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@_doodles01

Жыл бұрын

Pin your comment!!

@_.rainydays._

Жыл бұрын

you forgot to pin 😭

@fendrikdrake3320

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with your Lunge operation ❤

@lisah-p8474

Жыл бұрын

You got her up in time!! Yass!!

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

hey strange are the mattresses edible

the whole ursula/alix exchange truly reads like a cross-examination in ace attorney it's insane

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

get the ace attorney bot!

@glassphoenix9095

Жыл бұрын

literally the first thing that comes to mind thinking about how ursula connects the dots between alix's school email and her twitter and just goes "alix, thats you" is just the mental image of alix having an ace attorney-style breakdown animation 💀

@SpecialInterestShow

Жыл бұрын

Omg someone lol.exe this I'm begging

@Cheezy4796

Жыл бұрын

@@glassphoenix9095 I can see the characters nervous animation as the psyche locks break

@arianendayizamba937

Жыл бұрын

😊

So like, I think the moral of the story is that there's only a total of twelve real people on the Internet, and they're all fighting with each other with dozens of sock puppets.

@josiebianchi3481

Жыл бұрын

The entire internet is made up exclusively of Toby, MsScribe, and HIVLiving. Every person is at least one of them. The three genders, if you will.

@SirFooplesTheThird

Жыл бұрын

At this point I forget who I am. Are you one of my sock puppets? Am I yours? What is happening

@andrewkoster6506

Жыл бұрын

i'm the 13th person. Just kidding, i'm a bot. As a large language model

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks

Жыл бұрын

everybody is Toby and we’re all Bible fanfic

@aliceisaperson

Жыл бұрын

@@IsaacMayerCreativeWorksA+ reference there

"They were beefing hard; they were debating the morality of daddy-kink jokes" is the most Tumblr sentence ever spoken aloud.

@WTFisTingispingis

5 ай бұрын

How the goddamn fuck does that happen

as an actual Indian lesbian named Izra this was WILD

@janjanbinks1710

7 ай бұрын

Oof girl they were cosplaying as you

@gothlesbian7349

7 ай бұрын

HELP ME@@janjanbinks1710

@L4w1

7 ай бұрын

god tumblr is something else

@tatkkyo9911

5 ай бұрын

Oof that must be sureal

@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard

5 ай бұрын

.. or are you? Heyyyy Tumblr, Ursula here!

i don't agree with ursula on a moral level but "I have been [the Hamilton cannibal mermaid freak] for years" is a POWERFUL statement

If we tried explaining this to a founding father it would kill them a second time

@MagicalGirlFia

11 ай бұрын

I’d be down for that

@naurrr

11 ай бұрын

pog

@theMyRadiowasTaken

11 ай бұрын

good

@chocomelo454

11 ай бұрын

let's do it 😊

@REDACTEDbox

11 ай бұрын

hell yeah

What’s wild about this is that Alex would have gotten into infinitely less trouble if she just wrote the fanfic as a just white hiv negative weirdo lol

@Kintsugi23

Жыл бұрын

This was when "SJW Culture" was in full swing. Alix was concerned that, if she wrote her fic and was honest about her identity, people would come for her for appropriation.

@milkteamachine

11 ай бұрын

@@Kintsugi23 calling writing fiction “appropriative” is only applicable in a few select instances anyway, but writing about an experience you haven’t had is way better than uuuh lying about being a sex trafficking victim

@Kintsugi23

11 ай бұрын

@@milkteamachine 100000%

@beek.4860

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! I think she got so far into the fandom morality police mentality that when she realized she wanted to write the kind of fiction that she condemned other people for writing, she had to concoct a whole web of lies to justify the cognitive dissonance of it all. She knew first-hand what kind of harassment writing "problematic" fic could get you in certain fandom circles around that era - because she was the one doing the harassing.

@Kintsugi23

9 ай бұрын

@@beek.4860 Absolutely. I think this is also why Alix freaked out so bad about the prospect of being doxed, getting cancelled, having her chances of getting into grad school ruined. She knew that, if the shoe had been on the other foot, she would have done everything in her power to destroy someone else who had done what she did.

12:03 absolutely losing it at the caption "sleepy hijabi" with a photo of someone who has clearly just tossed a blanket over their head

@stormydayolivia

7 ай бұрын

I clocked the twist of the story right there LMFAO

@corvo9100

5 ай бұрын

Alix, throwing a blanket over her head: is this a hijab?

@janjanbinks1710

4 ай бұрын

I'm a Muslim, not a hijabi myself but some of my friends are and oh my God they go into so much effort. There are a lot of different wrapping styles and techniques meanwhile Alix just threw a blanket on like she's emperor fucking Palpatine

@blueismylove3128

4 ай бұрын

​​@@janjanbinks1710 I'm the opposite of you lol. Hijabi but not Muslim and I will say sometimes we throw something quick to cover ourselves if we don't feel like searching for a scarf and need a quick picture/video/or need to answer the door. Out of all the crap she's done, I think this little bit of criticism isn't really fair.

@janjanbinks1710

4 ай бұрын

@@blueismylove3128 Ah, I understand. You can't really do a complex warp just to answer the door and cover up quickly.

One important detail: Years before "Israa" started writing Hamilton fics, she was writing fics for Hetalia and posting them on AO3. And according to the timeline of her life story, she wrote all of these Hetalia fics... while stuck in the Indian brothel.

@emiliobustamante2401

Жыл бұрын

Well a lot of Hetalia fics read as if they where written by someone trapped in a foreign brothel

@goshujinsama666

Жыл бұрын

@@emiliobustamante2401☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

@ScrawnyTreeDemon

Жыл бұрын

😭😭

@almondsandrevolution

Жыл бұрын

“she wrote hetalia fanfiction while stuck in an Indian brothel” might genuinely be one of the funniest sentences I’ve ever read

@themedia1271

Жыл бұрын

The brothel had good wifi

hearing Ursula ended up doxxing her KILLED me. After all that, after all that "i would NEVER EVER DO THAT unlike YOU" and "I am not an arbiter of morals", they ended up doxxing Alix still. This is truly the "everyone sucks in their own way" tumblr story.

@kaitlin9288

Жыл бұрын

This story is the very embodiment of "I hope to God I never meet ANY of you fucking people in Real Life"

@babsbaker8698

Жыл бұрын

Ursula is also a TERF and started bullying Eldena Doubleca5t (the last person who covered this story) because she wouldn't back her up in some drama with Sarah Z, who called attention to the fact that one of Ursula's friends reblogged TERF-y stuff. Alix was bad, but so was Ursula. There are no good people in this story.

@thefisherking2268

Жыл бұрын

LITERALLY THIS What Ursula did was a genuinely good thing, I’m never going to deny that, but the way they acted like a martyr during the whole thing really put a bitter taste in my mouth. For someone who claimed not to be the abrader of morals, reading the language they used really made them seem like they thought of themself like a moral savior. Really, the doxxing and how they seemed so determined to make Alix suffer after this was the nail in the coffin for how I feel about this person

@sunettas9738

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was in their corner up until that part (and, while Alix was in the wrong, she did have good reason to be worried about a stranger grilling her- I'm just curious on why she didn't just block Ursula. Maybe she felt the need to justify herself?)

@lindsayshanks7555

Жыл бұрын

​@@sunettas9738I feel she was too afraid to block because she DID dig up her personal info, and wanted to try and cover her tracks as much as she could while also trying to placate this person on the internet Ngl tho Ursa was really weirdly obsessive about Alix's reactions, I would've been scared too

Being known by a Tumblr mistake IRL is a fate worse than death.

@VultureSkins

7 ай бұрын

“Mistake” is… putting it extremely lightly. Mostly because it wasn’t an accident that she literally lied about having aids, even when people came to confide in her about their/a relative’s diagnosis. That’s not a mistake

@nasinnarcotics

7 ай бұрын

@@VultureSkinsIt’s not a mistake in the accident sense, but it’s definitely a mistake in the “holy fuck what was I thinking, I’ll regret that for a long time” sense

@wilhelmkreis6578

4 ай бұрын

@@VultureSkins "mistake" ≠ "accident." mistakes can be accidental but they don't have to be.

@shizachan8421

3 ай бұрын

@@VultureSkins Fujos are a mistake in on itself to be honest and I'm so happy that lesbian spheres finally start to talk about how toxic and homophobic the community at large is tbh.

@cjboyo

2 ай бұрын

@@VultureSkinsIt was definitely a mistake, as in she miscalculated the impact of her actions and fucked up in a MASSIVE way.

Even after all this time, the line "I am not here to give you absolution, I am not the arbiter of morals" fucking slaps so hard and should be remembered forever.

@AnnaItem

11 ай бұрын

literally sounds like Lucy Dacus wrote it

@cottage-core_

11 ай бұрын

+

@jacksyoutubechannel4045

11 ай бұрын

Kind of takes something away from it knowing that she believed she _was,_ in fact, the arbiter of morals, and proceeded to attempt to set Alix's entire life alight because _a teenager lied on the internet._

@lafenetre9733

11 ай бұрын

Kinda like the guy who said “you are a coward wearing the facade of a revolutionary” but he was talking about how people were horny for the robots in atomic heart

@Letcharlieplay2545

11 ай бұрын

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Alix wasn't a teenager, she was 24 at the time. I'm not defending doxxing by any means, but alix was an adult who should've known better than to lie to such an extent and keep said lie going for multiple years, especially because she lied about being from multiple minority groups to harass people and gave medical advice when she was neither a doctor nor someone who lived with aids. Alix did far more than just lie, she led people on about serious medical issues and led harassment campaigns against people based on her fake identities.

as a tumblr user since 2014, i've seen a lot of bullshit, but reading "Alexander Hamilton is George Washington's sugar baby" felt like getting hit by a sniper

@jobrown95

Жыл бұрын

Black Senator George Washington kicked me in the face right before that

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

The spinaimbot kind

@kkurajam

Жыл бұрын

Im sorry but as a tumblr user since 2014 I've seen stuff like this so many times I'm completely desensitized, like the girls are writing Mehmed The Second x Dracula's Real Life Brother fanfic and putting in my tags

@CFpandemic

Жыл бұрын

Actually he kinda was irl tho, I'm not sure how much I like it as a fanfic concept but it would be a fire insult to throw in the real guy's face if you ever got the chance

@madmayson

Жыл бұрын

@@CFpandemic Luckily burr dealt with that problem long ago

Fun fact: I interacted with allolesbean, sort of. She jumped onto one of my posts about being ace and called me a pedophile because I said that I started to realize I was different around 16 years old and she thought that asexuality should be strictly 18+

@come_gatos_

Жыл бұрын

😭😭

@obbinss

Жыл бұрын

once again confirming my theory if you have bad queer "discourse" takes you're batshit insane and should be avoided

@fourthmatchflame

Жыл бұрын

what?

