionist ambitions... Watch out Venezuela!

@ruhtraeregel

5 жыл бұрын

Barded Wyrm false. Iraq did not surrender its wmd's in fact contrary to liberal propaganda thousands of chemical weapons were in fact discovered in Iraq in the 2000s. Get educated.

@TTTTCJGKS

5 жыл бұрын

@EPLURiBusUNUM Recently on the issue of Venezeula, John Bolton admits on live television that the invasion of Venezuela would be for the oil. Consequently admitting that every regime change war we have fought is for the same purpose. So yeah, those oil reserves.

@user-dc4bl1cu2k

5 жыл бұрын

Iraq and Libya had WMDs??? Where???

@themonrovian8441

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The price of true sovereignty in the modern world is nuclear weapons.

A dangerous conversation that is a nightmare today.

It may be insane but it worked didn't it - standoff (and no confrontation) for 60+ yrs.

Thank you for this valuable testimony from a man who should know! The frankness and honesty of it, let alone the revelations, brought tears to my eyes. Cmdr Green puts it so concisely, authoritatively and graphically it should impress everyone except, perhaps, the nuclear arms industry (and Israel)! Will circulate to friends and associated groups. My paper ‘the Samson Option’ may now need revising.

@mannatuu

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly for Commander Green he is caught within his own paradox . As a servant of the British Ruling class he is by definition a defender of capitalism and nationalism. Yet it is the very contradictions within the global capitalist system that now drive Nation against Nation. 'Competition for profit' has a law governed motion that dictates over time that credit turns to debt and insoluble debt turns to war. It is only by resolving this contradiction that you change the trajectory of human society. The system of 'competition for profit' can only produce what is organically logical and necessary to it . It cannot resolve what it itself creates. This was the fundamental scientific abstraction found by Marx and the scientific basis of Lenin and Leon Trotsky that in the Russian revolution saw Russia exit the great first slaughter of World War I. As Trotsky correctly deduced later on , if the Socialist revolution did not become a world revolution then competing Imperialist powers would inexorably be driven to a new and greater slaughter as the laws of world capitalist economy would once again play out. We all know what played out in history. The insoluble crisis that revealed itself in the Great crash of 1928 , became the tsunami that was World War 2 10 years later . What then for the crash of 2008 and the rise of Trump and America first ? Without revolution ( which is merely a term to donate fundamental structural change) history has already provided you with the answer. A nuclear answer that we will not come back from..... and bye the way, we are now ''10 years on''. Show less REPLY

@alreadyblack3341

5 жыл бұрын

Shut up commie. Not even "in practice" likes your theories.

@jamisojo

Жыл бұрын

@@mannatuu The real slaughter was how the Russians and Chinese killed their own people by the tens of millions. Your logic doesn't work in the real world. Or, you do a very poor job of explaining it.

@mannatuu

Жыл бұрын

@@jamisojo nobody need dismiss the crimes of Stalinism and Maoism. They were not Marxists in the first place. You however clearly whitewash the crimes of Imperialism that killed countless millions in 2 world wars. You by your own words condemn yourself as an apologist for the wars and crimes of capitalism. It is not the crisis of socialism and communism that we face , for they have never existed. It is the crisis of capitalism and idiots like you are setting a course to repeat it all over again.

Everything has been implausibly conveniently miraculous.

War doesnt decide who's right, but it does decide who's left.

Thank you sir

WW1 involved an arms race where everyone decided, "They won't attack, we've got a bigger gun" (yes that's dumbed-down). Accept some poor bigshot got shot, and that was enough to set an arms race, to "If no one else is in the race, we can't loose."

@milkmessiah5192

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. Every country in Europe before WW1 wanted a war with someone.

what if we can colonize other planets,the thing that holding us back is that we all share the same planet what if every nation had seperate planets in the distant future.

@tiger751

4 жыл бұрын

It's because we are on the same planet, that it hasn't gotten that bad. The sad truth is that with humanity, comes every other baggage. We have to be mad at someone, place the blame on someone, when things go bad, not just personally, but also economically. We saw it happen to the jews, all in all if we were separated by planets, we'd bomb each other without a second thought.

@Maleficarum999

3 жыл бұрын

By the time mankind masters space colonization there will be weapons so deadly that nuclear weapons will look like a child's play compared to it.

May lady luck always watch over us. Since assholes with scary weapons still rampage our beloved earth

I think the issue is that anyone would be crazy to use them and so everyone knows no one is going to use them

OH yes, great to put a face to a name. Some years ago I read the book Enemies of the State, which focuses on the murder of this gentleman's aunty

+Before the threat of Atomic Weapons we had two world wars within roughly 23 years. +After the advent of nuclear weapons it has been roughly 70 years and still no world war.

@inkey2

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed....."would not take a whole lot for a country to actually annihilate hundreds of thousands of people." But as they say "The Atomic Jeanie is out of the bottle'. It's never going back in. Countries can make all the nuclear arms reduction treaties they want but you can bet your bottom dollar that somebody is going to hold on to a few nuke missiles "just in case". That's how humans have evolved and survived...fear..vigilance..fight or flight. If it wasn't atomic missiles it would be some other world ending weapon.