@This_is_fucking_stupid_Youtube

Жыл бұрын

Wtf??

@eugeniabukhman8533

Жыл бұрын

what the hell

Listen, i can see Israa's story being real... If she wasn't a teenager... It reads off like an 80 year olds recounting of her life throughout the years, not something a 17 year old would say happened in 2 or 3 (?) Years.

@iwakeupandboomimarat

10 ай бұрын

honestly she couldve put her age as like. 27 and id believe the flowery language lmao

@maddieb.4282

10 ай бұрын

@@iwakeupandboomimaratthe flowery language was just standard on tumblr back then lol

@turquoisecrow4513

6 ай бұрын

this is EXACTLY what i was thinking

@crumblyairship

5 ай бұрын

if she had just said that she was like...30? EXTREMELY believable for Tumblr back then

coming back to this again; alix claiming to be "chinese/pakistani" while saying her family is from "xinjiang" is especially a giveaway that she was lying. for context occupied east turkestan is referred to as "xinjiang" by the chinese government but uyghurs(the people of east turkestan) do NOT refer to it as such, and uyghurs almost never call themselves chinese

@zyan5716

6 ай бұрын

oh wow, i didnt know this! yes, if this was more common knowledge, i bet someone wouldve clocked her bullshit right away instead of waiting 2 years

@adorabell4253

4 ай бұрын

She claimed to be Uyghur? Not Hui?

@bridgettetheoctoling6208

4 ай бұрын

There are in fact many Hui people in Xinjiang, though. Though yes if someone is a muslim person from Xinjiang they're much more likely to be Uyghur. So a muslim person from Xinjiang who consistently calls themselves "Chinese" would make sense if they're Hui, although to be fair, to begin with a Muslim person in Pakistan who has immigrated from Xinjiang is almost certainly a Uyghur, so in that sense the story indeed doesn't add up.

@adorabell4253

4 ай бұрын

@@bridgettetheoctoling6208I was thinking more about her calling herself Chinese.

@allahummabarek

3 ай бұрын

@@bridgettetheoctoling6208 pls stop saying xinjiang, its east turkestan.

Calling real-life history "source material" is both accurate and awful

@freddie6307

Жыл бұрын

it's a canon event, i can't interfere

@whatdoyousuppose

Жыл бұрын

What’s worse is that I think they were actually referencing the _musical_ as the “source material” and not, you know, the actual history 🫠

@skylarjohnson7779

Жыл бұрын

you know, I can't even work out if that's correct or not.

@GeeBarone

Жыл бұрын

I assumed they were referring to the book Hamilton is based on

@reeceytoohigh

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna refer to every bit of history as source material from now on. Sounds fancy. 😂

The truly astounding thing about it to me is that the fic didn't even do that well. A couple hundred kudos in a fandom as active as Hamilton at its height would have been pretty average.

@ellexmera

Жыл бұрын

Right? When she said '600 kudos' I immediately became the Matthew McConaughey meme "THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS"

@emiliobustamante2401

Жыл бұрын

I dont know how Hamilton fanfic was doing back then but looking it up now, the most Kudo's fic in AO3 has 7,700 kudos and its from 2015 (interestingly QPQ "only" has 4,800). So yeah, 600 is not nothing, honestly it is impressive, far more than my lowly fics have ever gotten but nowhere near the lofty heights of page 1

@misterbadguy7325

Жыл бұрын

@@emiliobustamante2401 Yeah, like, it's not bad, at that point you're definitely doing well enough, you haven't fallen into the pit of nothingness. But it would probably have been good for the 400th-or-so most popular Hamilton fic on the site at the time. You would have to scroll pretty deep in to start reading it.

@umbreonic766

Жыл бұрын

when i was writing on ao3 i 100% paid more attention to hits than kudos. i saw it more like youtube, views are what people look at first, then likes. obviously a high amount of kudos is better, but not everyone is gonna leave them, especially with ao3s stupid fucking system that doesn’t let you take them back

@calimorales9880

Жыл бұрын

​@@umbreonic766 I look at ao3 like amazon. The amount of people that like it are far more telling of the quality than the amount that saw it

Ursula was acting like she was L in desth note with that interrogation 😭

@stormydayolivia

7 ай бұрын

I heard THE music playing in my head the whole time

While obviously Alix is the main villain here, there's also something really unseemly about the way Ursula acted in response. She can say whatever she wants about her intentions and interests; there is BARELY concealed glee at having her nemesis so thoroughly over a barrel on display, both in the chat log and in her subsequent posts.

@coatimundi69

10 ай бұрын

yeah no ursula came off as a huge prick to me, too. i also dont think someone who doesnt care for identity politics would care that much about someone who, for the most part, provided helpful information had they not been an annoying nemesis.

@rapot2

9 ай бұрын

@@coatimundi69 she has this 'tumblr isnt relevant' whatever thing going on and is acting like this as a full adult like definitely some kind of power trip lol

@bi_swamp_thing

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, the constant repeating by Ursula that she just wants an apology and won't dox Alix just made me more suspicious of Ursula's intentions. I think it was messed up to dox Alix after repeatedly assuring Alix that she wouldn't. I could maybe understand Ursula telling her college and her parents? But to share all her details with tumblr as a whole legit put Alix in danger.

@sandwichmonster7067

7 ай бұрын

As a wise Neopets player once said, "wow this place is a freakshow. I don't respect literally any of you people."

@Panacea246

7 ай бұрын

Yeah man Ursula gives me the creeps. The little bit where she's complaining about everyone (besides her bc she's oh so smart) being too dumb to see the lies is so teenaged to me. It's not that nobody else could have caught on, it's because only she was unstable enough to spend real life time piecing together tumblr drama for the vindication of getting back at someone over Hamilton fanfic. What Alix did was gross and wrong... But getting her school involved, posting addresses and family's names, and dragging her real identity out into the online fandom space was DANGEROUS. What if someone had been so upset about it they'd opted to irl stalk or hurt Alix or her family? Real blood could have come from this.

Ursula was absolutely 100% in the wrong for doxxing Alix, but god that initial confrontation was wild. The fact Alix's initial response to being accused of faking multiple identities online was "nonono, they're real people, I just *stole/mimicked the identities of people I know IRL* to fake multiple identities online" is BONKERS

@jvgreendarmok

Жыл бұрын

Didn't one of Ms Scribe's alts say the same thing?

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

honestly I think doxxing scammers is fine. she wasn't a child, she was in college. and she should have real life consequences for the shit she did

@hannahleigh6152

Жыл бұрын

​@@nunyabusiness164You're wrong.

@arsena5209

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabusiness164 it isn't

@cryptiddmashups0011

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabusiness164should she face consequences? absolutely. Should she have been doxxed? Absolutely fucking not.

Obviously what Alix did was terrible, but I also can't let Ursula off the hook for being like "doxxing is illegal and immoral" and THEN JUST DECIDING TO DO IT ANYWAY

@elenas3571

Жыл бұрын

No one deserves to be doxxed. It opens the person being doxxed and everyone they know to real world harassment and harm. People who didn’t do anything wrong are often sent photos of their house, followed to school and work, and mailed death threats because they are “guilty by association”. It’s not cute.

@notthis9586

Жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard at that part!

@nhaedzwero43

Жыл бұрын

Just because something is illegal and immoral doesn't mean you can't do it. Ursula tricked the liar.

@nhaedzwero43

Жыл бұрын

@@freval2493 not a minor*

@catatoblob8598

Жыл бұрын

It didn't sound to me like she actually thought doxxing was illegal or immoral so much as she was framing it that way as a veiled threat.

It is kind of funny that she lied about literally every aspect of her identity, yet apparently she was above using someone else's pictures

@entrancedsnow7076

11 ай бұрын

Probably because those could be reverse image searched

@ussinussinongawd516

11 ай бұрын

@@entrancedsnow7076 you can easily prevent it by flipping the image and editing it slightly like strategic cropping, slight color edits, general filter, grayscale. its pretty easy

I think that last post hit one particular nail on the head- it isn’t that an HIV positive queer Muslim sex trafficking victim couldn’t exist, go to college, and meet a trans lesbian they want to have kids with all while living or planning to live in places that actively would love to see them dead. It is absolutely possible for a pair of human beings to check that many “marginalized group” boxes. But those people would NEVER spend their internet time writing that much Hamilton fan fiction or publicly talking about the intimate details of their lives, ESPECIALLY back then. When I read a story, especially a Tumblr one, where someone checks 26 of those boxes and also talks about it constantly my BS alarm does go off, just because it does feel like thats not what someone would do if they were. I hit a few boxes myself, and I do discuss them sometimes, but it’s not like every message, post, and story I write ties back to one of them and I tend to downplay them.

@error-try-again-later

Жыл бұрын

People who tick those boxes (including me) also wouldn't forget massive central parts of our lives/identities until it was convenient to own the haters 💀 especially not if your whole personality is _constantly talking about yourself._

@hlnolvrgo_c

Жыл бұрын

also, people can write and discuss things without having to live them. they just need to educate themselves. though a genuine experience is always more authentic

@JustaBeeinaField

Жыл бұрын

⁠Agreed, like doctors, historians, psychologists, etc don’t need to live/have lived what they studied to know about particular subjects. The emotional process of living those specific circumstances, however, are up to individuals who deal with it personally. An example that comes to mind rn is Fullmetal Alchemist and how Hiromu Arakawa handled war veterans and their trauma. She studied a fuck ton about war and its effects on society but went and interviewed those who lived it first hand in order to grasp whatever she could of the emotional history and scarring it left on those individuals. That’s how you respectfully handle experiences that are foreign to you in works of fiction, imo.

@fluffywolfo3663

Жыл бұрын

And also when someone lies about being any identity... they _will_ fuck up. It's a question of when, not if. If I lied about... I don't know, being some ethnicity other than white, from somewhere else (let's say Philadelphia) I would inevitably get tripped up by someone saying "oh hey, what about X! You'd know about X, right?" or a little insignificant fact I wouldn't know enough to fact check, like mentioning a grocery store or brand that's not common in Philly.

@supernebula101

Жыл бұрын

It's almost like they're writing a... fanfiction project

i’m gonna be vulnerable for a minute and share this ~ i both read and enjoyed to scale the blue sky when i was a high school freshmen. i made playlists and mood boards. there’s one chapter in the fic where the main characters make red ribbons for aids awareness and pass them out at school, so i spent an entire night safety pinning together red ribbons to pass out at school on world aids day. i kind of faded out of the hamilton fandom after that and did not know about this whole situation until your video. which means i have spent 7 whole years thinking this fic was just a quiet blip and that israa and naj were real people. i say all this because i need you to understand how insane it feels hearing all this information now. i feel like a victorian child eating a warhead

@maxineschultze922

Жыл бұрын

This is fucking insane thank you for sharing (also the ribbons thing is so funny but you were still doing a good deed so it’s kinda wholesome)

@yusufkadar

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for your service.

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

somehow my brain processed "victorian child eating a warhead" as referring to a literal nuclear weapon and not the sour candy, and i think that sums up how i felt reading your comment. my condolences

@hlnolvrgo_c

Жыл бұрын

you poor soul

@JustaBeeinaField

Жыл бұрын

@@beek.4860omg, I forgot about the existence of that candy! I thought “what a bizarre idiom” since English isn’t my first language and sometimes it’s idioms or sayings are _wild_ 😂

issra adding new plot points to her backstory to win arguments is hilarious

@fourthmatchflame

Жыл бұрын

its like when you add more stuff to your backstory in dnd for more proficiencies.

@error-try-again-later

Жыл бұрын

"I attack and kill you with exposure lasers-" "NUH-UH! ACTUALLY I HAVE MY QUEER SHIELDS ACTIVATED AND YOUR LASERBEAMS EXPLODE!"

@HW-sw5gb

Жыл бұрын

All is fair in love and fake war

@swumbles

Жыл бұрын

my dad is the CEO of Marginalization and he can get your account deleted 💯

@Kintsugi23

Жыл бұрын

I think my "favorite" part was when people started questioning how "Israa" could be pregnant if she had a wife, so she started claiming her wife had actually been a trans woman this whole time

I feel like a lot of the bizarre Tumblr fandom discourse of this era ended up serving as fuel for early incarnations of the reactionary "anti-SJW" movement, which is both a shame and fundamentally misses the point of what actually made these sorts of sagas so crazy. These sort of sagas don't come about because of some ideological flaw in identity politics or social justice or whatever, they're the result of weird, overzealous fandom types discovering those concepts and immediately trying to use them as a cudgel to win arguments about who Severus Snape was fucking.

@G--lp7xq

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely, usually it’s all boiled down to shipping wars with extra step

@ansel569

9 ай бұрын

no, it definitely existed before this moment. tumblr was known as the “weird queer freak site” in anti sjw circles for years before this.

@margaretgibbs6673

Күн бұрын

EXACTLY it's the fakeness and performativity and misuse of serious issues and concepts for petty reasons. That's not a phenomenon that the left has any kind of monopoly on lol

"Not all stories have a point to them. Sometimes they're just sad and disgusting from beginning to end." I feel like that summarises this pretty well tbh

@purplestareyes

7 ай бұрын

Sam O'nella quotes really do hit the hardest for me these days. In these trying times.😭

@eldritchexploited5462

6 ай бұрын

And this story didn't even have a dude who could eat an entire eel whole.

hamilton is a great musical show, questionable take on history, and an INCREDIBLE impact on society i am THRILLED that we have done this to the founding fathers

@VTWS

Жыл бұрын

Someday one of us will manage to go back in time and tell them this story

@jane_wants_to_feel

Жыл бұрын

tommy jefferson is rolling in his grave

@simonpelletier8047

Жыл бұрын

Don't you mean... The founding daddies!? ❤

@Eye-Of-The-Beholder

Жыл бұрын

@@jane_wants_to_feel As he should lol

@aliceisaperson

Жыл бұрын

@@jane_wants_to_feelthank god lol. Fuck that dude

I saw someone on tumblr call out a "pedo ship" where the younger person was 30.

@katherinealvarez9216

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’ve seen that a lot in the OUAT Fandom.

@noinfo4789

Жыл бұрын

Did the 30 year old at least look young or was this another "im a 20 year old minor" situation . . . again

@jasper3706

Жыл бұрын

It must be teenagers, right? Like, I can't imagine this being anything other than a child's lack of perspective. Y'know, like when a 16 year old stays that 26 is "old?" My brain can't rationalize it any other way

@JaylukKhan

Жыл бұрын

@@noinfo4789 it was Entrapta. She's kind of drawn in anime style so I guess her age is a bit ambiguous from appearances, but she's like a scientist and she definitely doesn't sound like a child. She's the mad scientist archetype.

@noinfo4789

Жыл бұрын

@@JaylukKhan wait entrapta from she-ra? Was the ship entrapdak (entrapta/hordak) because if so that straight up doesn't make any sense in the slightest (its obvious that shes not a child and their both consenting adults also isn't it a cannon ship?)

My aunt died of AIDS when I was 10. I recently found her panel in the blanket we had made back when she passed. The size of that blanket as a whole is mind blowing. It’s huge. So many lost lives.

@beccak8166

Жыл бұрын

I'm very sorry for your loss

@SpaztasticSheep

Жыл бұрын

So sorry for your loss

@Anne-ot8gq

7 ай бұрын

Its a gigantic quilt, it makes me cry everytime i see it.

I misread the title as "Hiveliving" and I was hoping for a funny video into people who pretend to be ants or other insects blogging about what its like to live in a hive but instead I got hit in the face with a story that is absurd, infuriating, kinda sad and kinda funny all at the same time

@genericname2747

9 ай бұрын

Have you heard of the Facebook group where people pretend to be ants

@kattastic9999

3 ай бұрын

Honestly that sounds kinda fun

@Madamoizillion

4 күн бұрын

L I F T

i genuinely laugh every time i think about the fact that thomas jefferson helped to establish this country and "fought for the freedoms of it's citizens" (excluding anyone that wasn't white men) just for, over 200 years later, someone to make the miku binder thomas jefferson art. i think that is incredible

@anastasiazellner47

Жыл бұрын

Miku binder Thomas Jefferson art where Thomas Jefferson himself was black, to be precise 😂😂

@arsyn.kolgrim

Жыл бұрын

@@anastasiazellner47 THATS LITERALLY THE BEST PART like i know thomas jefferson is rolling in his grave at being portrayed as a black trans man

@danielkrohn4980

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact. He didn't even want to enfranchise all white male protestants. He hated the Germans of all people. In the 1790s, Jefferson wrote that Germans would be the downfall of America.

@whimsyandsilly

Жыл бұрын

i need anyone reading these comments to know i knew the artist who drew miku binder jefferson LMFAO they were in the roleplay community on deviantart. aside from drawing thomas jefferson miku binder they also roleplayed danny from game grumps as a trans man & kurt cobain overdosing iirc. roleplayed kurt at the very least tho and i remember it was sketchy. but from my personal experiences with them up until that point they were very chill & fun to write with

@nixxdra

Жыл бұрын

I like to think that before he died Jefferson found the monkey’s paw and wished to be famous and remembered. And 200 later we got Hamilton followed shortly after by miku binder Jefferson.

"Israa was a 19 year-old Chinese-Pakistani Muslim, with a wife named Mukta who was an 18 year-old (part?) Somali trans-lesbian Catholic raised in America" Me, a history/world religions researcher with a girlfriend from north India, and thus very interested in the complex history between China/India/Pakistan: 𝗢𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝘀 𝗴𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗮 𝗯𝗲 𝙜𝙤𝙤𝙙.

@Qabim

Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for Israa to post about how hard it is being Pakistani in India but it just never came

@zakhawker344

Жыл бұрын

​​@@QabimIt seems like Alix thought opposing difficulty for marginalised people means presenting a very marginalised person existing without facing any difficulty. Which isn't really surprising, their main interest was a musical that has slaveholder politicians played by black actors singing hip-hop songs

@charliecussans7638

Жыл бұрын

How could anyone read this and not instantly go "hey this totally bullshit".

@idk_a_plant

Жыл бұрын

what's the beef between China/India/Pakistan? I'm interested in country drama

@mickyj300x

Жыл бұрын

​@@idk_a_plantthe partition of india into india and pakistan was utterly brutal, with up to 2 million people being killed. Pakistan and india have basically been in their own cold war ever since, with multiple conflicts, paramilitary funding, and nuclear weapons construction. China and india also have multiple disputed territories, and have fought a war over it in 1967, with border clashes still going on to this day. Safe to say that being half Chinese, half pakistani in india isnt a recipe for a good time

"Naj", aka Alix, made a huge mistake by trying to appease Ursula during the initial confrontation, bending over backwards to explain away every inconsistency in her story. "Naj" should have maintained that self-righteous tumblr attitude we all know and love, and instead of trying to play defense, turn the tables and get deeply offended that Ursula was questioning her identity and prying into her personal life. Then Naj could have turned the whole thing into a "what gives you, a stranger on the internet, the right to question the identities of me and my partner?" type situation, then angrily block Ursula without answering any further questions. If anyone asks you about it later, say that Ursula was harassing you with baseless accusations and invasive questions about your finances and living situation. Then your followers will have your back and shun Ursula for being a creep, which will make her accusations seem meritless by default. Ya know, just some tips for aspiring catfish and grifters out there.

@butterflyslinky

7 ай бұрын

Or she could have just blocked Ursula without responding. Ursula might have gotten a few people to turn on "Israa", but everyone else would have chalked it up to coincidences/IP faking/etc (much like they did with Ms. Scribe) and it would have blown over. Ursula and co would have continued hating "Israa" the way they already did, "Israa's" friends would have continued buying the lie, and it never would have breached containment.

@Apollo9898LP

7 ай бұрын

she also had the perfect opportunity since Ursula WAS being a prying, self-righteous ass about the whole situation, it would have been so easy for her to spin the narrative in her favor.

@direcircumstances

7 ай бұрын

@@Apollo9898LP Exactly! Alix really dropped the ball. A more experienced bullshitter never would have let Ursula get the upper hand in that conversation. Tbh, I found myself rooting AGAINST Ursula because she as so fucking annoying about the whole thing, but I guess Alix was too easily scared and wracked with guilt to fight back.

@zoeb3573

7 ай бұрын

She was young still, I'm sure she's learned from her mistakes and is bullshitting people to this say.

@skylarjohnson7779

6 ай бұрын

I feel like if some stranger did randomly accuse you and your friend of lying about your identities when you're not, you'd put them on blast like "what the fuck is this?" and block them. Because it would be weird.