@Dinitroflurbenzol

5 жыл бұрын

@@banky4943 "Before the invention of nukes , there were two world wars since the birth of the Earth" This statement is false. - look at the napoleonic wars, realise there were fights in many theaters worldwide --> jep it was a worldwar - look at the conquest of Alexander the great, realize there were fights on more than 3 continents --> jep it was a worldwar - ask a nearby histirician for more Bonus fact, leaving the realm of humans: ever noticed, how (unrelated) ant colonies reakt to each other? They put even Stalin to shame. (Linepithema humile colonies are currently in a continuing genocidial campaign against each other through europe)

@frederickmiles327

5 жыл бұрын

Probably the main reason a third world war did not openly happen was that the immense power of both the Russian and US Army and Marine forces in Europe meant even conventional war would have destroyed Europe and the fact is until 1990 both the US and USSR were prepared for 3 months conventional war in Europe as well as every other nuclear or mixed option.The threat of all out European conventional war was the real terror to the UK, Ger, Fr and mainly why the slow moving, low probability retractable options of the cruise missile and B52 were introduced and maintained for political reassurance. The US strategic sub's and minutemen silos had 3 different roles. 1 pure deference, but MAD was theory, PR and 'theology' (,Kissinger) not ever the policy or targeting 2 war fighting with 20/30k heads 2/x Nagasaki aimed only at military targets inRussia.and a few others and 3 doomsday strategic reserve for 2nd or 3rd strike 6 months after nuclear war

@matthewburns9911

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah ironically getting completely rid of nuclear weapons would make it a lot lot easier to have another world war.

@mrerfrischend6046

5 жыл бұрын

correlation =/= causation

You make it sound like a party....lets get started!

In nuclear war, there are ONLY loosers no WINNERS. The only winners are fear 😫

is anyone else here because of MGS? anyone seeing the resemblance to the story?

@Restcb

4 жыл бұрын

I am not a fan of metal gear, I think the gameplay is very counterintuitive but the story on peace walker made up for the suffering of having played that game. Very interesting that topic.

His arguments on why a nuclear free world is preferable to a nuclear world are sound, unforunately he fails to touch on how impossible that idea is and how much worse a "hidden nuke" game with the leading nations could be instead of everyone knowing shits over if we mess up.

Personally I do not want to live in the only country without nuclear weapons.

Here Here sir. 👏

The saddest thing will be the untreatable survivors, people don't realize that these victims will have to be annestatized and buried like nuclear waste.

@andrewwood6285

2 жыл бұрын

What? Is that what they did to Japanese survivors?

@lucasgrey9794

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewwood6285 Some of them probably.

If the sight of your country's nuclear powered submarine, bomber or missile makes you proud, you do not fully understand the problem.

@chrisgould101

3 жыл бұрын

Unless in communist dictator country. Hooray the missiles and don't forget to salute.

He is the first I've ever heard to explain the Cuban crisis in full. The US history never mentions that this started because the US had nuclear weapons in Turkey.

@qqqqqqqqqq7488

4 жыл бұрын

Do you read your history from comics books?

@eagleeagle7802

2 жыл бұрын

True 👍

@georgemcclelland8293

2 жыл бұрын

@@qqqqqqqqqq7488 He is completely correct! This was never brought out in the open about US bombs in Turkey! Please think before being arrogant!

quite convincing stuff

I think I just came up with a Nobel Peace prize solution to stop global warming!

@saynototerrorism9617

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Conservatives already came up with the soloution years ago using nuculear par and instead of taxxing fuel tax emissions. You demonrats stopped us. As you want destruction.

@rrpearsall

4 жыл бұрын

@@saynototerrorism9617 Really? someone in government already suggested dropping nuclear bombs to stop global warming? Who?

@dickiewongtk

4 жыл бұрын

Nuclear winter! yeah.

Deterrence is better than no deterrence.

@iamnotevenanumber3312

4 жыл бұрын

why? Its costly. Its dangerous. It makes starting a nuclear war seem rational. It makes you a target of even more nuclear weapons. The only time the threat level of a nuclear war went down, was when we decided not to have nuclear weapons. Fact.

@ONEIL311

4 жыл бұрын

@Iam Notevenanumber not really the only thing that really brought it down was the collapse of the Soviet Union. It’s going back up again because of the rise of China.

@chrisgould101

3 жыл бұрын

That is, the definition of insanity if I've ever heard it.

its one thing to speak of nuclear deterrence but it MUST BE preceded by OPEN INSPECTIONS

It's interesting if we scaled down the nuclear stalemate situation... we have one man pointing a rifle at the head of another man who is in turn pointing his rifle at the first man's head, both have enough distance to pull the trigger against the other if either rifle is fired first. That's a ludicrous argument for maintaining peace. Much better for both men to put down their weapons, have a conversation, shake hands and exchange trade.

@zzghost8593

2 жыл бұрын

Over simplifying a very complex deep rooted issue

@travis9841

Жыл бұрын

You are forgetting that neither can afford to trust the other so the moment one lowers the gun the other will pull the trigger and kill before they can ready again.