I'm a queer nonbinary person who is survivor of a form of sex trafficking, and happily married to a trans woman. I am not hiv positive or a person of color so I cant imagine how those people feel but this whole story made me so annoyed. Like Alix honey if you want the trauma that bad you can have it. Its not fun, it's not interesting. It actually sucks.

@iwakeupandboomimarat

11 ай бұрын

literally she was using these marginalised identities and trauma like sex trafficking and miscarriages in order to win tumblr arguments??? girl go outside 😭

@Theeosees

9 ай бұрын

What form? if ur ready

@smwatertasteslikewater

9 ай бұрын

@@Theeoseesdo you need to know?

@janjanbinks1710

7 ай бұрын

Priveleged kids want to be oppressed so bad

@fossilfightersfanforever7243

7 ай бұрын

@@Theeoseesgirl

The apparent "real photo of Israa" is something else to behold. It literally looks like someone threw a blanket over her head pretending to be hijab and cranked down the gamma, it is not a selfie I think anyone could be proud of unless they were intentionally trying to hide their identity

@sara-os5yz

Жыл бұрын

How in the hell did people not pick on the fact that she was racefaking when she posted that oh my god

@Eloraurora

Жыл бұрын

I honestly didn't process it as remotely hijab-adjacent, I just thought of _The Ring._

@merrittanimation7721

Жыл бұрын

@@Eloraurora "You have to reblog this post or you'll die in seven days" energy

@livlikesrides2919

Жыл бұрын

literally the SECOND i saw the selfies i knew immediately none of it was real

@fruitygarlic3601

Жыл бұрын

@@det-onator5270 Not necessarily the face. The hair, chest, and outline of the body are required, with some debate on what that should mean. Some people opt to cover their faces, sometimes also obscuring their eyes with mesh.

I'm beyond floored that anyone thought Alix would like,,, be publicly reprimanded by their college over this? Especially in 2020. Like, yeah, what they did was shitty, but the idea of a REAL ASS UNIVERSITY publicly speaking out against Hamilton fandom drama is INCREDIBLY silly to me.

@bishielurfer

Жыл бұрын

I'm honestly surprised if they didn't face _any_ consequences for the fraud (I'm guessing they decided it just wasn't worth it), but yeah, expecting anything publicly to come of it is pretty unrealistic. Sometimes if something is public enough, schools may end up asking someone to leave if their presence is causing problems for the school or other students, but this was such a niche internet thing that they were probably more baffled than anything else.

@vonriel1822

Жыл бұрын

My guess is that the fraud was both small enough in scale and, presumably, undone, so it wasn't worth the efforts of any DA to bother following up on. And, I probably don't have to say it, but nobody who was willing to donate to Israa is going to have the money to chase this thing down in civil court at extreme loss to themself just to recover a bit of face over the ordeal.

@dogdad1997

Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine anyone in administration at the college I went to even being able to make sense of this. They were all like 50+, you'd need to sit down and explain what Tumblr was, what fanfics were, a good bit of internet culture for them to half-way get what everyone was so upset about

@alltheworldatmyfeet

Жыл бұрын

If the majority of colleges wont even go after students or teacher sexual predators, i would be astounded they woupd care about a white girl racefaking and committing fraud on tumblr.

@feykingjulian

Жыл бұрын

yeah it very much reflects the community that was involved at the time- like only a teenagers understanding of reality could make them think that a university would take action on one of their students over things they did on tumblr.

Revisiting this now that I exist outside pro/anti-ship talk I cannot help but feel like Ursula was less interested in getting Alix to admit what was wrong and more interested in some kind of fandom justice. The chatlogs really rub me wrong. Alix is disgusting, sure, but like. Girl you need to touch grass too

@arizonagreenbee

11 ай бұрын

oh most definitely. like. girl log off

@margaretgibbs6673

Күн бұрын

At BEST Ursula started off or had good intentions in there *as well* but this obviously wasn't just about the Justice of it all or 1) they wouldn't have DOXXED HER AFTER PROMISING NOT TO, for all the good it did 2) they wouldn't have been enjoying it so much lol like be serious bestie you were SO happy you finally got to take one of the Fandom Morality Police who'd attacked you down a peg

This is very much an Everyone's Shit Here situation. Alix is obviously awful, but honestly, so is Ursula. Doxxing is almost always wrong, and this is certainly not a case where that thorough of a doxx was ever needed. Plus the fact that the reason Eldena DoubleCa5t took down her video on this is because she didn't want to be associated with Ursula after Ursula tried to get her to distance herself from her friend Sarah Z. because Sarah criticized Ursula's TERF friends.

@absurdum-the-artist

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering what happened to that video! Of course Ursula hangs out with TERFs

@glocrowhurst

Жыл бұрын

That last sentence was a wild ride. Of COURSE, the drama never ends.

@qheesethecluelessuke2006

11 ай бұрын

@@glocrowhurst It never does, and the longer drama goes on, the more likely it is that one or more or all of the people involved will turn out to be horrific bigots. Especially TERFs with Tumblr.

@aeddiefarmer

11 ай бұрын

@@SpandyandZepperluvr2000szoomer I know what Ursula's current URL is and they are vocally anti-TERF (and trans) so I'm confused by this. Also I don't think we have any proof of Alix making a particularly large amount of money and I'm not sure the lies were illegal, just immoral. So I don't think this would be a police matter, not sure proper authorities could really go beyond contacting her college. My impression of Ursula is someone who struggles with anger and I would imagine that's the reason why they see things in black and white (Sarah Z is bad, Alix is really bad so it's ok for me to doxx, etc) in situations of conflict. That doesn't make it ok, obviously. But it also doesn't mean that Sarah Z had Ursula bang to rights about being a secret TERF or anything. The internet just causes everyone to have to take these massive black and white stances whenever there is a conflict. I think SZ has run into trouble in the past due to having a large tumblr following (partially from youtube) but behaving like a regular tumblr user, and then when SZ's legions of followers harrass someone Sarah criticised Sarah has been like ':O??' I sympathise because I have a tiny tumblr and if I had a fraction of SZ's following I would fall into these kinds of traps all the time. And SZ has noticeably scaled back her tumblr interraction, presumably because of this kind of thing, which I respect.

@ferretleaf

11 ай бұрын

holy shit i never knew that was the reason it was deleted…damn i really wanted to be on ursula’s side but doxxing AND defending terfs?? insane

As soon as I heard the alleged backstory, my first thought was, "You're a teenage white girl, aren't you?"

@Sheena000

Жыл бұрын

Heirloom hijab pins really gives it away.

@elusivemayfly7534

Жыл бұрын

Yyyyeeeeep 😂

@SiRenfield

Жыл бұрын

Even ignoring that I was aware of the story already the fact that one of them was the daughters of a diplomat who was trafficked certainly made me went “okay hold the fucking phone” because there’s no way in hell any criminal organization would be STUPID enough to do that without expecting the authorities to go full Liam Nielsen on them

@saudade7842

Жыл бұрын

@@SiRenfield The last group any criminal org, especially one like that wants to mess with is the U.S. feds because just about no where's safe. If the country you're in doesn't extradite to the U.S. then they will get you themselves, with or without that country's permission lol

@somewhat-blue

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for the comments to confirm or deny this because of how wildly implausible the whole thing immediately felt lol.

So between this, MsScribe, Sarah Z’s Toby video, and Hbomb’s Tommy Tallarico video, I think “video essay unraveling someone’s years of lies” is a new favorite KZread genre for me

@fourthmatchflame

Жыл бұрын

my mothers very proud.

@agooseinpeopleclothes

Жыл бұрын

Thomas Jefferson was the first American Sonic

@noodlespook6689

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how many Guinness World records Israa held

@SaltNPeppers

Жыл бұрын

​@@noodlespook6689nowhere near tommy tallarico, i'm sure. his mother's very proud

@qstionblomens6138

Жыл бұрын

Ms. Scribe worked hand-in-hand with Clarabella for five years

this isn’t related to the drama, but lizdexia (the author of the hamilton/washington fic) made fun of supernatural last year, and a fan exposed how she wrote explicit RPF about harry enten & nate silver (of 538 fame) before she went after and dated harry enten. she continued to write RPF about him even after getting with him and even had a reddit account where she talked about fantasizing about harry enten and nate silver together, along with a a lot of other details about their sexual relationship. so yeah, not a single normal person in this story 💀

@juicyfry4326

11 ай бұрын

Screenshotting this comment b/c what the fuck

@theMyRadiowasTaken

11 ай бұрын

No i refuse to believe anything you just said. On a fundemental basis i refuse to believe this could be true. I must. For my own sake

@sebastianissocool

11 ай бұрын

Okay I need to know more

@theMyRadiowasTaken

11 ай бұрын

@@sebastianissocool Why have you reminded me of this Sebastian I had nearly forgotten this

@sebastianissocool

11 ай бұрын

@@theMyRadiowasTaken I needed someone else to feel exactly as I felt at this exact moment.

ursula: are you sure that you have hiv, are a poc victim, and 3 different people? alix: im not just sure, im HIV positive.

Absolutely screaming at the fact that Ursula repeatedly assured Alix that they weren't going to dox her because it was wrong, and then going back on their word and doxxing not only Alix, but their parents as well by revealing their full names. Like Alix isn't a good person, but Ursula sure ain't winning the moral high ground

@hailthequeenFM

Жыл бұрын

The only use for the moral high ground in this world is to determine terminal velocity when you swan dive of it.

@cemeterygxtes

Жыл бұрын

Right. Alix is a horrible person but to doxx her so thoroughly that they found her PARENTS?? wild

@nhaedzwero43

Жыл бұрын

​@@cemeterygxtes disagree here. Ursula had the power to threaten her and told her "don't delete". It was an implicit threat that Alix took as a questionable situation, and Alix's repeated asks of "but will you dox me?" were very explicitly just a way to assure their safety. As a pathological liar, Alix had trust on the other person's words and didn't read the fine print. She had already made her plan to escape long ago, and Ursula wasn't having any of it. Dox the doxxer back, I call that karma. It's on her parents to have raised that little shit so badly.

@ShinyPrimarina

Жыл бұрын

@@nhaedzwero43 ok but was it necessary to doxx her parents, people who weren't involved.

@thebean1915

Жыл бұрын

@nhaedzwero43 friend when you are a) encouraging *doxxing* of all things--including the doxxing of her parents, b) blaming the stupid behavior of someone *entirely* on the parents while knowing nothing of the home situation, and c) psycologically analyzing the situation while being an outsider, you are not ok. yes, parent behaviors can influence children. yes, alix deserved to be reprimanded for her behavior. yes, alix does have some mental issues undoubtedly. but bro. you saw this entire video and those were your takes

My 46 year old mother overheard me watching this and I tried to explain it to her but it required so much context that I think it just made her more confused 😭 like no mom I can’t explain miku binder Jefferson to you I’m sorry

@AnxiousGary

Жыл бұрын

Parents just don't understand.