@ronjon7942

Жыл бұрын

You go to UC Berkley, no? I hope you’re young, bc of you’re that naive you could conceivably still age out of it.

@Mark-bl6oe

Жыл бұрын

@@ronjon7942 I agree that my point is oversimplified and idealistic, but in principle nuclear deterrence is a hostile stalemate which is a sad way to maintain peace. I'm not naive or young, but I'd rather be either of those things than rude or confrontational.

This Commander ignores the reality that M.A.D. increased the bargaining margin for Nuclear Powers so much that it allowed for almost anything short of nuclear war to prevail and seem reasonable to nations preferring self-preservation. This key fact enabled relative peace to exist between all the Nuclear powers and has succeed magnificently for the last 60 years.

@user-xg8yy7yl1d

3 жыл бұрын

60 years is nothing in historical terms.

@LTirishkeg

3 жыл бұрын

Historical terms?? A solid 3/4 century record confirms that MAD works logically and in its application. Global Adoption of MAD Policy is also evidence. The reason it works and will continue to work is simple comeback to the MAD Question (Will you survive a second strike and will that mean anything if the second strike hits? ) that question strategically prevents nuclear holocausts.

@user-xg8yy7yl1d

3 жыл бұрын

@@LTirishkeg See the problem is that the other side has to care about surviving. Soviet communism was many things but suicidal it was not. We already see examples of people who willingly turn themselves into bombs and who think that it is good to die if it means killing an enemy/defending the group and its ideology. If a group that believed seriously enough that it was worth it to anihilate their enemies even if they die in the process ever got ahold of nuclear weapons it would mean MAD goes out the window. It wouldnt even take an entire suicidal nation either just suicidal leadership that keeps it's people in the dark about how far it will go. We either need nuclear disarmament or the development of a technology that could reliably destroy nuclear weapons in flight. Anything else relies on hoping the limitlessness of human stupidity doesnt take over.

@gagarinone

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-xg8yy7yl1d Thanks for your great insights in human nature!

doomed failure, yet, has kept us from MAD. to quote rick, "everyone wants to get knocked out, nobody wants to be dead"

@5.10 -Hilda Murrell was a British rose grower, naturalist, diarist and campaigner against nuclear power and nuclear weapons. She was abducted and found murdered by MI5, five miles from her home in Shropshire.

Please send Putin to a refresher class on this issue!

@chankwaichoi1

2 жыл бұрын

should putin drop nuclear in estonia (a NATO member), would usa, or uk, or france retaliate? i think not, cos estonia is NOT worth the risk of ww3 with russia. what about putin dropping nuclear on all the non-nuclear armed states? what then?

Fine presentation sir... I'll believe you when Britain disarms first.

There was several different times the world almost ended. There was one guy. Who said no, and that's the reasoning why nuclear war didn't happen. THAT ONE GUY. Had he not been there or been on board, Russia would've shot a nuclear tipped missile at a US Ship. How about when Russia opened it's nuclear briefcase because it forgot about a weather rocket from Norway or near that direction that decided to launch a research missile. Like total negligence almost ended the world because Russia "Forgot" about a scheduled research rocket launch.

@squamish4244

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. The people who DON'T think the way things are now is insane are the insane ones.

@conscienceaginBlackadder

5 жыл бұрын

There is a consistency, clearly more than chance, to how there is always one guy. There is command chain constraint. Without one one guy it would have fallen on another one guy.

@scottn1405

4 жыл бұрын

Shadow, in regard to your first point, four nuclear armed Russian subs were in the waters off south FL during the missile crisis. Their torpedoes could have been destined for US ships, or Miami. US ships were dropping depth charges on these subs in international waters. It was one Russian sailor who argued to not launch unless the sub was hit or damaged. The Americans were in the dark about what they were facing. Intermediate range nukes would have wiped out the whole invasion fleet coming across the FL straits, and the ready to fire SS18's would have reached any US city within range (2/3 of them)

Enjoyed listening to this talk, its not rocket science to see there are no winners if they drop these bombs on each other. Sounds like you put your head on the chopping board to push back against nuclear arming and their use? Respect. From a Kiwi

Your a gentleman and a scholar, I find you to be.

Playback at 1.25 speed... seriously!

@Heisrisen237

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, it made a difference!

@1infiniteloop244

4 жыл бұрын

People like you complain about your own shadow

@peaceandjustice4414

4 жыл бұрын

@@1infiniteloop244 ????

@zoodiac57

4 жыл бұрын

cheers......................................................mate

@nkemdiuwaezu6934

4 жыл бұрын

1actually did at 1.5 lol

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Albert Einstein

I heard the submarine sometimes shows up in Sweden.

Well our enemies are keeping theirs .

Do I like Nuclear weapons, no; none of us should. But nuclear deterrence is vital until every other nation gives up nuclear weapons at the same time. The US cant give them up unless Russia and China do as well. India cant unless Pakistan gives them up. But Nuclear deterrence has helped Israel since it become comman knowledge they have them. Islamic nations haven't invaded Israel since then; knowing that if lost they will destroy the middle east with them.