@supotter377

Жыл бұрын

I was asked what homestuck was by my mom and she wouldn’t just take “it’s an old web comic with too much bs going on to explain” for an answer since “it couldn’t possibly be that complicated 😒” so I spent 20 minutes trying to tell her about it until she finally gave up lmao.

@theMyRadiowasTaken

11 ай бұрын

​@@supotter377(it could possibly be that complicated)

@sulfurpunk

10 ай бұрын

thankfully my mom and aunt are tumblr connoisseurs so it's a lot easier to explain them fandom drama than other members of my family

@platedlizard

10 ай бұрын

Well now I feel old (43)

I thought Ursula was handling the situation okay, if not a bit too heavy handed on the ‘apologize’ rhetoric. But then you hit me with the ‘Ursula later made a post doxxing Alex’ and I have never frowned so hard in my life. The fact that Alex was BEGGING not to be publicly doxxed, and Ursula PROMISED she wouldn’t, and then she turned around and did it. I’m actually disgusted. Why does it seem like every ‘atone for your actions’ keyboard warrior is secretly just as morally bankrupt, if not even more so? I want to believe there’s some good, reasonable people out there who solve discourse, but god, it just seems like everyone ends up the villain in the end. Hypocrite culture tears me apart inside.

@cottage-core_

11 ай бұрын

+

@Naniru87

9 ай бұрын

I hate doxxing too, but consider this: - she only told her parts of the truth, when confronted with evidence that she had lied, then she apologized and spun new lies, just to get confronted with the truth again. Rinse, repeat. - she told her she wouldn't delete the blog but did it anyway - In fact she was told to not delete a single thing and just apologize and she had to tell her this again and again - and again and again she lied, and deleted/privated stuff - the apology was so bare bones that she needed to get called out on it, before she added the details about how big the lie actually was - her apologies were meaningless. She gave them to placate Ursula, not bc she meant them. I am pretty sure she did all of this bc she got promised she wouldn't get doxxed. She pushed Ursula again and again to see with how much she would get away with. Again and again and again. She didn't regret lying. She regretted getting caught. Doxxing her was not right, I agree with this COMPLETELY. I understand why it happened though and I feel way more sorry for her victims than for her. She can just move now to a place where no one knows about this and starts over. The people in the group chat will forever remember her betrayal and that they discussed deeply personal stuff with someone who catfished them for FF-cloud. They were a prop for her, nothing else. Or for the people she bullied online to feel superior. Again, nothing but props for her. God this is so fucked up...!

@genericname2747

9 ай бұрын

Good people exist, they're just not involved in this nonsense

@espighty

9 ай бұрын

@@genericname2747 REAL

@susanne431

7 ай бұрын

I thought so too but what disgusted me abo it was Ursula not just doxxing Alix but doxxing her parents and sister too, remember she posted their full names in that whole doxxing post too. At least with Alix you could argue Ursula did it so she wouldn't just get away with it consequence free (doesn't make it right but at least it's somewhat understandeble) but damn leave innocent people out of it please!

I don't respect Alix but watching Ursula try to be the "hero" here is incredibly annoying. Telling Alix its not a big deal because it's "just Tumblr drama" then proceeding to doxx her and reach out to people she really knows? like, she's making it worse

I was nodding along, completely on Ursula's side as they dug all this up and confronted Alix, right up until they went back on their word and *actually* doxxed her. That just tainted the whole thing.

@kaitlin9288

Жыл бұрын

"I am not the arbiter of morals", Ursula says right before doxxing another human being for morality reasons

@connorshea9085

Жыл бұрын

Yeah thats pretty fucked up

@thehermit8618

Жыл бұрын

​​@@kaitlin9288i am not the arbiter of morals" said Ursula, acting all moral and uppity for what seems to be several days while hounding a literal teenager who did something very stupid but ultimately mostly harmless in the grand scheme of things

@MagicalGirlFia

Жыл бұрын

I thought I was weird for seeing what they did was wrong because generally they’re portrayed as being “the good guy”. I’m glad that I’m not just being weird even if Alix DEFINITELY wasn’t in the right.

@kaitlin9288

Жыл бұрын

@@thehermit8618 While I wouldn't argue that Alix's actions were *entirely* harmless (she did lie to a lot of people who were in more vulnerable positions than she was), the moment Ursula doxxed her it stopped being about trying to help people and more about performing an act of retribution. Before, I could at least interpret their action of calling Alix out as well-meaning but very misguided. With the doxxing though, the only person Ursula was serving by doing that was Ursula

Telling this story to a founding father would kill them.

@thehermit8618

Жыл бұрын

Showing vanilla Hamilton to a founding father would kill them

@orkleth

Жыл бұрын

I think Ben Franklin would have a good chuckle.

@maci__302

Жыл бұрын

@orkleth nah he definitely would 😭😭

@hilariousactually

Жыл бұрын

I'd kill to see them see this

@EmissaryofWind

Жыл бұрын

Good

The Hamilton fandom feels like that Community meme where Troy walks in with the pizza and everything is on fire.

@salem-01

7 ай бұрын

Yeah that is probably what every body who found the important confession post was feeling

something abt ursula still doxxing alix knowing how absolutely petrified she was of it is so fucking evil imo

Maybe a controversial opinion but most people are boring, and that's ok. You really don't need to come up with an elaborate backstory or fake minority status for Tumblr cred.

@tbotalpha8133

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I personally take great comfort in the belief that I'm not special.

@hobbyhorse5848

Жыл бұрын

But to contrast. The absolute calamity that results from when people do this to a degree that mirrors some Manichaean real life power struggles between hierarchy and nobility is a level of messiness that I am always in awe of.

@Romanticoutlaw

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately, teens kind of lack the perspective to understand that until it's hindsight

@byulharangforlife

Жыл бұрын

literally their story was soo insane like how did people even believe that ☠️

@viraltang

Жыл бұрын

Back in my day we just made fandom insert ocs...this is why the trollsonas need to make a comeback.

now I want a fight between Alix "im going to make up trauma and exploit it" and Onision "here's my actual traumatic childhood and how im VERY NOT TRAUMATISED AT ALL BY IT"

@error-try-again-later

Жыл бұрын

Alix would 100% adopt Onision's backstory into her own.

@Meleedroit

Жыл бұрын

Onion boy would be more focused on alix being way younger than him

@victorloef

Жыл бұрын

@@Meleedroit "If only we'd met just 5 years ago. You could have come stay with me, after your escape from the brothel"

@xqu1c

11 ай бұрын

@@victorloefThat is so onion

@gabriellaheringer373

8 ай бұрын

Who’s this Onision?

having heard about all this after being in the hamilton fandom at the time is like learning you were inches away from being hit by an intercontinental ballistic missle

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

SAME!! thank god i was very very far away from the discourse side of the fandom so i only remember laughing at that one reblog of the confession post that was like "1. wtf 2. why is this tagged hamilton" and totally forgetting about the whole thing for YEARS?? it's like finding out that time you thought you had a bad flu you had actually just barely survived brain-eating amoebas

@pinkiepielunagirls4541

6 ай бұрын

i joined tumblr right around the time this was all going down AND was in the peak of my hamilton phase. knowing how i was only a few degrees of separation from all this makes me so glad that i never managed to get into the fandom itself (instead i was in the wings of fire tumblr fandom, which also has some batshit stories. though nothing on the level of this)

Ursula: “Doxxing people is illegal and immoral” … Ursula moments later: “I doxxed her.”

@dududulia

9 ай бұрын

well she never said she wasn't immoral lmao

@cryptiddmashups0011

7 ай бұрын

@@dududuliai mean she did say repeatedly that she would’t dox alix and yet here we are

If I had a dollar for every time a fanfiction author used an array of sockpuppet accounts to generate a cult of personality among a fandom's it-crowd and harass users that produce content they find objectionable and then got exposed by an early victim, I'd be quite wealthy, because it keeps on happening because nobody ever learns anything.

@neckpeck2738

Жыл бұрын

Wait, does it? Who, besides this Alix girl, and to a lesser extent MsScribe, has done it?

@atoaster1209

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@neckpeck2738There’s another similar story from the Old Guard (comic book and then movie adaptation) fandom about a white-ish power user faking PoC status to validate fandom opinions. The callout post (insofar as those can be trusted) dates from 2021, so there’s your evidence that this keeps happening

@millicentbystander4502

Жыл бұрын

@@neckpeck2738 you could also prolly add toby from My Immortal, although Toby just harrasses different accounts to harrass himself

@carcosacommune

Жыл бұрын

"but enough about Lily Orchard"

@evelynwright329

11 ай бұрын

i knkw of at least 3 one direction fanfic writers who made fake accounts to be their fan club, their haters, and their closest friends. they all got caught and all happened years apart

I actually listened to a podcast about fandom drama and one of their episodes was about HIVliving and the scandal and they actually read "To Scale a Blue Sky" and apparently it was A) was FAR MORE explicit than tagged/rated on AO3, B) had some weeeeeeeeeird portrayals of race C) was NOT accurate to the queer/poc experience in the 1980s at all and D) was generally mid af

@alicethemad1613

Жыл бұрын

Alix doing literally exactly what she harassed and abused a bunch of other people for while also larping as an impoverished minority. Color me shocked

@emiliobustamante2401

Жыл бұрын

OMG are you talkimg about the SUPER niche Authors Note Pod, I listen to that episode too!

@li.schneider

Жыл бұрын

^^^ omg i miss author’s note (don’t like don’t listen) every day

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

i listened to that one too! knowing how bizarre the fic itself was makes this whole thing even funnier

@fusionofmyth

Жыл бұрын

​@lischneider3701 by any chance do you have any links? Thanks

whenever ai art discourse comes up i bring up thomas jefferson miku binder bc no machine could ever create something like that. truly the pinnacle of human creativity

I'm honestly confused what Ursula expected Alix's school to do about the situation. Lying about your identity on the internet isn't illegal. What Alix did was super shitty, but she didn't break any actual laws except possible financial fraud, and that would be well outside the jurisdiction of the university police force (and from what I understand, the amount of money she actually gained from it was too small to qualify as a felony). The most the university could say was that Alix broke the code of conduct somehow, but this whole situation was so bizarre that I doubt a university acceptable internet use policy would cover it.

@aeddiefarmer

11 ай бұрын

I guess get her booted from the racism groups? I'm not sure if that was Ursula's intention but it sounds like that documentedly did happen. I really don't think Alix should be in those but other than that I don't know either.

@butterflyslinky

11 ай бұрын

@@aeddiefarmer IIRC, part of the conversation (that was in Eldena's video but not this one) was Ursula telling Alix she needed to resign as the anti-racism club's president, though I don't know if Alix followed through with that. And even if that was the intent, they could have just contacted the advisor for that club and not the university admin.

@sophitiaofhyrule

10 ай бұрын

I get where you're coming from but since Alix is supposedly part of a anti-racism group in her school, I think it's fair she gets some form of consequence for being a white woman pretending to be a person of color online. Like being kicked out of the group or something.

@genericname2747

9 ай бұрын

Imagine the school staff meeting to discuss this.

@kitkat70453

7 ай бұрын

stop i just laughed so unbelievably hard at this @@genericname2747

ursula telling alix that "tumblr isn't as a big of a deal as you think it is" and then going off to email alix's university about tumblr drama expecting them to give a shit is some insane energy like what

@feykingjulian

Жыл бұрын

THIS LMAO

@jlkjlkjkljklj9162

Жыл бұрын

I mean, to be fair. Alix was in the governing body of a social justice group in her university. That is the sort of thing that gets you a strong reprimand because of racism. Also, depending on the degree, this is the sort of thing that really, really doesn't fly.

@alveolate

Жыл бұрын

imagine if alix actually fessed well enough that ursula never doxxed her... anyone up to write an RPF on this alt timeline?

@obyone878

Жыл бұрын

I mean, the person is a cereal liar and completely untrustworthy. They're also a threat to themselves and others, so it kind fits with what one should do.

@haltorn2611

Жыл бұрын

​@@obyone878cereal lmao (and yeah it's fucked up)

as much as we laugh at miku binder jefferson, the fact that he is represented as a queer black man would absolutely enrage the real Jefferson and i for one think that’s something worth celebrating

@themorrigan7224

Жыл бұрын

That is why it’s one of my favorite things about it. I think it’s framed on his cell wall in hell

@thekalenichannel1812

Жыл бұрын

​@@themorrigan7224lmao I love that

@joyflameball

Жыл бұрын

@@themorrigan7224 Satan, walking in cackling and holding a portrait: Oh he's gonna haaaate this

@phangkuanhoong7967

Жыл бұрын

nah. i think it's a pretty misguided attempt to turn historical ghoulish people acceptable, and make an oppressive national myth acceptable. no amount of changing real people into characters is worth that. to me, it's just a step short of white-washing. and who cares what Jefferson thinks, he's dead.

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

all this discourse about Hamilton in general and we forget the most important thing that can bring us all together: it is probably making the founding fathers roll in their graves like rotisserie chickens

The entire interaction between Ursula and Alix is so weird when I really start to think about it. Like Alix completely drops her entire persona so fast, before she admits to any lies she just bends and folds. Because she was a very young person very scary of being doxxed, because these tumblr identities were really really important to her, so having them in jeopardy must have really crippled her ability to come back and defend herself with her usual snarky tumblr girl bullshit. It’s just SO weird to see her go from a character who’s hyper fixated on discourse and dialogue on identity politics, and then as soon as the veil of those identities comes under scrutiny, she just completely flops, either unable to understand the severity of her situation or purposefully playing dumb and making herself seem small and vulnerable and like “someone who didn’t know any better uwu” and honestly I feel like… that’s probably intentional. I think people like this are serial liars and don’t know who they are or what they actually stand for, so they’ll take whatever approach they think is going to get them the best outcome. And on that note, Ursula is honestly not that different in the sense that she claims continuously to be staunchly against doxxing on PRINCIPLE so for her to then turn around and doxx her…. So unnecessarily… I fail to see that as anything other than her initial private interactions with Alix all being very “reading from the tumblr script”, painting a picture of someone desperate and pinned against a wall with no other choice but to doxx this person. Like, she knew she was going to doxx Alix when she had enough information. She wanted to. She just said that she didn’t over and over again so that when she finally did, she would (theoretically) look like less of an asshole. I’ll be honest, her messages don’t read like she’s writing with the intention of posting the conversations publicly, so I don’t know if that was always the plan or if she even had a plan. But either way, she couldn’t at any point threaten to doxx Alix, lest Alix take a screen shot and use it against her. Basically, both these people are fucking weirdos and I think the overall weirdness of these interactions comes from those big obnoxious contrarian tumblr personalities clashing in the dumbest way possible, and weird and manipulative people who learn to use the language of their victims in order to blend in always makes for WEIRD content.

@violet7773

7 ай бұрын

I think Alix was 24 at the time. There was talk of her going to grad school, so she'd have to have been around that age. I think the confusion probably lies in "Israa" being 19 years old, a lot of people seem to think that Alix and Israa were the same age, but she lied about that as well. I agree with pretty much everything else you said, but I wouldn't call Alix a "very young person", especially when she was in a group chat with actual teenagers and possibly bullying them

@TheRaychenator

7 ай бұрын

thats also very possible, but seeing as how the lying spanned across multiple years, i would still say that she was young when she started this. it wouldnt surprise me if part of the whole scheme was to convince everyone that she was younger and therefore less culpable for her actions. it definitely wouldnt be the first time someone who's old enough to know better led a group of annoying teenagers on tumblr into bullying people who didn't agree with their ships and im sure it wont be the last. @@violet7773

I think Strange Aeons should be classified as an eldritch entity. She keeps exposing innocent mortals to horrifying knowledge that drains their sanity

@mattymerr701

4 ай бұрын

It's so horrifying that even death has died.

@Mephi_uwu

2 ай бұрын

No wonder shes so relatable

I can't believe that Alix kept going to the same school until graduation. If I got outed as having faked every single minority identity at once, to PEOPLE I SEE EVERY DAY. I would simply leave forever

@urbanarmory

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure 99% of her classmates wouldn't have any idea about any of this, but I get it- I would definitely consider getting out of here in case this all got out and the like

@emiliobustamante2401

Жыл бұрын

If I was her and got "outed" I wouldnt just leave school, I would leave the country and live as a hermit in Lappland

@SquiddyHiggenbottom

Жыл бұрын

I would simply pass away 🙃

@jlkjlkjkljklj9162

Жыл бұрын

For me it's the fact that she was in a SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP in university. Like girl, how do you even show your face.

@runeanonymous9760

Жыл бұрын

@@emiliobustamante2401not sure if it’s offensive to call Sapmi that, but don’t use the derivative for Sami, “lapp” is offensive. It’s not on the Wikipedia slurs list yet but it’s still not something you should say

If Alix just lied about being a trafficking survivor and HIV positive they probably never would have gotten caught, but they went for a BIG lie and it was too much for them

@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong

Жыл бұрын

some peoples parents clearly never taught them to lie. Being vague is literally rule #1. Modern liars are so unprofesional

@hiimcrazyfordrwho

Жыл бұрын

​@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong The internet allows for wild lies. No one can just ask your mom if it's true. People will fly too close to the sun.

@annawesometheflameingpikac3688

Жыл бұрын

@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong it's probably a bad thing my first thought with these "liar revealed" stories is "wow I would've been better at lying then them" but at least of I'm ever in police interrogation I'll keep my story straight

@hatimzeineddine8723

11 ай бұрын

the kind of person that would lie about these things can't stop themselves from lying about more and more things

@hozie6795

11 ай бұрын

@@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 PSA: If you're ever in police interrogation you should probably not be focusing on keeping your story straight or lying well and should instead be trying to get out of it ASAP by calling a lawyer and refusing to answer any further questions (assuming you are in a jurisdiction where you are allowed to do that). Even if you're innocent, talking to the cops is how false convictions happen.

This is a solid example of why the line is “listen to people of color” and not “never question what a person who calls themselves poc says”. Listening to poc means giving value to undervalued voices where you can, not just blindly accepting any old stranger on the internet. Also, this is deeply crazy and I feel less stable for watching this video, and I believe that a goblin may yet climb out of my phone.

@margaretgibbs6673

Күн бұрын

It sucks so bad that even genuinely very good norms that were put in place for a reason can and have been abused and misunderstood like this. "Listen to poc/women/victims etc" okay but which ones? Cause they don't all agree. Like at all. As most groups of humans don't. But it's a good thought, pushing back on how often they're dismissed as overreactive even when they have good points. But people started using these slogans as weapons not as tools to remind themselves and others to be more understanding generally and open their minds and do more research. Nothing good was gonna come from that shift. It's like people who think that being urged to read/watch more books and movies written by women/nonwhite people is something that's going to automatically make you more enlightened if you check enough boxes off the to do list and then they're shocked when they find a surprising diversity of thought and quality. What it should be, what it was meant to be, is just encouraging people to actually *think* for the first time about how many works by these authors they actually engage with and trying to broaden your horizons as a whole. Plus, its pushing back against the general trend with women and minorities HAVING no choice but to hear the pov of white male writers all the time, meanwhile the opposite level of engagement and respect is never or rarely granted (boys not liking Books for Girls meanwhile girls basically have to read Books for Men...or books that are considered universal or default being one example)

this entire scandal can best be summed up with "Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."

The fact that Ursula was chased off of the internet not for fully doxxing a teenager WHICH IS VERY MUCH MORE ILLEGAL THAN WHAT HIVLIVING DID, but for writing problematic fanfiction will never not be peak fandom tumblr to me tbh

@DoomCabbit

Жыл бұрын

p sure scamming people out of money is more illegal than doxxing actually

@rebeccamorris3290

Жыл бұрын

@@DoomCabbitIt definitely varies from state to state at least

@sunettas9738

Жыл бұрын

True, when I first heard the story on Eldena Doubleca5t's channel, I felt bad for them since their efforts to help were being dumped on because of their strange fanfiction... but then the doxxing came up and I was like okay nevermind 😶

@JacksonBockus

Жыл бұрын

@@sunettas9738Yeah I’m pretty sure the doxxing is why Minerva took down her video.

@asscracker7074

Жыл бұрын

Was izreel raised and lives in poor black neighbor hoods? Adopted and trained up in the same viewpoints, rights of passage and mentality? Otherwise isn't it just white guilt over stuff dead and buried decades ago only used by guilty white people and race baiters using both sides typically for financial gain(rarely power grabs) which just so happens to look like the possible motive behind the whole Hiv thing (attention confused for power) . As far as issues to discuss there's prison reform non racist (every side has people in prison family, family of friends, and basic human decency towards even the worst of the worst is something we as humans living howmany centuries after the Romans slaughtered each other in the colosseums for fun would want as character traits.

If Alix's profile was correct and she was 24 at the time of her being exposed... Idk, there's an extra layer of creepiness of this 22+ year old manipulating a bunch of teenagers. I feel like a lot of people missed that detail lol.

@giovanadantas9517

Жыл бұрын

yeah lots of people are saying that ursula doxxing alix was specially terrible bc she was a teen when that's... clearly not the case lol don't get me wrong doxxing in general is awful but alix was clearly not a teen

@alexandrafrench

Жыл бұрын

i kinda get the vibe that that was a lie, was she still living on campus at age 24? idrk how college works i’m australian lol also named alex so i’m so sorry on behalf of those with the same name

@alexandrafrench

Жыл бұрын

@@choccy_bagel dang that’s insane!!! i also experienced the majority of university through covid so i think my perception is HELLA warped

@cottontail5109

Жыл бұрын

@@choccy_bagel I dont think thats super common. Gap years are fairly normal. but most people out of high school do a 4 year bachelors degree. A 24 year living at college is not super crazy, but I would think uncommon.

@mothmanlol6263

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrafrenchin my British uni most undergrad first years range from 17-27 and there are (considerably less but some) other students who are much older adults referred to as mature students but they’re not usually active participants in the same societies and social circles, people’s degrees are usually 3-4 years and there are also masters students who have already done their undergraduate degree so there’s a good chance she could be 24 at university

once had a japanese girl in our discord server who only came on at certain hours and claimed to be sleeping the rest of the time. i pointed out that implied she was sleeping 20 hours a day and the other members informed me it was because of a heart condition or something. "she" ended up being some guy in ohio or whatever idk anything about him really. they were close to the other people in the server since they were from an older group. this was going on for *years*, one of the members was particularly close to this sick girl persona and felt really bad for her and ended up spending a lot of money on her over the years. he himself was mentally ill (all of us tbh) and not raking in a lot of cash as a night security guard. when this dude fessed up and got kicked out our server lost like 4 members, dude made up like 3 other people too 💀this was way before discord had that feature to let you swap between accounts easily so idk how the fuck he was keeping this up

@iwakeupandboomimarat

11 ай бұрын

maybe he had separate devices??? that would be a lot of work tho

@Calyaer

10 ай бұрын

​@@iwakeupandboomimarat as a recovered identity faker, using multiple discord tabs logged in with different emails in one browser breaks (iirc it responds as the one you've most recently logged in with, and shows both of them typing) but if you use different browsers (i.e, i was using chrome, firefox, the discord app, and probably internet explorer) then it works just fine i think i also used multiple incognito firefox windows, i don't remember if that worked or not tho oh and if he was on mobile, maybe he was using an instance copier or whatever they're called like Parallel Space

@firebuug

10 ай бұрын

this triggered my war flashbacks to someone who catfished a bunch of ppl i knew + me by lyingto be a sick french amputee, his caretaker, his gf, and (i think this persona was fake) a night security guard dude so like wouldnt it be insane if it was the same dude lol (probably not but i feel like he wouldnt be above catfishing as a sick japanese girl LOL)

@janjanbinks1710

7 ай бұрын

One time a guy on discord I was "friends" with pretend he's a queer Syrian teenager to relate to me, a queer Syrian teenager, but whenever I sent Arabic messages he responded in a clumsy formal Arabic that no native speaker will type in, got the area he was supposed to be living in wrong, didn't know that Syria had an Armenian minority, or that all major online retailers are blocked off Syria so he can't "order" shit from Amazon casually and didn't know that water and electricity are heavily rationed on a daily/hourly basis. It was just some bored American 4chan troll

ursula's insistence that nobody with israa's "backstory" would spend her time writing hamilton fanfiction isn't quite accurate. there are some fiction writers out there who have absolute bonkers backstories. sometimes you gotta channel all your experiences into something lighthearted or compelling, either as a coping mechanism or just a fun distraction. i've known trans polyam CSA victims who wrote youtuber fanfiction.

@janjanbinks1710

7 ай бұрын

I'm Syrian and I cope with the stress of living in this shithole post apocalyptic wasteland by shitposting and writing Star Wars fan fiction lmao

@autumnanurasys9461

7 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely. I have some disorders that are hell to live with but I love to write poetry and read ship fanfiction lmao Seeing people use the argument that "if you really had x thing you wouldn't do that" is so baffling to me lmao. Okay should I sit here until I die instead? Lemme read silly little fanfics.

@ichorrot5269

5 ай бұрын

super late reply to this thread but yeah i've known actual human trafficking survivors who Are very involved in fandom. i've also known people with stds who are pretty active in fandom. alix's story was very obviously fake, but not because trauma survivors just don't have hobbies lmao

My disgust for the actions Alix took aside, it's absolutely mind-boggling to me that she was in *college* while doing all this. I feel like this is the kind of thing someone should grow out of by the time they're 15. To continue doing it until your late teens/early twenties is absolutely wild to me, I can't even begin to wrap my head around the mentality behind it.

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

@@CindersSpot honestly yeah but i think a solid amount of this can be chalked up to immaturity. as OP said this is the kind of thing people do when they're 15 and stupid and i know people in their early 20s who have not quite grown out of the stupid-15-year-old phase yet. though mental illness probably helped here lol

@beek.4860

Жыл бұрын

@@CindersSpot oh yeah alix very very obviously had some underlying issues that needed help, but honestly you'd be surprised what people will do when they think they're anonymous and don't realize the potential consequences of their actions. it's a classic "web of lies gets too big to control and ends up controlling you" plot

@crowwithaknife1312

Жыл бұрын

literally how did they find the time to do this in college

@TwighlightLugia

Жыл бұрын

Sheltered rich white kid who doesn't know how the real world works syndrome

@Justice237

Жыл бұрын

According to one of Ursula’s posts, she started the whole charade when she was in her last couple years of high school, around 16-17, as this had been going on go at least a year or two before she was exposed, which was literally in her first semester of college

I think I'm a little too conditioned for horrific twists in these stories, because I genuinely expected the next part of the story to be that Ursula *was also Alix and "found herself out" so she could get out of this scott-free and continue online as a hero as Ursula* before they ended up doxxing her

@bubblegum1366

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist: Both of them are actually Toby.

@flippanties

Жыл бұрын

​@@bubblegum1366and also, somehow, Ms.Scribe

@feykingjulian

Жыл бұрын

omg now i really wish this was true

@error-try-again-later

Жыл бұрын

Genuinely in awe that this wasn't the case.

@kiwi_arms

3 ай бұрын

holy fuck i got that vibe too during their conversation, it all felt so SCRIPTED almost??

I used to be in a Hamilton Facebook page. I asked if a line in a song was meant to be a fat joke. I got absolutely crucified that LMM would never make a fat joke, that he was too wholesome. I said he didn’t, the character did. Someone said LMM would never write about something he didn’t support, like fat shaming. I mentioned in the same song he writes about stealing a horse and buggy and plays its off as a joke. Someone tried to argue back that making a bad fat joke was worse than basically stealing a car. That vehicle theft was a normal teenage milestone but a fat joke was absolutely unacceptable at any line and I was an awful person for even interpreting it that way. That’s when I left the fandom.

@L3mXn

Жыл бұрын

Do you remember what line? i havent listened to hamilton since my Hamitlon phase in 2017.

@annaparry4384

Жыл бұрын

@@L3mXn this is genuinely a shot in the dark but it could be "it's hard to have intercourse over four sets of corsets" from Aaron Burr Sir. in that song Mulligan also talks about stealing horses. It never occurred to me that it could be a fat joke but if that's the line I do see it. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong though!!

@MongerOfStrings8222

11 ай бұрын

@@annaparry4384 It's an immature sex joke, made by someone who is obviously very drunk and he gets immediately shut down after, so I don't think Lin actually wanted to be offensive.

@ellaisplotting

10 ай бұрын

@@annaparry4384 the 'four sets of corsets' (they would be stays in that time period but that doesn't flow I guess) is about having sex with four seperate women, not one thicc girl in four corsets for some reason. The fat shaming 'joke' is 'sit down, John, you fat motherfucker-' if I remember correctly- it's in the second half, most likely in one of the Cabinet Rap Battles, but I couldn't tell you which one off the top of my head.

@ladysuperherolove

9 ай бұрын

@@annaparry4384 I thought that meant he had sex with four women at the same time? Seemed in character. But there's also "sit down John you fat-"...that one's kinda blatant.

NOT THE ACE DISCOURSE....... as an ace person i literally lose years off my lifespan every time i remember this

as someone who was neck deep in the hamilton fandom in 2017, I somehow missed all of this by the skin of my teeth and I will never be grateful enough.

@snowy_owl

Жыл бұрын

same, i was heavily into the fandom from 2017-2018 and this all somehow flew under my radar completely

@annak9096

Жыл бұрын

same, i was watching this like how did i not hear about any of these people??

@peterevans6480

Жыл бұрын

same😭

@todosauce

Жыл бұрын

me fuckin too. im p sure i was saved by basically having my own bubble of friends to talk abt it and once the tumblr tag started going south i just unfollowed

@leonineKelter

Жыл бұрын

SAMEEE I think it's because I only got a tumblr after I moved into sanders sides, I spent most of my Hamilton days on wattpad. I do remember hearing of Quid Pro Quo and hivliving though,but I never interacted with it directly thank GOD

HIV living is one of my favourite niche internet scandals and whenever I try to talk to people about this they think I’m insane. Not even a Hamilton or Theatre girly

@UltraCheesecakeFace

11 ай бұрын

I understand. I once went on a whole Andy Thanfiction deep dive and became permanently incapable of being normal about him. He created at least 3 separate cults. Faked his death at least 3 times. Committed identity fraud. Created a fake charity and got banned from soliciting money in the state of Oregon. Created a convention he did not deliver on which put a friend of his $15,000 in debt and led to LoTR cast members getting briefly stranded in LA during the filming of one of the movies. Continually created new fake personas with ridiculous fake histories. And wrote multiple popular fanfictions in different fandoms under these false identities. What a guy.

Tumblr drama is so fascinating to me because it always goes down exactly like a “Big Lie” episode on a children’s TV show.

I have a core memory of finding out about this drama while drunk as a skunk at a Halloween party in college

My first exposure to this story was a "how well do you know tumblr culture" style quiz, where one of the questions was "Which of these did tumblr user hivliving claim to be? Select all that apply:" followed by this astronomically long list of names, ages, races, nationalities, sexualities, relationship statuses etc. I was Afraid™️...

@Xx_Oleander_xX

Жыл бұрын

do you have the link i NEED to see this quiz lmao

@Letcharlieplay2545

Жыл бұрын

Plz link commenter!!

@yoisakikanade_

Жыл бұрын

link

@genericname2747

9 ай бұрын

That's a cognitohazard

@gogoldeeznutz

2 ай бұрын

LINK LINK LINK!!!

Okay, I'm kind of in the sims 4 community on Tumblr, and the same shit happens this year! There was this person who portrayed themself as a fat genderqueer jewish native american with schizophrenia, and they would be in every discourse possible, and it was revealed that they were actually a white usamerican woman (it's always them). I had one interaction with her before it was revealed, and it was a wild ride ("They" were the authority on mental illness and health in the whole world because "they have" schizophrenia, and it's the most stigmatized mental health, and so I couldn't have been stigmatized for "simply" having severe anxiety. I was banned from the discord server for disagreeing with her about my own experience with my mental health)

@lemonysucksatlife

Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭 What a ride omg

@Nebulousart

Жыл бұрын

i have a feeling i know who it was despite not being on simblr for a while. that place has always been weird and cliquey. was their username oak-something?

@thegrimharvest

Жыл бұрын

Fat, genderqueer, Jewish, native American, with schizophrenia...who argues with you that they're the only authority on anything because of their identity? I'm sorry you got involved with the nonsense...but I cannot read that list of characteristics and behaviors without it sounding like something I would write as a strawman to go trolling with.

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

@@thegrimharvest On the other hand, this is the problem one of the HIVLiving critics pointed out as shown in the video. There are, scientifically speaking, a lot of human beings. Someone fitting at least most of the characteristics you described probably exists. One of the most insidious things about HIVLiving and similar internet liars is that they make those real identities and real experiences sound fake to us.

@bea6777

Жыл бұрын

Omg you should message strange with the details for a video

You know when a tumblrite drops the "Honey." and isn't referring to bees that something *bad* is happening.

there was a piece of pink fuzz from my sewing on my screen but i thought it was a shrimp emoji cuz it was in a really convenient place that kept getting overlayed right over the text boxes and i just thought that everybody in this story was using an abnormal amount of shrimp emojis the whole time

@inkynewt

25 күн бұрын

You're living in a superior timeline

@runeisacringelord

17 күн бұрын

this is the best comment on this video

@maddieb.4282

14 күн бұрын

Why can’t all KZread comments be like this

"participated in ace discourse" I knew at that point shit was gonna go wild

Seeing Ursula snap and doxx Alix was like seeing your favorite character turn evil and commit the worst atrocities, like Cmon I was rooting for you! You are the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the toxic, not join them!

@urbanarmory

Жыл бұрын

I dunno, I can get the rage for sure...

@Lolo50000

Жыл бұрын

I don't think Ursula ever snapped. I think that was always their intention.

@Sylocat

Жыл бұрын

In hindsight, Ursula came off as pretty creepy in that convo even before the doxxing.

@Lolo50000

Жыл бұрын

@@Sylocat the fucking Edward 'say it out loud' moment. That was personal.

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

@@urbanarmory Oh of course the rage is understandable, but the action was horrible nonetheless

This is definitely one of those "everyone involved is a loser" kind of situations

As someone who's survived trafficking, most trauma survivors don't post extensively about it online, ESPECIALLY IF THOSE WHO TRAFFICKED YOU COULD POSSIBLY FIND YOU FROM IT. WTFFF.

Alix was in the wrong and there’s no doubt about that, but saying you’re not going to dox someone because it’s a crime and reassuring them repeatedly that their identity is safe and then proceeding to dox that person anyway just makes me really uncomfortable with portraying Ursula as if they’re in the right. Exposing Alix WAS something that had to be done as their lies obviously hurt people but they really didn’t have to commit a crime to do that.

@CloutKamui

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Also the fact that Ursula doxxed Alix because she deleted the blog feels crazy. I would rather the blog be deleted than continue to live in tags with the idea that the posts are still valid.

@whatcanidooo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah honestly it felt like she was lowkey blackmailing her. They both seem awful and out for blood

@arsena5209

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what Alix did was horrible and so was what Ursula did, it just sounds like the first one wanted pity and to justify their awful fanfic/s as well as their opinions on some serious topics and the second felt all high and mighty and wanted to have the moral high ground over the first person despite themselves also being a terrible person. We can only hope they both have since learned from their mistakes, became better people and are doing well now despite all the terrible things they did some years ago, since it's difficult to prove whether that has happened or not.

@Wolfeur

Жыл бұрын

To play the Devil's advocate, I suppose Ursula was sincere but got fed up with Alix's trying to weasel her way out of consequences and responsibilities. She kept lying and lying, and deflecting, and dodging, and at some point Ursula considered that the only way for her to actually deal with her shit was for her to be publicly unmasked. Doesn't make it legal, doesn't make it moral, but I do think it can be considered mitigating circumstance.

@conor9966

Жыл бұрын

​@@Wolfeur​Ursula asked for it to be sent from alix's uni email so she could get personally identifying info. It was calculated. She likely was always going to If you want to play devils advocate sure, but Ursulas conversation with Alix shows they were given final say on drafting the confession and that Alix was complying, plus that prior to Doxxing Ursula had the evidence of what Alix did that she could have posted herself to "bring out the truth" along with her conversation with personal info removed. Ursula may have said she didn't want to make callouts but well she said the same thing about doxxing but she was apparently able to change her mind on that one. Ursula didn't need to doxx to achieve what she was claiming to do and seems takes a vindictive glee in it after the fact so a devils advocate should probably take a slightly different angle

incredibly ready to watch this considering disability twitter had a similarly insane situation happen just recently, where it came out a white able-bodied woman had been pretending to be a black deaf amputee wheelchair user, including using photos of a person they knew who they claimed was their wife. she was not her wife, just a random person she knew irl. deleted everything and left us all with whiplash

@breadenthusiast2590

Жыл бұрын

omg something similar recently happened on the german side of twitter... someone lied about being a doctor who was also a wheelchair user and foster mom to a random (also disabled) teen girl she met at a lake years ago. what is up with people honestly??

@TayDoesStuff

Жыл бұрын

Wait holy shit what

@bubblegum1366

Жыл бұрын

Why is it that when people do this they always give themselves like, the MAXIMUM number of disabilities/minority statuses??? Like if they just picked one or two people would probably be so much less suspicious of them.

@thegrimharvest

Жыл бұрын

​@@bubblegum1366Maximum clout and maximum greed, maximum victim identity shield. They're bad liars and can't help but go overboard with their lies. Also because ironically, people will defend them because of the sheer absurdity of their claims, i.e. "it must be true, who would/could make something like that up?"

@robinsea

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of something that happened on tiktok a while ago, where someone who claimed to have Huntington's and early onset dementia (along with potentially other things, it was a while ago so I don't remember all the details) claimed that some people she had hosted in an air BnB in her house were suing her for being traumatized by the presence of medical equipment, so she was trying to raise money for legal fees. When it all (thankfully pretty quickly) came out that she was lying about it all, she claimed to be her own twin sister to apologize on her behalf while also sticking to the claims?? It was a mess Edit: found a video talking about the situation kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIh3k6ytipDTgrA.html

I truly can't think of anything more hellish than being in a group chat with teenage Hamilton fans. Alix deserves the insanity plea.

Digital blackface for clout is disgusting

Hamilton fandom is a fandom around an inaccurate RPF. Of course it would be like this. Good luck on your lung surgery.

Men making eye contact = soulmates

@-satanicpanic-

Жыл бұрын

Holy fuck... I have A LOT of soulmates

@samlewis6487

Жыл бұрын

True, as a gay I can confirm

@ClownNikolaii

Жыл бұрын

This is true!

@FlaminTubbyToast

Жыл бұрын

Prolonged eye contact..?

@WTFisTingispingis

Жыл бұрын

true

the fact that people even thought somebody with such a complex cocktail of identities and such extensive trauma and lore would just casually be on tumblr writing hamilton fan fiction 😭😭😭

@mikomiko.

10 ай бұрын

i mean, i've never been something as severe as being a trafficking victim, but I've gone thru Some Shit and i run a tumblr fandom blog 😭 i feel like the most unbelievable part was the fact she lived in india and she was so young. if she had pretended to be american and a bit older, i wouldn't have bat an eye. people who experience that much often use things like fandom to cope

Isnt it CRAZY THO that Ursula was like btw doxxing is illegal and i would never do it THEN DOXXED ALIX AND SENT TRANSCRIPTS TO ALIX'S MOTHER???

as someone who went through a very long hamilton phase, i will say that thomas jefferson miku binder honestly felt not that far off from the musical. some of the songs slap, but i can’t say that i love its take on history now that im older and understand more. it did get me into musical theatre which saved my life though, so it will always have a special place in my heart.

@jane_wants_to_feel

Жыл бұрын

yes. hamilton helped introduce me to other historical fiction musicals (great comet, les mis, falsettos) so i love it for that, but hamilton is. objectively strange.

@samlewis6487

Жыл бұрын

The best thing about Hamilton is that it got me to watch better musicals

@RLanceHunter

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Hamilton’s take on US history was an interesting subversion, but that subversion only really worked if you already knew the actual history. When the musical got popular with a younger crowd who had maybe taken a single high school US history class; that audience wasn’t well-served by the way the show assumes you recognize why all of its character depictions are so subversive. (Also, LMM’s crusty-ass flows would get him laughed out of any cypher happening after 1983,)

@TheElf_Online

Жыл бұрын

@@RLanceHunterI think that’s giving the american education system too much credit. I graduated without managing to take a single US history class of any sort (im not totally ignorant, but all my US history knowledge is from independent study).

@RLanceHunter

Жыл бұрын

@@TheElf_Online That is a good point. It just seems from my experience that the people who initially really liked Hamilton and then grew disillusioned with it tended to be folks who didn’t know much of the actual history, and only learned it later (souring their view of the show). That’s probably also why the biggest waves of both Hamilton enthusiasm and Hamilton backlash came from younger people.

I am absolutely loving this series of “Internet Drama for People who have never even seen grass” videos as someone who falls into that category

1) the Internet was a fucking mistake. 2) Lin Manuel Miranda needs to pay for his crimes, and the fact that he never will is truly a travesty.

@treechan1756

4 ай бұрын

Give him the chair

@seastar-qw2qg

3 ай бұрын

​@@treechan1756im assuming ure being sarcastic